You guys lost me with all this Jarvis Cocker bizness - had to Google him to find out what was the story. He seems an idiot too - just not on the scale of Kanye. | |
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Beck is not better than Beyonce and Beyonce is not better than Beck. Kanye and Jarvis are either both savages or not. One cant be a hero and the other a villan in the same situation. Why is Jarvis behaviour justified but Kanye's unacceptable?
. Not stanning for anyone because there is surely a Kanye & Beck collabo on the way to make corporate and middle america happy. “It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet. | |
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That's all opinion...some prefer Beck to Beyonce, or vice versa. The Grammy voters were expressing their opinion , and Beck came out on top, like it or not
Not to dis Beyonce, but comparing her to Beck (or Prince, for that matter) is like comparing a "Transformers" or "X-Men" film to "The Godfather" or "Annie Hall" or "Schindler's List" #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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After the Jarvis Cocker incident he was generally praised and his band saw a rise in popularity as people thought it was funny, the public perception was that he was a hero and the incident worked in his favor. In the same situation Kanye is the villan and Taylor Swift and now likely Beck saw a rise in sales as the public perception is that they were victims. . Beyonce and Kanye are not the best example of black artists who dont recieve due credit from the system but just as offensively they have been tokenized by the system to be paraded and fool black people into believing that racism is dead.
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6ynth God@DrewsThatDude
Kanye West told a nigga who plays like 14 instruments that he needs to respect the artistry of a woman who needs 4 writers for one song.
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^^^ That ain't right, but it's damn funny. Op-Ed: Why Beck Was the Wrong Target for Kanye West's Grammy RantBy Chris Willman | February 09, 2015 4:00 PM EST http://www.billboard.com/articles/6465739/kanye-west-beck-grammys-rant
For about an hour Sunday night, Kanye West seemed to have won his way back into America's good graces, thanks to the mistaken belief that he'd developed the ability to take the piss out of himself. When viewers saw him jump on stage at the Grammys as if to interrupt Beck's big album of the year moment, only to smile and make a "Nah, never mind" gesture and go back to his seat, it was clear -- wrongly clear! -- that he was making a self-deprecatory gag about how much he'd matured since he bum-rushed Taylor Swift at the 2009 VMAs. Who knew? Maybe President Obama would even rescind his "jackass" verdict. But it's a good thing West hadn't gotten around to cashing all our good-will checks, because then he had to blow it all by going on E! an hour later and explaining that he really had wanted to ruin Beck's moment. Perhaps having been loosened up by a few drinks at the afterparty, or perhaps just drunk on hubris -- certainly not on love -- he told the assembled interviewers: "Beck needs to respect artistry and he should have given his award to Beyonce. and at this point, we tired of it." (The E! hosts gamely nodded, as if to agree that Beck's win was an outrage, although to be fair, they were probably suffering from show-biz concussions at the end of a long day.) "Because what happens is when you keep on diminishing art and not respecting the craft and smacking people in the face after they deliver monumental feats of music, you're disrespectful to inspiration." Of the Grammys, he said, "We not playing with them no more." And finally, in the third-person: "Y'all know what it meant when 'Ye walked on the stage." We all know what it means: that he's more dedicated than ever to working toward having his obituary list "national punchline" first, "great artist" second. The maxim "punch up, not down" seems to never have occurred to West. The stats say a lot: Beyonce has been nominated for a Grammy 54 times, and the three trophies she picked up Sunday put her tally of wins at 20. West himself is the eighth most-awarded Grammy winner of all time, having picked up a statuette 21 times, out of 53 nominations. Which puts him in quite a place to pick on that Grammy hoarder Beck, who was picking up his fourth and fifth trophies this year, after 16 nominations. The "Beck always wins, dammit" meme exists purely in West's head -- as does the bizarre idea that a critically heralded, weak-selling alt-rock guy triumphing over Beyonce clearly means the Grammys are a commercial popularity contest with no interest in "art." But picking on the underdog is a wacky habit that goes back even farther back than West's attempt to throw cold water on Swift (who, at that time, it may be hard to remember now, was more unproven ingénue than the steel rose we've come to know her as). When he was bullying the Fearless chick, West actually had some supporters, because even a lot of rock & rollers could get behind putting a country-pop singer in her place. But West really put his $245 Nike Air Yeezy 2 signature sneaker in his mouth when he went after Beck, who's paid his dues for over two decades and who literally no one in the world doesn't like (except maybe a half-dozen rabid anti-Scientologists). Beck winning album of the year for the extremely "artistic" Morning Phase comes after he was nominated but missed with the landmark Odelay in 1997 and again with Midnite Vultures in 2001. His triumph this year has been likened to Martin Scorsese finally getting his best director due at the Oscars with The Departed. That crime thriller may not have been the seminal or most important work, but it was quality stuff, and we did not see Judi Dench jumping on stage or having an E! fit because Clint Eastwood was robbed (although we wish we had). In the entire history of awards-dom, at least outside the worlds of professional wrestling or porn, there has never been a spoiler quite as dedicated as West. The president has yet to weigh in, but West managed to make himself the talk of the morning talkers. "Why take away someone's moment?" asked the conscience of a nation, Al Roker. "And who are you to say that that Beck's album -- who, by the way, I believe is recognized as a very artistic fellow. Hello!" Just in case West thought he'd get support from a single African-American Today host, Tamron Hall added, "The word that bugged me in that rant was, [Beck] needs to 'respect.' No, you need to respect Beck!" Back to Al: "Respect other people. Shut up and sit down and stop it. You've got a beautiful wife, a gorgeous child, a great career. Shut up and stop!" Kanye, you don't always need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, but sometimes it helps. Perhaps there are some subtleties here that West might have gotten to in a more sober moment. Is there genre bias at work in the Grammys' top categories? Only one real hip-hop record has ever won album of the year: OutKast's Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, back in 2004. When you look at Beyonce's or West's mammoth number of nominations over the years, it is perhaps startling to see that most of them have been in the R&B or rap categories, which you could consider a form of segregation. But West has been nominated for album of the year twice (albeit no more recently than 2006), and Beyonce did win song of the year for "Single Ladies," so it's not that either of them has been completely ignored in the all-genre categories on their way to having dozens of Grammys each. There is room to have a discussion about how genre or even race is represented in the dispersal of awards -- but that is not the discussion West seemed eager to start. What the national conversation is about, instead, is West slapping down one of the most revered artists of the industry. He may not have just jumped the shark, he jumped a whole Sharknado -- and even a future photo-op hug with Beck, like the one he shared with Swift last night, may not be enough to restore his reputation as a half-serious person. Our advice? West should record a meta-cover of "Loser" as fast as possible -- lest he effectively be singing "Soy un perdedor" way longer than one credible career can contain.
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d/p [Edited 2/10/15 23:33pm] “It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet. | |
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Hol up, thats what we have been saying. Do we need Billboard or some other mainstream culturally approved voices to co-sign that it is ok to call out racism before we acknowledge it? "We have a long way to go"
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. She won't because her ego believes that shit too! Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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Why is race being brought into this discussion when Kanye said nothing of race but only of "respecting artistry"? Does race need to be brought into every single thing ever? Is everything that comes out of Kanye's mouth correct? . There's a time when everyone says something stupid. This is Kanye's time (perhaps not his first). . He said some fluff about respecting artistry and Beyonce's "monumental feats of music". This was some of the most incredulous shit I've ever heard. The whole situation, with who he is, who she is and who Beck is, was just really really really really badly thought out on his part. In fact, if the reverse happened and Beyonce won and Beck lost, he'd have a much better case for saying Beck deserved to win for his artistry (of producing, writing and performing the whole thing) and Beyonce doesn't deserve it because of the huge team that she needed to come up with her (IMO) pile of shit. . If he really meant to say something about race, then he completely forgot to include that part in his ridiculous comments after the awards. . There are thousands upon thousands of musicians worldwide who would kill to be in either Beyonce or Kanye's supposedly oppressed position in the music industry, of being multi platinum, multi grammy award winning, multi millionaire recording artists, set up to be able to do whatever they wish with their long lives ahead of them. . Respect artistry LAUGHABLE. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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I have no idea what I'm talking about. [Edited 2/11/15 5:05am] | |
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That's not what he meant by that.
Translation: "Everybody doesn't listen to Beyonce." And he's right. | |
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John Legend on Tuesday clarified an earlier comment he made to Us Weekly regarding Kanye West's Grammys interruption and the rapper's criticism of Beck.
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Like I said, I doubt Kanye was talking about racism at all. He's just mad Beyonce didn't win, period. He was not making a political statement so I don't know why you're saying he was. Besides Kanye can't sit there and criticize racist structures while telling White people they can use Black racial slurs and make a mockey of himself wearing Confederate Flags. Kanye is far gone now and just does things to get acceptance and approval from White folks.
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While I am not a fan of the Grammys. how are they "racist" ? Numerous Black artists have won the top prizes over the years. Yes, the Grammy voters are a conservative bunch, and probably are not that into to hip-hop, but then again Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones and the Who and the Clash and Elvis Presley and Elvis Costello never won any of the top awards either. [Edited 2/11/15 8:36am] #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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I think people are remebering Kanye's comment from last year that he has never won a Grammy against a White artist (which isn't true, since he beat out Eminem and the Beastie Boys- unless he considers them "wiggas" LOL). This added to the fact that his compalints were about White artists (Beck and T Swift) winning over Beyonce, and it makes you wonder if race is not at least a FACTOR in his rants #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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What Kanye is now saying about the Beck/Grammy incident today:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kanye-west-recants-post-grammys-772498
Nothing like a good ol backlash to get a stupid celebrity to backpedal like mad after the fact MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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I know Black artists have won awards, but just because the Grammys don't completely shun Black artists doesn't mean there aren't racist elements to the Grammys. For instance, Eminem has won Best Rap Album 6 times, more than any Black rapper for the 20 years it's been a category. On Black award shows that's not going to happen. It's the same thing with "soul" singers like Adele, Sam Smith, Amy Winehouse, and while I like those artists, when is the last time a Black soul singer has been rewarded like them and not just in the "Black" categories? But anywho, I don't cry about it because I know who the Grammys are primarily meant for. | |
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If Eminem made the year's best rap album, and he DIDN'T win at, say, the BET or NAACP Awards, isn't that a form of racism too ?
Many of the Grammy voters are older, and they know what is very popular. Whether you like it or not , Em and Amy Winehouse and Adele were extremely popular , with huge hits that crossed over a lot of formats. That's what matters. Hey- Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground were highly influential, and they never won a Grammy either. The Grammys are about Popular Art, with the emphasis on both words #SOCIETYDEFINESU | |
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Well I mean Eminem has won awards at Black award shows, so I don't think they wouldn't award him if they thought he had the best rap album. The thing is Eminem isn't going to dominate a whole caterogry like he does at the Grammys, at a Black award show. It doesn't really make sense to me that he dominates a genre that's a predominitely "Black" one. Eminem could make his shittiest album ever and still win Best Rap at the Grammys.
And yeah I know the Grammys are about popularity mainly, that's another reason why I don't really care. But isn't it interesting that those White artists that sing "Black" music are more popular than the Black people that sing the same thing? I guess there's no novelty when Black people do it lol. | |
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Kanye's act is tired. He should concentrate on continuing to help rap evolve. I honestly never heard of Beck before the Grammys or this Shirley Manson. As for Brandon Browner concentrate on football and keeping yourself drug free. He didn't get to participate in Seattle's 2013-2014 postseason Super Bowl run because of substance abuse. Don't laugh at my funk
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John Legend is a humble dude & a CLASS ACT. I remember, I met him right after Kanye's Mother died. Kanye hasn't been the same since. will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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if a black artist won ...whoever it was ...he wouldnt have done that shit | |
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I think Kanye should just stay away from awards shows.He keeps going on these shows, making a total jackass of himself.Stay at home with Kim!!
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People are still buzzing about Kanye West's reaction to Beck beating out Beyonce for Album of the Year during Sunday's Grammy Awards. Now, 50 Cent has weighed in. [Edited 2/11/15 16:55pm] | |
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