TheGoldStandard said:

Oh fuck me.

Get crazy with the cheez whiz y'all!

Beckyonce - Single Loser ...Beck On Itz

Full title is Beckyonce - Single Loser (Put a Beck On it)

SmiggyG said:

Kudos to Manson, 50 Cent, and John Legend!

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Reading some of the comments here it's no wonder we have race issues in this world. Kanye's bullshit act gets defended because the Grammy's are racist? Kanye being called a racist because he threw a fit because a white boy won? Come on seriously? Why is everything made out to be all about race?

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These damn Grammy's sparked more racial bullshit this year. Now say the tables were turned and Beck did what Kanye did and thought Perry or Swift deserved the award. I can guarantee Beck would have been called a racist. Even Prince's comment on Black Lives Matter has people gushing. Once again have a white artist say White Lives Matter and just watch the world go berserk. That does not make sense to me. Don't all lives matter? However I get why it was said and rightfully so. Probably why it had such an impact. I was angered by the incidents in NY and Ferguson also. I'm tired of the police and their jackboot mentality. Some of them are out of control and should be locked up themselves. Yet did all the looting and burning bring justice? No it just made a bad situation worse. That's really what I'm getting at here. We have enough racial tensions in this country yet people want to make winning or not winning an award a race issue. To me music has no boundaries and it's something that brings people together from all races and walks of life. Now they want to ruin that too?

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I don't give a fuck what people think anymore because I'm so sick of the race bait shit. Say this, you are a racist. Do that, you are a racist. Oh and if you are white you are most definitely a racist. Right? Give me a fucking break! Sure most will label me as a racist just for this post. Well too bad, I'm NOT RACIST! I judge a person based on their actions and deeds in life period! I don't give a shit what color your skin is. Kanye's actions make him look like an asshole period. I don't care if he's green or purple. Hell I hate our president because of his policies yet I get called a racist because he's black. So why are blacks never called racists? Because they're not? Bullshit! It takes 2 to tango baby!

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Makes me sick we will never be as one because people love to be manipulated and turned against each other because of the color of their skin. White and black both! Divide and conquer is the game it's working well here in the USA. Playing right into their hands. I guess that's why I don't let race influence me. I don't like being manipulated and played.

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You TOTALLY miss the point of that statement. Have you ever been racially profiled by a cop before? Not because you did something bad. But simply because of the COLOR of your skin.

hausofmoi7 said:

Are u saying that art has more merit if it is produced solitarily?

I have enjoyed the works of artists who work in groups and well as those who prefer to work alone.

Kanye is a hip hop artist, the culture has always supported and promoted a collective creative process.

It's that collective element and the coming together of different ideas and perspectives into one finished piece that gives hip hop its unique flavour.

I'm commenting on his ignorant vision of an artist not respecting "Artistry"...
The difference I'm pointing out is that Beck creates a product from scratch whereas Kanye West and Beyonce are created products...
How can they be taken seriously when the art is created for them by numerous writers, producers and the use of samples of existing art when they only provide quite average input that's not even worthy of recognition?
They (especially Kanye West) claim, demand and get recognition for artistry created by other artists...

Neversin.

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JustErin said:

nd33 said:

True, but Mr McDonald is obviously referring to Kanye's comment criticizing Beck's "artistry" and supposed lack of it. Artistry implies crafting, and dedicating ones time and effort towards mastering their craft. It is not easy to become a competent singer, let alone a competent singer, player of more than a dozen other instruments, songwriter producer. That shit is epically HARD and takes a lot of patience.

I understand fully what he was saying and I agree that Kanye should be criticized for saying what he said because it simply doesn't make any sense. But Michael's then dismissal of Kanye's genre or method of creating is what I take issue with. No matter what some may think, creating music - however that may be done, is still an art, and an art that can be mastered through time and effort. Kanye takes his craft very seriously and although he may be regarded as a total douchebag, he is also regarded as a brilliant artist by many of the types of people you described - the amazing singers, the songwriters, the multi instrumentalists...including Beck.

You're right.

As a musician and engineer, there is a brave new world in this contemporary era of music that allows us to create good music with ease. We have this fight amongst ourselves as musos, samples vs instruments. However, I'm here to tell you most producers use both, including Beck, who knows his way around a sampler, and has several records where he has sampled music. I bet you thats something McDonald, probably did not know about.

In the Muso World, theres really no difference to sampling and instruments.

They're just tools you use to get to the next step.

I forgive McDonalds ignorance though, cause he's just showing his age. Plus I'm pretty sure, Kanye can at least work his way around a Keyboard.

But I can't protect Kanye, cause yes he is an artist, but his self indulgence is over shadowing that. He would much rather be famous, than be an artist. So he needs to heed his own advice and respect artistry, respect his own artistry. Cause he may have 21 Grammys, but even thats not enough to cushion a falling star. Kanye really shouldve known better. Beck is pretty respected, even in the hip hop world (amongst hip hop musicians).

TommorowNeverKnows said:

JustErin said:

nd33 said: I understand fully what he was saying and I agree that Kanye should be criticized for saying what he said because it simply doesn't make any sense. But Michael's then dismissal of Kanye's genre or method of creating is what I take issue with. No matter what some may think, creating music - however that may be done, is still an art, and an art that can be mastered through time and effort. Kanye takes his craft very seriously and although he may be regarded as a total douchebag, he is also regarded as a brilliant artist by many of the types of people you described - the amazing singers, the songwriters, the multi instrumentalists...including Beck.

You're right.

As a musician and engineer, there is a brave new world in this contemporary era of music that allows us to create good music with ease. We have this fight amongst ourselves as musos, samples vs instruments. However, I'm here to tell you most producers use both, including Beck, who knows his way around a sampler, and has several records where he has sampled music. I bet you thats something McDonald, probably did not know about.

In the Muso World, theres really no difference to sampling and instruments.

They're just tools you use to get to the next step.

I forgive McDonalds ignorance though, cause he's just showing his age. Plus I'm pretty sure, Kanye can at least work his way around a Keyboard.

But I can't protect Kanye, cause yes he is an artist, but his self indulgence is over shadowing that. He would much rather be famous, than be an artist. So he needs to heed his own advice and respect artistry, respect his own artistry. Cause he may have 21 Grammys, but even thats not enough to cushion a falling star. Kanye really shouldve known better. Beck is pretty respected, even in the hip hop world (amongst hip hop musicians).

Kanye really should have known better, but I do not believe he will not falter much because of this. He will still be respected in the community for his work regardless of his asshole behaviour. Much like Beck; his work is widely respected in the community even though he is known to be a Scientologist weirdo.

phunkdaddy said:

TheGoldStandard said:

The comments on Complex tho! This is a sad little microcosm of the current state of the race struggle

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One more sidebar for Phunkdaddy, Shirley Manson and Garbage were formed by prolific producer Butch Vig as an artistic vision of sorts blending the grunge/rock sound with early elements of what is now called EDM. Some of their stuff sounds really dated now but they have a few really stellar songs.

I actually listened to 2 of the Beck songs posted here. One was cool another I found not so cool. Haven't taken the time to listen to Garbage. The way you described them sounds similar to No Doubt.

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Funny you mention ND as Gwen and Shirley are great friends, I believe they've toured together a few times. If you get a sec on the Beck tip check out Wish Coin, Devil's Haircut and New Pollution. Diplo made a cool remix of Wish Coin.

Someone put a huge ''BECK'' sign in a window overlooking Kanye's NYC concert last night.

hausofmoi7 said:

I wasn't aware that the award was for "Artists who can play the most instruments." I thought it was simply called "ALBUM OF THE YEAR." Whether it took a team of producers, writers, engineers, sound mixers, etc., etc. is irrelevent. Some 90s refugee doesn't get default points because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps or whatever the hell he did.

But congrats to Beck for coming out of near obscurity and nabbing an award for a phantom album that damn near no one heard or even knew existed before Grammy night. Wonder how much of a sales spike he saw after. I imagine anything probably would have been significant boost from the week before.

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Qazz said:

I wasn't aware that the award was for "Artists who can play the most instruments." I thought it was simply called "ALBUM OF THE YEAR." Whether it took a team of producers, writers, engineers, sound mixers, etc., etc. is irrelevent. Some 90s refugee doesn't get default points because he may have created an album with a banjo, off-rhythm finger snaps or whatever the hell he did.

But congrats to Beck for coming out of near obscurity and nabbing an award with a phantom album that damn near no one heard or even knew existed before Grammy night. Wonder how much of a sales spike he saw. I imagine anything would have been significant boost from the week before.

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Is it always only about sales with you Beyonce stans?

People are only mentioning Beck's ability to play multiple instruments and his songwriting because of Kanye's dumbass quote about respecting artistry. Duh, you don't have to be a multi-instrumentalist to win AOTY. Kanye's the one coming in with the snobbery in the first place.

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Qazz said:

I wasn't aware that the award was for "Artists who can play the most instruments." I thought it was simply called "ALBUM OF THE YEAR." Whether it took a team of producers, writers, engineers, sound mixers, etc., etc. is irrelevent. Some 90s refugee doesn't get default points because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps or whatever the hell he did.

But congrats to Beck for coming out of near obscurity and nabbing an award for a phantom album that damn near no one heard or even knew existed before Grammy night. Wonder how much of a sales spike he saw after. I imagine anything probably would have been significant boost from the week before.

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Sour grapes.

Fuck kanye & beyonce.

Twice

Qazz said:

I wasn't aware that the award was for "Artists who can play the most instruments." I thought it was simply called "ALBUM OF THE YEAR." Whether it took a team of producers, writers, engineers, sound mixers, etc., etc. is irrelevent. Some 90s refugee doesn't get default points because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps or whatever the hell he did.

But congrats to Beck for coming out of near obscurity and nabbing an award for a phantom album that damn near no one heard or even knew existed before Grammy night. Wonder how much of a sales spike he saw after. I imagine anything probably would have been significant boost from the week before.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong, and you sound like nothing but a misinformed hater. Beck is regularly discussed in the music press, both in print and online, mainstream, indie and underground.

That 90s refuge was nominated for album of the year in 2001, had FIVE albums nominated for Best Alternative Album between 2000 and 2009 (amonst other nominations and wins), and has sold 3.5 million albums since 2000.

He's produced records for Charlotte Gainsbourg, Thurston Moore and Stephen Malkmus (amongst others).

In 2009, using the professional studio built at his house he founded the Record Club, where a group of musicians would get together and cover (re-interprate and re-record) an entire album and post videos of the work on YouTube.

Since 2000 he has collaborated with Air, Marianne Faithful, Pear Jam, Macy Gray, Pink, Sia, Jamie Lidell, Tobacco, The Lonely Island and Phillip Glass (amongst others).

In 2013 he released Song Reader, an albums worth of songs written specifically for and released as sheet music. Even though he never recorded any of the songs himself, it still made year end "Best Of" lists. The songs were in turn recorded by HUNDREDS of artists, famous and unknown, and uploaded to YouTube and the Song Reader website.

He's also a painter and visual artist.

Lastly, the album that won this year is really fucking good. You not being aware of that fact doesn't change it.

He has never ventured anywhere near obscurity. Much like Kanye, your ignorant tirade says far more about you than it does Beck. Beck is in fact the exact opposite of what Kanye TRIED to portray him as, which is no doubt why he backtracked on his statement about "respecting artistry" with a quickness (even if he only did so after people close to him were like, "uhh, no dude, not really", which is very much what I suspect happened).

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Also, "because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps"... right, exactly like Kanye does. The difference is Beck writes and/or plays all those parts. Kanye samples them or gets other people to create them for him. Don't get it twisted, I enjoy Kanye's music, but your point you were trying to make here actually creates a STRONGER justification for Beck winning Album of the Year.

Cerebus said:

Qazz said:

I wasn't aware that the award was for "Artists who can play the most instruments." I thought it was simply called "ALBUM OF THE YEAR." Whether it took a team of producers, writers, engineers, sound mixers, etc., etc. is irrelevent. Some 90s refugee doesn't get default points because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps or whatever the hell he did.

But congrats to Beck for coming out of near obscurity and nabbing an award for a phantom album that damn near no one heard or even knew existed before Grammy night. Wonder how much of a sales spike he saw after. I imagine anything probably would have been significant boost from the week before.

[Edited 2/13/15 14:49pm]

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong, and you sound like nothing but a misinformed hater. Beck is regularly discussed in the music press, both in print and online, mainstream, indie and underground.

That 90s refuge was nominated for album of the year in 2001, had FIVE albums nominated for Best Alternative Album between 2000 and 2009 (amonst other nominations and wins), and has sold 3.5 million albums since 2000.

He's produced records for Charlotte Gainsbourg, Thurston Moore and Stephen Malkmus (amongst others).

In 2009, using the professional studio built at his house he founded the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck%27s_Record_Club" target="_blank">Record Club, where a group of musicians would get together and cover (re-interprate and re-record) an entire album and post videos of the work on YouTube.

Since 2000 he has collaborated with Air, Marianne Faithful, Pear Jam, Macy Gray, Pink, Sia, Jamie Lidell, Tobacco, The Lonely Island and Phillip Glass (amongst others).

In 2013 he released Song Reader, an albums worth of songs written specifically for and released as sheet music. Even though he never recorded any of the songs himself, it still made year end "Best Of" lists. The songs were in turn recorded by HUNDREDS of artists, famous and unknown, and uploaded to YouTube and the Song Reader website.

He's also a painter and visual artist.

Lastly, the album that won this year is really fucking good. You not being aware of that fact doesn't change it.

He has never ventured anywhere near obscurity. Much like Kanye, your ignorant tirade says far more about you than it does Beck. Beck is in fact the exact opposite of what Kanye TRIED to portray him as, which is no doubt why he backtracked on his statement about "respecting artistry" with a quickness (even if he only did so after people close to him were like, "uhh, no dude, not really", which is very much what I suspect happened).

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Precisely.

Cerebus said:

Also, "because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps"... right, exactly like Kanye does. The difference is Beck writes and/or plays all those parts. Kanye samples them or gets other people to create them for him. Don't get it twisted, I enjoy Kanye's music, but your point you were trying to make here actually creates a STRONGER justification for Beck winning Album of the Year.

Not only the musicianship is remarkable, the production and engineering is outstanding. I listened to this album in Lossless at the recording studio I work in here in Sydney, and was flabbergasted. You can hear DYNAMICS! Its no wonder it also won best engineered album. It wasn't squashed to death. You can hear swells, crecendo and diminuendos. All my mixing and mastering friends pretty much said the samething. It was a new bench mark in engineering a record, harkening back to pre 80's mixing, before everything was squashed and thumped to death by compression.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Cerebus said:

Also, "because he may have created an album with a banjo, noise makers, off-rhythm finger snaps"... right, exactly like Kanye does. The difference is Beck writes and/or plays all those parts. Kanye samples them or gets other people to create them for him. Don't get it twisted, I enjoy Kanye's music, but your point you were trying to make here actually creates a STRONGER justification for Beck winning Album of the Year.

Not only the musicianship is remarkable, the production and engineering is outstanding. I listened to this album in Lossless at the recording studio I work in here in Sydney, and was flabbergasted. You can hear DYNAMICS! Its no wonder it also won best engineered album. It wasn't squashed to death. You can hear swells, crecendo and diminuendos. All my mixing and mastering friends pretty much said the samething. It was a new bench mark in engineering a record, harkening back to pre 80's mixing, before everything was squashed and thumped to death by compression.

I agree about the engineering of Morning Phase 100% and was very pleased to see it also won that grammy. His albums have always been well engineered, but his accoustic work in particular really does breathe and have real life to it.

Im very happy to see that my thread has directed some LOVE towards Beck!

He's easily in my top 10 favorite artists...

GO TEAM BECK!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SmiggyG said:

Kudos to Manson, 50 Cent, and John Legend!

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Reading some of the comments here it's no wonder we have race issues in this world. Kanye's bullshit act gets defended because the Grammy's are racist? Kanye being called a racist because he threw a fit because a white boy won? Come on seriously? Why is everything made out to be all about race?

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These damn Grammy's sparked more racial bullshit this year. Now say the tables were turned and Beck did what Kanye did and thought Perry or Swift deserved the award. I can guarantee Beck would have been called a racist. Even Prince's comment on Black Lives Matter has people gushing. Once again have a white artist say White Lives Matter and just watch the world go berserk. That does not make sense to me. Don't all lives matter? However I get why it was said and rightfully so. Probably why it had such an impact. I was angered by the incidents in NY and Ferguson also. I'm tired of the police and their jackboot mentality. Some of them are out of control and should be locked up themselves. Yet did all the looting and burning bring justice? No it just made a bad situation worse. That's really what I'm getting at here. We have enough racial tensions in this country yet people want to make winning or not winning an award a race issue. To me music has no boundaries and it's something that brings people together from all races and walks of life. Now they want to ruin that too?

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I don't give a fuck what people think anymore because I'm so sick of the race bait shit. Say this, you are a racist. Do that, you are a racist. Oh and if you are white you are most definitely a racist. Right? Give me a fucking break! Sure most will label me as a racist just for this post. Well too bad, I'm NOT RACIST! I judge a person based on their actions and deeds in life period! I don't give a shit what color your skin is. Kanye's actions make him look like an asshole period. I don't care if he's green or purple. Hell I hate our president because of his policies yet I get called a racist because he's black. So why are blacks never called racists? Because they're not? Bullshit! It takes 2 to tango baby!

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Makes me sick we will never be as one because people love to be manipulated and turned against each other because of the color of their skin. White and black both! Divide and conquer is the game it's working well here in the USA. Playing right into their hands. I guess that's why I don't let race influence me. I don't like being manipulated and played.

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You TOTALLY miss the point of that statement. Have you ever been racially profiled by a cop before? Not because you did something bad. But simply because of the COLOR of your skin.

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No I did not miss the point of the statement. I explained that in a follow up which you conveniently skipped. You read only what you want to see. Funny the sentence with the word "gushing" caught your eye. I know you understand that word better than anyone here. Oh and yes I have been profiled plenty by cops. Actually had the shit kicked out of me by half a dozen of them. Nothing was ever done to them. So keep judging away.

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Back on topic...............I still can't help to think what Kanye would have done if Prince had won the award. I think Prince could take him out with the cane.

SmiggyG said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

You TOTALLY miss the point of that statement. Have you ever been racially profiled by a cop before? Not because you did something bad. But simply because of the COLOR of your skin.

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No I did not miss the point of the statement. I explained that in a follow up which you conveniently skipped. You read only what you want to see. Funny the sentence with the word "gushing" caught your eye. I know you understand that word better than anyone here. Oh and yes I have been profiled plenty by cops. Actually had the shit kicked out of me by half a dozen of them. Nothing was ever done to them. So keep judging away.

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Back on topic...............I still can't help to think what Kanye would have done if Prince had won the award. I think Prince could take him out with the cane.

Fly me to "Fantasy Land" at Disneyland.....