hausofmoi7 said:

Shirley Manson is tripping.

Kanye was protesting the racial element that play into the grammy's when choosing winners- so for her to talk down to him and call him a 'savage' for that opinion is problematic.

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Kanye's just a talentless auto-tuned twat, there's no other element to it.

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nuttynutmeg said:

hausofmoi7 said:

Shirley Manson is tripping.

Kanye was protesting the racial element that play into the grammy's when choosing winners- so for her to talk down to him and call him a 'savage' for that opinion is problematic.

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Kanye's just a talentless auto-tuned twat, there's no other element to it.

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You feel the right and need to express your disapproval of Kanye expressing his opinion, which itself was a disapproval of an opinion he didnt agree with it.

ok got it.

SoulAlive said:

Kanye West Ripped by Garbage’s Shirley Manson in Open Letter

Kanye West’s antics at the Grammys didn’t exactly sit well with the Internet. Now musicians are starting to speak out against the rapper, who ridiculed Beck for winning album of the year on Sunday night instead of Beyonce. Now, Garbage lead singer Shirley Manson has posted an open letter to Kanye, who she called a “complete tw*t,” on her Facebook page.

Read the full letter below:

Dear Kanye West,

It is YOU who is so busy disrespecting artistry.

You disrespect your own remarkable talents and more importantly you disrespect the talent, hard work and tenacity of all artists when you go so rudely and savagely after such an accomplished and humble artist like BECK.

You make yourself look small and petty and spoilt.

In attempting to reduce the importance of one great talent over another, you make a mockery of all musicians and music from every genre, including your own.

Grow up and stop throwing your toys around.

You are making yourself look like a complete twat.

Ps.I am pretty certain Beyonce doesn’t need you fighting any battles on her account. Seems like she’s got everything covered perfectly well on her own.

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Variety StaffFebruary 9, 2015

I think I this woman!

^^ Why is Shirley Manson's unsolicited opinion more acceptable than Kanye's?

because you happen to agree with her core argument which is in defence of the "grammy's opinion" that Beck was better than all the rest.

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spacedolphin said:

Yes, I have to agree that Kanye is an embarrassing fool. There definitely is a racial element too, he does not seem to like white people.

This is not true.

hausofmoi7 said:

^^ Why is Shirley Manson's unsolicited opinion more acceptable than Kanye's?

because you happen to agree with her core argument which is in defence of the "grammy's opinion" that Beck was better than all the rest.

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She wasn't defending the "Grammy's opinion" in that rant.

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JustErin said:

hausofmoi7 said:

^^ Why is Shirley Manson's unsolicited opinion more acceptable than Kanye's?

because you happen to agree with her core argument which is in defence of the "grammy's opinion" that Beck was better than all the rest.

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She wasn't defending the "Grammy's opinion" in that rant.

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She was voicing her opinion that she did not agree with Kanye's opinion that he didnt agree with Grammy's opinion.

hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

She wasn't defending the "Grammy's opinion" in that rant.

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She was voicing her opinion that she did not agree with Kanye's opinion that he didnt agree with Grammy's opinion.

No, that's not what she said.

JustErin said:

hausofmoi7 said:

She was voicing her opinion that she did not agree with Kanye's opinion that he didnt agree with Grammy's opinion.

No, that's not what she said.

That's what she did.

Kanye expressed his disapproval of the grammys opinion by protest, she expressed her disapproval of Kanye's opinion and right to protest via an unsolicited public rant.

At the core of this problem is the grammy's opinion of who is the best that has caused all these opinions to fly everywhere.

hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

No, that's not what she said.

That's what she did.

Kanye expressed his disapproval of the grammys opinion by protest, she expressed her disapproval of Kanye's opinion and right to protest via an unsolicited public rant.

At the core of this problem is the grammy's opinion of who is the best that has caused all these opinions to fly everywhere.

No, her post was not about the Grammy's decision. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand what she said.

JustErin said:

hausofmoi7 said:

That's what she did.

Kanye expressed his disapproval of the grammys opinion by protest, she expressed her disapproval of Kanye's opinion and right to protest via an unsolicited public rant.

At the core of this problem is the grammy's opinion of who is the best that has caused all these opinions to fly everywhere.

No, her post was not about the Grammy's decision. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand what she said.

I dont get why we are mad at Kanye for voicing an opinion against an opinion.

When its the Grammy's that is the problem.

Beck's pastiche as being genius is lost on me, but Kanye West is definitely a tool.

Kanye's an Ass!

Beck is Respected by everyone from Johnny Cash to D'angelo...

End of..

hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

No, her post was not about the Grammy's decision. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand what she said.

I dont get why we are mad at Kanye for voicing an opinion against an opinion.

When its the Grammy's that is the problem.

I'm not mad at anyone myself.

Kanye's remarks about Beck not respecting artistry and saying that he is diminishing art and not respecting the craft is what is making people respond.

It's one thing to say, "I've listened to both albums and I think Beyonce should have won over Beck" but it's another to make the ridiculous statements he made.

I understand the point he was trying to make about the Grammy's and no doubt there is an issue with the voting process, but dude was drunk and mostly took it out on Beck instead.

JustErin said:

hausofmoi7 said:

I dont get why we are mad at Kanye for voicing an opinion against an opinion.

When its the Grammy's that is the problem.

I'm not mad at anyone myself.

Kanye's remarks about Beck not respecting artistry and saying that he is diminishing art and not respecting the craft is what is making people respond.

It's one thing to say, "I've listened to both albums and I think Beyonce should have won over Beck" but it's another to make the ridiculous statements he made.

I understand the point he was trying to make about the Grammy's and no doubt there is an issue with the voting process, but dude was drunk and mostly took it out on Beck instead.

It's the awarding of one artist as greater than another artist and pitting them against each other to make people choose a side in order to generate profits that is a problem.

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Kanye within that context however still brings up the important issue of race discrimination and perhaps unintentionally? proves the ridiculousness of choosing 'the best' artist.

Who was the best? We will never know because it can not be determined.

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Music critics are partly to blame for West's ego, always praising his middle of the road music... Also, this black racism is certainly annoying. Some blacks seem to believe they can do anything just because their "ancestors" have sufffered white racism. Ah, black messiahs...

hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

No, her post was not about the Grammy's decision. I find it hard to believe that you do not understand what she said.

I dont get why we are mad at Kanye for voicing an opinion against an opinion.

When its the Grammy's that is the problem.

The thing is, what makes Kanye think that his opinion matters? He's defending Beyonce (against Beck) and married to one of the Kardashians. Those two things alone speak volumes about his character and level of intelligence.

Kanye can't touch Beck. He's lucky that Beck is a class act, unlike him, of course.

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hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

I'm not mad at anyone myself.

Kanye's remarks about Beck not respecting artistry and saying that he is diminishing art and not respecting the craft is what is making people respond.

It's one thing to say, "I've listened to both albums and I think Beyonce should have won over Beck" but it's another to make the ridiculous statements he made.

I understand the point he was trying to make about the Grammy's and no doubt there is an issue with the voting process, but dude was drunk and mostly took it out on Beck instead.

It's the awarding of one artist as greater than another artist and pitting them against each other to make people choose a side in order to generate profits that is a problem.

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Kanye within that context however still brings up the important issue of race discrimination and perhaps unintentionally? proves the ridiculousness of choosing 'the best' artist.

Oh puh-leeze! If that was honestly Kanye's problem, then why didn't he express it, the 57 times the Grammy's have done that to him, especially the 21 times where he was the winner?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

hausofmoi7 said:

It's the awarding of one artist as greater than another artist and pitting them against each other to make people choose a side in order to generate profits that is a problem.

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Kanye within that context however still brings up the important issue of race discrimination and perhaps unintentionally? proves the ridiculousness of choosing 'the best' artist.

Oh puh-leeze! If that was honestly Kanye's problem, then why didn't he express it, the 57 times the Grammy's have done that to him, especially the 21 times where he was the winner?

I didnt say that was Kanye's problem with the situation.

One of the issues he has with the grammys is racism i.e His belief that the grammys are unable to see Beyonce's musical merits due a cultural disconnect - this is true and proves the ridiculousness of choosing the best artist.

Kanye's protest however does not make the link between racism and class/elitism.

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hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

I'm not mad at anyone myself.

Kanye's remarks about Beck not respecting artistry and saying that he is diminishing art and not respecting the craft is what is making people respond.

It's one thing to say, "I've listened to both albums and I think Beyonce should have won over Beck" but it's another to make the ridiculous statements he made.

I understand the point he was trying to make about the Grammy's and no doubt there is an issue with the voting process, but dude was drunk and mostly took it out on Beck instead.

It's the awarding of one artist as greater than another artist and pitting them against each other to make people choose a side in order to generate profits that is a problem.

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Kanye within that context however still brings up the important issue of race discrimination and perhaps unintentionally? proves the ridiculousness of choosing 'the best' artist.

Who was the best? We will never know because it can not be determined.

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He said nothing of race.

Who's the best? According to Kanye it's Beyonce...so there goes that theory.

hausofmoi7 said:

JustErin said:

She wasn't defending the "Grammy's opinion" in that rant.

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She was voicing her opinion that she did not agree with Kanye's opinion that he didnt agree with Grammy's opinion.

Give it up. You're losing credibility with every post...The Grammys are silly. Kanye made an utter fool of himself by treating the proceedings as in any way serious or, laughably, racist. It's a show, a big commercial for mostly crap music. And if Kanye feels so strongly that Beyonce's was the album of the year then he's just a cog in the machinne. You argue that it's foolish to actually choose who's 'the best.' Your hero Kanye had no problem doing it.

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hausofmoi7 said:

hausofmoi7 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh puh-leeze! If that was honestly Kanye's problem, then why didn't he express it, the 57 times the Grammy's have done that to him, especially the 21 times where he was the winner?

I didnt say that was Kanye's problem with the situation.

One of the issues he has is racism i.e His belief that the grammys are unable to see Beyonce's musical merits due a cultural disconnect - this true and proves the ridiculousness of choosing the best artist.

Kanye's protest however does not make the link between racism and class/elitism.

Beyonce has Grammy 53 nominations and 20 wins. Her not winning Album of the Year (the only Grammy she's not won that gets Kanye's panties in a bunch) is not about cultural disconnect, it's about artistry!

Here's the list of Grammy Album of the Year Awards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Album_of_the_Year

Note the years: 1974, 1975, 1977, 1984, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1999, 2004, 2005 and 2008

Prince should of knocked kuntyas ass out n hit him w his cane what a shit, ban that fucker

hausofmoi7 said:

Cerebus said:

And if you want to get real about it, ALL THESE PEOPLE WON GRAMMYS THIS YEAR! Kendrick Lamar (3), Pharrell (3), Beyonce (3), Toni Braxton & Babyface, Robert Glasper Experiment feat. Malcolm Jamal Warner & Lalah Hathaway, Darlene Love, Merry Clayton, Lisa Fischer & Judith Hill, Dianne Reeves, Erica Campbell, Lecrae, Smokie Norful & Aaron W. Lindsey, John Coltrane, Billy Childs, Angelique Kidjo, Ziggy Marley

And just like the revolution those awards will not be televised.

The grammys are all about the Best New Artist, Record and Album of the year- so all the artist are after those awards to boost their sales.

The artists competing know this also so they could careless about the sub-categories.

The whole thing is just an elitist fighting match but it lends itself greatly to pointing out how society works with issues of racism and class at play in this microcosm.

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You're a hateful, racist, contradictory, no-point-havin' fool. I'd list all the awards won by white, spanish, asian, etc. people that weren't televised, but you still wouldn't get it. All that matters to you is that you get to keep doing your angry finger-pointing. If Kanye won an award and a white person acted out against him in this manner a large portion of the black community would be exploding, claiming racism. Yet, this isn't even the first time Kanye has done this and you sit there going around and around, trying to find some way in which Kaney is being wronged, trying to find some way to make it a white against black race issue, trying to explain how Kanye's opinion is right, contradicting yourself over and over in the process. Bullshit. Kanye was an asshole, he deserves to be called on it and race has nothing to do with it.

Cerebus said:

hausofmoi7 said:

And just like the revolution those awards will not be televised.

The grammys are all about the Best New Artist, Record and Album of the year- so all the artist are after those awards to boost their sales.

The artists competing know this also so they could careless about the sub-categories.

The whole thing is just an elitist fighting match but it lends itself greatly to pointing out how society works with issues of racism and class at play in this microcosm.

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You're a hateful, racist, contradictory, no-point-havin' fool. I'd list all the awards won by white, spanish, asian, etc. people that weren't televised, but you still wouldn't get it. All that matters to you is that you get to keep doing your angry finger-pointing. If Kanye won an award and a white person acted out against him in this manner a large portion of the black community would be exploding, claiming racism. Yet, this isn't even the first time Kanye has done this and you sit there going around and around, trying to find some way in which Kaney is being wronged, trying to find some way to make it a white against black race issue, trying to explain how Kanye's opinion is right, contradicting yourself over and over in the process. Bullshit. Kanye was an asshole, he deserves to be called on it and race has nothing to do with it.

I agree with you. Especially the bolded.

I doubt Kanye was even doing that to make a statement about the Grammys being racist. Kanye is someone who said it's okay if White people use the N-word. Kanye is someone who has made a fashion line with Confederate Flags on them. He might have been right about George Bush but Kanye is a joke to me now when it comes to race-relations.

He's just a tool and he needs to stop pushing his PERSONAL opinion on who should have won what on other artists. He needs to grow the hell up.

I read a comment somewhere that was along the lines of, "Kanye bullied Taylor Swift, a teen girl about 75 pounds soaking wet, and then Beck, also about 75 pounds soaking wet. When will he come on stage to bully a powerful figure?"

I agree. Kanye exposed himself as a piece of crap for these comments about Beck. 'respecting artistry'? WHAT THE FUCK. I already ranted in Prince:Music & More in the grammys topic so I'll save the rant now, but fuck this guy (and I actually really like his music)

If Beck dissed Kanye today, the media would immediately take his side so it's honorable imo that he had such a positive/cool reaction/response

over the years i've defended kanye's outspoken antics... not this time... he acted like a complete tool imo


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