Oh fuck! and yet somehow I kept feeling like Justin Beiber was going to pop up with a verse or two.

Why the hell is Busta looking more and more like KRS-One these days? He sure is packing on pounds.

It jumped the shark when Master P came in and fucked the whole game up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JabarR74 said:

missfee said:

Oh fuck! and yet somehow I kept feeling like Justin Beiber was going to pop up with a verse or two.

Why the hell is Busta looking more and more like KRS-One these days? He sure is packing on pounds.

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He's living that good life!

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

JabarR74 said:

It jumped the shark when Master P came in and fucked the whole game up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No P was not the downfall. NO LIMIT out some crap like everyone. But also had some top notch releases. who is the downfall? A few years later with the success of Lil Jon.

I still say the beginning of the end started with Cash Money Records, especially Lil Wayne. 50Cent and his G-Unit made it worse.

TonyVanDam said:

I don't know what to say........

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Although we've seen this many times before now, it's still baffling. 3 minutes?

Many people miss Tupac and Biggie and often bring them up when they compare "real" , old school Hip Hop vs. modern, mainstream Hip Hop but, while I still like most of Tupac´s work and acknowledge Biggie´s skills as a rapper, I must say that the downfall of Hip Hop started with Puffy and the obscene materialism that he and his crew glorified so unapologetically.

Don´t get me wrong, this does not take away from Biggie´s skills and of course they released a lot of good music but still....I think P.Diddy and Suge Knight are easily among the main culprits when it comes to the demise of Hip Hop as a culture and lifestyle..they totally perverted everything that the movement used to stand for and it turned into one big messy celebration of materialism, violence, misogyny, ignorance and partying.

So, what some consider the last breath of real Hip Hop was actually, in my opinion, the beginning of the end.

And yet everybody complaining about the decay of Hip Hop still likes Diddy and his cohorts, including people who I´d consider real Hip Hop (KRS 1, Chuck D., etc.).

Also don´t forget the extremely annoying Black Eyed Peas, the once omnipresent and equally annoying Wyclef Jean and of course Lil Wayne and Lil Jon and all them fucking Lils that are out there.

And Jay-Z Dude is very smart and has some nice, energetic songs and interesting rhymes but boy is he a selfish, arrogant, thieving, same ol same ol rapper who still raps about shit he did in ´88 for the umpteenth time.

Rant over.

KoolEaze said:

Many people miss Tupac and Biggie and often bring them up when they compare "real" , old school Hip Hop vs. modern, mainstream Hip Hop but, while I still like most of Tupac´s work and acknowledge Biggie´s skills as a rapper, I must say that the downfall of Hip Hop started with Puffy and the obscene materialism that he and his crew glorified so unapologetically.

Don´t get me wrong, this does not take away from Biggie´s skills and of course they released a lot of good music but still....I think P.Diddy and Suge Knight are easily among the main culprits when it comes to the demise of Hip Hop as a culture and lifestyle..they totally perverted everything that the movement used to stand for and it turned into one big messy celebration of materialism, violence, misogyny, ignorance and partying.

So, what some consider the last breath of real Hip Hop was actually, in my opinion, the beginning of the end.

And yet everybody complaining about the decay of Hip Hop still likes Diddy and his cohorts, including people who I´d consider real Hip Hop (KRS 1, Chuck D., etc.).

Also don´t forget the extremely annoying Black Eyed Peas, the once omnipresent and equally annoying Wyclef Jean and of course Lil Wayne and Lil Jon and all them fucking Lils that are out there.

And Jay-Z Dude is very smart and has some nice, energetic songs and interesting rhymes but boy is he a selfish, arrogant, thieving, same ol same ol rapper who still raps about shit he did in ´88 for the umpteenth time.

Rant over.

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KoolEaze said:

Many people miss Tupac and Biggie and often bring them up when they compare "real" , old school Hip Hop vs. modern, mainstream Hip Hop but, while I still like most of Tupac´s work and acknowledge Biggie´s skills as a rapper, I must say that the downfall of Hip Hop started with Puffy and the obscene materialism that he and his crew glorified so unapologetically.

Don´t get me wrong, this does not take away from Biggie´s skills and of course they released a lot of good music but still....I think P.Diddy and Suge Knight are easily among the main culprits when it comes to the demise of Hip Hop as a culture and lifestyle..they totally perverted everything that the movement used to stand for and it turned into one big messy celebration of materialism, violence, misogyny, ignorance and partying.

So, what some consider the last breath of real Hip Hop was actually, in my opinion, the beginning of the end.

And yet everybody complaining about the decay of Hip Hop still likes Diddy and his cohorts, including people who I´d consider real Hip Hop (KRS 1, Chuck D., etc.).

Also don´t forget the extremely annoying Black Eyed Peas, the once omnipresent and equally annoying Wyclef Jean and of course Lil Wayne and Lil Jon and all them fucking Lils that are out there.

And Jay-Z Dude is very smart and has some nice, energetic songs and interesting rhymes but boy is he a selfish, arrogant, thieving, same ol same ol rapper who still raps about shit he did in ´88 for the umpteenth time.

Rant over.

We can end this thread right about here.

The sad thing is, the younger popular crop of rappers like Rich Homie Quan, A$AP Rocky, Kid Ink, etc. are all soo bad that its hard to criticize the culture vultures when they appropriate rap for commercials like this. Its not any worse.

Busta Bust...shame on you.

As a white guy let me say it jumped the shark when it accepted white people.

I was in third or fourth grade when The Chronic came out. The next few years, Death Row Records basically raised me. As a white kid listening to rap in a predominatley white community, I was called several insulting names. Back in my day, rap was not for white people.

Now I see just as many white rappers as black ones. That's not good. It's watered down. It's boring. Where is the danger? The threat? Remember when parents would protest lyrics? My school had a parent meeting discussing the possible drug references in Ice Ice Baby. That meeting made the newspaper! My mom was quoted in it! Serious. Now parents introduce their kids to Doggystyle. <--see what I did there?

Wasn't the whole point of rap to make a statement? Well, I guess it still is. Just not a message I think is respectable.

Fuckin' white people. We ruin everything.

1ststatestereo said:

As a white guy let me say it jumped the shark when it accepted white people.

I was in third or fourth grade when The Chronic came out. The next few years, Death Row Records basically raised me. As a white kid listening to rap in a predominatley white community, I was called several insulting names. Back in my day, rap was not for white people.

Now I see just as many white rappers as black ones. That's not good. It's watered down. It's boring. Where is the danger? The threat? Remember when parents would protest lyrics? My school had a parent meeting discussing the possible drug references in Ice Ice Baby. That meeting made the newspaper! My mom was quoted in it! Serious. Now parents introduce their kids to Doggystyle. <--see what I did there?

Wasn't the whole point of rap to make a statement? Well, I guess it still is. Just not a message I think is respectable.

Fuckin' white people. We ruin everything.

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You're not serious are you? If you are, I think I know what you mean but it takes two to tango baby. Corporate America needs a partner to dance with and far too many of our veteran hip hop acts "jumped the shark" or "sold out" a long time ago. Don't blame white folk, blame greed (on all sides). The newer generation sees the success of their elders and want to follow suit (by dancing with that corporate devil) and perpetuate the problem. It's a vicious cycle my dude.

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KoolEaze said:

Many people miss Tupac and Biggie and often bring them up when they compare "real" , old school Hip Hop vs. modern, mainstream Hip Hop but, while I still like most of Tupac´s work and acknowledge Biggie´s skills as a rapper, I must say that the downfall of Hip Hop started with Puffy and the obscene materialism that he and his crew glorified so unapologetically.

Don´t get me wrong, this does not take away from Biggie´s skills and of course they released a lot of good music but still....I think P.Diddy and Suge Knight are easily among the main culprits when it comes to the demise of Hip Hop as a culture and lifestyle..they totally perverted everything that the movement used to stand for and it turned into one big messy celebration of materialism, violence, misogyny, ignorance and partying.

So, what some consider the last breath of real Hip Hop was actually, in my opinion, the beginning of the end.

And yet everybody complaining about the decay of Hip Hop still likes Diddy and his cohorts, including people who I´d consider real Hip Hop (KRS 1, Chuck D., etc.).

Also don´t forget the extremely annoying Black Eyed Peas, the once omnipresent and equally annoying Wyclef Jean and of course Lil Wayne and Lil Jon and all them fucking Lils that are out there.

And Jay-Z Dude is very smart and has some nice, energetic songs and interesting rhymes but boy is he a selfish, arrogant, thieving, same ol same ol rapper who still raps about shit he did in ´88 for the umpteenth time.

Rant over.

/thread

Musicslave said:

1ststatestereo said:

As a white guy let me say it jumped the shark when it accepted white people.

I was in third or fourth grade when The Chronic came out. The next few years, Death Row Records basically raised me. As a white kid listening to rap in a predominatley white community, I was called several insulting names. Back in my day, rap was not for white people.

Now I see just as many white rappers as black ones. That's not good. It's watered down. It's boring. Where is the danger? The threat? Remember when parents would protest lyrics? My school had a parent meeting discussing the possible drug references in Ice Ice Baby. That meeting made the newspaper! My mom was quoted in it! Serious. Now parents introduce their kids to Doggystyle. <--see what I did there?

Wasn't the whole point of rap to make a statement? Well, I guess it still is. Just not a message I think is respectable.

Fuckin' white people. We ruin everything.

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You're not serious are you? If you are, I think I know what you mean but it takes two to tango baby. Corporate America needs a partner to dance with and far too many of our veteran hip hop acts "jumped the shark" or "sold out" a long time ago. Don't blame white folk, blame greed (on all sides). The newer generation sees the success of their elders and want to follow suit (by dancing with that corporate devil) and perpetuate the problem. It's a vicious cycle my dude.

[Edited 8/4/14 8:18am]

Maybe if he's referring to the business side of the industry, then he might have a point. Now, if I would have said what he said, I would have been permanently deleted from the Org because it seems that discussions about race are frowned upon, if you're black and talking about race...

Anyway, there's always been solid hip-hop out there (J Dilla anyone?). We just have to search for it. There are probably lots of great artists that just aren't being promoted by the label. I tried listening to Childish Gambino recently and after a few songs I turned it off. I was reading the Youtube comments and a lot of people were saying that modern hip-hop sucked. I'm still trying to figure out why Big Sean seems to be popular

Here are a few pretty awesome hip-hop tracks, IMHO. Disclaimer: The "N" word is used here, unfortunately.

Dilla has been cold in the ground for more than 8 years now. That sort of says alot when a dude that is long gone is still being touted as "real hip hop".

jeidee said:

Dilla has been cold in the ground for more than 8 years now. That sort of says alot when a dude that is long gone is still being touted as "real hip hop".

Tell me about it, Jeidee! I appreciate him more now than ever. Over the weekend, I was listening to nothing but JD beats. That dude was a genius. These are a few gems that I found here:

hip hop will never die

Busta was looking buff as fuck just 2 years ago! now he's looking chunky. Those roids that him and Timbaland use only gave them temporary swollness

Gunsnhalen said:

Busta was looking buff as fuck just 2 years ago! now he's looking chunky. Those roids that him and Timbaland use only gave them temporary swollness

Funny, I never made the connection between their yo-yo fat/skinny/buff thing but you're probably right Busta is looking a bit XL in the face these days!

SeventeenDayze said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Busta was looking buff as fuck just 2 years ago! now he's looking chunky. Those roids that him and Timbaland use only gave them temporary swollness

Funny, I never made the connection between their yo-yo fat/skinny/buff thing but you're probably right Busta is looking a bit XL in the face these days!

He was also talking about doing an album about the ''illuminati'' in that interview where he was buff. Wonder what happened to that

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I honestly can't be mad at Busta for this. Snoop has been doing this kind of thing for years and years.

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And possibly the worst song ever:

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BlaqueKnight said:

KoolEaze said:

Many people miss Tupac and Biggie and often bring them up when they compare "real" , old school Hip Hop vs. modern, mainstream Hip Hop but, while I still like most of Tupac´s work and acknowledge Biggie´s skills as a rapper, I must say that the downfall of Hip Hop started with Puffy and the obscene materialism that he and his crew glorified so unapologetically.

Don´t get me wrong, this does not take away from Biggie´s skills and of course they released a lot of good music but still....I think P.Diddy and Suge Knight are easily among the main culprits when it comes to the demise of Hip Hop as a culture and lifestyle..they totally perverted everything that the movement used to stand for and it turned into one big messy celebration of materialism, violence, misogyny, ignorance and partying.

So, what some consider the last breath of real Hip Hop was actually, in my opinion, the beginning of the end.

And yet everybody complaining about the decay of Hip Hop still likes Diddy and his cohorts, including people who I´d consider real Hip Hop (KRS 1, Chuck D., etc.).

Also don´t forget the extremely annoying Black Eyed Peas, the once omnipresent and equally annoying Wyclef Jean and of course Lil Wayne and Lil Jon and all them fucking Lils that are out there.

And Jay-Z Dude is very smart and has some nice, energetic songs and interesting rhymes but boy is he a selfish, arrogant, thieving, same ol same ol rapper who still raps about shit he did in ´88 for the umpteenth time.

Rant over.

We can end this thread right about here.

The sad thing is, the younger popular crop of rappers like Rich Homie Quan, A$AP Rocky, Kid Ink, etc. are all soo bad that its hard to criticize the culture vultures when they appropriate rap for commercials like this. Its not any worse.

Busta Bust...shame on you.

You two are so crazy wrong. . .

Tell me: when was Biggie not rapping about Coogie sweaters, weed, how much money he

had, Versace materialism? Who was Biggie's promoter/producer? You cannot place the

blame squarely on Puffy's shoulders. If you do, you have to point at the rapper Puffy put

on the map as well.

And Suge Knight had nothing to do with Tupac's lifestyle. The two were attracted to each of

because of similar lifestyle. Face it, Tupac and Biggie were just as consumed with materialism

as any other materialistic rapper today.

Hip hop jumped the shark when it was co-opted by the mainstream media.

Gunsnhalen said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Funny, I never made the connection between their yo-yo fat/skinny/buff thing but you're probably right Busta is looking a bit XL in the face these days!

He was also talking abotu doing an album about the ''illuminati'' in that interview where he was buff. Wonder what happened to that

Now THAT would be a fun thread to start in this forum "Your Favorite Non-Prince Music Conspiracy Theories"

duccichucka said:

BlaqueKnight said:

We can end this thread right about here.

The sad thing is, the younger popular crop of rappers like Rich Homie Quan, A$AP Rocky, Kid Ink, etc. are all soo bad that its hard to criticize the culture vultures when they appropriate rap for commercials like this. Its not any worse.

Busta Bust...shame on you.

You two are so crazy wrong. . .

Tell me: when was Biggie not rapping about Coogie sweaters, weed, how much money he

had, Versace materialism? Who was Biggie's promoter/producer? You cannot place the

blame squarely on Puffy's shoulders. If you do, you have to point at the rapper Puffy put

on the map as well.

And Suge Knight had nothing to do with Tupac's lifestyle. The two were attracted to each of

because of similar lifestyle. Face it, Tupac and Biggie were just as consumed with materialism

as any other materialistic rapper today.

But of course....that was my point.

I´m just saying that, despite the materialism, Biggie at least still had skills, funny punchlines and whatnot...unlike most rappers today...that kind of makes his music a guilty pleasure, if you will. Same goes for Tupac...for every smart lyric there is a really superficial and shallow one.

Puffy and Suge are not the only ones to blame, you´re right about that....however, as CEOs and producers, they benefitted from the whole atmosphere that they helped create, and embraced all the bad aspects that we, you and I , both mentioned already.

Maybe it´s just my blurred memory that makes me remember Puffy and Suge as the bigger evils behind it all, whereas Pac and Biggie at least made me think or smile or laugh...but yeah, you´re right, the blame lies with them as well, not just Suge and Puff.

To be honest, I like Biggie and Tupac in hindsight more than I actually did back then. Back then, I liked certain songs of them but all in all, I could already tell that things wouldn´t last and as an old school Hip Hop follower who still believed in the ideals of the Zulu Nation I always found the vulgar, obscene and materialistic trends in Hip Hop quite alarming.

Especially the way how the very term Hip Hop was being usurped, misused, exploited, tarnished and given a whole new meaning at some point.

But I digress and sound like an old man.

It´s just that I loved it so much back then and it´s a big part of my biography, and now it´s turned into a sad joke, a travesty. However, I do believe that there are still some very talented MCs out there.