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Thread started 12/16/13 4:03pm

Unholyalliance

Chris Brown the monster; R.Kelly the hero

People who berate Chris Brown, but celebrate R. Kelly are an interesting bunch.

Chris Brown submitted Rihanna to a violent beating in 2009. He turned himself in, went to court, and did his time (not jailtime, but he served something). People, to this day, still harrass him. Whether he seems to be sorry for it, or not, people use him as personal dumping ground to unleash their hate and frustrations on. One woman had, personally, harrassed him on Twitter and when he lashed out on her. Someone likened his angry and frustrated tweets to verbal rape.

Yet, R.Kelly is walking around free as a bird. He's been featured on Lady Gaga's new album, invited to concerts, featured on numerous venues, selling albums, winning awards. No big protests. No music journalist mentioning anything about the trial or numerous other allegations. No one makes a peep about many of the young victims that lie in his wake. The many teenage girls whom he: raped; forced abortions on that he, personally, paid for; coereced into have sex with one another. Excuse me...I mean the BLACK teenage girls that he's done this to.

Maybe that's what all the silence is about? Is it because his victims were young black females? Young black females aren't seen as victims...in fact most women of color aren't seen as victims, but rather willing participants. They aren't given the same 'innocent virgin label" as white women. The New York Times once blamed a black 11 year victim for being raped. A judge, recently, gave a teacher only 30 days in jail, because he felt that the latina victim, 14 at the time, was a willing participant. Even after she killed herself before the trial ever went to court. If this mindset is true, then could this be the reason why people, even black men and women could rally behind and support a known pedophile? Would these people do the same had his victims been white girls ages 12 and up?

A pedophile that has been known to prey on young black girls and sued over and over and over again, by them. Their only option is to settle as true justice is naught but a dream. I, too, did not understand the serverity of R.Kelly's crimes and how little care people gave to young victims of color. We rationalize it by calling them: whores, willing and able, easy, fast, and etc. When we call them that then they can't be victims...because the willing can't be victims. We don't afford them the victim label. It's their fault for what happened to them.

So as I see people, even here, line up in support of R.Kelly, all willing to give their money to this criminal all while so eager to boycott and berate Chris Brown I have to wonder...why? Why? Are you willing to forgive R.Kelly's PROVEN crimes in order to pay for a couple of 3-4 minute songs? Are you willing to turn a blind eye to all of his victims in order to give him your hard earned money to contribute to his funds. Funds that will end up paying off more victims who are desperate to seek justice? All while cursing the ground that Chris Brown walks on. Cursing his very existance.

Well, you know what? Rather than run away from justice as so many guilty men did before him, Chris Brown turned himself in. Meanwhile R.Kelly is still out there, roaming the streets...always on the look out for new victims, because of your continued financial support. He won't receive mine though. If I feel the need to listen to his music, I'll be pirating it.

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Reply #1 posted 12/16/13 4:19pm

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I will say that I find it interesting that I can listen to R. Kelly like nothing happened, but I can't listen to Chris at all these days. I blame it on me growing up on R. Kelly music. I was a huge fan of chris when he first came out (i'm 26 now) so I guess I was more invested in him. R. Kelly music (older music) is just too good to ignore I guess, but it doesn't make it right. Regardless Chris still has a lot of growing up to do, I hate when people baby him and his situation.

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Reply #2 posted 12/16/13 4:52pm

Gunsnhalen

But you're still listening to his music either way right? so, whether or not you ''support'' him by buying his music. You're still supporting his music by listening, or putting it on your ipoid, or burning it to your cd.

And Chris is still popular... i hate his music. But, he still makes hits and collabs. And we will hear from him for awhile...

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Reply #3 posted 12/16/13 5:38pm

Timmy84

babybugz said:

I will say that I find it interesting that I can listen to R. Kelly like nothing happened, but I can't listen to Chris at all these days. I blame it on me growing up on R. Kelly music. I was a huge fan of chris when he first came out (i'm 26 now) so I guess I was more invested in him. R. Kelly music (older music) is just too good to ignore I guess, but it doesn't make it right. Regardless Chris still has a lot of growing up to do, I hate when people baby him and his situation.

It's not that hard to ignore @ R. Kelly. Both of them don't deserve any type of play. It's unlikely Chris Brown will go away any time.

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Reply #4 posted 12/17/13 6:02am

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Well, the thing about it is that both remain hugely popular despite their personal/legal troubles. I don't respect nor like the music of either of them one over the other. They both are putting out sucky music at the moment so I listen to neither. lol

Now I do agree with you regarding Chris though. He only had one major incident, has apologized, did his time and has "tried" to move on, yet some folks still haven't. Of course it doesn't help that he creates unnecessary idiotic situations for himself too. As far as Kelly goes, I don't think he's ever acknowledged that infamous "tape" that was all out for others to see. On top of that, he was never convicted of anything or served time for it, so it's easier for folks to dismiss the whole incident as if nothing has happened, despite the young victims coming forward. I haven't bought an R. Kelly album since the late 90's and its been because he hasn't put out anything of any quality (for my ears) that made it important enough for me to buy it. I don't own any of Chris Brown's albums at all and don't feel that he's all that great a singer, though I do enjoy seeing him dance.

On the other hand, some people can separate the personal issues from the artist. James Brown was a womanizing woman beater but made some of the best soulful music of all time and was a legendary entertainer. Jimi Hendrix is rumored to had been a woman beater too, yet he's a legend. I'm pretty sure some folks still have their 45's from "The Who", yet Pete Townshend was accused of downloading kiddie porn (when it turned out that he was doing some kind of research for his charity).

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Reply #5 posted 12/17/13 8:09am

Timmy84

missfee said:

Well, the thing about it is that both remain hugely popular despite their personal/legal troubles. I don't respect nor like the music of either of them one over the other. They both are putting out sucky music at the moment so I listen to neither. lol

Now I do agree with you regarding Chris though. He only had one major incident, has apologized, did his time and has "tried" to move on, yet some folks still haven't. Of course it doesn't help that he creates unnecessary idiotic situations for himself too. As far as Kelly goes, I don't think he's ever acknowledged that infamous "tape" that was all out for others to see. On top of that, he was never convicted of anything or served time for it, so it's easier for folks to dismiss the whole incident as if nothing has happened, despite the young victims coming forward. I haven't bought an R. Kelly album since the late 90's and its been because he hasn't put out anything of any quality (for my ears) that made it important enough for me to buy it. I don't own any of Chris Brown's albums at all and don't feel that he's all that great a singer, though I do enjoy seeing him dance.

On the other hand, some people can separate the personal issues from the artist. James Brown was a womanizing woman beater but made some of the best soulful music of all time and was a legendary entertainer. Jimi Hendrix is rumored to had been a woman beater too, yet he's a legend. I'm pretty sure some folks still have their 45's from "The Who", yet Pete Townshend was accused of downloading kiddie porn (when it turned out that he was doing some kind of research for his charity).

For some people it's harder with R. Kelly because most of his music was based on sex and every time I think about songs he did in his career and the stuff he did with Aaliyah. I mean her first album was his production and he gave it the title ("Age Ain't Nothing But a Number").

R. Kelly was always giving us hints he was a pervert even before a marriage certificate. I just read an article with Jim DeRogatis being interviewed and he said he had spoken to Aaliyah's mother who cried to him that her daughter was "never the same" after what happened between her and Kels. sad Plus the fact that he settled out of court with his accusers definitely makes it even harder.

Chris Brown just had a short fuse and acts very ignorantly and his music reflects it so it's hard to disassociate him from his music. Plus he's in the era where "artists" are "rewarded" for their arrogance for some dumb reason.

I think with some other artists, their alleged bad deeds and behaviors only added to their legend, more than anything.

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Reply #6 posted 12/17/13 8:53am

cindymay

everything is right about this post..I personally can't stand both..but yeah one's treated like a monster while the other has been praised a lot recently like nothing happened before confused p.s you forgot that r.kelly just worked with bruno mars as well in the remix version of his last single I think gorilla.. confused

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Reply #7 posted 12/17/13 9:30am

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I think it has a lot to do with longevity and talent. Doesn't make it right, but I think that's why you see the divide in the way they are percieved.

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Reply #8 posted 12/17/13 10:22am

Stymie

People are never going to let the r Kelly fiasco go. Did you guys read what happened on his twitter feed? :lol:

Fuck them both. They are both pieces of garbage.
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Reply #9 posted 12/17/13 10:33am

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Stymie said:

People are never going to let the r Kelly fiasco go. Did you guys read what happened on his twitter feed? lol Fuck them both. They are both pieces of garbage.

http://www.complex.com/te...goes-wrong

Oh my. Tweets like "What's your favorite bedtime story to read a date? #AskRKelly and "#AskRKelly my lil cousin jus bout to finish 10th grade ... Seems like she ready?" spit

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Reply #10 posted 12/17/13 11:08am

Stymie

VenusBlingBling said:

Stymie said:

People are never going to let the r Kelly fiasco go. Did you guys read what happened on his twitter feed? lol Fuck them both. They are both pieces of garbage.

http://www.complex.com/te...goes-wrong

Oh my. Tweets like "What's your favorite bedtime story to read a date? #AskRKelly and "#AskRKelly my lil cousin jus bout to finish 10th grade ... Seems like she ready?" spit

falloff

When I first read it, I thought it was a joke but now that I know they are real, it is the best shit ever!!! lol

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Reply #11 posted 12/17/13 5:08pm

babybugz

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Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I will say that I find it interesting that I can listen to R. Kelly like nothing happened, but I can't listen to Chris at all these days. I blame it on me growing up on R. Kelly music. I was a huge fan of chris when he first came out (i'm 26 now) so I guess I was more invested in him. R. Kelly music (older music) is just too good to ignore I guess, but it doesn't make it right. Regardless Chris still has a lot of growing up to do, I hate when people baby him and his situation.

It's not that hard to ignore @ R. Kelly. Both of them don't deserve any type of play. It's unlikely Chris Brown will go away any time.

Very true, but if I like the song I like the song. All of these entertainers are fucked up and honestly I used to be the one that couldn't separate, but I guess I just dgaf these days. Marvin wasn't the best person either.

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Reply #12 posted 12/17/13 5:12pm

alphastreet

Grew up on r Kelly in the 90s and early 00s, what a damn shame he has a penis for a brain. Till this day I'm still disgusted with the verdict. How could he get away with the tape with all that child porn found in one of the raids? He simply took advantage of young girls and what they go through, pervert!
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Reply #13 posted 12/17/13 6:15pm

Gunsnhalen

babybugz has a point... most artists are fucked up. And that is just the truth!


I used to think Stevie Wonder was the sweetest, kindest, most awesome guy. And then i found out he was getting it on with lots of ladies in his time lol now that is really NOT BAD honestly. But, i thought him to be the ultimate saint.

Almost every artist i like has done crazy shit...

Bob Dylan- Stabbed someone, becase a preacher, coverted to another religion, then another, has never given a fuck about anything.

Ray Charles- Heroin addict, secret wives, the list goes on.

Jimmy Paige, Ted Nugent, Steven Tyler (50% of 70's rock stars)- Had relationships with girls who were like 12, 13. confused

Bruce Springsteen- Cheated on wife

Charles Mingus- Drug Abuser, Wife beater

James Brown- Hardcore wife beater and druggie.

Slash- Done every drug known to man

Aretha Franklin- A bitch and diva to many of her friends and fellow singers.

Lauryn Hill- Homewrecker, crazy rants, not paying taxes.

The Beatles- Multiple wife beastings, multiple drugs, multiple religions, Multiple wives in general multiple shade.

Pretty much put any artist there... and there is something.

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Reply #14 posted 12/17/13 6:22pm

Stymie

Once people start doing illegal shit, I'm out. I don't care if someone cheated on their spouse or did drugs because that's them fucking themselves up but when you talk about beating the shit out of someone or Fucking underage girls there is just no way for me to reconcile that.

Plus I didn't like Chris brown before this. In my opinion he can't sing so there is no internal struggle with hypocrisy like there may be other artists you named Guns.
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Reply #15 posted 12/17/13 7:35pm

aardvark15

Chris Brown beat a woman AND has no musicial talent
R. Kelly had sex with a girl who knew what she was doing and has some musical talent
See the difference?
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Reply #16 posted 12/17/13 8:29pm

Timmy84

aardvark15 said:

Chris Brown beat a woman AND has no musicial talent R. Kelly had sex with a molested a girl he had no business being with and has some musical talent.

Fixed.

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Reply #17 posted 12/17/13 8:42pm

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Stymie said:

People are never going to let the r Kelly fiasco go. Did you guys read what happened on his twitter feed? lol Fuck them both. They are both pieces of garbage.

I saw it last night. lol What's even more hilarious is the big blowout on Facebook

with Roland Martin's article on R.Kelly's legal troubles. Surprisingly there were a lot

of people who are disgusted by him getting a pass and being hailed as a musical

hero while his supporters made every excuse in the book for him like Let God be

his judge, this so and so artist made mistakes and why is this coming up now that he released a new album. Hell he's released 2 albums in the last 3 years before this one

and it didn't come up so how in the hell it's a conspiracy against him now. lol

I think the most telling statement from the people who thinks this guy is a slug to his supporters is yes you're gonna give him a pass because he makes records that make

you horny and dance but you're not gonna care unless someone molests your child.

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Reply #18 posted 12/17/13 8:57pm

Gunsnhalen

Where is neonlights? usually she is usually captain save a hoe for kells lol

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Reply #19 posted 12/18/13 4:54am

Stymie

aardvark15 said:

Chris Brown beat a woman AND has no musicial talent R. Kelly had sex with a girl who knew what she was doing and has some musical talent See the difference?

He married an underage girl, a minor.

If the allegations are true and he did have sex with that minor in the video, he is way more disgusting to me than Chris Brown.

She knew what she was doing? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. disbelief

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Reply #20 posted 12/18/13 4:56am

Stymie

Gunsnhalen said:

Where is neonlights? usually she is usually captain save a hoe for kells lol

You know Captain Save a Ho? Marry me. mushy

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Reply #21 posted 12/18/13 4:57am

Stymie

phunkdaddy said:

Stymie said:

People are never going to let the r Kelly fiasco go. Did you guys read what happened on his twitter feed? lol Fuck them both. They are both pieces of garbage.

I saw it last night. lol What's even more hilarious is the big blowout on Facebook

with Roland Martin's article on R.Kelly's legal troubles. Surprisingly there were a lot

of people who are disgusted by him getting a pass and being hailed as a musical

hero while his supporters made every excuse in the book for him like Let God be

his judge, this so and so artist made mistakes and why is this coming up now that he released a new album. Hell he's released 2 albums in the last 3 years before this one

and it didn't come up so how in the hell it's a conspiracy against him now. lol

I think the most telling statement from the people who thinks this guy is a slug to his supporters is yes you're gonna give him a pass because he makes records that make

you horny and dance but you're not gonna care unless someone molests your child.

They should ask these people if they would knowingly let Kells sleep with their minor daughters.

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Reply #22 posted 12/18/13 6:22am

uniden

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i have never liked r. kelly or chris brown's music. back in the 90's everyone around me seemed to be going nuts over r kelly's music, and i never could get into it.

be kind, be a friend, not a bully.
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Reply #23 posted 12/18/13 8:21am

Timmy84

Stymie said:

phunkdaddy said:

I saw it last night. lol What's even more hilarious is the big blowout on Facebook

with Roland Martin's article on R.Kelly's legal troubles. Surprisingly there were a lot

of people who are disgusted by him getting a pass and being hailed as a musical

hero while his supporters made every excuse in the book for him like Let God be

his judge, this so and so artist made mistakes and why is this coming up now that he released a new album. Hell he's released 2 albums in the last 3 years before this one

and it didn't come up so how in the hell it's a conspiracy against him now. lol

I think the most telling statement from the people who thinks this guy is a slug to his supporters is yes you're gonna give him a pass because he makes records that make

you horny and dance but you're not gonna care unless someone molests your child.

They should ask these people if they would knowingly let Kells sleep with their minor daughters.

IKR? It reminds me when MJ was being accused often of molestation and people defended that and then when asked "will you let YOUR child sleep with him?" And they all gave the same type of answer. Either "I'll break his fucking jaw if he ever tried" or "hell nah". I doubt they'll let R. Kelly have free range with their young daughters. Remember when George and Regina Daniels said "oh no he couldn't have possibly done it", then it turns out R. Kelly was sleeping with THEIR teen daughter and all of a sudden they realized R. Kelly's perversion wasn't no act but they were so happy to let R. Kelly use them as pawns in his music videos. rolleyes Guess that's what happens when you're not looking. Fuck R. Kelly and fuck Chris Brown.

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Reply #24 posted 12/18/13 12:11pm

babybugz

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Gunsnhalen said:

babybugz has a point... most artists are fucked up. And that is just the truth!


I used to think Stevie Wonder was the sweetest, kindest, most awesome guy. And then i found out he was getting it on with lots of ladies in his time lol now that is really NOT BAD honestly. But, i thought him to be the ultimate saint.

Almost every artist i like has done crazy shit...

Bob Dylan- Stabbed someone, becase a preacher, coverted to another religion, then another, has never given a fuck about anything.

Ray Charles- Heroin addict, secret wives, the list goes on.

Jimmy Paige, Ted Nugent, Steven Tyler (50% of 70's rock stars)- Had relationships with girls who were like 12, 13. confused

Bruce Springsteen- Cheated on wife

Charles Mingus- Drug Abuser, Wife beater

James Brown- Hardcore wife beater and druggie.

Slash- Done every drug known to man

Aretha Franklin- A bitch and diva to many of her friends and fellow singers.

Lauryn Hill- Homewrecker, crazy rants, not paying taxes.

The Beatles- Multiple wife beastings, multiple drugs, multiple religions, Multiple wives in general multiple shade.

Pretty much put any artist there... and there is something.

It's sad smh. I will say R. Kelly is the only suspect one music that I do like. Well his old music, his new stuff no comment. Not defending him at all, but I would be lying if I said I didn't like his old music. I just feel it's hard to get on people for listening to someone when they are also listening to an artist that is fucked up as well. lol

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Reply #25 posted 12/18/13 5:32pm

Gunsnhalen

eek damn...

I didn't realize it went THIS deep with Kells. Like years and years and years of accusations from girls.... sorry but this is just confused i didn't realize this was going on for years.

PLus he was cheating on his wife like it was a religion. And was controling... dude has got some fucking issues.

http://www.wbez.org/blogs/jim-derogatis/2013-07/timeline-life-and-career-r-kelly-107973

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

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Reply #26 posted 12/18/13 6:09pm

babybugz

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eek damn...

I didn't realize it went THIS deep with Kells. Like years and years and years of accusations from girls.... sorry but this is just confused i didn't realize this was going on for years.

PLus he was cheating on his wife like it was a religion. And was controling... dude has got some fucking issues.

http://www.wbez.org/blogs/jim-derogatis/2013-07/timeline-life-and-career-r-kelly-107973

Yeah I saw that confused eek Did you hear that this couple had him film them having sex when he was 8 years old? eek Wtf.

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Reply #27 posted 12/18/13 8:29pm

Timmy84

babybugz said:

Gunsnhalen said:

eek damn...

I didn't realize it went THIS deep with Kells. Like years and years and years of accusations from girls.... sorry but this is just confused i didn't realize this was going on for years.

PLus he was cheating on his wife like it was a religion. And was controling... dude has got some fucking issues.

http://www.wbez.org/blogs/jim-derogatis/2013-07/timeline-life-and-career-r-kelly-107973

Yeah I saw that confused eek Did you hear that this couple had him film them having sex when he was 8 years old? eek Wtf.

I'm just now reading that. But why did he turn around and do the same thing years later? Just... he should've gotten therapy. I honestly can't say I feel sympathy for him though. confused

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Reply #28 posted 12/18/13 8:59pm

babybugz

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Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Yeah I saw that confused eek Did you hear that this couple had him film them having sex when he was 8 years old? eek Wtf.

I'm just now reading that. But why did he turn around and do the same thing years later? Just... he should've gotten therapy. I honestly can't say I feel sympathy for him though. confused

I know. And apparently his mother did something to him as well. confused

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Reply #29 posted 12/18/13 9:06pm

Timmy84

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm just now reading that. But why did he turn around and do the same thing years later? Just... he should've gotten therapy. I honestly can't say I feel sympathy for him though. confused

I know. And apparently his mother did something to him as well. confused

I read that too. Dude was doomed from day one. confused

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