^ I dig this list

25. Diana Ross was not just a beautiful glamour girl and it is insulting how they compare her to the pop girls out now like she was just a pin up girl when she wasn't

26. Fiona Apple is one of the greatest songwriters of all time

27. Mint Condition are a hardworking group of men but you will never know that unless you go to Prince.org

28. Prince is underrated as a showman

29. Teena Marie is underrated as a musician and a songwriter

30. Kelis does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself

31. Music critics are FULL of bullsh^%

32. Its safe to say the Rock Hall of Fame is a joke now

33. The industry snubs the legendary black bands and artists because they don't care about them

34. It is a "inside industry pack or agreement" to publicly kiss certain artists ass

35. It is also a inside industry agreement or pack to publicly make excessive negative remarks about certain artists.

36. Tamia is underrated

37. Donell Jones is underrated

38. Erykah Badu does not give a f^&* about the critics or about being more popular she is content with where she is at and loves what she does.

39. Brandy deserves WAY MORE props. She comes out with back to back solid R&B albums and is constantly overlooked. Despite it all, she still remains humble and thankful.

mjscarousal said:

^ I dig this list

25. Diana Ross was not just a beautiful glamour girl and it is insulting how they compare her to the pop girls out now like she was just a pin up girl when she wasn't

26. Fiona Apple is one of the greatest songwriters of all time

27. Mint Condition are a hardworking group of men but you will never know that unless you go to Prince.org

28. Prince is underrated as a showman

29. Teena Marie is underrated as a musician and a songwriter

30. Kelis does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself

31. Music critics are FULL of bullsh^%

32. Its safe to say the Rock Hall of Fame is a joke now

33. The industry snubs the legendary black bands and artists because they don't care about them

34. It is a "inside industry pack or agreement" to publicly kiss certain artists ass

35. It is also a inside industry agreement or pack to publicly make excessive negative remarks about certain artists.

36. Tamia is underrated

37. Donell Jones is underrated

38. Erykah Badu does not give a f^&* about the critics or about being more popular she is content with where she is at and loves what she does.

39. Brandy deserves WAY MORE props. She comes out with back to back solid R&B albums and is constantly overlooked. Despite it all, she still remains humble and thankful.

man this is a good-ass list.

Teena was a very strong musician. Sad, that people forget that.

I saw Prince on his first night on the ''21 days at the forum in Inglewood'' 5 fucking encores. That was incredible.

Kelis maybe only really known for milkshake. But her albums are great, and vary in topics. Her eccentric vibe doesn't come off forced.

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^

Thanks Guns! Prince is phenomenal on stage! I actually didn't realize just how technical Teena was as an artist. She wrote majority of her early hits herself and composed most of them as well. Kelis is dope and her style is authentic. I hope she never changes. Nice thread!

mjscarousal said:

^

Thanks Guns! Prince is phenomenal on stage! I actually didn't realize just how technical Teena was as an artist. She wrote majority of her early hits herself and composed most of them as well. Kelis is dope and her style is authentic. I hope she never changes. Nice thread!

I didn't think it would be so popular i'm glad it is

Timmy84 said:

I'll add a few more:

Whitney was one of the greatest vocalists (pop, soul, gospel, etc.) of the last 30 years and her death signaled the end of a special era in music.

The original Isley Brothers (Ron, Rudy and Kelly) were the First Family of Soul, not the Stairsteps or the Jackson 5.

Something/Anything? by Todd Rundgren was the greatest double album release ever.

Funkadelic's Westbound recordings > Warner Bros recordings

R. Kelly was the most overrated R&B artist of the '90s and beyond.

Aretha Franklin's vocals as a child > Stevie Wonder's and MJ's vocals as children

"Human Nature" is the best song MJ ever did.

Motown had more grit in their recordings than anyone gives them credit for (especially the Soul recordings).

The Kinks and The Who were better representatives of British rock versus the Rolling Stones and the Beatles.

The Stones' material got basic after Mick Taylor's departure.

The L.A., released mix of What's Going On > the original Detroit mix

INXS and Def Leppard were the best rock bands of the 1980s.

Absolutely Timmy.

mjscarousal said:

^ I dig this list

25. Diana Ross was not just a beautiful glamour girl and it is insulting how they compare her to the pop girls out now like she was just a pin up girl when she wasn't

26. Fiona Apple is one of the greatest songwriters of all time

27. Mint Condition are a hardworking group of men but you will never know that unless you go to Prince.org

28. Prince is underrated as a showman

29. Teena Marie is underrated as a musician and a songwriter

30. Kelis does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself

31. Music critics are FULL of bullsh^%

32. Its safe to say the Rock Hall of Fame is a joke now

33. The industry snubs the legendary black bands and artists because they don't care about them

34. It is a "inside industry pack or agreement" to publicly kiss certain artists ass

35. It is also a inside industry agreement or pack to publicly make excessive negative remarks about certain artists.

36. Tamia is underrated

37. Donell Jones is underrated

38. Erykah Badu does not give a f^&* about the critics or about being more popular she is content with where she is at and loves what she does.

39. Brandy deserves WAY MORE props. She comes out with back to back solid R&B albums and is constantly overlooked. Despite it all, she still remains humble and thankful.

How's that? Prince has a repetition as being the ultimate showman of his generation.

kewlschool said:

mjscarousal said:

^ I dig this list

25. Diana Ross was not just a beautiful glamour girl and it is insulting how they compare her to the pop girls out now like she was just a pin up girl when she wasn't

26. Fiona Apple is one of the greatest songwriters of all time

27. Mint Condition are a hardworking group of men but you will never know that unless you go to Prince.org

28. Prince is underrated as a showman

29. Teena Marie is underrated as a musician and a songwriter

30. Kelis does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself

31. Music critics are FULL of bullsh^%

32. Its safe to say the Rock Hall of Fame is a joke now

33. The industry snubs the legendary black bands and artists because they don't care about them

34. It is a "inside industry pack or agreement" to publicly kiss certain artists ass

35. It is also a inside industry agreement or pack to publicly make excessive negative remarks about certain artists.

36. Tamia is underrated

37. Donell Jones is underrated

38. Erykah Badu does not give a f^&* about the critics or about being more popular she is content with where she is at and loves what she does.

39. Brandy deserves WAY MORE props. She comes out with back to back solid R&B albums and is constantly overlooked. Despite it all, she still remains humble and thankful.

How's that? Prince has a repetition as being the ultimate showman of his generation.

He is definitly one of them but I've never heard that. I think currently his reputation is mainly for his musicianship, artistry and songwriting. I hardly ever hear the industry recognize him as a performer or entertainer specifically. I think his stage presense and showmanship could get a little bit more credit. I am not saying that he doesnt get any credit whatsoever in that area but I think he deserves more.

novabrkr said:

dseann said:

I've stated in this thread already that I don't find her attractive(especially without her wigs/weaves) and that her voice isn't that impressive. But I don't see how you could argue with her being a feminist. What in her actions has she done to contradict her beliefs that women are equal to men? How has she shown her naivety in her understanding of the ideology of feminism? Please enlighten me.

If you don't understand the difference between ignorant people calling Prince "gay" and people that actually understand what feminism is criticizing Beyonce for her poor understanding of what feminism is about there's no sense whatsoever in continuing any kind of a debate with you.

Forget the Prince being gay reference. I'm not even entertaining that. My question is about Beyonce. You ignored the question all together.

mjscarousal said:

^ I dig this list

25. Diana Ross was not just a beautiful glamour girl and it is insulting how they compare her to the pop girls out now like she was just a pin up girl when she wasn't

26. Fiona Apple is one of the greatest songwriters of all time

27. Mint Condition are a hardworking group of men but you will never know that unless you go to Prince.org

28. Prince is underrated as a showman

29. Teena Marie is underrated as a musician and a songwriter

30. Kelis does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself

31. Music critics are FULL of bullsh^%

32. Its safe to say the Rock Hall of Fame is a joke now

33. The industry snubs the legendary black bands and artists because they don't care about them

34. It is a "inside industry pack or agreement" to publicly kiss certain artists ass

35. It is also a inside industry agreement or pack to publicly make excessive negative remarks about certain artists.

36. Tamia is underrated

37. Donell Jones is underrated

38. Erykah Badu does not give a f^&* about the critics or about being more popular she is content with where she is at and loves what she does.

39. Brandy deserves WAY MORE props. She comes out with back to back solid R&B albums and is constantly overlooked. Despite it all, she still remains humble and thankful.

Carousal, I'm afraid you're trying too hard on number 28. I ask you to produce us with any

review of Prince's live shows, past and present, where he wasn't given props for being

consummate in all regards of musical show business. In fact, Prince was recently ranked as

the second greatest live act this year by Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.c...w-20130731


This is what happens to lists like this: people try too hard to be controversial!

npgmaverick said:

My unpopular music opinions (as always, your mileage may vary)

-3121 is the best pop album of Prince's career

-Fergie was not the reason the Black Eyed Peas fell off because Elephunk is a fantastic album

-KRS-One was so far ahead of his time it actually frightens me

-Lady Gaga is not an avant garde performance artist. She is a pop star who wears funny clothes

-Madonna should have won an Oscar for Evita

-Nikka Costa is tragically underrated.

-If Kurt Cobain was alive today Nirvana would be considered no more musically important than any other band of their ilk

-Britney Spears is now too old to be Britney Spears

You are out of your mind about 3121, but I agree with you about Nikka Costa and I laughed

out loud after reading your quip on Lady Gaga and Britney Spears.

mjscarousal said:

kewlschool said:

How's that? Prince has a repetition as being the ultimate showman of his generation.

He is definitly one of them but I've never heard that. I think currently his reputation is mainly for his musicianship, artistry and songwriting. I hardly ever hear the industry recognize him as a performer or entertainer specifically. I think his stage presense and showmanship could get a little bit more credit. I am not saying that he doesnt get any credit whatsoever in that area but I think he deserves more.

His reputation is that he is great live performer. If you don't believe me just read the ticketmaster reviews from ticket holders (hundreds of them.) or Chris Rock during the Prince VH1 interview. 21 nights in London and Musicology tour reflect that Prince indeed is a great live act (Both huge success.)

My unpopular opinions.

Most R&B and hip-hop muisc is unlistenable these days, as much of it is programmed through Casio keyboard-style computer equipment.

Mariah Carey, while she will never be on the level of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, and Marvin Gaye as a songwriter, is criminally disrespected and unrecognized for her songwriting abilities. Most people are unaware that she has written most of her hit songs.

While most music critics list Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band as the greatest rock and roll album of all time, it's arguably not even the best album the Beatles ever recorded (e.g., The White Album, Revolver).

Chris Brown is being unfairly excessively dumped upon for his idiotic transgressions and made to look like a murderous criminal while other acts from the past have committed far worse transgressions but had them glossed over by the media (Ozzy Osbourne, Vince Neil, James Brown, Snoop Dogg).

KISS was always a sellout band.

Bob Seger and John Mellencamp made as much compelling working-man's music as Bruce Springsteen but aren't recognized as much for it since they both came from smaller towns in the Midwest and not near a major metropolitan area (NY-NJ).

Sisqo was one of the more underrated R&B singers of his generation. He sang some incredibly good, strong tunes with Dru Hill and even had some great singles of his own, but lost his credibility and was unfairly listed as a novelty artist after the "Thong Song" blew up.

Kanye West is becoming the Brian Wilson of hip-hop. An incredibly tallented artist yet is becoming more bizarre publicly and even in his musical stylings.

Beyonce is probably the most talented woman in pop music and has been for the last decade, and she is incredibly beautful to match. Having said that, even though I'm a fan of her music, something about her has always left me feeling cold towrds her.

kewlschool said:

mjscarousal said:

He is definitly one of them but I've never heard that. I think currently his reputation is mainly for his musicianship, artistry and songwriting. I hardly ever hear the industry recognize him as a performer or entertainer specifically. I think his stage presense and showmanship could get a little bit more credit. I am not saying that he doesnt get any credit whatsoever in that area but I think he deserves more.

His reputation is that he is great live performer. If you don't believe me just read the ticketmaster reviews from ticket holders (hundreds of them.) or Chris Rock during the Prince VH1 interview. 21 nights in London and Musicology tour reflect that Prince indeed is a great live act (Both huge success.)

The success of his tours has nothing to do with how the industry mostly views him though.

Like I said, I didn't say that he doesnt get recognition AT ALL for his live performances. For the most part, I think what he does as an overall artist and musician gets more praised by the industry compared to his showmanship skills, his ability to entertain with his voice etc (not that he does not get praised for that as well) but I think he can get more. If some people disagree with that, fine... but thats MY opinion.

[Edited 12/31/13 20:42pm]

mjscarousal said:

kewlschool said:

His reputation is that he is great live performer. If you don't believe me just read the ticketmaster reviews from ticket holders (hundreds of them.) or Chris Rock during the Prince VH1 interview. 21 nights in London and Musicology tour reflect that Prince indeed is a great live act (Both huge success.)

The success of his tours has nothing to do with how the industry mostly views him though.

Like I said, I didn't say that he doesnt get recognition AT ALL for his live performances. For the most part, I think what he does as an overall artist and musician gets more praised by the industry compared to his showmanship skills, his ability to entertain with his voice etc (not that he does not get praised for that as well) but I think he can get more. If some people disagree with that, fine... but thats MY opinion.

[Edited 12/31/13 20:42pm]

Yeah, you're entitled to your opinion. But it is an uninformed opinion. Prince is not an underrated

live performer. How can he be, if Rolling Stone magazine is hailing him as the second greatest

live performer on the scene right now? You can even head over to his write up in the Rock N Roll

Hall of Fame website where it salivates over how great a showman Prince is!

728huey said:

My unpopular opinions.

Most R&B and hip-hop muisc is unlistenable these days, as much of it is programmed through Casio keyboard-style computer equipment.

Mariah Carey, while she will never be on the level of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, and Marvin Gaye as a songwriter, is criminally disrespected and unrecognized for her songwriting abilities. Most people are unaware that she has written most of her hit songs.

While most music critics list Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band as the greatest rock and roll album of all time, it's arguably not even the best album the Beatles ever recorded (e.g., The White Album, Revolver).

Chris Brown is being unfairly excessively dumped upon for his idiotic transgressions and made to look like a murderous criminal while other acts from the past have committed far worse transgressions but had them glossed over by the media (Ozzy Osbourne, Vince Neil, James Brown, Snoop Dogg).

KISS was always a sellout band.

Bob Seger and John Mellencamp made as much compelling working-man's music as Bruce Springsteen but aren't recognized as much for it since they both came from smaller towns in the Midwest and not near a major metropolitan area (NY-NJ).

Sisqo was one of the more underrated R&B singers of his generation. He sang some incredibly good, strong tunes with Dru Hill and even had some great singles of his own, but lost his credibility and was unfairly listed as a novelty artist after the "Thong Song" blew up.

Kanye West is becoming the Brian Wilson of hip-hop. An incredibly tallented artist yet is becoming more bizarre publicly and even in his musical stylings.

Beyonce is probably the most talented woman in pop music and has been for the last decade, and she is incredibly beautful to match. Having said that, even though I'm a fan of her music, something about her has always left me feeling cold towrds her.

One artist past criminal or unruly behavior doesn't excuse the behavior of current said

artist. I hear this all the time when R Kelly come up. Since Marvin Gaye, James Brown, and Jerry Lee Lewis(whom I know very little about or pay any attention to) did this and did that in the past it's okay to excuse R Kelly behavior. I don't have any issue with Chris Brown except when he makes an ass of himself on social media. I don't even care about

the nonsense with Rihanna but unfortunately he made that bed so he has to lie in it.

Remember the key thing you said was his idiotic transgressions not the media's idiotic

transgressions.

[Edited 1/1/14 9:02am]

The only reason Chris Brown is being condemned is because his victim happens to be more famous than him. Michael Jackson, R Kelly and earlier abusers all victimized people that the public neither knew nor cared about. That's the difference.

^^And again, the condescending, ignorant fool, who thinks he knows it all, rears his ugly head.

728huey said:

My unpopular opinions.

Most R&B and hip-hop muisc is unlistenable these days, as much of it is programmed through Casio keyboard-style computer equipment.

Mariah Carey, while she will never be on the level of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, and Marvin Gaye as a songwriter, is criminally disrespected and unrecognized for her songwriting abilities. Most people are unaware that she has written most of her hit songs.

While most music critics list Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band as the greatest rock and roll album of all time, it's arguably not even the best album the Beatles ever recorded (e.g., The White Album, Revolver). Yes! Totally agree with you! Revolver is a much better album lyrically and musically than Sgt Pepper!

Chris Brown is being unfairly excessively dumped upon for his idiotic transgressions and made to look like a murderous criminal while other acts from the past have committed far worse transgressions but had them glossed over by the media (Ozzy Osbourne, Vince Neil, James Brown, Snoop Dogg).

KISS was always a sellout band.

Bob Seger and John Mellencamp made as much compelling working-man's music as Bruce Springsteen but aren't recognized as much for it since they both came from smaller towns in the Midwest and not near a major metropolitan area (NY-NJ). Truth! I love Springsteen but Mellencamp always had that umph to his music and kept it real!

Sisqo was one of the more underrated R&B singers of his generation. He sang some incredibly good, strong tunes with Dru Hill and even had some great singles of his own, but lost his credibility and was unfairly listed as a novelty artist after the "Thong Song" blew up.

Kanye West is becoming the Brian Wilson of hip-hop. An incredibly tallented artist yet is becoming more bizarre publicly and even in his musical stylings.

Beyonce is probably the most talented woman in pop music and has been for the last decade, and she is incredibly beautful to match. Having said that, even though I'm a fan of her music, something about her has always left me feeling cold towrds her.

Beyonce is probably the most talented woman in pop music and has been for the last decade, and she is incredibly beautful to match. Having said that, even though I'm a fan of her music, something about her has always left me feeling cold towrds her.

Wow, i give her props on her work ethic and yes she's not bad on the eyes, her chops are decent, but i wouldn't give her most talented woman in pop music label. (not sure who WOULD get it, but she wouldn't). i think your coldness towards her is telling, something doesn't register huh. For me, i think she's shallow and tries too hard. Even the "raunch" thats coming to the surface on this album is an attempt to get some of that Rhianna saturation. She's trying to be "edgy"

PatrickS77 said:

^^And again, the condescending, ignorant fool, who thinks he knows it all, rears his ugly head.

I was going to argue with you here, but the intellectual power in your post, the sheer sophistication of it, is too overwhelming.

midnightmover said:

The only reason Chris Brown is being condemned is because his victim happens to be more famous than him. Michael Jackson, R Kelly and earlier abusers all victimized people that the public neither knew nor cared about. That's the difference.

Maybe not the ONLY reason, but if you throw in beloved figures like John Bonham and James Brown, I think there's something to this. Same is true for Ike Turner. He will always be "wife beater and musician Ike Turner" in the eyes of history.

I read this account of the R Kelly controversy last week and my stomach did indeed churn a little bit.

http://blogs.villagevoice...stomac.php

But he's got no shortage of people ready to stand up behind him this year. It's interesting how that just kind of fizzled out. I guess because charges were never brought, everyone let it go.

That brings up the whole other question of, what do you do when someone who's art you like expresses nasty/ ignorant views or even commits a nasty crime? Does it tarnish the art? Should it? I don't have an easy answer. But it's easy to see there is a double standard about famous abusers.

Like, what's your opinion of the women John Bonham beat up? Hmm, hard to say, I never met them. What's your opinion of Rhianna? Oh well I like her, she seems nice and has a nice voice.

Somehow, knowing that Rhianna got smacked around feels like it happened to someone I know. Even though of course I don't know her. But I have a generally favorable impression of her. So somehow it bugs me that something happened to her more than an anonymous person. Number one, I believe her. We've all seen the picture.

But even if there WAS photo evidence of an anonymous woman beaten up by one of those other guys, wouldn't a lot of people assume that it was just her boyfriend that did it to her and she is just trying to get someone else's fame and money?

1. I don't know how to put this, but everybody who said that he invented something in music is a liar. Everyone is influenced by something.. You can't invent something because you're so blinded by the greatness of the greats you feel you have to look up to them every now and then, A FEW really done something new in music, but that would be in the same era, like, one copies takes inspiration from the other.

2. Eminem is not underrated, but he's not overrated either, I never realized why the org hated/hates him, he's simply a great lyricist and rapper, and him being the first white ever to slay rap and hip hop music doesn't mean he's bad, not at all.. Has his ups and downs, but unlike any other major sensation, Em is actually very good and different.

3. Johnny Greenwood is the cleverest & genius one in Radiohead... Just see his work in There Will be Blood's OST... or The Master's OST.

4. Bruno Mars' music is not THAT good, we all get it, so why everybody here bitches about his corny lyrics or lame music afterall? Like The Beatles' first music shaped up Rock and roll? Like Jackson 5 first tunes had something special? An artist grows and the dude is growing musically... Plus all this, why can't we admit that he's one of the few mainstream acts who puts DECENT shows and has a decent talent. Music isn't everything, there comes the showmanship and "can you entertain me?".

5. Billie Jean remains as MJ's best and most famous work, he wrote that song, he composed it with Quincy, he had everything to do with it not to mention he forced Quincy to get that into the final cut of Thriller album... and above all that, the lyrics were somehow an enduring soundtrack for the life of every artist.

6. Sting is very underrated.. and one thing many don't know is that he helped music industry by making reggae famous in the UK.. See, UK without The Police would be only listenting to only Bob Marley.

7. Pink's Grammy performance is by far the best grammy performance of all time, it's new, different and unlike anything we saw; It was art.

8. Which brings me to the next point, wether we like it or not, GRAMMYs are the only platform for you to get recognized... You don't care about the line up of shitty ass performers, or the music that's nominated, it's the oscars for music... the highest praise (Besides being an inductee of a HOF - Which is impossible if you're new).

9. Mariah Carey is the best vocalist of all time, hands down.

10. Smooth Criminal's bassline is most the famous bassline in history, because a regular citizen wouldn't know what a bassline is, but if you imitate THAT, he would get what you're talking about, it's all over the place.

11. Everybody owes heck of lot for Elvis Presley... He's the first ever to be a mainstream showman, to put rules on stage (and Little Richard IS influenced by that).. After that, JB, MJ, Prince and others were doing the same....

12. Frank Ocean is the best R&B musician of this time.

13. Miguel, on the other hand, the best R&B guy, like, R&B thing-wise, he does that effortlessly.

40. There are no (music) Icons or legends of todays generation and if things continue like it is... there never will be

41. Aaliyah has classic albums and she had a interesting personality which is why people are still interested in her

42. There hasn't been a hip hop producer in recent years that has been as creative/innovative as

J Dilla.

43. D Angelo and Lauryn Hill have classics and will always be respected artistically as well as for their talent regardless of their personal issues, nothing will never change that.

44. People confuse good work ethic with overexposure and a million dollar backing. There are plenty of musicians and artists that have good work ethic that are not plastered all over magazines.

45. Anthony Hamilton is underrated

46. En Vogue are the best modern day vocal girl group

47. Jodeci was better than Boys II Men

48. Chuck Brown deserves more props for his eclectic style in music. He wasn't just go-go.

59. Little Richard is the real king of Rock n Roll

50. Eminem is overrated-his older material is good (pre-2003) but he is not one of the "greats"

51. It is inhumanly possible to choose a best Michael Jackson song

52. TLC are the best modern day girl group

53. The Jackson boys- (Jermaine, Jackie, Marlon, Tito, Randy,) were all talented in their own way and were good performers in their prime. Their "Jacksons" albums with MJ are actually very underrated

54. Fantasia is underrated- one of the best r&b/soul singers out right now. I am not her biggest fan but she out sings all the female mainstream singers out today

55. Bone Thugs-n- Harmony are underrated

bobzilla77 said:

midnightmover said:

The only reason Chris Brown is being condemned is because his victim happens to be more famous than him. Michael Jackson, R Kelly and earlier abusers all victimized people that the public neither knew nor cared about. That's the difference.

Maybe not the ONLY reason, but if you throw in beloved figures like John Bonham and James Brown, I think there's something to this. Same is true for Ike Turner. He will always be "wife beater and musician Ike Turner" in the eyes of history.

I read this account of the R Kelly controversy last week and my stomach did indeed churn a little bit.

http://blogs.villagevoice...stomac.php

But he's got no shortage of people ready to stand up behind him this year. It's interesting how that just kind of fizzled out. I guess because charges were never brought, everyone let it go.

That brings up the whole other question of, what do you do when someone who's art you like expresses nasty/ ignorant views or even commits a nasty crime? Does it tarnish the art? Should it? I don't have an easy answer. But it's easy to see there is a double standard about famous abusers.

Like, what's your opinion of the women John Bonham beat up? Hmm, hard to say, I never met them. What's your opinion of Rhianna? Oh well I like her, she seems nice and has a nice voice.

Somehow, knowing that Rhianna got smacked around feels like it happened to someone I know. Even though of course I don't know her. But I have a generally favorable impression of her. So somehow it bugs me that something happened to her more than an anonymous person. Number one, I believe her. We've all seen the picture.

But even if there WAS photo evidence of an anonymous woman beaten up by one of those other guys, wouldn't a lot of people assume that it was just her boyfriend that did it to her and she is just trying to get someone else's fame and money?

Jesus, that R. Kelly stuff really is disgusting. I had no idea he was that bad. The parallels with MJ (and Jimmy Saville here in the UK) are obvious. In all cases fame makes everyone look the other way. Like the guy said in that interview, all the incriminating info is out there, but journalists don't report it. Exact same thing with MJ. His sperm traces were found on the fucking bed along with the sperm of two unidentified males. Completely unreported in the media. People are nowhere near as moral as they like to think they are.

We show the same hypocrisy when we condemn Ike Turner and Chris Brown. Their victims are more famous than them, so we sympathize with the victims in that case. We ignore the victims otherwise.

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Hopefully it's obvious that ANYONE doing that stuff needs to be condemned whether their music is good or bad.

DeRogatis makes a point about why he can still listen to Zep and James Brown despite their histories by saying, there are no pro-rape Zeppelin songs, there are no James Brown songs about beating up women. But R Kelly really did put out a record called Age Ain't Nothing But A Number.

I think that makes sense. I still wouldn't want to listen to something like Manson or Lostprophets music though even if I'd heard it was great stuff... sometimes the people behind the art are just too disturbing.

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Prince is the 'Hitman' of the Music Industry (The best there is, The best there was & the best there ever will be) Simply the Excellence of Execution!

Anthony Hamilton and Eric Benet are criminaly underrated as RnB singers

Eminem shits on other Hip Hop Artist. MMLP2 gets a C+ production wise and an A- lyrically. Too many samples. Overall a solid B

J Cole gets no love. A shame too. 'Born Sinner' is quite a refreshing treat.

Kanye West 'Yeezus' is an over sampled, convoluted mess. The fuck was he thinking?

Beyonce will be an 'Icon' and 'Legend' in the Music Business when it's all said and done. Like it or not.

I like Miley Cyrus for some reason. Will never buy her music but I like her.

Michael Jackson doesn't need anymore accolades for any reason. Enough already with that madness.

Whitney Houston was Awesome. Miss that Bad Bitch!

Public Enemy is the Greatest Rap group of all time. NWA is a close second.

Once you get the stigma of being a pedophile on you, does not matter how many hits you've had your legacy is forever tarnished.

Pearl Jam has the best name in Rock Band History. Guns n Roses is second.

Pearl Jam has the best name in Rock Band History. Guns n Roses is second.

My vote goes to the Strangulated Beatoffs.

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Prince is the 'Hitman' of the Music Industry (The best there is, The best there was & the best there ever will be) Simply the Excellence of Execution!

Anthony Hamilton and Eric Benet are criminaly underrated as RnB singers

Eminem shits on other Hip Hop Artist. MMLP2 gets a C+ production wise and an A- lyrically. Too many samples. Overall a solid B

J Cole gets no love. A shame too. 'Born Sinner' is quite a refreshing treat.

Kanye West 'Yeezus' is an over sampled, convoluted mess. The fuck was he thinking?

Beyonce will be an 'Icon' and 'Legend' in the Music Business when it's all said and done. Like it or not.

I like Miley Cyrus for some reason. Will never buy her music but I like her.

Michael Jackson doesn't need anymore accolades for any reason. Enough already with that madness.

Whitney Houston was Awesome. Miss that Bad Bitch!

Public Enemy is the Greatest Rap group of all time. NWA is a close second.

Once you get the stigma of being a pedophile on you, does not matter how many hits you've had your legacy is forever tarnished.

Pearl Jam has the best name in Rock Band History. Guns n Roses is second.

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This!

I've been trying to figure it out and the only thing that I can come up with is the whole sad Keep-it-real culture of today's rap artists. Just look at Drake. People seem to love him because of his seemingly autobiographical themes, which seems to be endless tales of new money, old girlfriends, fake new friends and opportunisitc girls. That's it. Whereas J Cole isn't solely interested in autobiography but in telling a compelling story. Storytelling isn't quite as popular as "reality-tv" style songwriting. That's my theory.

Mariah Carey is a poor performer.

James Brown's voice is underrated.

Ike Turner deserves more credit.

Prince was more talented muscially than MJ.

Diana Ross' voice is pretty but weak as compared to her counterparts.

Beyonce is a legend.

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