purple1968 said:

TLC had a lawyer he was Pebbles lawyer as well.(LOL) Pebbles also turned down endoresement deals for TLC with Coke and other companies. She was incompentent as a manager. These girls did not even make any money went they went out on tour.

I never understand why some recording artists assume that they automatically have the skills to manage other artists.Being an artist and a manager are two different things.Pebbles was nothing more than a recording artist...she didn't have the skills needed to manage anybody.Where is the logic in turning down lucrative endorsement deals that TLC were being offered??

SoulAlive said:

purple1968 said:

TLC had a lawyer he was Pebbles lawyer as well.(LOL) Pebbles also turned down endoresement deals for TLC with Coke and other companies. She was incompentent as a manager. These girls did not even make any money went they went out on tour.

I never understand why some recording artists assume that they automatically have the skills to manage other artists.Being an artist and a manager are two different things.Pebbles was nothing more than a recording artist...she didn't have the skills needed to manage anybody.Where is the logic in turning down lucrative endorsement deals that TLC were being offered??

I don't think Pebbles would be in the position without her husband. HE was the owner of the record label, and it seems the wife was looking for a second career.

SHE’S THE LAW: TLC’s ‘Bad Business’ With Pebbles Explained

TLC’s Contracts With Pe...oBeautiful

With the VH1 produced TLC Biopic debuting tonight, fans, old and new, plan on tuning in to either get further insight into the story of the bestselling girl’s group of all time, or to just become familiar with everything they have endured from successes to failures. It is no secret that TLC (T Boz, Left Eye and Chilli) had a tumultuous relationship with their former manager, Perri “Pebbles” Reid. Claims of greed, manipulation, conflicts of interest and ultimate bankruptcy have circled over the group and their former manager for years.

The specific claims made by the group against Pebbles were that, at a young age, they signed a contract with Pebbles which was extremely one sided. According to interviews past and present, the three ladies signed a management agreement with Peebles which gave her ownership in the name TLC along with an alleged grossly unfair percentage in their earnings. It was also reported that TLC was not provided a copy of their original contract, they utilized the same attorneys and accountants as Pebbles when negotiating their contracts and ultimately had to pay her $3 Million Dollars ($1 Million per TLC letter) in order to obtain ownership of the TLC name.

A management contract, specifically in the music industry, is generally either a business management contract, personal management contract or a culmination of both. A business manager is responsible for most financial and accounting services of an artist and a personal manager handles day to day matters along with assisting in securing deals, performances, etc.

When a new artist signs a management agreement with someone who has extensive experience in the industry, these agreements are unfortunately most times one sided in favor of the manager. New artist development takes a lot of time, money and contacts which most times come directly from the manager. A manager can provide services for months and years at a time without receiving a return on their investment and/or any form or compensation as it takes time to build a new artist. Many people may not be aware, but most managers spend thousands of dollars in building and supporting a new artist before the artist makes one red cent.

dreaminaboutu said:

I think Dallas Austin and Andre Rison should protest their bad casting. Was that Diana Ross's kid... I mean really. Were there no other actors who wanted these parts?

And the dude who played Dalvin looked nothing like him.

Movie was pretty awful. Lil Mama was great as Left Eye and saves this movie in my opinion. It was still hard to watch more than the first hour.

Some interesting news-original member Crystal gave an interview on a radio station in Atlanta this morning telling her side of the story. I didn't get to hear it but I read that she said she was kicked out of the group for refusing to sign the contract. She apparently wanted her mother to look to look at it first but Pebbles demanded she sign it on the spot and was kicked out when she said no. According to Crystal, it had nothing to do with her singing/performing abilities.

In interviews we've seen from both Pebbles and TLC, Pebbles and T-Boz both said Crystal's performing wasn't up to snuff...

So who knows but interesting to hear anyway.

dreaminaboutu said:

Okay so here is a question. If the airing and re-airing of this movie contribute to additional sales how is that money going to be split ?

TLC had to buy their name from Pebbles for $3 million. They have current agreements as the band continued to earn money previous to this movie.

3rdeyedude said:

Movie was pretty awful. Lil Mama was great as Left Eye and saves this movie in my opinion. It was still hard to watch more than the first hour.

It did seem more like an "after school special," I will admit. Then, it was rather odd how at the end of the movie (after Left Eye died), it fast-forwarded and said "10 years later..."

The gals reunited in the studio and quickly caught-up in an exchange of, "Girl, you lookin' good!" "So are you girl!" "How's your health?" "Doin' okay." "How's you child?" "Good." "How's your child?" "Doin' fine." "See, it appears things turned-out as they were meant to be!" (Then we got the final scene, of the actual T and C recording their new song, "Meant to Be." It was as if we were to assume the girls haven't talked to each other until this particular day in the studio. No mention of T on "The Celebrity Apprentice" or their search for a new member (remember that contest?) or their own reality show.

And now, my question is if you think this is meant to be a re-launch of the group. Will there be another album anytime soon, beyond the new "20"?

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jackson35 said:

tlc was not ready for any type of endorsment deals at the time because they were a wild bunch and peebles knew that.

I disagree.At the height of their popularity,they should have been allowed to make as much money as they could.They weren't making very much money from their actual record sales,so those endorsement deals would have came in handy!

SoulAlive said:

jackson35 said:

tlc was not ready for any type of endorsment deals at the time because they were a wild bunch and peebles knew that.

I disagree.At the height of their popularity,they should have been allowed to make as much money as they could.They weren't making very much money from their actual record sales,so those endorsement deals would have came in handy!

Wouldn't it make sense that if TLC was being offered endorsement deals early on that Pebbles would would be in favor of it? After all, if the group is getting paid millions for them, she'd get part of it? At the very least provide some guidance as to which deals to accept if she thought they weren't ready.

VH1's 'CrazySexyCool: The TLC Story' scores big in ratings

Pulling in 4.5 million viewers Monday night, VH1 scored the highest-rated original cable movie of 2013 with CrazySexyCool: The TLC Story, the biopic that chronicles the R&B group’s rise to fame. CrazySexyCoolscored a 2.9 rating in the 18-49 demographic and a 5.5 rating for women 18-34, making it VH1’s highest-rated original movie ever.

In addition to ratings, CrazySexyCool also took hold of Twitter: According to SocialGuide, the TV movie was the most-tweeted program on TV last night, generating 1.92 million tweets with the hashtag #CrazySexyCool.

CrazySexyCool: The TLC Story tells the story of Rozonda “Chilli” Thomas (KeKe Palmer), Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes (Lil Mama), and Tionne “T-Boz” Watkins (Drew Sidora) and how they became one of the best-selling female groups of all time before losing one of their own.

http://insidetv.ew.com/20...ysexycool/

Cinny said:

I can't get VH1. How can I watch this?

I watched it yesterday- it was AWESOME and Lil Mama really kicked ass as Left Eye.

Check your orgnotes about 30 minutes after this is posted

Got a feeling that both parties are kind of glad that they're back in the news for a moment.

robertlove said:

SoulAlive said:

Pebbles needs to shut her mouth and sit down She can deny it all she wants,but she had these girls signed to a lousy deal that didn't even pay them alot of money.She did them wrong and everything should be revealed in the movie.

I never understand these comments, you hear them a lot in the music industry. Did anybody force TLC to sign the deal? A deal involves 2, after the deal is sealed you can´t say you don´t agree with the deal.

You shouldn´t have signed it in the first place than!

That´s the way it goes in any business, why is in the music industry you hear the artist got a lousy deal?

These were not girls like Beyonce Knowles with a corporate executive turned manager family members looking out for them, they didn't have anyone to walk them through the process.

These were young kids going for their dream, and saw the deal as a chance to make it come true.

The issue here for me is that Pebbles used her attorney and accountant to handle the girls' legal work as well, which is clearly a conflict of interest. The girls, being about 19 years old at the time and coming from backgrounds with no who could help them understand what they were signing, admit that at that age they didn't even know what the phrase "conflict of interest" meant. They honestly believed that this all worked like a family atmosphere and the attorneys and accountants had their best interest at heart. It was naiveté, and that can happen when you're 19.

The movie was good..really cleared up a lot and I'm pretty convinced Pebbles was basically a crook. Glad to hear she found Jesus because the way she's behaved in business at the expense of others I'm pretty sure she bought herself a first class ticket to hell.

Shard said:

This week T-Boz and Chilli are making the media rounds promoting their upcoming VH1 movie that will air next monday at 9 PM. So far they have appeared on the The Breakfast Club morning radio show and Good Morning America. Later this week they'll also be on The Wendy Williams Show.

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Listen to The Breakfast Club interview if you want to hear T-Boz and Chilli's thoughts on Pebbles, Lefteye, dating and more. Pebbles, after hearing what was said in that interview, took to twitter to complain and has her lawyers ready. T-Boz even mentioned during the interview that Pebbles would consider suing for defamation and slander if there's something in the VH1 movie that she doesn't like.

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In checking Pebbles' twitter today, it's clear she still doesn't see things the same way T-Boz and Chilli do. I'm expecting her to give an interview either later this week or next week and she'll probably sue. We know the movie is going to make her look very bad.

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Whatever, Peb. Only a hit dog will holler.

JabarR74 said:

I still say, they chose the wrong people to play TLC.

Did you actually see the movie?

I think they did very well, and Lil Mama had moments where she was so inside of the charcater of Left-Eye it was spooky. I think she killed it and showed great chops in the role.

jackson35 said:

SoulAlive said: purple1968 said: TLC had a lawyer he was Pebbles lawyer as well.(LOL) Pebbles also turned down endoresement deals for TLC with Coke and other companies. She was incompentent as a manager. These girls did not even make any money went they went out on tour. I never understand why some recording artists assume that they automatically have the skills to manage other artists.Being an artist and a manager are two different things.Pebbles was nothing more than a recording artist...she didn't have the skills needed to manage anybody.Where is the logic in turning down lucrative endorsement deals that TLC were being offered?? where did the top managers find their skills to manange big time talent?tlc was not ready for any type of endorsment deals at the time because they were a wild bunch and peebles knew that. peebles had no say on any of those contracts, she was just a glorified flunky. we need to talk about clive davas and his shady ass.

"where did the top managers find their skills to manange big time talent"

In college. Find a manager who has a degree in Accounting, Business Managment or a Corporate Attorney.

"tlc was not ready for any type of endorsment deals at the time because they were a wild bunch"

So they were incapableof holding a can of coke.

"peebles had no say on any of those contracts, she was just a glorified flunky. we need to talk about clive davas and his shady ass."

Peebles had say at her bank which is were all of TLC's money went. And Clive and her creepy husband were not let off the hook. Everyone who has ever had any dealings with L.A. Reid has bad things to say about him and he has been fired from every record company he has been in charge of.

Ottensen said:

JabarR74 said:

I still say, they chose the wrong people to play TLC.

Did you actually see the movie?

I think they did very well, and Lil Mama had moments where she was so inside of the charcater of Left-Eye it was spooky. I think she killed it and showed great chops in the role.

Lit Mama was good in the part and some people need to realize this was a T.V. movie. Do some of you think this movie was in the theaters? It was good for what it was and I hope that since they now own the name they got a lot of money for it.

In addtion, some of you must not have watched to the end. They did get a real manager who managed to get them upfront money from their tours and a better deal. So with the right management you can earn money in the entertaiment industry.

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jackson35 said:

lli fromUnderMySun said: SoulAlive said: I disagree.At the height of their popularity,they should have been allowed to make as much money as they could.They weren't making very much money from their actual record sales,so those endorsement deals would have came in handy! Wouldn't it make sense that if TLC was being offered endorsement deals early on that Pebbles would would be in favor of it? After all, if the group is getting paid millions for them, she'd ing unwed mothersget part of it? At the very least provide some guidance as to which deals to accept if she thought they weren't ready. whould this have stop left eye from burning down rison house? would this stop t boz and chilli from becoming unwed mothers?

Are you on something? None of that has anything to do with endorsement deals. All of that stuff happened later on they would have cashed those coke-cola checks a long time before those unfortunate events.

In addtion, this is not the 1950's they would not have lost any deals for being unwed mothers?

Ottensen said:

Cinny said:

I can't get VH1. How can I watch this?

I watched it yesterday- it was AWESOME and Lil Mama really kicked ass as Left Eye.

Check your orgnotes about 30 minutes after this is posted

Thanks! I am super excited that music I listened to is actually being remembered and celebrated.

In good concience(sp) none of us should be siding with the manager or record company in this instance. Sure you should read your contract, but as someone said these young girls were niave. What we have to look at is the willfulness to decieve in the contract in the first place. That's the fault of the industry side and should not be praised or tolerated in any fashion. So no, it's not TLC's fault in the end.

purple1968 said:

Ottensen said:

Did you actually see the movie?

I think they did very well, and Lil Mama had moments where she was so inside of the charcater of Left-Eye it was spooky. I think she killed it and showed great chops in the role.

Lit Mama was good in the part and some people need to realize this was a T.V. movie. Do some of you think this movie was in the theaters? It was good for what it was and I hope that since they now own the name they got a lot of money for it.

In addtion, some of you must not have watched to the end. They did get a real manager who managed to get them upfront money from their tours and a better deal. So with the right management you can earn money in the entertaiment industry.

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Are you directing the first question to me?

Because I'm a 42 year old woman who works within the context of fashion, music, and lifestyle media, and I know that the film was a VH1 biopic. Just as there is a standard for good acting on the big screen, it also exists for the small screen medium, and for the latter I was just saying that Lil Mama did a fine job.

Also, I watched the film to the end. I saw how the story turned out, and have enough familiarity with the entertainment ndustry to understand when and how people can make money with it.

Quite frankly you don't even have to be famous to make a living in "entertainment". There are thousands of people who manage to do quite well as the nameless nobodies to the general public and buy homes, take vacations, & put their kids through college and so on- without ever seeing a stadium tour. They obviously will live on a much smaller scale than celebrities, but they get along just fine, and I can agree with you that the key to it all is proper management- whether you make multi-millions per year or just enough to put you in a middle class tax bracket. However it takes clarity from the artists' side working hand in hand with management side to make it work.

If you look at Tina Turner's recent interview while on her honeymoon, she explained that after working like an indentured servant under Ike, when she finally escaped and had nothing she went back into music with the very clear goal of setting her her life for security and comfortable retirement. Though she had a rough beginning, learning things the hard way (indeed), she learned from her past experiences and was able to take it into her new career and business relationships being more aware.

Though TLC never got beaten into submission, I do see some paralells in the indentured servant-like atmosphere they had to work under (a $25 a week stipend for food and expenses? WTH?). I also see the paralells of the 2 situations in that once these girls got screwed, they learned from their past naivete & mistakes, gained clarity, and then had the discernement find the manager most appropriate for their needs and goals. Art and commerce really do go hand in hand- and it takes a very clear and transparent game plan from both sides of the coin (in addition to the talent and work ethic) to pull the marriage off sucessfully.

Now L.A. Reid & Pebbles getting a divorce?

That's a story too

Pebbles finally posted again on twitter:

Thank you for your support! I'm proud of our legacy at Pebbitone and look forward to sharing my story. Love y'all!

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If she has checked twitter, hardly anyone is supporting her. people on twitter are relentless this week and are already attacking this latest post.

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I guess that means she has an interview or 2 lined up soon though.

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BTW did y'all know that Vanessa Williams wrote about Pebbles stealing "Girlfriend" in her autobiography last year? Both Pebbles and Vanessa were recording their debut albums at the same time (1987). Vanessa was pregnant at the time though so her recording and release got delayed. Vanessa didn't go into detail, but basically Pebbles walked in, heard the song, loved it and then convinced the label to give her the song instead of Vanessa. Here is the excerpt from her book "You Have No Idea":

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Shard said:

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BTW did y'all know that Vanessa Williams wrote about Pebbles stealing "Girlfriend" in her autobiography last year? Both Pebbles and Vanessa were recording their debut albums at the same time (1987). Vanessa was pregnant at the time though so her recording and release got delayed. Vanessa didn't go into detail, but basically Pebbles walked in, heard the song, loved it and then convinced the label to give her the song instead of Vanessa. Here is the excerpt from her book "You Have No Idea":

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-a great hook and it screamed r&b hit. While we sang it through at the piano, a younger singer named Pebbles walked into the apartment.

"Wow that's the jam," she said when I finished.

"I know," I said.

"No, that's the jam," she said again.

"Yeah, I know."

Hmmm, you know how this ended up. "Girlfriend" became Pebbles' first single from her platinum-selling album. Pebbles also eventually married L.A. Reid. They're now divorced and she's an ordained minister.

Yeah,I remember hearing this story.Vanessa also said that LA and Babyface didn't even notify her that the song was being given to another artist.It appears that Pebbles worked her "charm" and convinced them to give it to her.