phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

^^^as Wendy correctly points out....the movie is already old news.People have forgotten about it.But Pebbles keeps bringing it up! She's keeping all this drama in the news! She needs to just MOVE ON with her life.There's *nothing* she can do to change how people perceive her,anyway.Honestly,most people don't even care about Pebbles,one way or the other

Be careful how you word that. You haven't taken surveys or interviewed a large subset

of people to make that claim.

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

^^^as Wendy correctly points out....the movie is already old news.People have forgotten about it.But Pebbles keeps bringing it up! She's keeping all this drama in the news! She needs to just MOVE ON with her life.There's *nothing* she can do to change how people perceive her,anyway.Honestly,most people don't even care about Pebbles,one way or the other

Be careful how you word that. You haven't taken surveys or interviewed a large subset

of people to make that claim.

He's been posting as many unfounded, made-up claims as you have, so it's not like it's going to stop any time soon.

SoulAlive said:

^^^as Wendy correctly points out....the movie is already old news.People have forgotten about it.But Pebbles keeps bringing it up! She's keeping all this drama in the news! She needs to just MOVE ON with her life.There's *nothing* she can do to change how people perceive her,anyway.Honestly,most people don't even care about Pebbles,one way or the other

Y'all are a trip! Who brought this old news back up? Not Pebbles. You rag on Pebbles for responding in one post then praise TLC for responding in the next.

Shard said:

The back-and-forth with these ladies... I wish we could just find out exactly what happened. I have a feeling both sides are being truthful about some things and lying about others. Watch the first 3:30 minutes of this video-T-Boz and Chilli sent in official statements responding to Pebbles' interview on Wendy Williams this week:

A sensible response! Yes, there's a lot of back and forth and I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

SoulAlive said:

^^^as Wendy correctly points out....the movie is already old news.People have forgotten about it.But Pebbles keeps bringing it up! She's keeping all this drama in the news! She needs to just MOVE ON with her life.There's *nothing* she can do to change how people perceive her,anyway.Honestly,most people don't even care about Pebbles,one way or the other

This is all about putting more money in "Sister Perri's" bank account! Then it is about defamatory statements made about her in the movie. She managed to squeeze in her upcoming book in the Wendy interview remember? Then conveniently made the statement about Chilli sleeping with her then husband to strike interest in it. She knows what she is doing! Plus its the upcoming reality show about "The Reids" which I bet will be picked up by Vh1..

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

Be careful how you word that. You haven't taken surveys or interviewed a large subset

of people to make that claim.

He's been posting as many unfounded, made-up claims as you have, so it's not like it's going to stop any time soon.

Oh so you're a psychic now. Being Sister Perri's number 1 fan can you tell us about the

sermon she's gonna give her congregation sunday. It's cool that YOU'RE a fan but you've

gone overboard in your defense to validate her. Would we even be having this conversation

if this were any other artist?

One thing Pebbles said and T-Boz and Chilli did NOT refute: TLC wanted those Rav-4's.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SoulAlive said:

^^^as Wendy correctly points out....the movie is already old news.People have forgotten about it.But Pebbles keeps bringing it up! She's keeping all this drama in the news! She needs to just MOVE ON with her life.There's *nothing* she can do to change how people perceive her,anyway.Honestly,most people don't even care about Pebbles,one way or the other

This is all about putting more money in "Sister Perri's" bank account! Then it is about defamatory statements made about her in the movie. She managed to squeeze in her upcoming book in the Wendy interview remember? Then conveniently made the statement about Chilli sleeping with her then husband to strike interest in it. She knows what she is doing! Plus its the upcoming reality show about "The Reids" which I bet will be picked up by Vh1..

Yeah,I can see exactly what she's doing Pebbles is very transparent.A book is on the way and she's trying to drum up interest in it.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

He's been posting as many unfounded, made-up claims as you have, so it's not like it's going to stop any time soon.

Oh so you're a psychic now. Being Sister Perri's number 1 fan can you tell us about the

sermon she's gonna give her congregation sunday. It's cool that YOU'RE a fan but you've

gone overboard in your defense to validate her. Would we even be having this conversation

if this were any other artist?

It's funny you see it that way, but it explains a lot about your responses. I'm a Pebbles fan to be sure, but she's way down the list of my favorite artists. As far as going "overboard" to somehow defend or validate her? All I've done is present facts. You can refute them with your fake statistics and personal opinions, but that doesn't change them. We're having this conversation less because I'm a fan of Pebbles and more because I respond when you make stuff up and you apparently don't like that.

I had no problem at all with your first post saying you didn't know what went on between them but your musician friend mentioned Pebbles was difficult. Nor did I have a problem with our disagreement over whether Vanessa or Pebbles had better songs. Opinions are great. I corrected your claim that Pebbles only had hits because of Face by bringing up "Mercedes Boy" and you left it at that. But then I made an aside about Pebbles having more #1 R&B songs than TLC and you went overboard attacking it presumably because you inferred I was saying she was as popular as TLC (when I was saying nothing of the sort). Then you kept posting more and more generalizations (disguised as facts) in an attempt to "prove" something about Pebbles. No one here is making her career out to be more than it was: short-lived yet successful almost exclusively in her genre. But she still has plenty of fans. I didn't even know she had a Twitter account until this thread.

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This is all about putting more money in "Sister Perri's" bank account! Then it is about defamatory statements made about her in the movie. She managed to squeeze in her upcoming book in the Wendy interview remember? Then conveniently made the statement about Chilli sleeping with her then husband to strike interest in it. She knows what she is doing! Plus its the upcoming reality show about "The Reids" which I bet will be picked up by Vh1..

Yeah,I can see exactly what she's doing Pebbles is very transparent.A book is on the way and she's trying to drum up interest in it.

I will give her credit for creating the top selling female group(my favorite female group!) in history.Even though she ripped them off! She does deserve to be acknowledged for it. Being a female, creating that was unheard of at the time and she was a big part in their success. Only female any close to that since is Missy.

I'm so perplexed why this conversation has been going on so long.

Pebbles - who gives a fuck?? TLC, cute band, but reaaaaaallly?

Did left eye write her own rhymes on hits tlc songs? Did the other 2 write anything? I know most of their history except that.

JoeBala said:

Did left eye write her own rhymes on hits tlc songs? Did the other 2 write anything? I know most of their history except that.

Yes she did. Yes they did. T-Boz wrote Unpretty.

MendesCity said:

I'm so perplexed why this conversation has been going on so long.

Pebbles - who gives a fuck?? TLC, cute band, but reaaaaaallly?

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This is all about putting more money in "Sister Perri's" bank account! Then it is about defamatory statements made about her in the movie. She managed to squeeze in her upcoming book in the Wendy interview remember? Then conveniently made the statement about Chilli sleeping with her then husband to strike interest in it. She knows what she is doing! Plus its the upcoming reality show about "The Reids" which I bet will be picked up by Vh1..

Yeah,I can see exactly what she's doing Pebbles is very transparent.A book is on the way and she's trying to drum up interest in it.

Besides the "I can't talk about it legally", the other frustrating non-answer was pointing to an answer in a book that doesn't exist yet!

I remember Oprah's most hated answer to one of her questions was "read my book" which is what MJ said when she kept asking about plastic surgery, but at least his memoirs Moonwalk was available in stores. Pebbles better not be too late with that book!

Is Pebbles gonna talk about her ho stroll days in her book?

scriptgirl said:

Is Pebbles gonna talk about her ho stroll days in her book?

She's gonna have to,if she wants to sell books.The TLC story has already been told numerous times.

musicjunky318 said:

JoeBala said:

Did left eye write her own rhymes on hits tlc songs? Did the other 2 write anything? I know most of their history except that.

Yes she did. Yes they did. T-Boz wrote Unpretty.

Left Eye wrote her own rhymes from Day 1. T-Boz and Chilli began dabbling in song-writing since FanMail with a few credits here and there, but the aforementioned "Unpretty" is their only big hit co-written by either.

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

Oh so you're a psychic now. Being Sister Perri's number 1 fan can you tell us about the

sermon she's gonna give her congregation sunday. It's cool that YOU'RE a fan but you've

gone overboard in your defense to validate her. Would we even be having this conversation

if this were any other artist?

It's funny you see it that way, but it explains a lot about your responses. I'm a Pebbles fan to be sure, but she's way down the list of my favorite artists. As far as going "overboard" to somehow defend or validate her? All I've done is present facts. You can refute them with your fake statistics and personal opinions, but that doesn't change them. We're having this conversation less because I'm a fan of Pebbles and more because I respond when you make stuff up and you apparently don't like that.

I had no problem at all with your first post saying you didn't know what went on between them but your musician friend mentioned Pebbles was difficult. Nor did I have a problem with our disagreement over whether Vanessa or Pebbles had better songs. Opinions are great. I corrected your claim that Pebbles only had hits because of Face by bringing up "Mercedes Boy" and you left it at that. But then I made an aside about Pebbles having more #1 R&B songs than TLC and you went overboard attacking it presumably because you inferred I was saying she was as popular as TLC (when I was saying nothing of the sort). Then you kept posting more and more generalizations (disguised as facts) in an attempt to "prove" something about Pebbles. No one here is making her career out to be more than it was: short-lived yet successful almost exclusively in her genre. But she still has plenty of fans. I didn't even know she had a Twitter account until this thread.

You really are full of yourself dude. First of all bring your seeing eye dog to the party because if you re read my post Reply 152 I never said Pebbles only had hits because of
Babyface. So you didn't correct anything. I actually said in defense of her she's had hits

thanks to Babyface. You can interpret that anyway you want. So she had one hit without Babyface but the majority of the hits in her catalog was due to the production wizardry of Babyface. How successful was her 3rd album without Babyface? The proof is in the pudding there. Fake statistics? Please tell me where I presented fake statististics of anything here. I'm not the statistician remember you are.

So the fact that I stated Waterfalls and Unpretty were number 1 hits is made up? It was just a matter of semantics. They topped the Hot 100 charts. Fact. I admitted I overlooked

when you stated Pebbles had 1 more r&b hit than TLC but that still doesn't change the fact that those songs were number 1 for TLC regardless of what charts they were on. And you talk about presenting facts as though you discovered a cure for cancer. The only facts you presented was Pebbles having one more r&b hit than TLC which I never disputed so I don't know what you going on about. The only thing I stated about Pebbles that seemed to ruffle your feathers is that most of her material isn't memorable to the average music fan. Then you went on some diatribe about taking surveys and interviewing subsets of people. One person in this thread already stated they only remember her for one song. Whether you want to admit it or not if Pebbles is even bought up on the radar of most music fans they are probably only gonna remember Girlfriend and Mercedes Boy.

Notice I said Most music fans not all. There's a difference.

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phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

It's funny you see it that way, but it explains a lot about your responses. I'm a Pebbles fan to be sure, but she's way down the list of my favorite artists. As far as going "overboard" to somehow defend or validate her? All I've done is present facts. You can refute them with your fake statistics and personal opinions, but that doesn't change them. We're having this conversation less because I'm a fan of Pebbles and more because I respond when you make stuff up and you apparently don't like that.

I had no problem at all with your first post saying you didn't know what went on between them but your musician friend mentioned Pebbles was difficult. Nor did I have a problem with our disagreement over whether Vanessa or Pebbles had better songs. Opinions are great. I corrected your claim that Pebbles only had hits because of Face by bringing up "Mercedes Boy" and you left it at that. But then I made an aside about Pebbles having more #1 R&B songs than TLC and you went overboard attacking it presumably because you inferred I was saying she was as popular as TLC (when I was saying nothing of the sort). Then you kept posting more and more generalizations (disguised as facts) in an attempt to "prove" something about Pebbles. No one here is making her career out to be more than it was: short-lived yet successful almost exclusively in her genre. But she still has plenty of fans. I didn't even know she had a Twitter account until this thread.

You really are full of yourself dude. First of all bring your seeing eye dog to the party because if you re read my post Reply 152 I never said Pebbles only had hits because of
Babyface. So you didn't correct anything. I actually said in defense of her she's had hits

thanks to Babyface. You can interpret that anyway you want. So she had one hit without Babyface but the majority of the hits in her catalog was due to the production wizardry of Babyface. How successful was her 3rd album without Babyface? The proof is in the pudding there. Fake statistics? Please tell me where I presented fake statististics of anything here. I'm not the statistician remember you are.

So the fact that I stated Waterfalls and Unpretty were number 1 hits is made up? It was just a matter of semantics. They topped the Hot 100 charts. Fact. I admitted I overlooked

when you stated Pebbles had 1 more r&b hit than TLC but that still doesn't change the fact that those songs were number 1 for TLC regardless of what charts they were on. And you talk about presenting facts as though you discovered a cure for cancer. The only facts you presented was Pebbles having one more r&b hit than TLC which I never disputed so I don't know what you going on about. The only thing I stated about Pebbles that seemed to ruffle your feathers is that most of her material isn't memorable to the average music fan. Then you went on some diatribe about taking surveys and interviewing subsets of people. One person in this thread already stated they only remember her for one song. Whether you want to admit it or not if Pebbles is even bought up on the radar of most music fans they are probably only gonna remember Girlfriend and Mercedes Boy.

Notice I said Most music fans not all. There's a difference.

Let's not even get into being "full of" something. You explained in that long-assed paragraph why you disputed what I presented then claimed you didn't dispute it! If you can't even understand what you wrote, I can see why you can't understand my posts either.

I see you using disclaimers like "probably" this time around, but I'd still love to know who exactly qualifies as the "average music fan." For instance, I doubt that you noticed, but not one poster in this thread has claimed to remember only Pebbles for "Girlfriend" and/or "Mercedes Boy" while multiple posters have stated the contrary (including that one person who only remembered "Giving You the Benefit"). But if you're in constant telepathic with Joe Average's memories, I can see how you'd miss things like that.

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Let's not even get into being "full of" something. You explained in that long-assed paragraph why you disputed what I presented then claimed you didn't dispute it! If you can't even understand what you wrote, I can see why you can't understand my posts either.

I see you using disclaimers like "probably" this time around, but I'd still love to know who exactly qualifies as the "average music fan." For instance, I doubt that you noticed, but not one poster in this thread has claimed to remember only Pebbles for "Girlfriend" and/or "Mercedes Boy" while multiple posters have stated the contrary (including that one person who only remembered "Giving You the Benefit"). But if you're in constant telepathic with Joe Average's memories, I can see how you'd miss things like that.

Your posts are quite comical and sad at this point. You're not even making any damn sense. Someone has to explain to you who qualifies as the average music fan. That's akin to you asking the redundant question who qualifies as the average consumer of household goods. Let's not talk about not understanding what you've read. You have misinterpreted damn near all my posts. So WTF at this point? You keep making shit up about disclaimers. I'm tired of explaining what I've said because all you're gonna do is a little hokey pokey dance around it. Personally I'm ready to close this chapter on Pebbles because before the TLC biopic no one was talking about Pebbles but of course you're gonna come back with some wack shit about disclaimers and interviewing subsets of people to ascertain that.

If you're ready to stop making up bullshit, be my guest.

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said: Your posts are quite comical and sad at this point. You're not even making any damn sense. Someone has to explain to you who qualifies as the average music fan. That's akin to you asking the redundant question who qualifies as the average consumer of household goods. Let's not talk about not understanding what you've read. You have misinterpreted damn near all my posts. So WTF at this point? You keep making shit up about disclaimers. I'm tired of explaining what I've said because all you're gonna do is a little hokey pokey dance around it. Personally I'm ready to close this chapter on Pebbles because before the TLC biopic no one was talking about Pebbles but of course you're gonna come back with some wack shit about disclaimers and interviewing subsets of people to ascertain that.

If you're ready to stop making up bullshit, be my guest.

I'm making up bullshit but you haven't said a damn thing of note to prove that I've made up bs.

You accusing me of shit that I didn't even say or you have your own interpretation

of it. You started coming off as a hothead because people in the thread were going in on

Pebbles and they weren't waving pom poms for her like you and I actually defended her musically by saying she had some hits and then you went off on some bs tangent because no one was saying what you wanted to hear. You proved that by getting a little salty with others in the thread so you can take all your nonsense and stuff it.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

If you're ready to stop making up bullshit, be my guest.

I'm making up bullshit but you haven't said a damn thing of note to prove that I've made up bs.

You accusing me of shit that I didn't even say or you have your own interpretation

of it. You started coming off as a hothead because people in the thread were going in on

Pebbles and they weren't waving pom poms for her like you and I actually defended her musically by saying she had some hits and then you went off on some bs tangent because no one was saying what you wanted to hear. You proved that by getting a little salty with others in the thread so you can take all your nonsense and stuff it.

Yeah, I had a feeling you weren't actually ready to close this chapter...

I can't tell if you're trolling or honestly ignorant, so I'll try again to explain it to you:

In reply 183 you claim:

"My only

argument was that you can count on one hand the number of songs by her that are instantly recognizable by the average music head with Girlfriend and Mercedes Boy being the two."

1. How on earth could you possibly know this?
2. Where are you getting this information?

Answers:
1. You don't.
2. You made it up.

As for me proving it's bs, it's a hard thing to prove either way. Who would even keep track of such a random claim? OTOH:
1. Again, not one poster in this thread has stated they only recognize the two songs you mentioned. Multiple people have either explicitly or implicitly posted something that contradicts your claim, even one (SoulAlive) who then made an even more outlandish claim (that the average person only recognizes "Girlfriend" from Pebbles).
2. On the iTunes Store right now, "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy" are the top-2 selling Pebbles tracks and occupy positions 1, 2, 4, 7, and 9 in the top 10, but "Always" and "Love Makes Things Happen" also have 2 spots each in the top 10 while "Giving You the Benefit" has 2 in the top 11. In comparison, when looking at the Boys (another act popular around the same time with a handful of #1 R&B hits, not much crossover success, and little recorded output in years [at least as "The Boys"]), "Dial My Heart" occupies the first 3 positions with "Crazy" appearing at #4 and again at #9. So in this one instance with a snapshot of data from the largest music seller in the US, "Dial My Heart" appears to be easily the most popular song by the Boys.

Is it safe to say "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy" are the two most popular/recognizable Pebbles songs and "Dial My Heart" and "Crazy" are the two most popular/recognizable songs by the Boys? Probably. But where does the line of "instantly recognizable" fall?

Truth be told, we have no way of knowing if any Pebbles song is instantly recognizable to the average music fan. Claims about the recognizability of a song to the average music fan are largely based on conjecture and assumptions.

Does anybody know if Pebbles divorced Reid BEFORE he sold LaFace to Arista for $100-Million? I saw her lengthy and REAL interview on Wendy and she seems like the type of Sista that doesnt walk away empty handed. What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that Pebbles would NEVER surface with any comments about TLC if The Powers That Be would stop mentioning her name, painting her in a bad light and producing a Film that only tells one side of the Drama. No matter how many times people say "Pebbles is a has-been and nobody cares what she thinks" she's STILL a human being with Feelings and she has a right to speak up for herself when negative things are put out there about her....

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'll just conclude saying based on the old school radio stations I listen to in my area Pebbles doesn't get any airplay. Much to my surprise they don't even spin Girlfriend or Mercedes Boy as of now. Yet one station I listen to a little more frequently spin Stacey Lattisaw's Love On A Two Way Street daily. Call it Radio Station preference or listener preference Pebbles music just isn't getting any spins here. It's possible they could during an old school radio mix on Saturdays but not during the week during regular programming. I'm wrapped up into college football on Saturdays. Just maybe she's getting airplay elsewhere.

So strange someone just played Stacey Lattisaw's Love On A Two Way Street for me this past weekend and looked at me like when I said I had never heard it. I'm 31 the kid was 22.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Yeah, I had a feeling you weren't actually ready to close this chapter...

I can't tell if you're trolling or honestly ignorant, so I'll try again to explain it to you:

In reply 183 you claim:

"My only

argument was that you can count on one hand the number of songs by her that are instantly recognizable by the average music head with Girlfriend and Mercedes Boy being the two."

1. How on earth could you possibly know this?
2. Where are you getting this information?

Answers:
1. You don't.
2. You made it up.

As for me proving it's bs, it's a hard thing to prove either way. Who would even keep track of such a random claim? OTOH:
1. Again, not one poster in this thread has stated they only recognize the two songs you mentioned. Multiple people have either explicitly or implicitly posted something that contradicts your claim, even one (SoulAlive) who then made an even more outlandish claim (that the average person only recognizes "Girlfriend" from Pebbles).
2. On the iTunes Store right now, "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy" are the top-2 selling Pebbles tracks and occupy positions 1, 2, 4, 7, and 9 in the top 10, but "Always" and "Love Makes Things Happen" also have 2 spots each in the top 10 while "Giving You the Benefit" has 2 in the top 11. In comparison, when looking at the Boys (another act popular around the same time with a handful of #1 R&B hits, not much crossover success, and little recorded output in years [at least as "The Boys"]), "Dial My Heart" occupies the first 3 positions with "Crazy" appearing at #4 and again at #9. So in this one instance with a snapshot of data from the largest music seller in the US, "Dial My Heart" appears to be easily the most popular song by the Boys.

Is it safe to say "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy" are the two most popular/recognizable Pebbles songs and "Dial My Heart" and "Crazy" are the two most popular/recognizable songs by the Boys? Probably. But where does the line of "instantly recognizable" fall?

Truth be told, we have no way of knowing if any Pebbles song is instantly recognizable to the average music fan. Claims about the recognizability of a song to the average music fan are largely based on conjecture and assumptions.

I'll just conclude saying based on the old school radio stations I listen to in my area Pebbles doesn't get any airplay. Much to my surprise they don't even spin Girlfriend or Mercedes Boy as of now. Yet one station I listen to a little more frequently spin Stacey Lattisaw's Love On A Two Way Street daily. Call it Radio Station preference or listener preference Pebbles music just isn't getting any spins here. It's possible they could during an old school radio mix on Saturdays but not during the week during regular programming. I'm wrapped up into college football on Saturdays. Just maybe she's getting airplay elsewhere.

Cool man, I totally get that. That's one of the reasons I gave up on radio long ago. Even with so many satellite stations and internet radio, it often seems like the same handful of songs are played on the regular. I'm glad I can choose what I want to hear. Radio is probably less relevant to the overall music business than ever before.

That's a nice tune by Stacy Lattisaw, but I prefer the version by the Moments. Either way, I find it amusing that song would be in regular rotation.