at least kimmel reminds west that MOST people think hes an asshole

Sandino said:

lastdecember said:

And that video proves? that you won a grammy and made a speech? Look this age/generation is totally 100% self absorbed and self obsessed, believing and spewing their own HYPE, own it, thats all im saying, this is not a talent contest, some people like him and some dont, some people like bon jovi and some dont, some think bono is an asshole and some think he is the greatest humanatarian of the last 50 years. Im just saying the truth of what KANYE is coming from, and what generation, his being self obsessed overshadows any talent, thats the point and the truth, 90% of people talk about him and the talk about him has NOTHING to do with his work his talent his clothing lines his charity and that is all his fault, so more power to him, props for his talents, but at least fess up and OWN IT!

"And another thing that bothers me is he pretty much said he cares about family kids his work not once thanked the people that elevated him from that dude that had nothing to now having this voice in the public"

It proves he isn't beyond crediting people who elevated him.

Maybe you were referring to the clip itself, and in truth this point is semantics, but he's not obliged to do anything he doesn't have to. Maybe he realizes all those people who helped him mutually benefited from his success and so he feels no need for gratitude. Just an alternative thought to ponder.

And your point is as relevant as me explaining the important of calculus. My generation is solipsistic. Nice observation. You're generation seems judgemental and cantankerous. Does that overshadow whatever achievements you've made in life? I doubt it. Why? because what matters is what you DO in life. And again, what is it that Kanye DOES that is so detrimental?

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Sorry but every generation is judgemental from the 80's on, i can scan every single artists online site and forums and hear how THIS generation judges, curses out, talks about, wants a voice etc...i dont give two shits musically about Kanye or the mainstream that was never my point, my point is dont bitch when the media put you there comes to bite you in the ass, thats it plain and simple, musically i dont dig him but i recognize the art in his work, and respect that, but YOUR generation fails to RECOGNIZE alot and is beyond judgemental. That is my point at the end of it, reading all these other things into it is on you. Kanye to me is meaningless in my world and what i listen too, thats not a put down, because im sure to most, say, the new Pearl Jam is meaningless or the David Bowie etc....peoples tastes or what they like are not even part of this discussion, the discussion was plainly about his actions, im saying he can do what he wants to do, but dont sit there and cry and claim to be a zoo animal , he has NO CLUE what media pressure is, and my point is WHEN YOU BRING IT ON yourself dont cry.

I'm a huge Kanye stan but I can not defend this dude, this year especially. His music is horrible now imo, he needs a reality check.

My problem with him (apart from the ridiculous god-complex-arrogance) is when he puts out statements like he plans on beating What's Going On and Songs In The Key Of Life with his next album. "Ain't even the same m*therf*ckin' ballpark" -Jules Winnfield

He IS a very creative BEATMAKER. Not a genius, not a lyricist (imo), not a producer. Beatmaker. His beats for Common for example have always been, ahem, dope.

It is also true, that he was once much more humble. I'm sure you've seen this (hilarious) John Mayer clip: http://www.youtube.com/wa..._z-shZL1KU

Sandino said:

lastdecember said:

And that video proves? that you won a grammy and made a speech? Look this age/generation is totally 100% self absorbed and self obsessed, believing and spewing their own HYPE, own it, thats all im saying, this is not a talent contest, some people like him and some dont, some people like bon jovi and some dont, some think bono is an asshole and some think he is the greatest humanatarian of the last 50 years. Im just saying the truth of what KANYE is coming from, and what generation, his being self obsessed overshadows any talent, thats the point and the truth, 90% of people talk about him and the talk about him has NOTHING to do with his work his talent his clothing lines his charity and that is all his fault, so more power to him, props for his talents, but at least fess up and OWN IT!

"And another thing that bothers me is he pretty much said he cares about family kids his work not once thanked the people that elevated him from that dude that had nothing to now having this voice in the public"

It proves he isn't beyond crediting people who elevated him.

Maybe you were referring to the clip itself, and in truth this point is semantics, but he's not obliged to do anything he doesn't have to. Maybe he realizes all those people who helped him mutually benefited from his success and so he feels no need for gratitude. Just an alternative thought to ponder.

And your point is as relevant as me explaining the important of calculus. My generation is solipsistic. Nice observation. You're generation seems judgemental and cantankerous. Does that overshadow whatever achievements you've made in life? I doubt it. Why? because what matters is what you DO in life. And again, what is it that Kanye DOES that is so detrimental?

[Edited 10/12/13 13:49pm]

[Edited 10/12/13 13:57pm]

Sorry but every generation is judgemental from the 80's on, i can scan every single artists online site and forums and hear how THIS generation judges, curses out, talks about, wants a voice etc...i dont give two shits musically about Kanye or the mainstream that was never my point, my point is dont bitch when the media put you there comes to bite you in the ass, thats it plain and simple, musically i dont dig him but i recognize the art in his work, and respect that, but YOUR generation fails to RECOGNIZE alot and is beyond judgemental. That is my point at the end of it, reading all these other things into it is on you. Kanye to me is meaningless in my world and what i listen too, thats not a put down, because im sure to most, say, the new Pearl Jam is meaningless or the David Bowie etc....peoples tastes or what they like are not even part of this discussion, the discussion was plainly about his actions, im saying he can do what he wants to do, but dont sit there and cry and claim to be a zoo animal , he has NO CLUE what media pressure is, and my point is WHEN YOU BRING IT ON yourself dont cry.

babybugz said:

I'm a huge Kanye stan but I can not defend this dude, this year especially. His music is horrible now imo, he needs a reality check.

Everybody said the same about 808s & Hearbreaks, but then it seemd to change and inspire a whole new movement entirely. The Weeknd, Drake, James Blake, Frank Ocean... the list goes on. Kanye has left more than a few footprints, even with his most hated on albums.