Sometimes new music is too much : In my opinion sometimes classy is trashy in pop music today. But sometimes you might run into some good songs . But overall I miss things such as Kiss , Steppenwolf , the old mariah carey , swv and brandy (old also). I may sound old but I wish that music could go back to things like that. What artist do you miss and do you think music will get better or worse.

I miss most music like what you named too, and the melodies and hooks of 80's music if not the synths since those still appear in upgraded forms. I miss vocalists that don't use autotune and wish people would go back to real singing as well, even if it's not fancy singing.

If we have songs like Get Lucky for awhile, I'll be happy with that, and I'm also looking forward to Janelle's new album, so I have some hope for this year with music.

alphastreet said:

I miss most music like what you named too, and the melodies and hooks of 80's music if not the synths since those still appear in upgraded forms. I miss vocalists that don't use autotune and wish people would go back to real singing as well, even if it's not fancy singing.

If we have songs like Get Lucky for awhile, I'll be happy with that, and I'm also looking forward to Janelle's new album, so I have some hope for this year with music.

I miss the melodies too

No

No I don't think it will ever be like it 'used to be'. Most of what is seen today in the music industry, has already been done, and most of the artists don't come close to some of the artists from back in the 70s/80s. In my opinion, there was much more originality and new sounds being introduced. Today, most of the new artists are lazy in a creative sense, and don't put in as much hard work as those artists that introduced new sounds and revolutionized music. It's just too easy for the ones that are supposedly 'popular' today.

I'm sure there are many, independent artists out there, that may have that 'IT' factor, but it seems most record execs are not looking for those artists who can aintroduce new sounds/originality and give longevity. It seems to be all about making a quick buck now, showcasing what they think is the next, big thing, and promoting those artists who end up having shortlived, music careers and very, limited catalogues, that are less likely to become classics.

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If there's a nuclear apocalypse I'm sure the surviving ape mutants will discover the joys of hitting stones and sticks against each other.

It needs a jolt like this!

If it does, it won't be any time soon. Today's young musicians do not have the musical foundations that kids in the 60's and 70's had.

You can thank grunge and rap for that. Mainly rap.

It will never go back to what it "used to be". Sure, you can search and find artist who still make music like it "used to be". But, music will always follow the latest new trends. And as long as labels are interested in an artist being a brand rather than an actual recording artist, then commerical music is pretty much screwed for life.

Music changes and will never be like it was in any decade.

Gunsnhalen said:

Music changes and will never be like it was in any decade.

I didn't read it as "like" it was, but rather "what" it was. My definition of "what" is "well-constructed songs based on a knowledge of musical theory; songs that will stand the test of time".

Music in the '60's was most definitely not like music in the '50's, yet hundreds of songs from each era stand the test of time. Same for comparing music from the '70's to music from the '60's, and of course music from the '80's to music from the '70's.

None of that was the same but so much of it was great. As I've said before, I firmly believe it's because each generation coming up had incredible music to learn from.

We have not had much of that kind of music since about 1990, because the kids growing up from the '90's on have not had the same quality of music to learn from that their predecessors did.

RodeoSchro said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Music changes and will never be like it was in any decade.

I didn't read it as "like" it was, but rather "what" it was. My definition of "what" is "well-constructed songs based on a knowledge of musical theory; songs that will stand the test of time".

Music in the '60's was most definitely not like music in the '50's, yet hundreds of songs from each era stand the test of time. Same for comparing music from the '70's to music from the '60's, and of course music from the '80's to music from the '70's.

None of that was the same but so much of it was great. As I've said before, I firmly believe it's because each generation coming up had incredible music to learn from.

We have not had much of that kind of music since about 1990, because the kids growing up from the '90's on have not had the same quality of music to learn from that their predecessors did.

There has been tons and tons of great music since the 90's there has been tons of great music just this year but you won't find it all on kiss FM.

There is still tons of great music i don't think just cause we have shitty pop stars who are popular that you should downplay like a lot of inventive music hasn't come since the 90's cause the 90's had it's fait share of absolute shit as well

Music itself has to re-invent constantly, right now i feel its in an odd place, cause for the most part its not $$$ for anyone involved with it, its stuck in a place where it really doesnt know what its going to become, you have longer time artists kinda re-inventint the business model in different ways and showing the adjustment mainly because they dont have to give in to a label at this point, they have the fan base built in, they really dont care about the radio or charts, because those 2 things to me now are irrelevant, you have Billboard magazine and it has about 80 charts when it used to have 6, and then you had competition and now you really dont, because the its not set up now to BE competitive. People dont get that artists raised the bar because of what is around them, You arent gonna get wild creative stuff now primarily because who is challenging? if anyone can make a record in their living room on a laptop, wheres the competition? I fell now everyone is stuck i havent really seen a major in awhile, for every Adele or Amy Whinehouse, your gonna get 100 bad ringtone artists that will sell a million downloads, so you are dumbing down the creativity. I do think in a way peoples interests are shifting, but the mindsets are still stuck, media and PR people gotta freaking go, if everyone that comes out is gonna be HYPED as the new Michael Jackson or Prince, you arent going anywhere with this. When Prince came out you didnt even hear talk like that, Imagine when say U2 or REM, Inxs, the Commodores or anyone like that, who were they "Hyped" to be. The mindset now is you gotta sell day one or your gone, thats a cancer, that is/has and will continue to hollow out music in general, music has VERY LITTLE importance to people anymore, i dont care that 90% of people you see have a digital device, that doesnt mean a thing.

And as far as it Used to be, you cant go back you just gotta figure out where you are going, carve a path for yourself like the "Used to be's" did, there doesnt seem an effort to carve path's with new footsteps, there seems to be an urgency to jump in what someone already laid and did.

it's done.....toast.....

We're just gonna have to enjoy the great music from the past,and look for the occasional "good" song that comes out in this era I'm OK with this....there's enough amazing music from the 60s,70s and 80s to keep me satisfied for a lifetime!

To answer your question:

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Music constantly changes. Not for better, not for worse.

Gunsnhalen said:

Music changes and will never be like it was in any decade.

Yet a lot of stuff out there sounds a lot like the music released since the mid- or late-90s.

There have been some changes - for example, they've started using more reverb on the chart hits once again whereas the overall sound was drier in the early-00s -, but there were far bigger changes in overall style between the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s than what has followed those decades.

People of different eras will all be asking what you ask so I don't know if that's even a fair question these days... jmho.

SimpleSoul said:

Sometimes new music is too much : In my opinion sometimes classy is trashy in pop music today. But sometimes you might run into some good songs . But overall I miss things such as Kiss , Steppenwolf , the old mariah carey , swv and brandy (old also). I may sound old but I wish that music could go back to things like that. What artist do you miss and do you think music will get better or worse.

Most of 21st century music will get worse because.....

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1. The RIAA still exist.

2. Music is only as good as the smartphones & tablets that is being used to play it.

3. Too many lawyers and secret societies are involved in the music industry.

4. Most music fans born after 1988 do not know their music history like they should.

I came to my conclusion : Just be grateful for the old music we do have and like aardvark15 said Music constantly changes. Not for better, not for worse.

thread dismissed

TonyVanDam said:

SimpleSoul said:

Sometimes new music is too much : In my opinion sometimes classy is trashy in pop music today. But sometimes you might run into some good songs . But overall I miss things such as Kiss , Steppenwolf , the old mariah carey , swv and brandy (old also). I may sound old but I wish that music could go back to things like that. What artist do you miss and do you think music will get better or worse.

Most of 21st century music will get worse because.....

.

1. The RIAA still exist.

2. Music is only as good as the smartphones & tablets that is being used to play it.

3. Too many lawyers and secret societies are involved in the music industry.

4. Most music fans born after 1988 do not know their music history like they should.

You said you were quitting that!

No.

And is that necessarily a bad thing?

I'm with aardvark. It's really hard to evaluate change as truly good or bad, but it is easy to evaluate what we MISS as music change or how we FEEL about it.

Today's Kendrick Lamar or Kanye West may very well be for a kid out there what Prince was to me or Stevie or Sly were to my folks.

Where you stand on music is where you sit on the timeline.

I can say I "miss" the musicality of small-p popular music. But we have all we need to find the artists who play it (soul, r&b, rock and roll, jazz, what have you). Music may not "go back" but parts of what I miss and feel about music will survive. All I can ask for.

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if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck................

RodeoSchro said:

TonyVanDam said:

Most of 21st century music will get worse because.....

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1. The RIAA still exist.

2. Music is only as good as the smartphones & tablets that is being used to play it.

3. Too many lawyers and secret societies are involved in the music industry.

4. Most music fans born after 1988 do not know their music history like they should.

You said you were quitting that!

I said "quit reseaching & truthseeking". I never said anything about "quit mentioning what I already knew".

There has always been Great, Good, Bad and trash music since we as humans learned to walk, it may seem worse now because of the social media and pop culture saturation but treasures are out there to be discovered. As if it matters, I can't tell you what the no# 1 song is on the charts today nor do I care, I buy the good and junk I like and keep on truckin'.

A big problem is that the "good acts" these days are more often than not retro acts. They're about some sort of a revival of what was good about music back in the day. Or, as is the case especially with rock, bands that almost completely abandon the production values of contemporary music and try to sound as much like the 1960s and the 1970s as possible.

I'm not really complaining about that myself as I really like that sound. I find the retro acts to more pleasing to listen to than whatever bullshit that's on the radio. Yet, with retro being one of the predominant standards for what "separates the good from the bad" I don't think music really moves forward. It seems we've arrived at a standstill at the very least, if not at the end of the road.

I used to say the same thing when Mariah first debuted.

I'm optimistic, the music scene is a lot like it was in the early 50's with a lot of studio constructs being marketed instead of artists (a lot of them could sing though due to lack of autotune.) But the mainstream was stagnating.

novabrkr said:

A big problem is that the "good acts" these days are more often than not retro acts. They're about some sort of a revival of what was good about music back in the day. Or, as is the case especially with rock, bands that almost completely abandon the production values of contemporary music and try to sound as much like the 1960s and the 1970s as possible.

I'm not really complaining about that myself as I really like that sound. I find the retro acts to more pleasing to listen to than whatever bullshit that's on the radio. Yet, with retro being one of the predominant standards for what "separates the good from the bad" I don't think music really moves forward. It seems we've arrived at a standstill at the very least, if not at the end of the road.

I find that,most of my favorite "new" music these days,is the stuff that sounds old/retro I like stuff like Jamiroquai,Mayer Hawthorne,and Raphael Saadiq's recent music.I can't tolerate alot of modern sounds.It feels lifeless to me.