GaryMF said:

dJJ said:

Yes, it's prejudiced and very limited when I would had the intention to sum up the complete Jewish heritage.

However, this was only about the high number of Jewish people in decision making positions in corporate America.

You think that money and protecting the clan is alien to Jewish people?

I'm not part of a hate group or KKK.

Feel free to discuss how wrong my prejudice is about the importance of money and favorism of Jewish people among eachother when it comes to giving eachother jobs etc.

Making a statement like "The culture of white Jewish people focuses on money, money and keeping the money within the family" IS COMPLETELY "summing up the entire Jewish heritage" to use your words.

So if you are not prejudiced and promoting hatred, then you need to careful about what you write and say. This is exactly how attitudes start and end up in scenarios like Nazi Germany or slavery in the US.

And in terms of Jewish people in positions of power, it is true that Jews over-index in terms of holding these positions vs. how many Jews there are in the US.

That is due to 2 facts however:

1. The fact that EDUCATION is the key value in Jewish American culture as I stated. This can be empirically supported by the fact that Jews over index in measures such as going to college, having advanced degrees of all sorts (Masters, phds, mba's, JDs, etc.). If you look at who runs the entertainment businesses, it mostly lawers (JDs) and now MBAs.

This focus on education is also why Jews overindex in other areas such as professors, doctors, teachers, scientists, Nobel prize winners, social workers (requires masters) etc. Not all of these professions are high paying , but all require specialized/advanced degrees.

2. The reason Jews are inolved in both the entertainment and financial sectors have to do with the fact that until recent times (last part of the 20th century), Jews were EXCLUDED from being in other businesses.

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In fact, Jews were FORCED INTO BEING FINANCIERS by the European monarchies and governments who forbade Jews to own land, businesses, etc. and forced them to become money-lenders because the Catholic church forbade them to do it themselves so they made Jews do it. Now people whine about Jews being in "Money" but they were forced into that role (in addition to living ghettos).

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In the US, there was similar prejudice (and still is though it less overt now) and Jews were excluded from being in other types of businesses or firms, and early in the 20th century, people looked down on the entertainment business. The upper classes thought being an actor even was something declasse, let alone a business person in entertainment. Thus, it was an area that was open to Jews since the "ruling/elite" class thought it was beneath them, and thus many early founders of Hollywood were in fact Jews who sought to make a living given that other options were closed off to them.

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These 2 factors are why Jews over index in positions of power in the entertainment industry. Do some reasearch before makign blanket statement about an entire culture or people.

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Now, are these few individuals assholes? Probably. Are most of the people who run record companies and movie studios, Jewish or Christian, black or white, assholes? probably.

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If you've worked in the entratinment industry (and I've been in elements of both music and hollywood), you will probably agree with me that most of these guys (and lets not forget that 90% or more are MEN, but that's another topic), are basically assholes.

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In terms of your alleged "importance of money and favorism", ...I'd ask you who or what group is NOT intersted money in the United states? And as stated above, Jews over index in positions that are traditionally underpaid as well such as teachers, social workers, etc. so you can't make a blanket statement.

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Bottom line, you made a sweeping generalization that is based on a stereotype that has been used-quite effectively--throughout history to oppress, hate and actually murder people, so you need to be more careful about what you say.

You'r right.

Thanks for clearing that up.

vainandy said:

Chancellor said:

Don't leave out White Gay Men. They don't LOSE their "White Majority card" because they're Gay. When a Black person walks in the room nobody cares who he's sleeping with the FIRST thing we're judged on is our Skin Color. Racism is a Centuries old stain in America not homophobia.

White Gay Men don't walk around with the word GAY Tattooed on their Forehead. They can enjoy White Privilege just as any White Straight Guy.

White Gay Men are NOT the New Black.

Well, tell that to the redneck motherfuckers who called me gay while I was too young to even knew what the fuck the word meant. Hell, they knew what I was before I knew an official word for it.

There ain't no contest here and we've got the same enemies that you do....the ignorant ass redneck pieces of trash. As long as we act damn fools and try to compete against each other as if we're going to get some sort of an award for who catches the most hell, we'll never be fully equal. We need to be standing united, not divided.

Yep.

GaryMF said:

Speaking on white privilege in the music industry, has anyone else notice that Antonio "L.A." Reid is currently THE only non-white major record label exce (Sony Music Entertainment) in the USA?

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The key word is "major", not the so-called "independent" labels that are co-owned by major record labels.

Graycap23 said:

GaryMF said:

If you are askin if the bolded statements he made which were sweeping generalizations based on prejudiced stereotypes, Yes I am saying both of those statement are NOT TRUE. In my previous post I provided historical context as to why.

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Moreover, If you can't understand why those statement, which are the part and parcel of KKK, White Supremicist, Nazi, and other hate groups' rhetoric, similar to their other rehtoric of hate about Blacks, gays, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities, there is no point to this discussion.

But I'm sure as hell not going to sit back and be silent, ON A THREAD ABOUT RACISM AND PREJUDICE and watch people engage or promote these offensive stereotypes of any kind, whether it's against Jews, Blacks, gays or other groups.

Have u read the book "the Jewish phenomenon"?

I had not heard of it until you mentioned it. Reading the summaries on Amazon, it sounds like much what it is about is what I put in my post..... I may pick it up. Thanks.

Who cares Black, Latin Or White, Sales, all BS. It come down If you like certain artist. I admire all 5 artistS Whit, Elvis, MJ, Sam Cooke and Beatles. Now todays music offers some good stuff, while there Is BS music and always will.

TonyVanDam said:

Speaking on white privilege in the music industry, has anyone else notice that Antonio "L.A." Reid is currently THE only non-white major record label exce (Sony Music Entertainment) in the USA?

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The key word is "major", not the so-called "independent" labels that are co-owned by major record labels.

Could you find a woman in the higher echolons?

And did you search for info that confirms your ideas

or are you actually open to challenge your own prejudices?

Do you disticnt major and independent by profit, income of ceo's or influence?

Just had a thought.


There are not many Palestianans who can make a career in music, are there?

dJJ said:

TonyVanDam said:

Speaking on white privilege in the music industry, has anyone else notice that Antonio "L.A." Reid is currently THE only non-white major record label exce (Sony Music Entertainment) in the USA?

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The key word is "major", not the so-called "independent" labels that are co-owned by major record labels.

Could you find a woman in the higher echolons?

And did you search for info that confirms your ideas

or are you actually open to challenge your own prejudices?

Do you disticnt major and independent by profit, income of ceo's or influence?

Is Sylvia Rhodes even in the music industry anymore?!?

TonyVanDam said:

kitbradley said:

Black folks predjudiced against whites and gays???? Noooooo!

Those few blacks that are tranny hunters on a down low do NOT count.

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Just saying!

Come on, we don't need to take the piss out of Eddie Murphy, his career already is.

how bout we just kill this topic?

it makes no sense to place blame on all the people of one race because some artists of the opposite race don't sell as much as other artists of the same race

[Edited 4/27/13 15:10pm]

JasonWill1980 said:

how bout we just kill this topic?

it makes no sense to place blame on all the people of one race because some artists of the opposite race don't sell as much as other artists of the same race

[Edited 4/27/13 15:10pm]

How about you open up a book or two on the subject?

White privilege is not about jealousy. You can't reduce a systematic, indoctrinated aspect of western social culture down to a simple "they mad cause we ballin'" punchline.

White privilege is being protected from social mistreatment, whether the benefits are material or whether they are social. Its the presumptions of competence, intelligence, etc. as well as material opportunities such as jobs or as in this case, financial gain. Racism is racial oppression and in truth, THAT is getting better in this country, but only because there has been a huge effort to change it. White privilege is a presumed protection against mistreatment and that is NOT getting better in this country because the thing about privilege is that you can have it without admitting you have it and because you are under the complexion of protection, you can assume it without doing anything. The argument that is usually present is based on a strawman argument rooted in the unanimity of outcome (i.e., if white privilege exists, then why aren't all white people rich, etc.?) but the fact is that you don't have to have a unanimous outcome in order to be privileged because there are so many different aspects of it.

The fact that one can arrogantly declare on a message board that "this topic does not suit me, therefore we should just stop talking about it" is a stong indicator of said indoctrination of privilege to the point of an expected result,( i.e., "I am the white man and I say it, therefore it is).

I know this will fall on deaf ears, (as usual around here) but its a lot less about blame and a lot more about acknowledgement. The reason white privilege is not getting any better is because it is constructed so that all you have to do is show up and be white to experience some aspect of it. The social benefits alone are so vast that it would take pages to list even a small portion, yet it exists nonetheless and continues to go on unquestioned by most.

Its a lot less about "whites run the western world therefore we will oppress all others and more about being in a position to choose to be oblivious to someone else who is not white. White people in America and the West can or choose to or choose not to participate in other non white cultural, educational or social aspects without their credibility being brought into question. Whites can ignore others' perspectives without consequence. Whites can ignore, participate in or disparage minority activistism or culture of any sort without ramification. There is no fear of negative consequences. Having the option to choose to simply be comfortable around those of your own ilk, choosing to only participate in social environments and activities that involve those of whom you have the most commonalities, all the while being oblivious to all others is privilege. This includes music. It goes further than just privilege in the U.S. but I'm only addressing the privilege aspect right now. It exists and examples ranging from deciding that a thrad should be discontinued all the way up to choosing to ignore a whole culture are examples of it. No other race can be oblivious to white culture in the U.S. Whites can choose to be oblivious to all other cultures in western society without their integrity being brought into question. That is white privilege. Whites can worry about racism without being seen as self- interested...or not worry about it at all. That is white privilege.

In music, all you have to do is look at Eminem, Karmin, Adele, Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, Macklemore, etc. to see how it translates to artists.

In the business aspect, its even more obvious when you look at the top echelons of the industry.

Whites can have the "urban" cultural experiences with minimal (safe) exposure to the people of that culture. Money can be made off the music without the music having a substantial, long-lasting or significant impact and without it directly benefitting the culture that created it. (Hello, hip-hop) Culutal representation can be declared and even deemed superior by sheer majority participation of the declaration.

The image of black Americans (which is not controlled by black America) has been sullied around the world so much to a point at which most other cultures really want nothing to do with African Americans due to an unevenly biased "preceeded reputation" created by whites. Why would the movies and music do as well overseas when salt has already been thrown? This would never happen to white culture.

That is white privilege.

[Edited 4/28/13 6:44am]

BlaqueKnight said:

Yes, I agree with you there is a lot of ignorance among white people.

And I value your post very much.

However, you forget to add the word male behind white.

Because in the current societal ranking of people,

I think white woman come after black men.

And black women after the white women.

And asian women after the black women.

BlaqueKnight said:

JasonWill1980 said:

how bout we just kill this topic?

it makes no sense to place blame on all the people of one race because some artists of the opposite race don't sell as much as other artists of the same race

[Edited 4/27/13 15:10pm]

How about you open up a book or two on the subject?

White privilege is not about jealousy. You can't reduce a systematic, indoctrinated aspect of western social culture down to a simple "they mad cause we ballin'" punchline.

White privilege is being protected from social mistreatment, whether the benefits are material or whether they are social. Its the presumptions of competence, intelligence, etc. as well as material opportunities such as jobs or as in this case, financial gain. Racism is racial oppression and in truth, THAT is getting better in this country, but only because there has been a huge effort to change it. White privilege is a presumed protection against mistreatment and that is NOT getting better in this country because the thing about privilege is that you can have it without admitting you have it and because you are under the complexion of protection, you can assume it without doing anything. The argument that is usually present is based on a strawman argument rooted in the unanimity of outcome (i.e., if white privilege exists, then why aren't all white people rich, etc.?) but the fact is that you don't have to have a unanimous outcome in order to be privileged because there are so many different aspects of it.

The fact that one can arrogantly declare on a message board that "this topic does not suit me, therefore we should just stop talking about it" is a stong indicator of said indoctrination of privilege to the point of an expected result,( i.e., "I am the white man and I say it, therefore it is).

I know this will fall on deaf ears, (as usual around here) but its a lot less about blame and a lot more about acknowledgement. The reason white privilege is not getting any better is because it is constructed so that all you have to do is show up and be white to experience some aspect of it. The social benefits alone are so vast that it would take pages to list even a small portion, yet it exists nonetheless and continues to go on unquestioned by most.

Its a lot less about "whites run the western world therefore we will oppress all others and more about being in a position to choose to be oblivious to someone else who is not white. White people in America and the West can or choose to or choose not to participate in other non white cultural, educational or social aspects without their credibility being brought into question. Whites can ignore others' perspectives without consequence. Whites can ignore, participate in or disparage minority activistism or culture of any sort without ramification. There is no fear of negative consequences. Having the option to choose to simply be comfortable around those of your own ilk, choosing to only participate in social environments and activities that involve those of whom you have the most commonalities, all the while being oblivious to all others is privilege. This includes music. It goes further than just privilege in the U.S. but I'm only addressing the privilege aspect right now. It exists and examples ranging from deciding that a thrad should be discontinued all the way up to choosing to ignore a whole culture are examples of it. No other race can be oblivious to white culture in the U.S. Whites can choose to be oblivious to all other cultures in western society without their integrity being brought into question. That is white privilege. Whites can worry about racism without being seen as self- interested...or not worry about it at all. That is white privilege.

In music, all you have to do is look at Eminem, Karmin, Adele, Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, Macklemore, etc. to see how it translates to artists.

In the business aspect, its even more obvious when you look at the top echelons of the industry.

Whites can have the "urban" cultural experiences with minimal (safe) exposure to the people of that culture. Money can be made off the music without the music having a substantial, long-lasting or significant impact and without it directly benefitting the culture that created it. (Hello, hip-hop) Culutal representation can be declared and even deemed superior by sheer majority participation of the declaration.

The image of black Americans (which is not controlled by black America) has been sullied around the world so much to a point at which most other cultures really want nothing to do with African Americans due to an unevenly biased "preceeded reputation" created by whites. Why would the movies and music do as well overseas when salt has already been thrown? This would never happen to white culture.

That is white privilege.

[Edited 4/28/13 6:44am]

BlaqueKnight said:

How about you open up a book or two on the subject?

White privilege is not about jealousy. You can't reduce a systematic, indoctrinated aspect of western social culture down to a simple "they mad cause we ballin'" punchline.

White privilege is being protected from social mistreatment, whether the benefits are material or whether they are social. Its the presumptions of competence, intelligence, etc. as well as material opportunities such as jobs or as in this case, financial gain. Racism is racial oppression and in truth, THAT is getting better in this country, but only because there has been a huge effort to change it. White privilege is a presumed protection against mistreatment and that is NOT getting better in this country because the thing about privilege is that you can have it without admitting you have it and because you are under the complexion of protection, you can assume it without doing anything. The argument that is usually present is based on a strawman argument rooted in the unanimity of outcome (i.e., if white privilege exists, then why aren't all white people rich, etc.?) but the fact is that you don't have to have a unanimous outcome in order to be privileged because there are so many different aspects of it.

The fact that one can arrogantly declare on a message board that "this topic does not suit me, therefore we should just stop talking about it" is a stong indicator of said indoctrination of privilege to the point of an expected result,( i.e., "I am the white man and I say it, therefore it is).

I know this will fall on deaf ears, (as usual around here) but its a lot less about blame and a lot more about acknowledgement. The reason white privilege is not getting any better is because it is constructed so that all you have to do is show up and be white to experience some aspect of it. The social benefits alone are so vast that it would take pages to list even a small portion, yet it exists nonetheless and continues to go on unquestioned by most.

Its a lot less about "whites run the western world therefore we will oppress all others and more about being in a position to choose to be oblivious to someone else who is not white. White people in America and the West can or choose to or choose not to participate in other non white cultural, educational or social aspects without their credibility being brought into question. Whites can ignore others' perspectives without consequence. Whites can ignore, participate in or disparage minority activistism or culture of any sort without ramification. There is no fear of negative consequences. Having the option to choose to simply be comfortable around those of your own ilk, choosing to only participate in social environments and activities that involve those of whom you have the most commonalities, all the while being oblivious to all others is privilege. This includes music. It goes further than just privilege in the U.S. but I'm only addressing the privilege aspect right now. It exists and examples ranging from deciding that a thrad should be discontinued all the way up to choosing to ignore a whole culture are examples of it. No other race can be oblivious to white culture in the U.S. Whites can choose to be oblivious to all other cultures in western society without their integrity being brought into question. That is white privilege. Whites can worry about racism without being seen as self- interested...or not worry about it at all. That is white privilege.

In music, all you have to do is look at Eminem, Karmin, Adele, Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, Macklemore, etc. to see how it translates to artists.

In the business aspect, its even more obvious when you look at the top echelons of the industry.

Whites can have the "urban" cultural experiences with minimal (safe) exposure to the people of that culture. Money can be made off the music without the music having a substantial, long-lasting or significant impact and without it directly benefitting the culture that created it. (Hello, hip-hop) Culutal representation can be declared and even deemed superior by sheer majority participation of the declaration.

The image of black Americans (which is not controlled by black America) has been sullied around the world so much to a point at which most other cultures really want nothing to do with African Americans due to an unevenly biased "preceeded reputation" created by whites. Why would the movies and music do as well overseas when salt has already been thrown? This would never happen to white culture.

That is white privilege.

[Edited 4/28/13 6:44am]

Amen! That is one of the reasons that inspired me to start this topic. People wanna deny that white privilege and racism exists, but it does... in a BIG way. Some things are getting better yes, but there is still a whole lot to work on.

Really apreciate this thread.

Because I hope the readers don't limit their contemplations about their habits that, unintentionally,

reinforce current racial division of power structures, but also about how they reinforce their habit of valueing both genders the same, as sexual orientation.

I hate it when somebody treats me, assuming that I'm a white racist, or not as capable as a guy.

And I talk about races and prejudices openly, with the people around me, in order to prevent the silencing as if it's no issue. It always is.

Just like gender.

The Beatles and Elvis have sold more because they have been around longer and have larger catalogues than MJ.

I understand white privilege, but I also understand Green privilege. Anything that can bring in the money will get promoted. But the real issue is class-ism. The people in power don't want to give up the money or power to others.

When a white woman talks about her struggles in a world run by privileged men, people shut up and listen.

When a white disabled person talks their struggles in a world run by privileged abled people, people shut up and listen.

When a white homosexual talks aout their struggles in a world run by privileged heterosexuals, people shut up and listen.

When white trans gender people talks about their struggles in a world run by privileged cisgender people, people shut up and listen.

When people of color talk about their struggles in a wolrd run by privileged white people, they are told to sit down and shut up.

All the while while those same white people accuse them of 'reverse racism.'

Go fucking figure.

ummm

Unholyalliance said:

When a white woman talks about her struggles in a world run by privileged men, people shut up and listen.

When a white disabled person talks their struggles in a world run by privileged abled people, people shut up and listen.

When a white homosexual talks aout their struggles in a world run by privileged heterosexuals, people shut up and listen.

When white trans gender people talks about their struggles in a world run by privileged cisgender people, people shut up and listen.

When people of color talk about their struggles in a wolrd run by privileged white people, they are told to sit down and shut up.

All the while while those same white people accuse them of 'reverse racism.'

Go fucking figure.

And yet a black man became president of the USA before a white woman, before a white (open) homosexual and before a white transgender person.

Go fucking figure.

TonyVanDam said:

dJJ said:

Could you find a woman in the higher echolons?

And did you search for info that confirms your ideas

or are you actually open to challenge your own prejudices?

Do you disticnt major and independent by profit, income of ceo's or influence?

Is Sylvia Rhodes even in the music industry anymore?!?

Yes Sylvia Rhone is still at it. See Below...

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http://www.hollywoodrepor...ure-416843

Sylvia Rhone Announces Joint Venture With Epic Records

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The new union has a name, Vested in Culture, and a slate of first releases.

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The label's first releases will be the debut from Latin pop star Kat Dahlia, followed by a new album from indie pop duo Quadron and the debut LP from R&B singer-songwriter Deon Young. Other artists on the roster include pop singer-songwriter Sebastian Mikael and Los Angeles rappers Casey Veggies and Cashius Green.

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"It gives me great pleasure to work alongside the most successful female record executive of all time," remarked Reid. "She has taste, style, vision and she has my complete support."

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While many expected Rhone to restart the Portrait imprint through Epic, the new venture's name was not confirmed until Wednesday. Reid and worked together for many years under current Sony Music head Doug Morris at Universal; she left her post at the helm of Universal Motown in May of 2011, a few months after Morris joined Sony. She previously worked with Morris for many years at Warner Music, ultimately rising to Chairman/CEO of the Elektra Entertainment Group.

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"The partnership between Vested in Culture and Epic Records marks an exciting new chapter in my career," stated Rhone. "I have a tremendous amount of respect for Doug Morris and L.A. Reid, and couldn't ask to work with better music men than them. I look forward to building a great label and being a part of their continued success."

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sexton said:

Graycap23 said:

sexton said:

And yet a black man became president of the USA before a white woman, before a white (open) homosexual and before a white transgender person.

Go fucking figure.

What is the price of tea in China 2day?

I was waiting for this. I have my response all typed out for you:

What I'm saying is those previously mentioned groups of people also still face discrimination today--even more discrimination than black men in careers such as politics apparently.

sexton said:

Graycap23 said:

sexton said:

I was waiting for this. I have my response all typed out for you:

What I'm saying is those previously mentioned groups of people also still face discrimination today--even more discrimination than black men in careers such as politics apparently.

Keep falling for the divide and conquer tactic that people in power like to use so effectively. It prevents everyone from getting ahead.

Have looked at the makeup of congress lately?

Over 100 African Americans have historically served in Congress vs. six open homosexuals. Don't even ask about transgenders.

kitbradley said:

mjscarousal said:

Completely disagree and Rihanna is not African American.

I do agree they have the cross overlook: European features and lightbrown skin.

They have a "package image" which doesnt just end with "looks" but Ive seen plenty of black girls who look like Beyonce and alot that look better. Yes she is attractive but yall really overrate her looks like she is Elizabeth Taylor Her marketing/backing is why she is popular and has lasted as long as she has. She overexposes herself because trust and believe nobody cares about her. She has peaked.

Tamia, Mya, Ameria, Monica, Esperaza ETC are all attractive African American women BUT dont have the same marketing and dont make the same lack luster pop music. People kill me with making it seem like Beyonces look is "rare" when most of her attractiveness has to do with her intensive weave and makeup.

She is apart of a machine and has a corporate backing, that is why she is constantly in our faces.

[Edited 4/12/13 14:46pm]

I never said Rhianna is "African-American". I said she is black, which she is. There are other blacks besides African-Americans.

And as far as someone making the statement about Ledesi and Anthony Hamilton making the same type of music as Adele and not receiving the same fanfare, again, I think much of it has to do with their look. Non-black audiences may not be a comfortable with Ledesi's and Anthony's more traditional looks. It doesn't matter how well you can sing. No one really cares about vocal talent anymore. In today's industry, it's all about the total (visual) package. Ledisi and Anthony are not as visually appealing. And, unless you are a rapper, that visual aspect has to be there in order to have a chance for crossover success.

[Edited 4/17/13 9:15am]

(Bolded part). I'm not sure it that is true, especially for years, many of the Motown artists looked like then, and many non-Blacks from that era are very familiar with r&b/soul songs of the Motown era. On top of that, more White youth buy rap than Black youth, and many Black rap artists are the complexions of Ledisi and Anthony. Secondly, more White youth in present day have been exposed to non-White musicians/artists, so I don't see how they would feel uncomfortable with those artists.

I agree there is still institutional racism in this country, and within the music industry, and that will not go away anytime soon. It is not easy for many to admit that there is still racism in America. Racism in America, is still a very, touchy and sensitive topic, as you can tell by some reactions on this thread There are many who can't discuss racism as an 'open and comfortable' topic, without thinking they are being 'singled out or being blamed' for something It's too bad, because it shows many Americans, still can't talk about it comfortably, so the problem will continue to exist.

MJ Carousel, for some reason I have a problem with people not referring to Rihanna as being Black or African-American; as she has been living in the states, for quite sometime, and I am assuming she is an American citizen by now and has adapted/ and adopted to Black American/African-American culture. She is a black female by American standards, although born into the Caribbean culture, so yes she would still be considered Black as a citizen of America, even if she was raised under the Caribbean culture, regardless of her light complexion.

Just like my parents who were born in the Caribbean, but wasn't raised with Black/African-American customs, but share a similar ancestral history with many Black Americans. My parents adapted to Black American culture once they moved to the states, as inclusion of their raised Caribbean culture.

Only difference with Caribbeans is that they identify by their island of birth, they consider their culture, i.e., Jamaican/Trinidadian/Bejan, etc., or as a general identity 'West Indians', (<--which is a culture-not a racial group), whereas Black Americans identify moreso by America's 'color' system, as White Americans as a whole, which are the only two groups in America, among the rest, who identify by a color system, moreso than by an ethnic identity.

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sexton said:

And yet a black man became president of the USA before a white woman, before a white (open) homosexual and before a white transgender person.

Go fucking figure.

While most people would say that race as we consider it to be no longer exists as we are familiar with it, Obama's mixed heritage must not be glossed over for the sake of your argument.

Unholyalliance said:

sexton said:

And yet a black man became president of the USA before a white woman, before a white (open) homosexual and before a white transgender person.

Go fucking figure.

While most people would say that race as we consider it to be no longer exists as we are familiar with it, Obama's mixed heritage must not be glossed over for the sake of your argument.

Are we really going to have this debate again?

sexton said:

Unholyalliance said:

When a white woman talks about her struggles in a world run by privileged men, people shut up and listen.

When a white disabled person talks their struggles in a world run by privileged abled people, people shut up and listen.

When a white homosexual talks aout their struggles in a world run by privileged heterosexuals, people shut up and listen.

When white trans gender people talks about their struggles in a world run by privileged cisgender people, people shut up and listen.

When people of color talk about their struggles in a wolrd run by privileged white people, they are told to sit down and shut up.

All the while while those same white people accuse them of 'reverse racism.'

Go fucking figure.

And yet a black man became president of the USA before a white woman, before a white (open) homosexual and before a white transgender person.

Go fucking figure.

Yeah and you see the racial tones, racial connotations, and all the bs that that

black president has had to deal with and still now as we speak that no white

president before him has had to deal with.

Go fucking figure.

phunkdaddy said:

sexton said:

And yet a black man became president of the USA before a white woman, before a white (open) homosexual and before a white transgender person.

Go fucking figure.

Yeah and you see the racial tones, racial connotations, and all the bs that that

black president has had to deal with and still now as we speak that no white

president before him has had to deal with.

Go fucking figure.

According to Unholyalliance, Obama is of mixed heritage and therefore doesn't have to deal with racism like real black men.

Go fucking figure.