This thread is AWSOME!

It really exposes some of the black racists on this site.

Look at some of the comments made in this thread.If a white person said half this shit about ANYONE else all hell would break loose.

It is obvious that there are some black folks on this siite have real predjudices towards whites and gays.

i think the music industry has a lot of politics... thats why some artists sell more than others... but its not all about white privilege. why do people think all white people are rich and such? i know whites especially in the good 'ol U.S. of A constitute the majority but look... i am proud to say that i see someone that looks like me and has the same background as i do in the White House today. I'm sorry, but I think sometimes we go too deep into things

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mask said:

This thread is AWSOME!

It really exposes some of the black racists on this site.

Look at some of the comments made in this thread.If a white person said half this shit about ANYONE else all hell would break loose.

It is obvious that there are some black folks on this siite have real predjudices towards whites and gays.

Black folks predjudiced against whites and gays???? Noooooo!

GaryMF said:

BlaqueKnight said:

The real differences come in when its time to get that money. Most of the BIG bosses in music are old white guys. Yeah, you can name Diddy, L.A. Reid and a couple of others but those guys are mid-level to upper mid-level players and are just tokens put in place to keep up appearances. None are on Sumner Redstone's level or people of his ilk. They are all older white males and most are Jewish.

Oviously racism still exists.

However it's ironic that in a thread about racism/prejudice you feel the need to point out people's religion. Esp considering that ant-Semitism also still exists, and the "Jews control XXXX" has historically been part of institutionalized anti-Jewish hatred/oppression.

Carry on.

If I said "black American males score lower on certain tests than whites and asians" or "much of the inner-urban area crime is based in black and latino communities", some would say that its racist. It would also be true. When stating who is in what position and where, I STATED THE TRUTH. Just because it doesn't fit into a politically correct box doesn't make it any less true. You can't deter from facts just by making an attempt to deem it anti-semetic. The truth is the truth. The thread is about white privilege IN THE MUSIC, so lets not try to pretend its inconsequential to the outcome of careers and where the power lies. Does the fact that most of the major players are Jewish play a part in all of this? OF COURSE IT DOES. Its just as much of a factor as all of them being white. As a matter of fact, religion is just as much of if not more of a binding commonality amongst people; especially people with roots outside of the U.S.

JasonWill1980 said:

i think the music industry has a lot of politics... thats why some artists sell more than others... but its not all about white privilege. why do people think all white people are rich and such? i know whites especially in the good 'ol U.S. of A constitute the majority but look... i am proud to say that i see someone that looks like me and has the same background as i do in the White House today. I'm sorry, but I think sometimes we go too deep into things

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......and most times "we" don't go deep enough.

Bullshit.

Why are you so worried about what whitey is doing?

There are all kinds of communities who have their own established culture, successful businesses & communities.

What sets all these other communities apart from black communities?

I find it hard to believe it's white privilege- that sounds like an excuse.

I'm sick of hearing about this mythological white privilege. What do you need whitey for exactly?

Cuddles said:

Bullshit.

Why are you so worried about what whitey is doing?

There are all kinds of communities who have their own established culture, successful businesses & communities.

What sets all these other communities apart from black communities?

I find it hard to believe it's white privilege- that sounds like an excuse.

I'm sick of hearing about this mythological white privilege. What do you need whitey for exactly?

Cuddles said:

Bullshit.

Why are you so worried about what whitey is doing?

There are all kinds of communities who have their own established culture, successful businesses & communities.

What sets all these other communities apart from black communities?

I find it hard to believe it's white privilege- that sounds like an excuse.

I'm sick of hearing about this mythological white privilege. What do you need whitey for exactly?

I take it you must be under the age of 18. Why? Because I find very IMPOSSIBLE to believe that you actually believe in the bullshit that you just said.

kitbradley said:

mask said:

This thread is AWSOME!

It really exposes some of the black racists on this site.

Look at some of the comments made in this thread.If a white person said half this shit about ANYONE else all hell would break loose.

It is obvious that there are some black folks on this siite have real predjudices towards whites and gays.

Black folks predjudiced against whites and gays???? Noooooo!

Those few blacks that are tranny hunters on a down low do NOT count.

.

Just saying!

BlaqueKnight said:

GaryMF said:

Oviously racism still exists.

However it's ironic that in a thread about racism/prejudice you feel the need to point out people's religion. Esp considering that ant-Semitism also still exists, and the "Jews control XXXX" has historically been part of institutionalized anti-Jewish hatred/oppression.

Carry on.

If I said "black American males score lower on certain tests than whites and asians" or "much of the inner-urban area crime is based in black and latino communities", some would say that its racist. It would also be true. When stating who is in what position and where, I STATED THE TRUTH. Just because it doesn't fit into a politically correct box doesn't make it any less true. You can't deter from facts just by making an attempt to deem it anti-semetic. The truth is the truth. The thread is about white privilege IN THE MUSIC, so lets not try to pretend its inconsequential to the outcome of careers and where the power lies. Does the fact that most of the major players are Jewish play a part in all of this? OF COURSE IT DOES. Its just as much of a factor as all of them being white. As a matter of fact, religion is just as much of if not more of a binding commonality amongst people; especially people with roots outside of the U.S.

What truth? That SOME executives in the music industry are Jewish? How about non-Jewish music executives?

And because they Jewish that somehow is contributing to racism in the music industry?? That is bullshit and pure supposition on your part, at best. As a group, Jews in the US have historically worked on the side of equal rights for blacks, not against.

Moreover, as a black person, surely you understand the concept of how making statements that have a historical background of supporting and instigating oppression, violence and hatred is not doing any good towards creating a world of tolerance and equality.

You know, you could have included "blacks eat watermelon and fried chicken" in your examples. That is true too, but it also historically has been part of instituionalized oppression and hatred of blacks in the US.

Promoting "the Jews control the ___" propoganda historically and currently is part and parcel of anit-semitism and hatred.

Also, based on your "OF COURSE IT HAS TO DO WITH" logic.....we could count some other INDIVIDUALS in the music industry......Berry Gordy, Norman Whitfield, Dick Griffey. All 3 exploited their black artists, ripped them off, cheated them, blah blah blah.

All 3 were black males. Based on your logic, it's OBVIOUS that they oppressed their own black artists because they were black men. Ergo, black men are racists against blacks. Gee that makes sense...not!

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All of that grandstanding, strawmaning and subject switching you just did was useless.

I am not talking about ALL Jewish people nor am I talking about all black people.

I am talking about the handful of older white males who pretty much run the entertainment industry. They are older, they are white and yes, MOST ARE JEWISH. That is not a statement about all Jewish people, so don't try to make it out to be some "you talk about one; you talk about all" B.S.

That is not the case. Again, you mention a couple of mid-level players like Gordy.

Sumner Redstone and Edgar Bronfman are bigwigs. They wipe their asses with more money than Gordy and the like will ever see. The heads at the tables in the music biz are the same old boys' club that its been for a while now. The business is still racist and won't allow black promoters to promote major white acts. Those are facts. There are class action lawsuits over that whole business. Refusing to acknowledge the guity party is just as much of a contribution to racism as the deeds of the guity.

Oh, and having white skin in the U.S. is an advantage in almost all aspects of American life, including the music business. Pretending otherwise is just as racist because it perpetuates that climate of behavior via denial.

People think they can just declare "oh that's not happening anymore" and it becomes so. That is not a call to be made by the oppressors; that call is reserved for those being oppressed.

That is like letting a rapist determine the condition of the person they raped.

BlaqueKnight said:

All of that grandstanding, strawmaning and subject switching you just did was useless.

I am not talking about ALL Jewish people nor am I talking about all black people.

I am talking about the handful of older white males who pretty much run the entertainment industry. They are older, they are white and yes, MOST ARE JEWISH. That is not a statement about all Jewish people, so don't try to make it out to be some "you talk about one; you talk about all" B.S.

That is not the case. Again, you mention a couple of mid-level players like Gordy.

Sumner Redstone and Edgar Bronfman are bigwigs. They wipe their asses with more money than Gordy and the like will ever see. The heads at the tables in the music biz are the same old boys' club that its been for a while now. The business is still racist and won't allow black promoters to promote major white acts. Those are facts. There are class action lawsuits over that whole business. Refusing to acknowledge the guity party is just as much of a contribution to racism as the deeds of the guity.

Oh, and having white skin in the U.S. is an advantage in almost all aspects of American life, including the music business. Pretending otherwise is just as racist because it perpetuates that climate of behavior via denial.

People think they can just declare "oh that's not happening anymore" and it becomes so. That is not a call to be made by the oppressors; that call is reserved for those being oppressed.

That is like letting a rapist determine the condition of the person they raped.

I am not grandstanding or subject switching.

And I never denied there is white privilige. In fact I started my post saying, "yes there is racism!".

I'm glad in your post above you clarify you are referring to specific INDIVIDUALS, rather than a whole group of people.

Nevertheless, these FACTS still remain:

1. The concept of "Jews control ____" is rhetoric used by hate groups in the past (Nazis) and today, and is a catalyst for oppression, hatred and voilence against Jews. Thus, when I that sentiment expressed, I call it out. Your recent post has clarified somewhat, but you can see how the original comment rings similarly to the typical rhetoric. Given this post is about prejudice and racism, I find that extremely ironic.

2. Your originanl post implies that these individuals (and btw not ALL record execs are Jewish), are oppressing Black artists, promoters, etc. BECAUSE they are Jewish. That is a huge inference and supposition on your part. The same could be said for the assumption that they are doing it because they are white. For the latter, however, there is huge amount of historical and current data of white oppression against blacks. Though it's still an inference that these people are being assholes because they are white. It's possible, and even somewhat likely given historical data.

But your comment that it's because they are Jewish assumes and implies that somehow there is something about jews that makes them oppress blacks. That is spurious logic, and personally I find that concept offensive. It promotes the idea that Jews are racist and against blacks, even thoguh you are talking about a few people, you assume it's their religion that is causing their alleged prejudice. You have no evidence to back it up.

3. Not a fact, but I find it shocking you call Berry Gordy a mid-level player. He founded Motown and had a bigger impact on American and Global music IMO than Clive Davis or his ilk.

4. Did it ever occur to you that these handful of individuals who control the music industry are simply assholes? Being and asshole is not relegated to one race or religion btw.

Finally, in terms of "grandstanding and subject switching", please do not lump me in with people on this thread who are denying white privilge or "attacing the rapist" etc. I started my contribution to this thread acknowledging racism clearly still exists. I only added to this thread becasue I started to see other types of prejudice creeping in.

BlaqueKnight said:

There is white priviliege in any and all aspects of American life, including music. This is not news. We deal with it and keep on moving. Never let anything stop you from doing you.

Young generation of Americans grow up with a Black president.

To them it's normal that a Black person has the most powerful, leading job in America.

Think about that.

I really think times are changing.

Institutions that form the old power structures change by pressure of pressure groups.


I don't think it is much easier for a white musician than a coloured one, to succeed nowadays.

[Edited 4/23/13 15:33pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

GaryMF said:

Oviously racism still exists.

However it's ironic that in a thread about racism/prejudice you feel the need to point out people's religion. Esp considering that ant-Semitism also still exists, and the "Jews control XXXX" has historically been part of institutionalized anti-Jewish hatred/oppression.

Carry on.

If I said "black American males score lower on certain tests than whites and asians" or "much of the inner-urban area crime is based in black and latino communities", some would say that its racist. It would also be true. When stating who is in what position and where, I STATED THE TRUTH. Just because it doesn't fit into a politically correct box doesn't make it any less true. You can't deter from facts just by making an attempt to deem it anti-semetic. The truth is the truth. The thread is about white privilege IN THE MUSIC, so lets not try to pretend its inconsequential to the outcome of careers and where the power lies. Does the fact that most of the major players are Jewish play a part in all of this? OF COURSE IT DOES. Its just as much of a factor as all of them being white. As a matter of fact, religion is just as much of if not more of a binding commonality amongst people; especially people with roots outside of the U.S.

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All these things are changing.

Tests are nowadays designed to be as non-cultural biased.

When you talk about research findings of 10 years ago,

that is already outdated and don't reflect current status.

Even findings of research done 5 years ago, can't be generalized to 2013.

.................................

The culture of white Jewish people focuses on money, money and keeping the money within the family.

Because money is so important for Jewish people, that is their main concern and focus in life.

Everything you focus on, grows bigger.

So, yes, there are a lof of Jewish people in the financial decision making positions.

If you are born in a white Jewish family, you will be raised with values that resonate from their heritage. And you will be likely to adopt the values and behaviour of your clan.

.................................

THe music Industry is does not only consist of a few stars that get promoted by the record labels and bosses at MTV or radio stations.

There are a lot of non English speaking bands and artists that the American majority will never hear about.

Since internet, the monopoly of the marketing machines of music corporations will decay.

If I infer from my own experience,

I learn about music by facebook, the org, and friends.

I listen to radio stations that play the music that I like.

And I have no clue or idea what the 'main street' artist do.

The old racial, religious and language structures that dictated the music charts are falling apart as we speak.

.......................................

If you guys are so concerned about equal oppportuneties for everybody,

why do you focus on race that much?

Tune in to the mainstream radio and get the lyrics of the 1st ten songs you hear.

Than replace all the terms that refer to woman as if they refer to Black men, or white men, if you like.

If a musician would sing about black men as they do about women,

there would be huge riots.

Somehow, there is a double standard.

There should be equal opportunities for people from every race.

But men are more equal than women.

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If we manage to keep internet free of governmental ruling,

that transparancy will change the world faster than you guys can imagine.

Power can be excerted by manipulating the information that is available,

and thus dictate how and what opinions the general public promote.

Russia, China and before Italy, are countries where the political leaders decide what is on tv and internet.

The people who live in countries with acces to information and have beed educated on how to value and weight that information are in the position to excert change.

....................................

You can make a change if you want.

Don't play the victim card.

Learn to play the card game and change the rules along the way.

Emancipation89 said:

1. The content of his songs as a white rapper. Especially when you go abroad it matters even more. I mean when I really think about hip hop culture and how it originated, it makes clear sense to me. If you were a white European or Asian who's not even familiar with racism issues in the US, what type of music do you think you'd gravitate towards to more? Black rappers who talk about racism, money, bitches & ho's and then some more racism and injustice of American society? Or a white rapper who talks about relatively common issues, bitches & ho's, and weird al-like comedic parodies that's easy to listen to and watch to get a silly laugh out of it? (I'm not implying black rappers don't use humor and parodies but generally speaking.) Even when Eminem gets "deep" it's either his personal stories or universal problems that everyone can relate to, as his biggest hits speak for themselves.

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3. (Personally I don't think this is heavily related to his race like above two reasons I've mentioned but) He enunciates his words when raps, and there's not that many hip hop artists who do that - believe it or not this really makes a big difference to not only folks who're not familiar with rap music but especially to people who speak English as a second language.

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I've learned the meaning of lyrics here on the org.

But the local dialect English in Rap music,

is only understandable when you'r part of that local language.

So, the rest of the world has no clue what they are singing about.

example:

Snoop Doggy Dog during a festival in The Netherlands:

Trying the whole audiance to rage against the police.

The audiance were puzzled. Why should they do that?

And Snoop had no idea that his rage and prejudiced ideas about law enforcement are not generalized to rest of the whole world.

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It's incredibly naive for anyone to think race doesn't play a role in not only album sales but in movies, television, the media and basically everywhere else. (imo, how big of a role it plays has been gradually changing for the last few decades, in a good way.)

But since we're on topic, I'd also like to talk about "American privilege"


- if you're American and become a superstar, you are pretty much guaranteed to have a solid fanbase in Canada, Latin America, Europe, Asia, Australia, etc....Other than Beatles I've never really seen that happen for any other non-Americans.

In addition to that there's English-speaking privilege also lol. Canadian, British and Australian artists are obviously more generally and widely accepted in the US with the exception of Abba and Shakira. Gang-nam style is just as catchy and horrible quality-wise as LMFAO's "Sexy and I know It" but it never reached #1 in the US because it's not an English song (at least I think that was the main reason)

Gotta go but I'll come back to elaborate on this in the morning lol

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The world does not exist of African-Americans and White Jewish people.


Yes, really.




There are many, many other musicians who create amazing beautiful music.

But the majority of people will never hear it.

Because they only listen to Black or/and White Americans..........

[Edited 4/23/13 15:31pm]

alphastreet said:

I'm going to say this once and I hope I never have to say it again on this board. Unless you are a visible minority, you are NOBODY to say shit about racism being non existent anymore, in or out of the music industry.

I guess i better get my insignificant comments in before this thread gets locked.



Although i think that because of our history in the US of A we sometimes see racism where racism doesn't exist, but the fact of the matter is if a person has white skin they do have a certain amount of privilege in America. That privilege may be big or it may be small but its privilege nevertheless.

One thing i will say though is in addition to feeling compassion for my Black, Asian, Hispanic and Native American brothers and sisters that have to experience racism, i also feel for the white people that aren't racist but labeled as such. What i would say to them though is, if they do have a ancestor that was in any way racist, that ancestor was a contributor to the madness(racism) that were dealing with today.


Anyway...

As far as someone believing that racism doesn't exist on any significant level in America anymore... Well that's just naive and to be blunt, silly.

[Edited 4/23/13 15:23pm]

Chancellor said:

Gunsnhalen said:

As said it is a sad thing but white privilege still exists througout the world and being a white straight male yes you do have it a lot easier than most people.

Don't leave out White Gay Men. They don't LOSE their "White Majority card" because they're Gay. When a Black person walks in the room nobody cares who he's sleeping with the FIRST thing we're judged on is our Skin Color. Racism is a Centuries old stain in America not homophobia.

White Gay Men don't walk around with the word GAY Tattooed on their Forehead. They can enjoy White Privilege just as any White Straight Guy.

White Gay Men are NOT the New Black.

True.

Black people can marry.

Gay people can't.

Black people can have sex in a toilet without getting arrested.

Gay people can't.

JoeyC said:

alphastreet said:

I'm going to say this once and I hope I never have to say it again on this board. Unless you are a visible minority, you are NOBODY to say shit about racism being non existent anymore, in or out of the music industry.

I guess i better get my insignificant comments in before this thread gets locked.



Although i think that because of our history in the US of A we sometimes see racism where racism doesn't exist, but the fact of the matter is if a person has white skin they do have a certain amount of privilege in America. That privilege may be big or it may be small but its privilege nevertheless.

One thing i will say though is in addition to feeling compassion for my Black, Asian, Hispanic and Native American brothers and sisters that have to experience racism, i also feel for the white people that aren't racist but labeled as such. What i would say to them though is, if they do have a ancestor that was in any way racist, that ancestor was a contributor to the madness(racism) that were dealing with today.


Anyway...

As far as someone believing that racism doesn't exist on any significant level in America anymore... Well that's just naive and to be blunt, silly.

[Edited 4/23/13 15:23pm]

There is nobody on this thread who is in denial about how the current power institutions are inhabited by white people.

Yes, there is racism.


Against all kind of colours.

Also by coloured people towards white people.

And there still is white privelige.

And there is a very strong Male privelige.

Women can only be succesful if they pose themselves as sexy and at the full service to men.

If she is not interested in pleasing a man in order to get married, she will not succeed.




I think sexist structures are more decisive than racial structures to establish a career.

[Edited 4/23/13 15:41pm]

TonyVanDam said:

Cuddles said:

Bullshit.

Why are you so worried about what whitey is doing?

There are all kinds of communities who have their own established culture, successful businesses & communities.

What sets all these other communities apart from black communities?

I find it hard to believe it's white privilege- that sounds like an excuse.

I'm sick of hearing about this mythological white privilege. What do you need whitey for exactly?

I take it you must be under the age of 18. Why? Because I find very IMPOSSIBLE to believe that you actually believe in the bullshit that you just said.

Good point.

I think there is a huge generation gap when it comes to being coloured.

The experiences of a 60- year old Afro-American man differ from

those of a 40-year old Afro-American.

But they both seem not able to relate to the frame of reference of 20-year old Afro-Americans.

2--year olds are used to have contact with people from different races.

Kids nowadays don't have the same frame of reference about race.


Kids fortunately grow up knowing that they can become a president.

No matter what race.


However, not if you'r a girl of course.

Girls grow up listening to musicians labeling them "Bitch", "Whore", "Witch" and similar language.

Lyrics and movie characters that teach these girls that their destiny on this earth is to serve men both sexually and financially. And if they don't they get maltreated.


(Huray for Riri)

dJJ said:

All these things are changing.

Tests are nowadays designed to be as non-cultural biased.

When you talk about research findings of 10 years ago,

that is already outdated and don't reflect current status.

Even findings of research done 5 years ago, can't be generalized to 2013.

.................................

The culture of white Jewish people focuses on money, money and keeping the money within the family.

Because money is so important for Jewish people, that is their main concern and focus in life.

Everything you focus on, grows bigger.

So, yes, there are a lof of Jewish people in the financial decision making positions.

If you are born in a white Jewish family, you will be raised with values that resonate from their heritage. And you will be likely to adopt the values and behaviour of your clan.

Whooahhh dude! These comments are extremely offensive, prejudiced, and based on anti-Semitic propoganda.

THe "culture of Jewish" people is based upholding Jewish tradition and customs (i.e. observing the holidays etc. as spelled out in the Bible).

In terms of "culture", if anything is the central value of Judaism outside of religion, it's EDUCATION.

Your comments are above are so offensive I almost can't believe you even wrote them, unless you are part of the KKK or some other hate group.

GaryMF said:

dJJ said:

All these things are changing.

Tests are nowadays designed to be as non-cultural biased.

When you talk about research findings of 10 years ago,

that is already outdated and don't reflect current status.

Even findings of research done 5 years ago, can't be generalized to 2013.

.................................

The culture of white Jewish people focuses on money, money and keeping the money within the family.

Because money is so important for Jewish people, that is their main concern and focus in life.

Everything you focus on, grows bigger.

So, yes, there are a lof of Jewish people in the financial decision making positions.

If you are born in a white Jewish family, you will be raised with values that resonate from their heritage. And you will be likely to adopt the values and behaviour of your clan.

Whooahhh dude! These comments are extremely offensive, prejudiced, and based on anti-Semitic propoganda.

THe "culture of Jewish" people is based upholding Jewish tradition and customs (i.e. observing the holidays etc. as spelled out in the Bible).

In terms of "culture", if anything is the central value of Judaism outside of religion, it's EDUCATION.

Your comments are above are so offensive I almost can't believe you even wrote them, unless you are part of the KKK or some other hate group.

Yes, it's prejudiced and very limited when I would had the intention to sum up the complete Jewish heritage.

However, this was only about the high number of Jewish people in decision making positions in corporate America.

You think that money and protecting the clan is alien to Jewish people?

I'm not part of a hate group or KKK.

Feel free to discuss how wrong my prejudice is about the importance of money and favorism of Jewish people among eachother when it comes to giving eachother jobs etc.

GaryMF said:

dJJ said:

All these things are changing.

Tests are nowadays designed to be as non-cultural biased.

When you talk about research findings of 10 years ago,

that is already outdated and don't reflect current status.

Even findings of research done 5 years ago, can't be generalized to 2013.

.................................

The culture of white Jewish people focuses on money, money and keeping the money within the family.

Because money is so important for Jewish people, that is their main concern and focus in life.

Everything you focus on, grows bigger.

So, yes, there are a lof of Jewish people in the financial decision making positions.

If you are born in a white Jewish family, you will be raised with values that resonate from their heritage. And you will be likely to adopt the values and behaviour of your clan.

Whooahhh dude! These comments are extremely offensive, prejudiced, and based on anti-Semitic propoganda.

THe "culture of Jewish" people is based upholding Jewish tradition and customs (i.e. observing the holidays etc. as spelled out in the Bible).

In terms of "culture", if anything is the central value of Judaism outside of religion, it's EDUCATION.

Your comments are above are so offensive I almost can't believe you even wrote them, unless you are part of the KKK or some other hate group.

Are u saying that none of those things are true?

mask said:

This thread is AWSOME!

It really exposes some of the black racists on this site.

Look at some of the comments made in this thread.If a white person said half this shit about ANYONE else all hell would break loose.

It is obvious that there are some black folks on this siite have real predjudices towards whites and gays.

White is wrong, right?

dJJ said:

JoeyC said:

There is nobody on this thread who is in denial about how the current power institutions are inhabited by white people.

Yes, there is racism.


Against all kind of colours.

Also by coloured people towards white people.

Yep.

I forgot to state that in my original comment.

Women can only be succesful if they pose themselves as sexy and at the full service to men.

If she is not interested in pleasing a man in order to get married, she will not succeed.




I think sexist structures are more decisive than racial structures to establish a career.

I pretty much agree.

[Edited 4/24/13 15:33pm]

dJJ said:

GaryMF said:

Whooahhh dude! These comments are extremely offensive, prejudiced, and based on anti-Semitic propoganda.

THe "culture of Jewish" people is based upholding Jewish tradition and customs (i.e. observing the holidays etc. as spelled out in the Bible).

In terms of "culture", if anything is the central value of Judaism outside of religion, it's EDUCATION.

Your comments are above are so offensive I almost can't believe you even wrote them, unless you are part of the KKK or some other hate group.

Yes, it's prejudiced and very limited when I would had the intention to sum up the complete Jewish heritage.

However, this was only about the high number of Jewish people in decision making positions in corporate America.

You think that money and protecting the clan is alien to Jewish people?

I'm not part of a hate group or KKK.

Feel free to discuss how wrong my prejudice is about the importance of money and favorism of Jewish people among eachother when it comes to giving eachother jobs etc.

Making a statement like "The culture of white Jewish people focuses on money, money and keeping the money within the family" IS COMPLETELY "summing up the entire Jewish heritage" to use your words.

So if you are not prejudiced and promoting hatred, then you need to careful about what you write and say. This is exactly how attitudes start and end up in scenarios like Nazi Germany or slavery in the US.

And in terms of Jewish people in positions of power, it is true that Jews over-index in terms of holding these positions vs. how many Jews there are in the US.

That is due to 2 facts however:

1. The fact that EDUCATION is the key value in Jewish American culture as I stated. This can be empirically supported by the fact that Jews over index in measures such as going to college, having advanced degrees of all sorts (Masters, phds, mba's, JDs, etc.). If you look at who runs the entertainment businesses, it mostly lawers (JDs) and now MBAs.

This focus on education is also why Jews overindex in other areas such as professors, doctors, teachers, scientists, Nobel prize winners, social workers (requires masters) etc. Not all of these professions are high paying , but all require specialized/advanced degrees.

2. The reason Jews are inolved in both the entertainment and financial sectors have to do with the fact that until recent times (last part of the 20th century), Jews were EXCLUDED from being in other businesses.

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In fact, Jews were FORCED INTO BEING FINANCIERS by the European monarchies and governments who forbade Jews to own land, businesses, etc. and forced them to become money-lenders because the Catholic church forbade them to do it themselves so they made Jews do it. Now people whine about Jews being in "Money" but they were forced into that role (in addition to living ghettos).

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In the US, there was similar prejudice (and still is though it less overt now) and Jews were excluded from being in other types of businesses or firms, and early in the 20th century, people looked down on the entertainment business. The upper classes thought being an actor even was something declasse, let alone a business person in entertainment. Thus, it was an area that was open to Jews since the "ruling/elite" class thought it was beneath them, and thus many early founders of Hollywood were in fact Jews who sought to make a living given that other options were closed off to them.

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These 2 factors are why Jews over index in positions of power in the entertainment industry. Do some reasearch before makign blanket statement about an entire culture or people.

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Now, are these few individuals assholes? Probably. Are most of the people who run record companies and movie studios, Jewish or Christian, black or white, assholes? probably.

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If you've worked in the entratinment industry (and I've been in elements of both music and hollywood), you will probably agree with me that most of these guys (and lets not forget that 90% or more are MEN, but that's another topic), are basically assholes.

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In terms of your alleged "importance of money and favorism", ...I'd ask you who or what group is NOT intersted money in the United states? And as stated above, Jews over index in positions that are traditionally underpaid as well such as teachers, social workers, etc. so you can't make a blanket statement.

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Bottom line, you made a sweeping generalization that is based on a stereotype that has been used-quite effectively--throughout history to oppress, hate and actually murder people, so you need to be more careful about what you say.

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Graycap23 said:

Are u saying that none of those things are true?

If you are askin if the bolded statements he made which were sweeping generalizations based on prejudiced stereotypes, Yes I am saying both of those statement are NOT TRUE. In my previous post I provided historical context as to why.

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Moreover, If you can't understand why those statement, which are the part and parcel of KKK, White Supremicist, Nazi, and other hate groups' rhetoric, similar to their other rehtoric of hate about Blacks, gays, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities, there is no point to this discussion.

But I'm sure as hell not going to sit back and be silent, ON A THREAD ABOUT RACISM AND PREJUDICE and watch people engage or promote these offensive stereotypes of any kind, whether it's against Jews, Blacks, gays or other groups.

Of course there's white privelege in music. Hell, for the last 20 years, mainstream black music has been as dull and rhythmless as Lawrence Welk. Hell, it don't get no whiter than that. Why do you think everything crosses over now. It's all white enough for them. You sure as hell didn't see much crossing over when folks like The Barkays, Lakeside, or Con Funk Shun ruled the R&B airwaves. Hell, it was too much rhythm to cross over.

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Gary,you have been on this site long enough to know that there are a handful of African Americans

on this site who spew racist propoganda at every turn.They're racist statements usually are met with little resistance.

Like I said earlier in this thread,African Americans get a free pass here to make wild racist statements.

This thread proves my point...big-time.

Chancellor said:

Gunsnhalen said:

As said it is a sad thing but white privilege still exists througout the world and being a white straight male yes you do have it a lot easier than most people.

Don't leave out White Gay Men. They don't LOSE their "White Majority card" because they're Gay. When a Black person walks in the room nobody cares who he's sleeping with the FIRST thing we're judged on is our Skin Color. Racism is a Centuries old stain in America not homophobia.

White Gay Men don't walk around with the word GAY Tattooed on their Forehead. They can enjoy White Privilege just as any White Straight Guy.

White Gay Men are NOT the New Black.

Well, tell that to the redneck motherfuckers who called me gay while I was too young to even knew what the fuck the word meant. Hell, they knew what I was before I knew an official word for it.

There ain't no contest here and we've got the same enemies that you do....the ignorant ass redneck pieces of trash. As long as we act damn fools and try to compete against each other as if we're going to get some sort of an award for who catches the most hell, we'll never be fully equal. We need to be standing united, not divided.