Identity said:

mjscarousal said:

Sean Penn didnt make an abundance of tweets about it though or made a big deal about it to the media.

There was media coverage; however Penn's motives were never questioned and no one inquired as to whether he'd received proper government clearance.

I did not deny that.

What I said was Sean Penn did not TELL the media "Hey look at me I went to Cuba". He did not instigate the media attention like Jay Z did ( so I dont feel sorry for in that respect)

And YES he should be held accountable for his own immature actions.

Nobody told Jay Z to make tweets about going to Cuba and selling his story

Nobody told Jay Z to write a song about going to Cuba

I admit the White House was dumb for responding but Jay Z has some fault in this as well

TonyVanDam said:

mjscarousal said:

Sean Penn didnt make an abundance of tweets about it though or made a big deal about it to the media.

But then again, Sean Penn don't give a flying f*** what anyone at Fox News thinks.

I dont think Jay Z does either but he purposely made the song for attention.

So I dont know why people expect for people to feel sorry for celebrities who do things for attention and when it backfires they get bashed.

mjscarousal said:

popgodazipa said:

mjscarousal said:

I dont think Jay Z does either but he purposely made the song for attention.

So I dont know why people expect for people to feel sorry for celebrities who do things for attention and when it backfires they get bashed.

Your hate for Jay Z is unreal! Who the hell cares where JayZ vacations...NOBODY! We've got real issues in this Country and you guys fell for the Fox News distraction bullshit.

ROTFL!!!

You are really special

You think just because people are commenting that means they have been keeping up with it on the news?

I havent seen one news report on Jay Z going to cuba as well as heard anything besides what people in this thread have said LOL

I dont watch racist Fox news

I am just commenting on what is being posted.

Why dont you grow a brain and stop believing the bullshit.

Aint nobody hating on that wack ass media driven rapper.

I just call shit like it is, deal with it.

1998. I remember every orger saying Jay sucked. It's funny how opinions change here.

Graycap23 said:

blacklotus said:

1998. I remember every orger saying Jay sucked. It's funny how opinions change here.

Wasn't here in 98

But he still suks

Those lyrics are wack.

Also I love what the representative of The Whitehouse said.

Marco Rubio: Jay-Z Needs to Get Informed on Cuba

By Benjamin Bell | ABC News Blogs – 2 hrs 51 mins ago

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio this morning slammed Jay-Z over his recent trip to Cuba, saying on "This Week" that the rapper needed to "get informed" and that he missed an opportunity to meet the politically oppressed people that live on the island nation south of Florida.

"I think Jay-Z needs to get informed. One of his heroes is Che Guevara. Che Guevara was a racist. Che Guevara was a racist that wrote extensively about the superiority of white Europeans over people of African descent, so he should inform himself on the guy that he's propping up," Rubio said during an interview with ABC News' Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl.

"Secondly, I think if Jay-Z was truly interested in the true state of affairs in Cuba, he would have met people that are being oppressed, including a hip-hop artist in Cuba who is right now being oppressed and persecuted and is undergoing a hunger strike because of his political lyrics," Rubio added. "And I think he missed an opportunity. But that's Jay-Z's issue."

After returning from Cuba last week, Jay-Z produced a new rap entitled "Open Letter," in which he criticized politicians for questioning his trip with his wife Beyoncé to the communist nation. The trip was authorized by the Treasury Department under a licensed program that encourages "meaningful contacts" with the Cuban people.

RELATED: White House Dismisses Jay-Z Song

Rubio, who is of Cuban descent, criticized current U.S. travel policy to the island, which he said was being running by a "tyrannical regime."

"The bigger point is the travel policies. The travel policies need to be tightened because they are being abused," Rubio said. "These are tourist trips, and they are - what they're doing is providing hard currency and funding so that a tyrannical regime can maintain its grip on the island of Cuba, and I think that's wrong."

Rich. Anchor baby, teabagging milksop Rubio lecturing someone on Cuba. You will never be president, son.

Identity said:

Rich. Anchor baby, teabagging milksop Rubio lecturing someone on Cuba. You will never be president, son.

yeah,that guy makes me sick

SoulAlive said:

Identity said:

Rich. Anchor baby, teabagging milksop Rubio lecturing someone on Cuba. You will never be president, son.

yeah,that guy makes me sick

Nobody ever thought the straight man to Bonzo could ever be considered an historic president.

The 43d president was, to hear everyone else tell it, written off by the 41st president (his father) as a young adult.

The 42d president was laughed off the national stage his first time out, and beset by numerous allegations.

All three served 8 years at 1600 Penn.

Anything can happen.

SoulAlive said:

Marco Rubio: Jay-Z Needs to Get Informed on Cuba

By Benjamin Bell | ABC News Blogs – 2 hrs 51 mins ago

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio this morning slammed Jay-Z over his recent trip to Cuba, saying on "This Week" that the rapper needed to "get informed" and that he missed an opportunity to meet the politically oppressed people that live on the island nation south of Florida.

"I think Jay-Z needs to get informed. One of his heroes is Che Guevara. Che Guevara was a racist. Che Guevara was a racist that wrote extensively about the superiority of white Europeans over people of African descent, so he should inform himself on the guy that he's propping up," Rubio said during an interview with ABC News' Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl.

"Secondly, I think if Jay-Z was truly interested in the true state of affairs in Cuba, he would have met people that are being oppressed, including a hip-hop artist in Cuba who is right now being oppressed and persecuted and is undergoing a hunger strike because of his political lyrics," Rubio added. "And I think he missed an opportunity. But that's Jay-Z's issue."

After returning from Cuba last week, Jay-Z produced a new rap entitled "Open Letter," in which he criticized politicians for questioning his trip with his wife Beyoncé to the communist nation. The trip was authorized by the Treasury Department under a licensed program that encourages "meaningful contacts" with the Cuban people.

RELATED: White House Dismisses Jay-Z Song

Rubio, who is of Cuban descent, criticized current U.S. travel policy to the island, which he said was being running by a "tyrannical regime."

"The bigger point is the travel policies. The travel policies need to be tightened because they are being abused," Rubio said. "These are tourist trips, and they are - what they're doing is providing hard currency and funding so that a tyrannical regime can maintain its grip on the island of Cuba, and I think that's wrong."

BULL SHIT!.Who the fuck wrote this? lmao... Che racist? REALLY? is that why he was a supporter of the ANC and Nelson Mandela in the 60s, and was speaking about Apartheid in South Africa and other african nations before any white person was doing so in Europe and the US. He met with Malcolm X and spoke about the injustice of african-americans in the states. He made a long speech about it during his stay in the states, where he stayed in Harlem to support the oppresed population that were mostly black americans. He integrated schools in Cuba before anyone else had thought of it. He went to fight side by side with many africans and helped develop many hospitals and fight against racist whites in Africa. Many of his friends were black.

‘Che Guevara’s feats in our continent were of such magnitude that no prison or censorhip could hide them from us. Che’s life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom.We always honor his memory’
-Nelson Mandela-

http://www.youtube.com/wa...8po84osCl8 His speech during the united nations, where Che Guevara speaks about helping africans and how they are allies of his and racism... He also speaks about the oppression and racism towards black in the states.

These white cubans, always fail with their propaganda shit... (I'm posting this to show people that what they say is just bashing without any evidence...)

[Edited 4/15/13 7:48am]

Why American Business Needs to Follow Beyoncé to Cuba

April 15, 2013

Article

HuMpThAnG said:

blacklotus said:

1998. I remember every orger saying Jay sucked. It's funny how opinions change here.

Wasn't here in 98

But he still suks

He still sucks and his former drug dealing ass needs to get over himself.

GoldDolphin said:

SoulAlive said:

Marco Rubio: Jay-Z Needs to Get Informed on Cuba

By Benjamin Bell | ABC News Blogs – 2 hrs 51 mins ago

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio this morning slammed Jay-Z over his recent trip to Cuba, saying on "This Week" that the rapper needed to "get informed" and that he missed an opportunity to meet the politically oppressed people that live on the island nation south of Florida.

"I think Jay-Z needs to get informed. One of his heroes is Che Guevara. Che Guevara was a racist. Che Guevara was a racist that wrote extensively about the superiority of white Europeans over people of African descent, so he should inform himself on the guy that he's propping up," Rubio said during an interview with ABC News' Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl.

"Secondly, I think if Jay-Z was truly interested in the true state of affairs in Cuba, he would have met people that are being oppressed, including a hip-hop artist in Cuba who is right now being oppressed and persecuted and is undergoing a hunger strike because of his political lyrics," Rubio added. "And I think he missed an opportunity. But that's Jay-Z's issue."

After returning from Cuba last week, Jay-Z produced a new rap entitled "Open Letter," in which he criticized politicians for questioning his trip with his wife Beyoncé to the communist nation. The trip was authorized by the Treasury Department under a licensed program that encourages "meaningful contacts" with the Cuban people.

RELATED: White House Dismisses Jay-Z Song

Rubio, who is of Cuban descent, criticized current U.S. travel policy to the island, which he said was being running by a "tyrannical regime."

"The bigger point is the travel policies. The travel policies need to be tightened because they are being abused," Rubio said. "These are tourist trips, and they are - what they're doing is providing hard currency and funding so that a tyrannical regime can maintain its grip on the island of Cuba, and I think that's wrong."

BULL SHIT!.Who the fuck wrote this? lmao... Che racist? REALLY? is that why he was a supporter of the ANC and Nelson Mandela in the 60s, and was speaking about Apartheid in South Africa and other african nations before any white person was doing so in Europe and the US. He met with Malcolm X and spoke about the injustice of african-americans in the states. He made a long speech about it during his stay in the states, where he stayed in Harlem to support the oppresed population that were mostly black americans. He integrated schools in Cuba before anyone else had thought of it. He went to fight side by side with many africans and helped develop many hospitals and fight against racist whites in Africa. Many of his friends were black.

‘Che Guevara’s feats in our continent were of such magnitude that no prison or censorhip could hide them from us. Che’s life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom.We always honor his memory’
-Nelson Mandela-

http://www.youtube.com/wa...8po84osCl8 His speech during the united nations, where Che Guevara speaks about helping africans and how they are allies of his and racism... He also speaks about the oppression and racism towards black in the states.

These white cubans, always fail with their propaganda shit... (I'm posting this to show people that what they say is just bashing without any evidence...)

[Edited 4/15/13 7:48am]

------- Che also took a lot of people out.

purple1968 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Wasn't here in 98

But he still suks

He still sucks and his former drug dealing ass needs to get over himself.

Like that's som'n to be proud of

Cuban-American Rapper Pitbull Defends Jay-z

April 15

http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.1316615

[Edited 4/15/13 15:44pm]

Pitbull Makes Pro-Cuba Song, Defends Jay-Z Over Track For Jay-Z’s “Open Letter”

By Soren Baker | Stop The Presses! – 2 hours 56 minutes ago

Pitbull is famous for his party tracks.

Now the Miami rapper is flexing his political commentary skills on "Open Letter Freestyle," his version of Jay-Z's "Open Letter."

Pitbull raps about his love for Cuba (he is of Cuban ancestry) and his hope that Cuba will be free one day, as well as Jay-Z and wife Beyoncé's recent trip to the island country.

Jay-Z's "Open Letter" was inspired, at least in part, by conservative lawmakers' uproar regarding his recent trip there.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is among those who have blasted Jay-Z for the trip, saying that Jay-Z should have met with oppressed people while in Cuba.

Pitbull questions politicians attacking Jay-Z on "Open Letter Freestyle."

"Question of the night: Would they have messed with Mr. Carter if he was white?" Pitbull raps.

Jay-Z's given name is Shawn Carter.

April 15, 2013


''Open Letter II''- Soundcloud

Common picks up where Jay-Z leaves off on “Open Letter,”dropping some knowledge on the Timbaland and Swizz Beatz production. The Chi-town rapper addresses the media, his controversial White House appearance (“Still with the Obamas I ride”), and more.

“Respect to JAY Z and anyone who stands up for the people,” tweeted Common.

Identity said:

April 15, 2013


''Open Letter II''- Soundcloud

Common picks up where Jay-Z leaves off on “Open Letter,”dropping some knowledge on the Timbaland and Swizz Beatz production. The Chi-town rapper addresses the media, his controversial White House appearance (“Still with the Obamas I ride”), and more.

“Respect to JAY Z and anyone who stands up for the people,” tweeted Common.

Love this joint...........

purple1968 said:

GoldDolphin said:

BULL SHIT!.Who the fuck wrote this? lmao... Che racist? REALLY? is that why he was a supporter of the ANC and Nelson Mandela in the 60s, and was speaking about Apartheid in South Africa and other african nations before any white person was doing so in Europe and the US. He met with Malcolm X and spoke about the injustice of african-americans in the states. He made a long speech about it during his stay in the states, where he stayed in Harlem to support the oppresed population that were mostly black americans. He integrated schools in Cuba before anyone else had thought of it. He went to fight side by side with many africans and helped develop many hospitals and fight against racist whites in Africa. Many of his friends were black.

‘Che Guevara’s feats in our continent were of such magnitude that no prison or censorhip could hide them from us. Che’s life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom.We always honor his memory’
-Nelson Mandela-

http://www.youtube.com/wa...8po84osCl8 His speech during the united nations, where Che Guevara speaks about helping africans and how they are allies of his and racism... He also speaks about the oppression and racism towards black in the states.

These white cubans, always fail with their propaganda shit... (I'm posting this to show people that what they say is just bashing without any evidence...)

[Edited 4/15/13 7:48am]

------- Che also took a lot of people out.

There's no evidence for that, except for when he was in War, just like Nelson Mandelas ANC party did in South Africa. Reagan, Bush and Nixon killed millions of people as well but aint nobody calling them killers, because it was in the name of war. Ronald Reagan was behind many massacres in central america and south america, does Death Squads say anything to you? Well it does for many latin americans, who were killed during the 80s because of his certification against the war on terrorism, which had NOTHING to do with the US.

Graycap23 said:

Identity said:

April 15, 2013


''Open Letter II''- Soundcloud

Common picks up where Jay-Z leaves off on “Open Letter,”dropping some knowledge on the Timbaland and Swizz Beatz production. The Chi-town rapper addresses the media, his controversial White House appearance (“Still with the Obamas I ride”), and more.

“Respect to JAY Z and anyone who stands up for the people,” tweeted Common.

Love this joint...........

Common went hard on this track. This track def grew on me!

GoldDolphin said:

purple1968 said:

------- Che also took a lot of people out.

There's no evidence for that, except for when he was in War, just like Nelson Mandelas ANC party did in South Africa. Reagan, Bush and Nixon killed millions of people as well but aint nobody calling them killers, because it was in the name of war. Ronald Reagan was behind many massacres in central america and south america, does Death Squads say anything to you? Well it does for many latin americans, who were killed during the 80s because of his certification against the war on terrorism, which had NOTHING to do with the US.

Yes there is evidence of Che killing people. He was in the jungle and the streets overthrowing the Cuban govt. He was in a war with a gun in his hand. We have no doubt that Cubans were being dogged by the Barista regime but Castro and Che got rid of the land owners, capitalist and middle class by taking their property and in some cases killing them. I am not a fan of Regan or Bush but being the Commander in Chief 3,000 miles or more away is a lot different than leading a firing squad on citizens that could have just been kicked out of Cuba and not executed.

The only people I know of the ANC executed were black South Africans who they believed to be traders

purple1968 said:

GoldDolphin said:

There's no evidence for that, except for when he was in War, just like Nelson Mandelas ANC party did in South Africa. Reagan, Bush and Nixon killed millions of people as well but aint nobody calling them killers, because it was in the name of war. Ronald Reagan was behind many massacres in central america and south america, does Death Squads say anything to you? Well it does for many latin americans, who were killed during the 80s because of his certification against the war on terrorism, which had NOTHING to do with the US.

Yes there is evidence of Che killing people. He was in the jungle and the streets overthrowing the Cuban govt. He was in a war with a gun in his hand. We have no doubt that Cubans were being dogged by the Barista regime but Castro and Che got rid of the land owners, capitalist and middle class by taking their property and in some cases killing them. I am not a fan of Regan or Bush but being the Commander in Chief 3,000 miles or more away is a lot different than leading a firing squad on citizens that could have just been kicked out of Cuba and not executed.

The only people I know of the ANC executed were black South Africans who they believed to be traders

It was a war in Cuba, whether you want to believe it or not , just like there was in many parts of Latin America. The cuban dictatorship that was the regime of Batista had killed thousands of people at the time when Che & Castro went down there, the movement wasn't started by Che at all, but it was an on going movement. It wasn't average citizens we are talking about, we are speaking about militaries who got killed, just like Castro had soldiers killed. That's not true at all, many left by choice. How is it different when you are killing innocent lives? Reagan sent death sqauds to El Salvador and other various central american countries to help the dictorships, many of those same people who killed poor and innocent children are still working with medal of honors hanging down their necks because they killed innocent people 30 yrs ago. Most people that now live in Miami, had the option to stay in Cuba or to leave and many of those who were friends and liked the Batista regime left, so I don't know where you are getting your information from but it's not true. The Batista regime and his followers were racist and discriminated the black population. Nowadays I agree that Cuba should have free election, but it's up to the Cuban people to decide this not some white cuban living his life in Miami. I'm all about facts and John lee Anderson book on Che is a good read, if you are interested in the truth and not some biased right wing republican from Miami.

"

So the answer is probably close to 10 personally during war time (not including battles which would probably be another 10-20 in an array of battles). As for those killed on his orders - after the Cuban revolution between 55 (Anderson) and several hundred (other biographers) War Criminals were executed at La Cabana in cases where Che had the final say on whether to pardon them.

As for whether the death penalty was justified, remember that 20,000 Cubans had been killed with many more tortured during the former U.S.-backed Batista dictatorship, and Che was in charge of exacting "revolutionary justice" for the victorious side in a revolution.

Biographer Jon Lee Anderson, (who spent 5 years studying the topic) has addressed this matter in a PBS forum states:

"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."

For those interested in learning more on Che Guevara: You can read the 3 major Guevara biographies:
(1) Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson
(2) Companero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda
(3) Guevara, Also Known as Che by Paco Ignacio Taibo II

"

[Edited 4/16/13 9:46am]

SoulAlive said:

White House Dismisses Rapper's Cuba Song

By Mary Bruce | ABC OTUS News – 2 hrs 7 mins ago

Rapper Jay-Z's latest track is getting poor reviews from the White House.

In the song, entitled "Open Letter," Jay-Z brags that he "got White House clearance" for his recent controversial trip to Cuba with wife Beyonce.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney today denied the White House had any involvement with their trip, saying the Treasury Department handles all clearances for travel to Cuba.

"I guess nothing rhymes with Treasury," Carney joked.

In the song, Jay-Z also recounts a conversation he had with President Obama about his trip. "Obama said, 'Chill, you, gonna get me impeached… We don't need this s-t anyway, chill with me on the beach," he raps in the nearly three-minute song.

Carney dismissed the claim. "It's a song," he said. "The president did not communicate with Jay-Z over this trip."

"I am absolutely saying that the White House, from the president on down, had nothing to do with anybody's personal - anybody's travel to Cuba. That is something that Treasury handles," he said.

Jay-Z and Beyonce's trip to Havana was government-sanctioned and allowed through a licensed program that encourages "meaningful contacts" with Cubans.

According to the new song, they "turned Havana into Atlanta" with "Guayabera shirts and bandanas," Jay-Z raps.

And you should have seen all the comments when this story first appeared on Yahoo. People were all up in arms because Jay-Z obviously got special clearance directly from the President to go fraternize with the Communists, further proof of Obama's diabolical plan to turn the US into a socialist-commie regime that will be run by all of his rich entitled friends until he leaves office and becomes the President of Kenya and takes away immigration rules sso that the country will be nothing but Africans and Mexicans

Anyway, I think it was a stupid song and a stupid move and somebody needs to just stick a sock in Jay-z's mouth already

GoldDolphin said:

purple1968 said:

Yes there is evidence of Che killing people. He was in the jungle and the streets overthrowing the Cuban govt. He was in a war with a gun in his hand. We have no doubt that Cubans were being dogged by the Barista regime but Castro and Che got rid of the land owners, capitalist and middle class by taking their property and in some cases killing them. I am not a fan of Regan or Bush but being the Commander in Chief 3,000 miles or more away is a lot different than leading a firing squad on citizens that could have just been kicked out of Cuba and not executed.

The only people I know of the ANC executed were black South Africans who they believed to be traders

It was a war in Cuba, whether you want to believe it or not , just like there was in many parts of Latin America. The cuban dictatorship that was the regime of Batista had killed thousands of people at the time when Che & Castro went down there, the movement wasn't started by Che at all, but it was an on going movement. It wasn't average citizens we are talking about, we are speaking about militaries who got killed, just like Castro had soldiers killed. That's not true at all, many left by choice. How is it different when you are killing innocent lives? Reagan sent death sqauds to El Salvador and other various central american countries to help the dictorships, many of those same people who killed poor and innocent children are still working with medal of honors hanging down their necks because they killed innocent people 30 yrs ago. Most people that now live in Miami, had the option to stay in Cuba or to leave and many of those who were friends and liked the Batista regime left, so I don't know where you are getting your information from but it's not true. The Batista regime and his followers were racist and discriminated the black population. Nowadays I agree that Cuba should have free election, but it's up to the Cuban people to decide this not some white cuban living his life in Miami. I'm all about facts and John lee Anderson book on Che is a good read, if you are interested in the truth and not some biased right wing republican from Miami.

"

So the answer is probably close to 10 personally during war time (not including battles which would probably be another 10-20 in an array of battles). As for those killed on his orders - after the Cuban revolution between 55 (Anderson) and several hundred (other biographers) War Criminals were executed at La Cabana in cases where Che had the final say on whether to pardon them.

As for whether the death penalty was justified, remember that 20,000 Cubans had been killed with many more tortured during the former U.S.-backed Batista dictatorship, and Che was in charge of exacting "revolutionary justice" for the victorious side in a revolution.

Biographer Jon Lee Anderson, (who spent 5 years studying the topic) has addressed this matter in a PBS forum states:

"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."

For those interested in learning more on Che Guevara: You can read the 3 major Guevara biographies:
(1) Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson
(2) Companero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda
(3) Guevara, Also Known as Che by Paco Ignacio Taibo II

"

[Edited 4/16/13 9:46am]

GoldDolphin said:

Graycap23 said:

Love this joint...........

Common went hard on this track. This track def grew on me!

Would be nice if a few other rappers jumped on this....it could really take on a mind of it's own. My vote is for the one and only H-Town Finest Scarface to bless us with a verse....He would kill it....Next we'd have to get at least 32 bars from the ATL by way of Andre 3000..

Um..that's it.

Not really a fan of Pitbull's stuff, but his "Open Letter" response/continuation is pretty tight.

purple1968 said:

GoldDolphin said:

It was a war in Cuba, whether you want to believe it or not , just like there was in many parts of Latin America. The cuban dictatorship that was the regime of Batista had killed thousands of people at the time when Che & Castro went down there, the movement wasn't started by Che at all, but it was an on going movement. It wasn't average citizens we are talking about, we are speaking about militaries who got killed, just like Castro had soldiers killed. That's not true at all, many left by choice. How is it different when you are killing innocent lives? Reagan sent death sqauds to El Salvador and other various central american countries to help the dictorships, many of those same people who killed poor and innocent children are still working with medal of honors hanging down their necks because they killed innocent people 30 yrs ago. Most people that now live in Miami, had the option to stay in Cuba or to leave and many of those who were friends and liked the Batista regime left, so I don't know where you are getting your information from but it's not true. The Batista regime and his followers were racist and discriminated the black population. Nowadays I agree that Cuba should have free election, but it's up to the Cuban people to decide this not some white cuban living his life in Miami. I'm all about facts and John lee Anderson book on Che is a good read, if you are interested in the truth and not some biased right wing republican from Miami.

"

So the answer is probably close to 10 personally during war time (not including battles which would probably be another 10-20 in an array of battles). As for those killed on his orders - after the Cuban revolution between 55 (Anderson) and several hundred (other biographers) War Criminals were executed at La Cabana in cases where Che had the final say on whether to pardon them.

As for whether the death penalty was justified, remember that 20,000 Cubans had been killed with many more tortured during the former U.S.-backed Batista dictatorship, and Che was in charge of exacting "revolutionary justice" for the victorious side in a revolution.

Biographer Jon Lee Anderson, (who spent 5 years studying the topic) has addressed this matter in a PBS forum states:

"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."

For those interested in learning more on Che Guevara: You can read the 3 major Guevara biographies:
(1) Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson
(2) Companero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda
(3) Guevara, Also Known as Che by Paco Ignacio Taibo II

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[Edited 4/16/13 9:46am]

---------- It was a war in Cuba, whether you want to believe it or not , just like there was in many parts of Latin America. The cuban dictatorship that was the regime of Batista had killed thousands of people at the time when Che & Castro went down there, the movement wasn't started by Che at all, but it was an on going movement. It wasn't average citizens we are talking about, we are speaking about militaries who got killed, just like Castro had soldiers killed. That's not true at all, many left by choice. You can find interviews from people who left Cuba in fear for their lives. Why would masses of people choose to leave their property if they did not fear being killed? In addition, I watched a documentary about Fidel on PBS that said that Che was in charge of firing squads and many of his own writings he pushes violence as a means for change. What makes you think that violence would only happened in a military settings? How is it different when you are killing innocent lives? Reagan sent death sqauds to El Salvador and other various central american countries to help the dictorships, many of those same people who killed poor and innocent children are still working with medal of honors hanging down their necks because they killed innocent people 30 yrs ago. Most people that now live in Miami, had the option to stay in Cuba or to leave and many of those who were friends and liked the Batista regime left, so I don't know where you are getting your information from but it's not true. The Batista regime and his followers were racist and discriminated the black population. Nowadays I agree that Cuba should have free election, but it's up to the Cuban people to decide this not some white cuban living his life in Miami. I'm all about facts and John lee Anderson book on Che is a good read, if you are interested in the truth and not some biased right wing republican from Miami. " So if we go by your comments President Obama was wrong for sending Navy Seals to take out Osama Bin Laden despite the fact that he did not pull the trigger. The Commander in Chief of the U.S gives orders to soldiers to protect American life and interest to me that is big different than putting innocent people to death by firing squad because they supported a corrupt government. I have no doubt that innocent people were killed in Central America (innocent people do get killed in wars) but do you think those people would have been better off under a Marxist regime. So the answer is probably close to 10 personally during war time (not including battles which would probably be another 10-20 in an array of battles). As for those killed on his orders - after the Cuban revolution between 55 (Anderson) and several hundred (other biographers) War Criminals were executed at La Cabana in cases where Che had the final say on whether to pardon them. I do not care if he executed 5 people you cannot preach against injustice and then turn around a do the same thing. Two wrongs do not make a write. What if Nelson Mandela had done the same thing when he became President? As for whether the death penalty was justified, remember that 20,000 Cubans had been killed with many more tortured during the former U.S.-backed Batista dictatorship, and Che was in charge of exacting "revolutionary justice" for the victorious side in a revolution. Once again killing citizens in revenge for the Barista dictatorship was wrong. You cannot justify killing in the name of revenge and say you are for equality for all. Expulsion from the island would have been the humane thing to do. Biographer Jon Lee Anderson, (who spent 5 years studying the topic) has addressed this matter in a PBS forum states: "I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder." For those interested in learning more on Che Guevara: You can read the 3 major Guevara biographies: (1) Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson (2) Companero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda (3) Guevara, Also Known as Che by Paco Ignacio Taibo II " [Edited 4/16/13 9:46am] That is not what people say who were in Cuba at the time.

The history books and the cuban people say this. This is not some made up story that I just wrote, those white cubans in Miami are biased and right-wing so obviously they're going to say that anyone who's not on their side is a killer, when there are no facts to back them up, I just gave you the evidence. I know many cubans personally, some who don't longer live on the Island for economical reasons but who adore Che and the work he did, both for the country and for black cubans and non-white cubans, they don't really favor Castro that much tho. Many cubans that I've from Miami are racist and facist (their blogs are scary to read - older generation ofc not young ppl my age), having the picture of Fransisco Franco on their walls (a spanish dictator who killed thousands of people in spain during his dictatorship) isn't OK, yet they believe in the superiority of their "race".