GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

see, I never mentioned Dr. Klein's name once.......

that's the thing, I don't need testimony from individuals who participated in this man's self destruction

I'm not going to get into hair texture and all that stuff about physical characteristics

the bottom line is this.....Michael Jackson, the king of pop, whoever you want to call him, the man who related Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, History, and Invincible, that man did not father those 3 kids....cut and dry

see, you're answering your own question w/out categorically answering it

there's even been hints that Debbie Rowe is NOT biologically tied to those first two children and that she only served as a stone cold surrogate, to where the embryo was planted into her body

and if that's true, THAT means those first two kids were conceived thru vitro fertilization (aka test tube), and if that's the case, then THAT means, their real biological mother and father are floating around somewhere.....

you're dealing with a man who evolved into becoming the media manipulator we've ever seen, the cream of the crop w/it comes to media manipulation....he earned a PH.D in it, and he reveled in it to remain the subject of conversation as his career waned throughout after reaching the very pinnacle from 1983-1985

and he manipulated all the way to the day of 6/25/09.......

because from day one, the moment he signed with Motown, a label that preached crossover ambition, Michael was taught how to "lie" in order to enhance his public image as he was taught how to define it

if you had 50,000 bucks and someone asked you to bet it all, at 3 to 1 odds in favor of believing Michael fathered those kids, to where you stood a chance of losing it all or tripling your stash.....

would u do it?

[Edited 1/22/13 19:52pm]

And I actually would bet that money that MJ was the fathe of those Children. I'm from a mixed background myself and Ive always been interested in genetics and facial features. I find it quite amusing, that you completely ignore the similarity of hair and facial structure of blanket Jackson and his cousin Jermajesty (I don't know if I'm spelling the name correctly lol)... Remember That MJ is the only Jackson who had children with a white woman, the other siblings had children with Latinas (Afro-Latina/black&white/native) (Italian& mexican) (Arabian) (black/Asian) (colombian/meztisa). Also you say that those children might not even be Debbie rowes? Seriously? Look at Paris, she's a tanned version of her mother. But whatever, people are going to believe what they want.

Gold Dolphin

you would lose all of your money bettin on this one, and it ain't even fair to you

you would have a better chance betting your money betting as to whether or not 1+1=3

yes, many of Michael's brothers fathered biracial children, but you see resemblance among Tito son's, Jermaine's sons to their father

Jermaine's first set of kids he had with his first wife Hazel who's black

and they fathered their children naturally

Tito's sons look strikingly like their father even though they are biracial

Michael Jackson went so far as to dyed the hair color of that oldest kid, bleach blond hair, and he did it when the kid was a baby

this is what it comes down to,

Michael Jackson bought 3 kids, 2 white, one mexican, used 2 surrogate mothers to bring forth those children and paid them, posed them to the world and said "I'm the king of pop, these kids are mine and because I'm the king of pop, this is true"

his fans believed it with open arms, and wouldn't have it any other way

and when 6/25/09 hit, the world, the commercial media, and to some extent, the greater public at large who have grown up during the age of political correctness favored those 3 kids, and pushed the other Jackson family kids out the window, because the oldest two are white, the youngest is mexican, and that's what led to teh chaos with the fake stun gun incident, which led to a SWAT team flying above the roof of the family home in Encino, which led to Katherine being forced to have all of her other grandchildren (real grandchildren) move out of the house after they had been living their for years becuase the majority of MJ fans DID NOT want anyone else around those 3 kids, because they were put on pedastals from jump street.

when he announced he was having his first child, I said to myself it wouldn't surprised me if he posed a white child, and sure enough he did....

[Edited 1/23/13 5:28am]

There are other jackson that are of white skin and of clear eyes also.

Sophia Jackson and noah jackson

for me , blanket is Michael.

And paris is debbie rowe

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said: And I actually would bet that money that MJ was the fathe of those Children. I'm from a mixed background myself and Ive always been interested in genetics and facial features. I find it quite amusing, that you completely ignore the similarity of hair and facial structure of blanket Jackson and his cousin Jermajesty (I don't know if I'm spelling the name correctly lol)... Remember That MJ is the only Jackson who had children with a white woman, the other siblings had children with Latinas (Afro-Latina/black&white/native) (Italian& mexican) (Arabian) (black/Asian) (colombian/meztisa). Also you say that those children might not even be Debbie rowes? Seriously? Look at Paris, she's a tanned version of her mother. But whatever, people are going to believe what they want.

Gold Dolphin

you would lose all of your money bettin on this one, and it ain't even fair to you

you would have a better chance betting your money betting as to whether or not 1+1=3

yes, many of Michael's brothers fathered biracial children, but you see resemblance among Tito son's, Jermaine's sons to their father

Jermaine's first set of kids he had with his first wife Hazel who's black

and they fathered their children naturally

Tito's sons look strikingly like their father even though they are biracial

Michael Jackson went so far as to dyed the hair color of that oldest kid, bleach blond hair, and he did it when the kid was a baby

this is what it comes down to,

Michael Jackson bought 3 kids, 2 white, one mexican, used 2 surrogate mothers to bring forth those children and paid them, posed them to the world and said "I'm the king of pop, these kids are mine and because I'm the king of pop, this is true"

his fans believed it with open arms, and wouldn't have it any other way

and when 6/25/09 hit, the world, the commercial media, and to some extent, the greater public at large who have grown up during the age of political correctness favored those 3 kids, and pushed the other Jackson family kids out the window, because the oldest two are white, the youngest is mexican, and that's what led to teh chaos with the fake stun gun incident, which led to a SWAT team flying above the roof of the family home in Encino, which led to Katherine being forced to have all of her other grandchildren (real grandchildren) move out of the house after they had been living their for years becuase the majority of MJ fans DID NOT want anyone else around those 3 kids, because they were put on pedastals from jump street.

when he announced he was having his first child, I said to myself it wouldn't surprised me if he posed a white child, and sure enough he did....

[Edited 1/23/13 5:28am]

Things may not be the way they "look" . Back in the days, nobody also belive the Earth was round, cause it doesn't look like it and if it was, the people on the other side would fall off the Earth.

The fact that he dyed Prince's hair could have a reason. Prince was the only child whose face the public has seen and if they were threatened with abductions as Debbie said, this could have been a way to protect him. This is just a pure speculation, but who knows. There could have been a serious reason. I don't dare to judge things I know nothing about. Gwen Stephani also dyes her son's hair and noone seems to care.

Right and the kids had to move out becuase MJ fans did not want that. HILARIOUS!

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

see, I never mentioned Dr. Klein's name once.......

that's the thing, I don't need testimony from individuals who participated in this man's self destruction

I'm not going to get into hair texture and all that stuff about physical characteristics

the bottom line is this.....Michael Jackson, the king of pop, whoever you want to call him, the man who related Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, History, and Invincible, that man did not father those 3 kids....cut and dry

see, you're answering your own question w/out categorically answering it

there's even been hints that Debbie Rowe is NOT biologically tied to those first two children and that she only served as a stone cold surrogate, to where the embryo was planted into her body

and if that's true, THAT means those first two kids were conceived thru vitro fertilization (aka test tube), and if that's the case, then THAT means, their real biological mother and father are floating around somewhere.....

you're dealing with a man who evolved into becoming the media manipulator we've ever seen, the cream of the crop w/it comes to media manipulation....he earned a PH.D in it, and he reveled in it to remain the subject of conversation as his career waned throughout after reaching the very pinnacle from 1983-1985

and he manipulated all the way to the day of 6/25/09.......

because from day one, the moment he signed with Motown, a label that preached crossover ambition, Michael was taught how to "lie" in order to enhance his public image as he was taught how to define it

if you had 50,000 bucks and someone asked you to bet it all, at 3 to 1 odds in favor of believing Michael fathered those kids, to where you stood a chance of losing it all or tripling your stash.....

would u do it?

[Edited 1/22/13 19:52pm]

And I actually would bet that money that MJ was the fathe of those Children. I'm from a mixed background myself and Ive always been interested in genetics and facial features. I find it quite amusing, that you completely ignore the similarity of hair and facial structure of blanket Jackson and his cousin Jermajesty (I don't know if I'm spelling the name correctly lol)... Remember That MJ is the only Jackson who had children with a white woman, the other siblings had children with Latinas (Afro-Latina/black&white/native) (Italian& mexican) (Arabian) (black/Asian) (colombian/meztisa). Also you say that those children might not even be Debbie rowes? Seriously? Look at Paris, she's a tanned version of her mother. But whatever, people are going to believe what they want.

Thank you so much for what you posted. You are exactly correct. It seems that Scorp, who has an AGENDA btw, is conveniently ignoring everything that you wrote in your post. Scorp is also lying and adding HIS opinions as if they are fact. There is NOTHING that he has ever posted that is based on fact, ALL of his posts are based on innuendo, gossip, personal agenda/opinions, etc. It truly sickens me that this person comes into basically every MJ discussion, not to praise Michael, but to degrade, denigrate, tear-down, etc. Again, Scrop, has an AGENDA and anyone with even a semblance of intelligence can tell what it is. Btw, like you , I would bet MONEY that Michael IS the BIOLOGICAL father of PPB. Michael ALWAYS said that he would have children of HIS OWN and these children are 1000% his. It is pure IGNORANCE to think that this man would risk his legacy by using someone else's sperm when he was oerfectly capable of using his own. It shows just how people like Scorp underestimated Michael's intelligence. Debbie has said MANY times that Prince and Paris were conceived naturally and I believe her.

I guess Scorp CONVENIENTLY ignores that Debbie was pregnant with Michael's child BEFORE she conceived Prince. I guess Scorp and others like him/her CONVENIENTLY igores the FACT that Debbie and Michael were together YEARS before he even started dating LM. Would Scorp be saying that these children were not Michael's if LM was the mother. You can bet your ass, he/she wouldn't be saying that. It's disrepectful to Michael AND his children for this kind of bullshit to continue to spew from people like Scorp. FTR, PPB are 1000% Michael's.

Again,thank you for your intuitive, thoughtful post.

[Edited 1/23/13 6:55am]

iaminparties said:

http://www.the-michael-jackson-archives.com/main_content.html

Off The Wall Era

This is FANTASTIC! Great post! Thanks for posting!

Emancipation89 said:

Priceless

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So i hear my MJ "Rock with you" & Shai "If I ever fall in love" with @DwyaneWade performance has went viral. Hahaha

Free2BMe said:

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said: And I actually would bet that money that MJ was the fathe of those Children. I'm from a mixed background myself and Ive always been interested in genetics and facial features. I find it quite amusing, that you completely ignore the similarity of hair and facial structure of blanket Jackson and his cousin Jermajesty (I don't know if I'm spelling the name correctly lol)... Remember That MJ is the only Jackson who had children with a white woman, the other siblings had children with Latinas (Afro-Latina/black&white/native) (Italian& mexican) (Arabian) (black/Asian) (colombian/meztisa). Also you say that those children might not even be Debbie rowes? Seriously? Look at Paris, she's a tanned version of her mother. But whatever, people are going to believe what they want.

Thank you so much for what you posted. You are exactly correct. It seems that Scorp, who has an AGENDA btw, is conveniently ignoring everything that you wrote in your post. Scorp is also lying and adding HIS opinions as if they are fact. There is NOTHING that he has ever posted that is based on fact, ALL of his posts are based on innuendo, gossip, personal agenda/opinions, etc. It truly sickens me that this person comes into basically every MJ discussion, not to praise Michael, but to degrade, denigrate, tear-down, etc. Again, Scrop, has an AGENDA and anyone with even a semblance of intelligence can tell what it is. Btw, like you , I would bet MONEY that Michael IS the BIOLOGICAL father of PPB. Michael ALWAYS said that he would have children of HIS OWN and these children are 1000% his. It is pure IGNORANCE to think that this man would risk his legacy by using someone else's sperm when he was oerfectly capable of using his own. It shows just how people like Scorp underestimated Michael's intelligence. Debbie has said MANY times that Prince and Paris were conceived naturally and I believe her.

I guess Scorp CONVENIENTLY ignores that Debbie was pregnant with Michael's child BEFORE she conceived Prince. I guess Scorp and others like him/her CONVENIENTLY igores the FACT that Debbie and Michael were together YEARS before he even started dating LM. Would Scorp be saying that these children were not Michael's if LM was the mother. You can bet your ass, he/she wouldn't be saying that. It's disrepectful to Michael AND his children for this kind of bullshit to continue to spew from people like Scorp. FTR, PPB are 1000% Michael's.

Again,thank you for your intuitive, thoughtful post.

[Edited 1/23/13 6:55am]

i've also noticed that this poster also shows up in j5/jacksons threads to shower praise on mj's brothers, and makes sure that everyone knows that mj would have been nothing without them. yeah, whatever, dude.

i've seen too many biracial children to think that they are also supposed to look a "certain way". i read a quote from carrie fisher who knows arnold klein and debbie rowe. she said point blank, 'why would mj pay debbie to have kids that weren't his?' and told that odious klein to stop insinuating that prince is his son.

Scorp said:

I understand what your saying about Princeand Paris, no black traits not even in their bone structure. However, I do believe if you want to compare them with the other brothers children, you should not compare them with Tito sons simply because they are not really biracial. Their late mother was from dominca and a mixture of latino and african extraction therefore she too was more or less black. If anything 3T have a mixed ethnicity but they are not half white. I think there is too many people spread misinformation just to score points and it is not necessary. Most people apart from the obsessive fans have doubts about P and P origins, which is quite understandable but lets compare like with like.
[Edited 1/23/13 12:24pm]

whatsgoingon said:

Scorp said:

Gold Dolphin

you would lose all of your money bettin on this one, and it ain't even fair to you

you would have a better chance betting your money betting as to whether or not 1+1=3

yes, many of Michael's brothers fathered biracial children, but you see resemblance among Tito son's, Jermaine's sons to their father

Jermaine's first set of kids he had with his first wife Hazel who's black

and they fathered their children naturally

Tito's sons look strikingly like their father even though they are biracial

Michael Jackson went so far as todyed the hair color of that oldest kid, bleach blond haiing , and he did it when the kid was a baby

this is what it comes down to,

Michael Jackson bought 3 kids, 2 white, one mexican, used 2 surrogate mothers to bring forth those children and paid them, posed them to the world and said "I'm the king of pop, these kids are mine and because I'm the king of pop, this is true"

his fans believed it with open arms, and wouldn't have it any other way

and when 6/25/09 hit, the world, the commercial media, and to some extent, the greater public at large who have grown up during the age of political correctness favored those 3 kids, and pushed the other Jackson family kids out the window, because the oldest two are white, the youngest is mexican, and that's what led to teh chaos with the fake stun gun incident, which led to a SWAT team flying above the roof of the family home in Encino, which led to Katherine being forced to have all of her other grandchildren (real grandchildren) move out of the house after they had been living their for years becuase the majority of MJ fans DID NOT want anyone else around those 3 kids, because they were put on pedastals from jump street.

when he announced he was having his first child, I said to myself it wouldn't surprised me if he posed a white child, and sure enough he did....

[Edited 1/23/13 5:28am]

I understand what your saying about Princeand Paris, no black traits not even in their bone structure. However, I do believe if you want to compare them with the other brothers children, you should not compare them with Tito sons simply because they are not really biracial. Their late mother was from dominca and a mixture of latino and african extraction therefore she too was more or less black. If any 3T have a mixed ethnicity but they are not half white. I think there is too many people spread misinformation just to score points and it is not necessary. Most people apart from the obsessive fans have doubts about P and P origins, which is quite understandable but lets compare like with like.

so you're ignoring the posts of marlon jackson's grandchildren? his wife is black, so is he, therefore, their daughter is black, "bone structure" and all. his daughter was married to a white man, i'm assuming so if 3T is an unacceptable comparison, what about her? why are her children so "white"? surely, you don't mean to engage in a double standard, questioning mj's kids while marlon's daughter and grandkids get a pass, do you?

most people apart from obsessive people who like to denigrate mj have double standards when it comes to facts that come into conflict with their gossip and innuendo.

claudiax said:

I like the way you try to choose the darkest pixs of Paris to try and prove your points. Even photos that she posts of herself are never dark.

As for Marlon grandkids their bone structure alone show their african hertitage. Infact they remind me of sophie richie, white hair and white skin but features that scream africa.

Scorp said:

and when 6/25/09 hit, the world, the commercial media, and to some extent, the greater public at large who have grown up during the age of political correctness favored those 3 kids, and pushed the other Jackson family kids out the window, because the oldest two are white, the youngest is mexican, and that's what led to teh chaos with the fake stun gun incident, which led to a SWAT team flying above the roof of the family home in Encino, which led to Katherine being forced to have all of her other grandchildren (real grandchildren) move out of the house after they had been living their for years becuase the majority of MJ fans DID NOT want anyone else around those 3 kids, because they were put on pedastals from jump street.

[Edited 1/23/13 5:28am]

you should take up writing anti-mj fan fiction. this excerpt is very entertaining, filled with all the sanctimony, contempt and complete crazy that i've come to expect from the pre-thriller fans.

SWAT team? are you serious? those kids and their parents were put out of hayvenhurst b/c mj's will only provides for his kids, not jermaine's kids.

jermaine's kids should not have been living in that house in the first place, not while he has a house in calabasas with his "non-white" wife (why do you only have a problem with mj's non-black kids, but not jermaine's?). it never, ever should have been mj's responsibility to be carrying all those people for all those years. the executors did the right thing by making the adults laying up at hayvenhurst take responsibility for themselves and their children.

kibbles said:

whatsgoingon said:

Scorp said: I understand what your saying about Princeand Paris, no black traits not even in their bone structure. However, I do believe if you want to compare them with the other brothers children, you should not compare them with Tito sons simply because they are not really biracial. Their late mother was from dominca and a mixture of latino and african extraction therefore she too was more or less black. If any 3T have a mixed ethnicity but they are not half white. I think there is too many people spread misinformation just to score points and it is not necessary. Most people apart from the obsessive fans have doubts about P and P origins, which is quite understandable but lets compare like with like.

so you're ignoring the posts of marlon jackson's grandchildren? his wife is black, so is he, therefore, their daughter is black, "bone structure" and all. his daughter was married to a white man, i'm assuming so if 3T is an unacceptable comparison, what about her? why are her children so "white"? surely, you don't mean to engage in a double standard, questioning mj's kids while marlon's daughter and grandkids get a pass, do you?

most people apart from obsessive people who like to denigrate mj have double standards when it comes to facts that come into conflict with their gossip and innuendo.

Of course Scorp is going to ignore the posts of Marlon Jackson's WHITE grandchildren. This wouldn't it into Scorp's warped agenda to denigrade Michael and his children. The DOUBLE STANDARDS only apply when it comes to Michael. It is obvious to ANYONE that Marlon's grandchildren are as white or WHITER than Michael's children and yet Scorp and other pathetic individuals like him will still say that Michael's children are not his. Marlon's daughter's husband was white and her childre look white. However, you will never hear Scorp say a damn word because all he wants to do is to make Michael look bad. If I didn't know better,I would say that Scorp is Leonard Rowe or even one of the Jackson brothers. Scorp seems to have a PERSONAL investment in his lies and innuendo about Michael.

I agree with you about Jermaine's kids and ex-wife being told to vacate Havenhust. These dead-beats lived off of Michael all of his life. He took care of Randy and Jermaine's offsprings while they sat on their lazy asses and basically BLACKMAILED Michael. I am so glad that these people finally were forced to live somewhere else and the Estate not pay for what Jermaine and Randy should have been doing. For this person, Scorp, to even have the audacity to think that Michael's money should STILL be supporting these people is beyond reprehensible. Why doesn't Scorp expect Janet, who is supposedly worth 150 million to support her nephews/neices, etc. Of course, Scorp won't do that because the only person he wants to be negative about is Michael.

This is the very reason why NOTHING that Scorp says means shit. His agenda is cyrstal clear and anyone with a brain should know what he is doing. He uses his "old school black knowledge" of Michael when he was a part of the Jacksons to justify his attacks on Michael. That is ignorance of the worst level. It is also this kind of ignorance that this family is using to basically give COnrad Murray a pass for MURDERING their son/brother. Scorp is a fake who thinks that people will fall for his crap. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in an actual face-to-face debate.

Free2BMe said:

kibbles said:

so you're ignoring the posts of marlon jackson's grandchildren? his wife is black, so is he, therefore, their daughter is black, "bone structure" and all. his daughter was married to a white man, i'm assuming so if 3T is an unacceptable comparison, what about her? why are her children so "white"? surely, you don't mean to engage in a double standard, questioning mj's kids while marlon's daughter and grandkids get a pass, do you?

most people apart from obsessive people who like to denigrate mj have double standards when it comes to facts that come into conflict with their gossip and innuendo.

kibbles,

Of course Scorp is going to ignore the posts of Marlon Jackson's WHITE grandchildren. This wouldn't fit into Scorp's warped agenda to denigrade Michael and his children. The DOUBLE STANDARDS only apply when it comes to Michael. It is obvious to ANYONE that Marlon's grandchildren are as white or WHITER than Michael's children and yet Scorp and other pathetic individuals like him will still say that Michael's children are not his. Marlon's daughter's husband was white and her childre look white. However, you will never hear Scorp say a damn word because all he wants to do is to make Michael look bad. If I didn't know better,I would say that Scorp is Leonard Rowe or even one of the Jackson brothers. Scorp seems to have a PERSONAL investment in his lies and innuendo about Michael.

I agree with you about Jermaine's kids and ex-wife being told to vacate Havenhust. These dead-beats lived off of Michael all of his life. He took care of Randy and Jermaine's offsprings while they sat on their lazy asses and basically BLACKMAILED Michael. I am so glad that these people finally were forced to live somewhere else and the Estate not pay for what Jermaine and Randy should have been doing. For this person, Scorp, to even have the audacity to think that Michael's money should STILL be supporting these people is beyond reprehensible. Why doesn't Scorp expect Janet, who is supposedly worth 150 million to support her nephews/neices, etc. Of course, Scorp won't do that because the only person he wants to be negative about is Michael.

This is the very reason why NOTHING that Scorp says means shit. His agenda is cyrstal clear and anyone with a brain should know what he is doing. He uses his "old school black knowledge" of Michael when he was a part of the Jacksons to justify his attacks on Michael. That is ignorance of the worst level. It is also this kind of ignorance that this family is using to basically give COnrad Murray a pass for MURDERING their son/brother. Scorp is a fake who thinks that people will fall for his crap. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in an actual face-to-face debate.

Free2BMe said:

This is the very reason why NOTHING that Scorp says means shit. His agenda is cyrstal clear and anyone with a brain should know what he is doing. He uses his "old school black knowledge" of Michael when he was a part of the Jacksons to justify his attacks on Michael. That is ignorance of the worst level. It is also this kind of ignorance that this family is using to basically give COnrad Murray a pass for MURDERING their son/brother. Scorp is a fake who thinks that people will fall for his crap. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in an actual face-to-face debate.

To me, that poster is nothing but a fraud. If he was as militant as he tries to act, he would be up in arms about how Katherine is being set up to look like a clueless puppet regularly by these white z-listers. Everywhere you look this family is being laughed at over their stupidity and cluelessness, but these pre Thriller fans amazingly don't say shit about it.

Let Priscilla Presley associate with these same set of people the Jacksons contiuously associate with, these white rock fans would loose their shit. But these family lovers say nothing?

This is why anyone is unable to now complain about black icons not getting their due. The actions of this "black family" and the Houston family will always now be thrown in your face.

But he and other old schoolers want to get all preachy about MJ and his "white kids"? Just how out of touch are these posters?

[Edited 1/23/13 14:37pm]

whatsgoingon said:

Scorp said:

Gold Dolphin

you would lose all of your money bettin on this one, and it ain't even fair to you

you would have a better chance betting your money betting as to whether or not 1+1=3

yes, many of Michael's brothers fathered biracial children, but you see resemblance among Tito son's, Jermaine's sons to their father

Jermaine's first set of kids he had with his first wife Hazel who's black

and they fathered their children naturally

Tito's sons look strikingly like their father even though they are biracial

Michael Jackson went so far as todyed the hair color of that oldest kid, bleach blond haiing , and he did it when the kid was a baby

this is what it comes down to,

Michael Jackson bought 3 kids, 2 white, one mexican, used 2 surrogate mothers to bring forth those children and paid them, posed them to the world and said "I'm the king of pop, these kids are mine and because I'm the king of pop, this is true"

his fans believed it with open arms, and wouldn't have it any other way

and when 6/25/09 hit, the world, the commercial media, and to some extent, the greater public at large who have grown up during the age of political correctness favored those 3 kids, and pushed the other Jackson family kids out the window, because the oldest two are white, the youngest is mexican, and that's what led to teh chaos with the fake stun gun incident, which led to a SWAT team flying above the roof of the family home in Encino, which led to Katherine being forced to have all of her other grandchildren (real grandchildren) move out of the house after they had been living their for years becuase the majority of MJ fans DID NOT want anyone else around those 3 kids, because they were put on pedastals from jump street.

when he announced he was having his first child, I said to myself it wouldn't surprised me if he posed a white child, and sure enough he did....

[Edited 1/23/13 5:28am]

I understand what your saying about Princeand Paris, no black traits not even in their bone structure. However, I do believe if you want to compare them with the other brothers children, you should not compare them with Tito sons simply because they are not really biracial. Their late mother was from dominca and a mixture of latino and african extraction therefore she too was more or less black. If anything 3T have a mixed ethnicity but they are not half white. I think there is too many people spread misinformation just to score points and it is not necessary. Most people apart from the obsessive fans have doubts about P and P origins, which is quite understandable but lets compare like with like. [Edited 1/23/13 12:24pm]

I respect your post compared to the other squibble the other two participants shose to display

the reason I brought up Tito's children, not to compare them to the three kids Michael said he fathered (I can't compare truth vs fable), but to show that even when children represent the offspring of a biracial relationship, or multiethnic relationship as you pointed out, you still see a resemblence, not just regarding physical features, but full presence, you can SEE it, plus TITO had marginal plastic surgery that didn't distort his appearance, so you can really see striking resemblance (none of the family needed plastic surgery but that's another matter)

yes, their late mother DEDE was from the lineage you pointed out, but I have to respect her full lineage, because of her latino heritage

the majority of MJ fans never revert to the period of MICHAEL'S adulthood, when he became a man during the late 70s, the Michael in his natural state, they refer to his childhood years or post full transformational look to state their case

most fans combat truth w/lies

for the fan who said I said Michael would have never made it w/out his brothers, that's a full fledge lie

what I HAVE said was the fact the brothers possessed talent in their own right and contributed to the groups success before Michael went solo, that's why I support these threads that mention the brothers.....

and what's sad is the damage that has been inflicted about the entire situation, because all of the hostility brought forth by the false image is directed towards people who have witnessed this entire scene unfold, and the majority of those who have been attacked have been black people, those who bought J5 records from day one....

the hostility was directed towards his family where Michael Jackson's mother was called every name under the sun by a litany of his fans, post-Thriller MJ fans that is......

you know what's ironic

those who posted that squibble think they are pissed at me

but the person they are really pissed at is the person who lied to them to begin with

[Edited 1/23/13 16:58pm]

mookie said:

Free2BMe said:

This is the very reason why NOTHING that Scorp says means shit. His agenda is cyrstal clear and anyone with a brain should know what he is doing. He uses his "old school black knowledge" of Michael when he was a part of the Jacksons to justify his attacks on Michael. That is ignorance of the worst level. It is also this kind of ignorance that this family is using to basically give COnrad Murray a pass for MURDERING their son/brother. Scorp is a fake who thinks that people will fall for his crap. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in an actual face-to-face debate.

To me, that poster is nothing but a fraud. If he was as militant as he tries to act, he would be up in arms about how Katherine is being set up to look like a clueless puppet regularly by these white z-listers. Everywhere you look this family is being laughed at over their stupidity and cluelessness, but these pre Thriller fans amazingly don't say shit about it.

Let Priscilla Presley associate with these same set of people the Jacksons contiuously associate with, these white rock fans would loose their shit. But these family lovers say nothing?

This is why anyone is unable to now complain about black icons not getting their due. The actions of this "black family" and the Houston family will always now be thrown in your face.

But he and other old schoolers want to get all preachy about MJ and his "white kids"? Just how out of touch are these posters?

[Edited 1/23/13 14:37pm]

exactly. i've noticed that the family's attacks mainly involve john branca, and not john mcclain, who ostensibly has just as much involvement in the estate's decisions as branca. but very rarely do they mention mcclain in their diatribes. they have nothing but love for mj's murderer. nothing but love and forgiveness for him. "we forgive you, dr. murray, now please help us with this lawsuit so we can profit from our dead brother/son since he left everything to his white kids." oh brother!!

why do they think this asshole - who i will always believe had an opportunity to save mj but actively chose not to - will give truthful statements under oath about mj and aeg? it just goes to show their level of stupidity and greed, and that has nothing to do with the fans, pre or post thriller. it has everything to do with THEM.

Scorp said:

the majority of MJ fans never revert to the period of MICHAEL'S adulthood, when he became a man during the late 70s, the Michael in his natural state, they refer to his childhood years or post full transformational look to state their case

blanket looks a lot like mj when he was a kid, and you're just choosing to deny that FACT. prince's nose is much broader than arnold klein's, the pathological liar who some people choose to believe is his father. he also has vitiligo, just as mj had. paris takes after her mother, in the same damn way that rashida jones takes after her mother. do you really see quincy jones in rashida's face, in her so-called "facial bone structure"? in her nose? in her hair? no, because she takes after her mother.

for the fan who said I said Michael would have never made it w/out his brothers, that's a full fledge lie

what I HAVE said was the fact the brothers possessed talent in their own right and contributed to the groups success before Michael went solo, that's why I support these threads that mention the brothers.....

you always denigrate mj's success. fact, not a lie. fact. you always find a way to give these guys - who are not nearly as talented as you seem to think - more props than they deserve, and you constantly do it at mj's expense.

and what's sad is the damage that has been inflicted about the entire situation, because all of the hostility brought forth by the false image is directed towards people who have witnessed this entire scene unfold, and the majority of those who have been attacked have been black people, those who bought J5 records from day one....

the hostility of the false image is the one that has been perpetuated by the jacksons themselves. this is not how a loving family behaves. they don't pimp out their dead brother's children because they don't like the color of their skin, and only see them as useful to their greedy ends. they don't go through his house after his death and steal his things to offer up on ebay to his fans. they don't try to side step his executors to profit off of him, or file a lawsuit in which they will gladly drag his memory through the mud as a means to an end. a family does forego restitution for his murderer, and they certainly don't go pleading to the murderer to help them with said lawsuit. if there is any hostility, it's been deserved.

Free2BMe said:

This is the very reason why NOTHING that Scorp says means shit. His agenda is cyrstal clear and anyone with a brain should know what he is doing. He uses his "old school black knowledge" of Michael when he was a part of the Jacksons to justify his attacks on Michael. That is ignorance of the worst level. It is also this kind of ignorance that this family is using to basically give COnrad Murray a pass for MURDERING their son/brother. Scorp is a fake who thinks that people will fall for his crap. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in an actual face-to-face debate.

I wouldn't last 30 minutes, because my conversation would take hours, and possible days to discuss.

Anytime you wanna think about issuing a debate, anywhere, anyplace, anytime......we can arrange it

u can orgnote me right now, and then we'll see what's up

as a matter of fact, I'll give you the head start since POST MJ-THRILLER FANS have been given the platform for the past 25 years anyway......

and I'm a tell you exactly what I'm a talk about.....

the first thing I'll mention is how the music industry is finished, then I will get into the root as to why....then I will explain when the problem exactly started, and the seed that was planted that made the problem surface, then exascerbate, then implode, then eventually collapsing on itself...

and I'll go into stark detail, then I'll get into each single year since 1959

but before I do that, I'll mention how black people in the united states, and abroad is on the verge of extinction when the majority can't see it, and if we don't wake up and fast, we'll be outta here w/in the next 40 years

then I'll explain how our culture has been exploited and robbed and how we don't have one anymore, and how the deterioration of culture has impacted our music and music as a whole, where we once had god music (not referring to gospel) and has been replaced by that predicated on hostility BECAUSE of the fact our culture has been robbed

and how luminaries such as Barry White said during an interview shortly before his passing said that society would never be able to recreate the level of exceptional music that was made during the 60s, 70s, and early 80s (notice he didn't say the entire decade of the 80s for by the late 80s, music was already beginning its decline)...and the REASON why that level ain't coming back is because music has been stripped down to the ROOT CHAKRA (as someone I've been introduced to has put it) and replaced with digitally crafted auto tune music (music that attacks the brain and creates aggressive behavior in various forms and fashion

then I'll revert back to 1959 when an entrepreneur started a record label, one that would become an institution, one that would encourage their artists to seek crossover ambition at the expense of the original support that put them in position to thrive and sustain longstanding careers, putting them in position to accumulate untold wealth, a vision that depended on authenticity but sought acceptance by the establishment for validation. But it really wasn't his fault though, as that entrepreneur only responded to the racial climate that existed during that time

that vision expanded throughout the 1970s as the crossover ambition would prepare premier black talents to seek the ultimate crossover audience as the 1980s arrived, but it came at a cost, as record companies and opportunists encouraged these individuals to alter their presentation, which included changes to their physical appearances, I can give a litany of names of those who would begin undergoing plastic surgery for that purpose, and along the way, the musical style was altered as well and then people w/tremendous voice started "losing their voice"

then I'll talk about how this formula for succcess generated massive sales by the late 80s, but at the expense of everything else that was significant, and by the time the establishment used them up, and drained every measure of talent, those who represent the estblishment thru that individual to the wasteside and to the wolves w/out providing resources for that person to cope, not only that, but it was difficult to reconcile w/the community because for all practical purposes, there stood a sense of abandonment

see, this stuff is real man and there aint time for squibble

but see now, the genie has been let out the bottle, and this method of success (that leads to destruction) has been projected to other cultures around the world, in Asia, Australia, especially in Africa and South America, and let me not forget my caribbean people as many people in Jamaica are burning their skin alive in an attempt to lighten it

all of this was wrong and has led to nothing fruitful, just bitterness and resentment in the end

and I could mention all of that without mentioning Michael Jackson's name, because people would know what's up.....

and then I would start talking about some of the most signficant lyrics he uttered after taking on the full scale pop concept

and this is why MICHAEL JACKSON said in the song STRANGER IN MOSCOW

"all abandoned in my fame, armaggedon of the brain, KGB be stalking me, take my name and just let me be"..

well, they TOOK it all right and the establishment (aka estate) unequivocally owns everything associated with his name, for his own memory know longer owns it........

for he knew by this time, this stage of his career, that he was robbed of his essential goodness, and if anyone notices, he would never released another single ever again that expressed the unity message

or what about when he said in the song SCREAM

"yall keep changing the rules, I keep PLAYING THE GAME (you see he willingly played the game), I can't take it much longer, I think I may go insane"....

or the one that tops it all off

when the majority was clamming up to FREE WILLY

Michael Jackson said in WILL YOU BE THERE

"when weary, to weak will you hold me, when wrong will you scold me, when lost will you find me, but they told me, a man should be faithful, and walk when not able, and fight to the end, but I'm only human".......

he used an amphibious animal to personify how he, as a black man was caught up in "the belly of the whale" (AKA THE POP ASCENSION) and neither had the means, the ability, or the solution to break away from it..he was officially trapped

and as I heard that song for the very first time while riding a city metro bus with my headphones on, I sat there crying hard because I knew a black man was in travail but he knew nobody was really listening, just enjoying the entertainment value

I wouldn't have to bring up the allegations, because those were born out of the fact Michael acquiesced to the system and as the nature of his transformation was about to be revealed, he was set up.....for you see, I never beleived he was guilty of molesting children...so you can never say I seek to demean him, you see there is no single enemy for the real enemy is the lie itself

but his very first public plea to the world that he knew he had developed the proclivity to moved beyond his god given natural state being

oh yes, when he prepared for the opening of his first ever solo tour, the BAD TOUR that opened in Tokey, Japan in September of 1987

do you remember what he said?

LIKE THE OLD INDIAN PROVERB SAYS, DON'T JUDGE A MAN UNTIL YOU WALK 2 MOONS IN HIS MOCASSIONS..

and he ended that by saying

BUT HAVE MERCY, FOR I'VE BEEN BLEEDING A LONG TIME NOW

see, at that stage of his life and his career, he came to a realization, one that has never had to be accepted or I should say placed before him....

he was telling the world, that he knew he would never be allowed to live his life as the black man he was born and meant to be.......never....the source of his pain, and that realization and that pain played out and revealed in those songs mentioned above.....

the man behind the mask u see

see, I'll dig down deep, to the bottom of that well, and just keep diggin, and pulling out golden nuggets for the Creator is beautiful, and nothing can defeat the truth, not even squibble

no, I'm the last person w/an agenda....see, I accepted Michael Jackson and any other artist who has touched me w/their talent and their music, rather they are black, rather they are white, or any other nationality or ethnicity, I accepted that person in their natural state and I feel damn good about it.....

so take a bite of those apples

all that was just for starters........for you see, that was just the tip of the iceberg homie

we'll see who's fake or who got faked out

[Edited 1/23/13 19:06pm]

Scorp said:

I wouldn't last 30 minutes, because my conversation would take hours, and possible days to discuss.

Anytime you wanna think about issuing a debate, anywhere, anyplace, anytime......we can arrange it

u can orgnote me right now, and then we'll see what's up

as a matter of fact, I'll give you the head start since POST MJ-THRILLER FANS have been given the platform for the past 25 years anyway......

and I'm a tell you exactly what I'm a talk about.....

the first thing I'll mention is how the music industry is finished, then I will get into the root as to why....then I will explain when the problem exactly started, and the seed that was planted that made the problem surface, then exascerbate, then implode, then eventually collapsing on itself...

and I'll go into stark detail, then I'll get into each single year since 1959

but before I do that, I'll mention how black people in the united states, and abroad is on the verge of extinction when the majority can't see it, and if we don't wake up and fast, we'll be outta here w/in the next 40 years

then I'll explain how our culture has been exploited and robbed and how we don't have one anymore, and how the deterioration of culture has impacted our music and music as a whole, where we once had god music (not referring to gospel) and has been replaced by that predicated on hostility BECAUSE of the fact our culture has been robbed

and how luminaries such as Barry White said during an interview shortly before his passing said that society would never be able to recreate the level of exceptional music that was made during the 60s, 70s, and early 80s (notice he didn't say the entire decade of the 80s for by the late 80s, music was already beginning its decline)...and the REASON why that level ain't coming back is because music has been stripped down to the ROOT CHAKRA (as someone I've been introduced to has put it) and replaced with digitally crafted auto tune music (music that attacks the brain and creates aggressive behavior in various forms and fashion

then I'll revert back to 1959 when an entrepreneur started a record label, one that would become an institution, one that would encourage their artists to seek crossover ambition at the expense of the original support that put them in position to thrive and sustain longstanding careers, putting them in position to accumulate untold wealth, a vision that depended on authenticity but sought acceptance by the establishment for validation. But it really wasn't his fault though, as that entrepreneur only responded to the racial climate that existed during that time

that vision expanded throughout the 1970s as the crossover ambition would prepare premier black talents to seek the ultimate crossover audience as the 1980s arrived, but it came at a cost, as record companies and opportunists encouraged these individuals to alter their presentation, which included changes to their physical appearances, I can give a litany of names of those who would begin undergoing plastic surgery for that purpose, and along the way, the musical style was altered as well and then people w/tremendous voice started "losing their voice"

then I'll talk about how this formula for succcess generated massive sales by the late 80s, but at the expense of everything else that was significant, and by the time the establishment used them up, and drained every measure of talent, those who represent the estblishment thru that individual to the wasteside and to the wolves w/out providing resources for that person to cope, not only that, but it was difficult to reconcile w/the community because for all practical purposes, there stood a sense of abandonment

see, this stuff is real man and I ain't got time for squibble

but see now, the genie has been let out the bottle, and this method of success (that leads to destruction) has been projected to other cultures around the world, in Asia, Australia, especially in Africa and South America, and let me not forget my caribbean people as many people in Jamaica are burning their skin alive in an attempt to lighten it

all of this was wrong and has led to nothing fruitful, just bitterness and resentment in the end

and I could mention all of that without mentioning Michael Jackson's name, because people would know what's up.....

and then I would start talking about some of the most signficant lyrics he uttered after taking on the full scale pop concept

and this is why MICHAEL JACKSON said in the song STRANGER IN MOSCOW

"all abandoned in my fame, armaggedon of the brain, KGB be stalking me, take my name and just let me be"..

well, they TOOK it all right and the establishment (aka estate) unequivocally owns everything associated with his name, for his own memory know longer owns it........

for he knew by this time, this stage of his career, that he was robbed of his essential goodness, and if anyone notices, he would never released another single ever again that expressed the unity message

or what about when he said in the song SCREAM

"yall keep changing the rules, I keep PLAYING THE GAME (you see he willingly played the game), I can't take it much longer, I think I may go insane"....

or the one that tops it all off

when the majority was clamming up to FREE WILLY

Michael Jackson said in WILL YOU BE THERE

"when weary, to weak will you hold me, when wrong will you scold me, when lost will you find me, but they told me, a man should be faithful, and walk when not able, and fight to the end, but I'm only human".......

he used an amphibious animal to personify how he, as a black man was caught up in "the belly of the whale" (AKA THE POP ASCENSION) and neither had the means, the ability, or the solution to break away from it..he was officially trapped

and as I heard that song for the very first time while riding a city metro bus with my headphones on, I sat there crying hard because I knew a black man was in travail but he knew nobody was really listening, just enjoying the entertainment value

I wouldn't have to bring up the allegations, because those were born out of the fact Michael acquiesced to the system and as the nature of his transformation was about to be revealed, he was set up.....for you see, I never beleived he was guilty of molesting children...so you can never say I seek to demean him, you see there is no single enemy for the real enemy is the lie itself

but his very first public plea to the world that he knew he had developed the proclivity to moved beyond his god given natural state being

oh yes, when he prepared for the opening of his first ever solo tour, the BAD TOUR that opened in Tokey, Japan in September of 1987

do you remember what he said?

LIKE THE OLD INDIAN PROVERB SAYS, DON'T JUDGE A MAN UNTIL YOU WALK 2 MOONS IN HIS MOCASSIONS..

and he ended that by saying

BUT HAVE MERCY, FOR I'VE BEEN BLEEDING A LONG TIME NOW

see, at that stage of his life and his career, he came to a realization, one that has never had to be accepted or I should say placed before him....

he was telling the world, that he knew he would never be allowed to live his life as the black man he was born and meant to be.......never....the source of his pain, and that realization and that pain played out and revealed in those songs mentioned above.....

the man behind the mask u see

see, I'll dig down deep, to the bottom of that well, and just keep diggin, and pulling out golden nuggets for the Creator is beautiful, and nothing can defeat the truth, not even squibble

no, I'm the last person w/an agenda....see, I accepted Michael Jackson and any other artist who has touched me w/their talent and their music, rather they are black, rather they are white, or any other nationality or ethnicity, I accepted that person in their natural state and I feel damn good about it.....

so take a bite of those apples

all that was just for starters........for you see, that was just the tip of the iceberg homie

[Edited 1/23/13 18:44pm]

After reading your psycho-babble, I realize you really have a serious problem which has NOTHING to do with Michael. I feel bad for you. Please get some help for your sake.

mookie said:

Free2BMe said:

This is the very reason why NOTHING that Scorp says means shit. His agenda is cyrstal clear and anyone with a brain should know what he is doing. He uses his "old school black knowledge" of Michael when he was a part of the Jacksons to justify his attacks on Michael. That is ignorance of the worst level. It is also this kind of ignorance that this family is using to basically give COnrad Murray a pass for MURDERING their son/brother. Scorp is a fake who thinks that people will fall for his crap. He wouldn't last 30 minutes in an actual face-to-face debate.

To me, that poster is nothing but a fraud. If he was as militant as he tries to act, he would be up in arms about how Katherine is being set up to look like a clueless puppet regularly by these white z-listers. Everywhere you look this family is being laughed at over their stupidity and cluelessness, but these pre Thriller fans amazingly don't say shit about it.

Let Priscilla Presley associate with these same set of people the Jacksons contiuously associate with, these white rock fans would loose their shit. But these family lovers say nothing?

This is why anyone is unable to now complain about black icons not getting their due. The actions of this "black family" and the Houston family will always now be thrown in your face.

But he and other old schoolers want to get all preachy about MJ and his "white kids"? Just how out of touch are these posters?

[Edited 1/23/13 14:37pm]

Agree.

If you want to keep it real... then keep it real. It appears he has his own biased and he selectively chooses in his mind his own conspiracies. To deny the Jackson Family behavior is beyond ridiculous especially if one has watched them since the beginning. Alot of old school J5 fans found the Jacksons behavior since MJs passing to be appalling.

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

I wouldn't last 30 minutes, because my conversation would take hours, and possible days to discuss.

Anytime you wanna think about issuing a debate, anywhere, anyplace, anytime......we can arrange it

u can orgnote me right now, and then we'll see what's up

as a matter of fact, I'll give you the head start since POST MJ-THRILLER FANS have been given the platform for the past 25 years anyway......

and I'm a tell you exactly what I'm a talk about.....

the first thing I'll mention is how the music industry is finished, then I will get into the root as to why....then I will explain when the problem exactly started, and the seed that was planted that made the problem surface, then exascerbate, then implode, then eventually collapsing on itself...

and I'll go into stark detail, then I'll get into each single year since 1959

but before I do that, I'll mention how black people in the united states, and abroad is on the verge of extinction when the majority can't see it, and if we don't wake up and fast, we'll be outta here w/in the next 40 years

then I'll explain how our culture has been exploited and robbed and how we don't have one anymore, and how the deterioration of culture has impacted our music and music as a whole, where we once had god music (not referring to gospel) and has been replaced by that predicated on hostility BECAUSE of the fact our culture has been robbed

and how luminaries such as Barry White said during an interview shortly before his passing said that society would never be able to recreate the level of exceptional music that was made during the 60s, 70s, and early 80s (notice he didn't say the entire decade of the 80s for by the late 80s, music was already beginning its decline)...and the REASON why that level ain't coming back is because music has been stripped down to the ROOT CHAKRA (as someone I've been introduced to has put it) and replaced with digitally crafted auto tune music (music that attacks the brain and creates aggressive behavior in various forms and fashion

then I'll revert back to 1959 when an entrepreneur started a record label, one that would become an institution, one that would encourage their artists to seek crossover ambition at the expense of the original support that put them in position to thrive and sustain longstanding careers, putting them in position to accumulate untold wealth, a vision that depended on authenticity but sought acceptance by the establishment for validation. But it really wasn't his fault though, as that entrepreneur only responded to the racial climate that existed during that time

that vision expanded throughout the 1970s as the crossover ambition would prepare premier black talents to seek the ultimate crossover audience as the 1980s arrived, but it came at a cost, as record companies and opportunists encouraged these individuals to alter their presentation, which included changes to their physical appearances, I can give a litany of names of those who would begin undergoing plastic surgery for that purpose, and along the way, the musical style was altered as well and then people w/tremendous voice started "losing their voice"

then I'll talk about how this formula for succcess generated massive sales by the late 80s, but at the expense of everything else that was significant, and by the time the establishment used them up, and drained every measure of talent, those who represent the estblishment thru that individual to the wasteside and to the wolves w/out providing resources for that person to cope, not only that, but it was difficult to reconcile w/the community because for all practical purposes, there stood a sense of abandonment

see, this stuff is real man and I ain't got time for squibble

but see now, the genie has been let out the bottle, and this method of success (that leads to destruction) has been projected to other cultures around the world, in Asia, Australia, especially in Africa and South America, and let me not forget my caribbean people as many people in Jamaica are burning their skin alive in an attempt to lighten it

all of this was wrong and has led to nothing fruitful, just bitterness and resentment in the end

and I could mention all of that without mentioning Michael Jackson's name, because people would know what's up.....

and then I would start talking about some of the most signficant lyrics he uttered after taking on the full scale pop concept

and this is why MICHAEL JACKSON said in the song STRANGER IN MOSCOW

"all abandoned in my fame, armaggedon of the brain, KGB be stalking me, take my name and just let me be"..

well, they TOOK it all right and the establishment (aka estate) unequivocally owns everything associated with his name, for his own memory know longer owns it........

for he knew by this time, this stage of his career, that he was robbed of his essential goodness, and if anyone notices, he would never released another single ever again that expressed the unity message

or what about when he said in the song SCREAM

"yall keep changing the rules, I keep PLAYING THE GAME (you see he willingly played the game), I can't take it much longer, I think I may go insane"....

or the one that tops it all off

when the majority was clamming up to FREE WILLY

Michael Jackson said in WILL YOU BE THERE

"when weary, to weak will you hold me, when wrong will you scold me, when lost will you find me, but they told me, a man should be faithful, and walk when not able, and fight to the end, but I'm only human".......

he used an amphibious animal to personify how he, as a black man was caught up in "the belly of the whale" (AKA THE POP ASCENSION) and neither had the means, the ability, or the solution to break away from it..he was officially trapped

and as I heard that song for the very first time while riding a city metro bus with my headphones on, I sat there crying hard because I knew a black man was in travail but he knew nobody was really listening, just enjoying the entertainment value

I wouldn't have to bring up the allegations, because those were born out of the fact Michael acquiesced to the system and as the nature of his transformation was about to be revealed, he was set up.....for you see, I never beleived he was guilty of molesting children...so you can never say I seek to demean him, you see there is no single enemy for the real enemy is the lie itself

but his very first public plea to the world that he knew he had developed the proclivity to moved beyond his god given natural state being

oh yes, when he prepared for the opening of his first ever solo tour, the BAD TOUR that opened in Tokey, Japan in September of 1987

do you remember what he said?

LIKE THE OLD INDIAN PROVERB SAYS, DON'T JUDGE A MAN UNTIL YOU WALK 2 MOONS IN HIS MOCASSIONS..

and he ended that by saying

BUT HAVE MERCY, FOR I'VE BEEN BLEEDING A LONG TIME NOW

see, at that stage of his life and his career, he came to a realization, one that has never had to be accepted or I should say placed before him....

he was telling the world, that he knew he would never be allowed to live his life as the black man he was born and meant to be.......never....the source of his pain, and that realization and that pain played out and revealed in those songs mentioned above.....

the man behind the mask u see

see, I'll dig down deep, to the bottom of that well, and just keep diggin, and pulling out golden nuggets for the Creator is beautiful, and nothing can defeat the truth, not even squibble

no, I'm the last person w/an agenda....see, I accepted Michael Jackson and any other artist who has touched me w/their talent and their music, rather they are black, rather they are white, or any other nationality or ethnicity, I accepted that person in their natural state and I feel damn good about it.....

so take a bite of those apples

all that was just for starters........for you see, that was just the tip of the iceberg homie

[Edited 1/23/13 18:44pm]

After reading your psycho-babble, I realize you really have a serious problem which has NOTHING to do with Michael. I feel bad for you. Please get some help for your sake. I am very serious, you really need to seek professional help. Finally, stop blaming Michael for YOUR problem(s).

Free2BMe said:

Free2BMe said:

After reading your psycho-babble, I realize you really have a serious problem which has NOTHING to do with Michael. I feel bad for you. Please get some help for your sake. I am very serious, you really need to seek professional help. Finally, stop blaming Michael for YOUR problem(s).

just what I thought and anticipated...............SQUIBBLE......

don't pity me.......I'm doing awesome....I thank the Creator for that

who you should feel for is those over the years who said point blank w/out any reservation they would have never accepted Michael Jackson when he was visibly black and preferred him in transformational phase.......i've read these comments time and time again splattered all across the world wide web

anytime you wanna schedule that debate (which really aint one)....u just let me know

[Edited 1/23/13 19:31pm]

Scorp said:

Free2BMe said:

just what I thought and anticipated...............SQUIBBLE......

don't pity me.......I'm doing awesome....I thank the Creator for that

who you should feel for is those over the years who said point blank w/out any reservation they would have never accepted Michael Jackson when he was visibly black and preferred him in transformational phase.......i've read these comments time and time again splattered all across the world wide web

anytime you wanna schedule that debate (which really aint one)....u just let me know

[Edited 1/23/13 19:31pm]

I thought that maybe you would last 30 minutes in a debate, after reading your previous post, you wouldn't last 10 minutes. You would have to be taken out in a straight jacket. As I and someone else stated earlier, you are a FRAUD.

BTW, when are you going to acknowledge the photos of Marlon Jackson's WHITE grandchildren? Do your double standards only apply to Michael Jackson? I can't wait for your excuses for Marlon's WHITE grandchildren.

[Edited 1/23/13 19:45pm]

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

just what I thought and anticipated...............SQUIBBLE......

don't pity me.......I'm doing awesome....I thank the Creator for that

who you should feel for is those over the years who said point blank w/out any reservation they would have never accepted Michael Jackson when he was visibly black and preferred him in transformational phase.......i've read these comments time and time again splattered all across the world wide web

anytime you wanna schedule that debate (which really aint one)....u just let me know

[Edited 1/23/13 19:31pm]

I thought that maybe you would last 30 minutes in a debate, after reading your previous post, you wouldn't last 10 minutes. You would have to be taken out in a straight jacket. As I and someone else stated earlier, you are a FRAUD.

BTW, when are you going to acknowledge the photos of Marlon Jackson's WHITE grandchildren? Do your double standards only apply to Michael Jackson? I can't wait for your excuses for Marlon's WHITE grandchildren.

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more SQUIBBLE......

I ain't worried those empty attempts at insults.....that points to last resort, last ditch effort to uphold the lies......thats when you go into tank mode right before you tank out

I'm so beyond insults, they just roll off squibble by squibble

what's the word...for what comes out of a man so is he......

YOU brought up the debate challenge, but you don't want to though

you just talkin

when you ready to talk about why people of color around this globe or frying their skin to change their color (which is because they have been indoctrinated with a standard of beauty constantly reinforced by the establishment), which is promoting self hatred

then I'll answer the question you so eagerly want me to respond to so you can get your rocks off

the POP ASCENSION, all of it has been one great fraud.....

A plea shared with the fans the day before. A plea expressed to the fans right before. A plea rejected by the fans just before. They said he should when he shouldn’t, believing he would when he wouldn’t, suggesting he could when he couldn’t.

A vision blurred when the eyes can’t see, they say the truth will set you free.

[Edited 1/23/13 20:10pm]

Scorp said:

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said: And I actually would bet that money that MJ was the fathe of those Children. I'm from a mixed background myself and Ive always been interested in genetics and facial features. I find it quite amusing, that you completely ignore the similarity of hair and facial structure of blanket Jackson and his cousin Jermajesty (I don't know if I'm spelling the name correctly lol)... Remember That MJ is the only Jackson who had children with a white woman, the other siblings had children with Latinas (Afro-Latina/black&white/native) (Italian& mexican) (Arabian) (black/Asian) (colombian/meztisa). Also you say that those children might not even be Debbie rowes? Seriously? Look at Paris, she's a tanned version of her mother. But whatever, people are going to believe what they want.

Gold Dolphin

you would lose all of your money bettin on this one, and it ain't even fair to you

you would have a better chance betting your money betting as to whether or not 1+1=3

yes, many of Michael's brothers fathered biracial children, but you see resemblance among Tito son's, Jermaine's sons to their father

Jermaine's first set of kids he had with his first wife Hazel who's black

and they fathered their children naturally

Tito's sons look strikingly like their father even though they are biracial

Michael Jackson went so far as to dyed the hair color of that oldest kid, bleach blond hair, and he did it when the kid was a baby

this is what it comes down to,

Michael Jackson bought 3 kids, 2 white, one mexican, used 2 surrogate mothers to bring forth those children and paid them, posed them to the world and said "I'm the king of pop, these kids are mine and because I'm the king of pop, this is true"

his fans believed it with open arms, and wouldn't have it any other way

and when 6/25/09 hit, the world, the commercial media, and to some extent, the greater public at large who have grown up during the age of political correctness favored those 3 kids, and pushed the other Jackson family kids out the window, because the oldest two are white, the youngest is mexican, and that's what led to teh chaos with the fake stun gun incident, which led to a SWAT team flying above the roof of the family home in Encino, which led to Katherine being forced to have all of her other grandchildren (real grandchildren) move out of the house after they had been living their for years becuase the majority of MJ fans DID NOT want anyone else around those 3 kids, because they were put on pedastals from jump street.

when he announced he was having his first child, I said to myself it wouldn't surprised me if he posed a white child, and sure enough he did....

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You know what? This post shows more of your insecurity and your fear of what black and mixed people are supposed to look like. You base your assumptions on thoughts made by white racists who believe that a biracial child MUST look like a 50 % mixture of both parents, since genetic teaches us that we are of different races (which of course is bogus - we are all Homo Sapiens Sapiens). These people don't comprehend that african-americans, Latin-americans, Native Americans (and other people of the americas post colonial times) are of mixed heritage and are not longer 100 % of one specific genetic group, hence you see more diversity of colored people of the Americas vs people who are isolated and haven't mixed at all.

How sir, do you explain that Prince has vitiligo? You do understand that MJ had viitligo, a disease that 1-4 % of the population have and is quite rare.

The reason why Tito's children 3T are of darker complexion than MJs children is because Dee Dee wasn't white but not black either, she was a mixture of 3 ethnic groups (black, white & native american).

So how come Prince (a white child in your eyes, has the similiar complexion to his cousin whose black & afro-latino?)

Then how come Paris Jackson is of the same complexion as Sophie Riche as well as hair type. (a biracial girl) You do realize they lighten the pictures of Paris Jackson right?

Scorp said:

Free2BMe said:

I thought that maybe you would last 30 minutes in a debate, after reading your previous post, you wouldn't last 10 minutes. You would have to be taken out in a straight jacket. As I and someone else stated earlier, you are a FRAUD.

BTW, when are you going to acknowledge the photos of Marlon Jackson's WHITE grandchildren? Do your double standards only apply to Michael Jackson? I can't wait for your excuses for Marlon's WHITE grandchildren.

[Edited 1/23/13 19:45pm]

more SQUIBBLE......

I ain't worried those empty attempts at insults.....that points to last resort, last ditch effort to uphold the lies......thats when you go into tank mode right before you tank out

I'm so beyond insults, they just roll off squibble by squibble

what's the word...for what comes out of a man so is he......

YOU brought up the debate challenge, but you don't want to though

you just talkin

when you ready to talk about why people of color around this globe or frying their skin to change their color (which is because they have been indoctrinated with a standard of beauty constantly reinforced by the establishment), which is promoting self hatred

then I'll answer the question you so eagerly want me to respond to so you can get your rocks off

the POP ASCENSION, all of it has been one great fraud.....

A plea shared with the fans the day before. A plea expressed to the fans right before. A plea rejected by the fans just before. They said he should when he shouldn’t, believing he would when he wouldn’t, suggesting he could when he couldn’t.

A vision blurred when the eyes can’t see, they say the truth will set you free.

[Edited 1/23/13 20:10pm]

You may think that Michael Jackson was a fraud, based on your own theories on life and what he creates when you look at him, but that has nothing to do with him. Very few people knew the man personally! Yes the skin bleaching industry and the standard of beauty post colonialism is sad, but it all starts with ourselves and having strong parents who read OUR history and not the european version of it. All people of all nationalities are beautiful and special in their own special way. MJ did not skin bleach his skin color and he is not to blame for the standard of beauty (that white people put in practise over a 150 years ago). I actually praise Michael Jackson for doing the things he did, having black woman in his videos, paying native americans the most money in the history of music videos/short film to appear in his Black Or White video, to show apprecation and respect to the original people of the Americas. To look at children of all skin colors and tell them that they are all beautiful, is the message he sent across the globe. He loved being black and you can tell in his art. He also loved the world because he had travelled and seen all types of wonderful things, that most of us won't ever experience. He never denied the horrible history of the past either. I dont understand why you resent Michael Jackson, but he was proud of what he was and never denied it.

Free2BMe said:

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said: And I actually would bet that money that MJ was the fathe of those Children. I'm from a mixed background myself and Ive always been interested in genetics and facial features. I find it quite amusing, that you completely ignore the similarity of hair and facial structure of blanket Jackson and his cousin Jermajesty (I don't know if I'm spelling the name correctly lol)... Remember That MJ is the only Jackson who had children with a white woman, the other siblings had children with Latinas (Afro-Latina/black&white/native) (Italian& mexican) (Arabian) (black/Asian) (colombian/meztisa). Also you say that those children might not even be Debbie rowes? Seriously? Look at Paris, she's a tanned version of her mother. But whatever, people are going to believe what they want.

Thank you so much for what you posted. You are exactly correct. It seems that Scorp, who has an AGENDA btw, is conveniently ignoring everything that you wrote in your post. Scorp is also lying and adding HIS opinions as if they are fact. There is NOTHING that he has ever posted that is based on fact, ALL of his posts are based on innuendo, gossip, personal agenda/opinions, etc. It truly sickens me that this person comes into basically every MJ discussion, not to praise Michael, but to degrade, denigrate, tear-down, etc. Again, Scrop, has an AGENDA and anyone with even a semblance of intelligence can tell what it is. Btw, like you , I would bet MONEY that Michael IS the BIOLOGICAL father of PPB. Michael ALWAYS said that he would have children of HIS OWN and these children are 1000% his. It is pure IGNORANCE to think that this man would risk his legacy by using someone else's sperm when he was oerfectly capable of using his own. It shows just how people like Scorp underestimated Michael's intelligence. Debbie has said MANY times that Prince and Paris were conceived naturally and I believe her.

I guess Scorp CONVENIENTLY ignores that Debbie was pregnant with Michael's child BEFORE she conceived Prince. I guess Scorp and others like him/her CONVENIENTLY igores the FACT that Debbie and Michael were together YEARS before he even started dating LM. Would Scorp be saying that these children were not Michael's if LM was the mother. You can bet your ass, he/she wouldn't be saying that. It's disrepectful to Michael AND his children for this kind of bullshit to continue to spew from people like Scorp. FTR, PPB are 1000% Michael's.

Again,thank you for your intuitive, thoughtful post.

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He def does have an agenda, which is really a shame. I dont know why he dislikes MJ after Thriller so much. It's so crazy to me. I've always felt that MJs more interesting period in his life are the years between Bad and Dangerous, when he travelled the world and start reading more about history and comprehend the situation of the world much better. That's where some of the inspiration for Dangerous came from, he had seen the world with new eyes and realized that what he had learned with the Jehovas Witness / other conservative ideas weren't something he could relate to and understand because the world was so much more than that.

1992 /EBONY/JET: Do you have any special feeling about this return to the continent of Africa?

Michael Jackson: For me, it's like the "dawn of civilization." It's the first place where society existed. It's seen a lot of love. I guess there's that connection because it is the root of all rhythm. Everything. It's home.

EBONY/JET: You visited Africa in 1974. Can you compare and contrast the two visits?

Michael Jackson: I'm more aware of things this time: the people and how they live and their government. But for me, I'm more aware of the rhythms and the music and the people. That's what I'm really noticing more than any thing. The rhythms are incredible. You can tell especially the way the children move. Even the little babies, when they hear the drums, they start to move. The rhythm, the way it affects their soul and they start to move. The same thing that Blacks have in America.

Arbwyth said:

LiLi1992 said:

Michael naturally was very dark, he had at least 6 "dark" allele out of 8.
Even if Debbie has all 8 "light" allele (although this is rare, 99% of white people have 1-2 "dark" allele), the chance that these children could be born from Michael - 0.01%.
Yes, sometimes there are genetic failures, but two times in a row - fiction.

fans are so fond of using these rare photographs, when black parents gave born completely white children. but there are very, very exceptional cases, in which are usually one parent at least a bi-racial, with not more than 4-5 "dark" alleles, and other - white.

maybe I'll post pictures of children who were born from the union of a white mother and a black father, and 99.9% of them have obvious external signs of both races.

come on here.

With all due respect, I don't think you've seen very many black people if you believe MJ was "very" dark, even in his younger days. And the reason this is a very passionate issue for a lot of people is because they DO have mixed-race families whose colors range from very dark to very light, without adoption. Sure, it would be pretty unusual for that to have happened 3 times, but the arguments I see on this thread are always really ignorant and phrased in a way that's kind of offensive to people from mixed race families, where a huge variety of shades is common. A lot of you are essentially erasing others' reality with the way you make your arguments, and I'm guessing those who are doing it have very little familiarity with mixed race families.

I've noticed that when this topic comes up, the people who say the kids could biologically be MJ's cite the range of shades within their own families. So, this is clearly coming from a place of personal experience and sometimes personal pain due to the ignorance a lot of folks still have regarding mixed families. Despite knowing this about other posters, some of you still make absolutist statements like, "There's NO WAY those kids are biologically his." Um, yes, there is. Sure, the odds aren't great that they are (since it's happened three times) but stop it with the absolutist statements. That's what I think people who get defensive are objecting to. Unless you come from a mixed race family, you really don't know what you're talking about or how it feels to have your family's reality erased like that. It's not just this one scenario, it's a lifetime of people saying things like that over and over again about YOUR OWN FAMILY.

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Well said!

There is no reason why Michael Jackson's isn't the biological father of Prince, Paris and Blanket. It's not an impossiblilty, and I used to work with a woman who was mixed race black/white, who looked white and her father was a regular looking black man. Mixed Race people come in phenotypes many different variations, more so than people of other racial mixes. Also, Blanket has too many little and major things about him that remind me of Michael, he sure is the biological son Michael Jackson.

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Emancipation89 said:

Priceless

ohh, my ears....