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Printablemrjun18 said: You may wanna throw R. Kelly up in there. All the songs he has plus what he was wrote for others is an overall very diverse, versatile catalogue. Fucking, cheating, breaking up, and falling in love very versatile  I'm a big R. Kelly fan by the way | |
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Same
Idk how many times R talked about cheating or down low relationships.
And then his sex songs
And he did have those songs about loosing homies & believeing in yourself or..whatever.
But i hate to say it those songs dealiong with loosing homies or his love for GOD are corny as fuck Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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Great example.
And I don't get it at all why people consider Prince a diverse lyricist With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Exactly, I agree.
The lyrics in 'They Don't Really care about us' are HARDLY political
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But just because he isn't known for his deep lyrics, doesn't mean the aren't.
Prince's lyrics are deep, MJ's aren't and although neither are known for deep lyrics, the fact remains | |
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I'm glad Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Stevie & Marvin were mentioned, but what about Bob Marley? I don't know his discography well enough to list all the topics he's discussed, but simply listening to the first two songs on Exodus shows how he is far superior to so-called talented writers [Edited 1/5/13 8:26am] | |
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Yeah MJ's lyrics aren't deep. The fact that you just said They Don't Care About Us isn't political just proves you have something against him.
I would also suggest Janet Jackson - although she's not technically a brilliant writer - her lyrics dwell in to topics others - who worry about their image and selling records - would dare not and sound sincere. She expressed that she was depressed despite having it all which could have come across negatively and very self involved (as some other artists come aross - crying about the media and such - which is rather boring)
Being an Independent woman, waiting before having sex, education, poverty, drugs, her own sexuality, homosexuality, domestic abuse, losing someone, AIDS, lonliness, being free etc... (subject matter)
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Beat me, hate me
He's just talking about himself and the media ONCE AGAIN. It's self-involved, boring, and tiresome. Get over it. [Edited 1/5/13 8:36am] | |
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Its no point in saying that to them, they dont like Michael Jackson | |
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He does.
I wish he just say I dont like Michael Jackson instead of putting on that he likes him when its obvious he doesnt. He trashes him in almost every forum I go to, JUST PRESSED.
(although sometime extreme)At least Graycap doesnt fake that MJ is one of his favorite artists like he does. [Edited 1/5/13 9:41am] | |
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Agree... Prince has some of the most childish lyrics ever on some of his songs and Stevie as well as Bob Dylan has simple lyrics on some of their songs but sometimes simple does not necessarily mean mediocre.
A really good song can have simple lyrics and anyway this thread is about which artist has the most DIVERSE lyrics in terms of subject matter not who was more lyrically complex or simple etc but I dunno some way or another somebody will find something to bash MJ with.... thats just protocol on this site.
Skin head, dead head
ANYBODY suggests this is simple or mediocre and not political.... IS a MJ hater period. I dont entertain that foolishness.
I WILL ADMIT MJ had some simple lyrics on some songs but this damn sure aint one of them. | |
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Why are you talking about me as if I can't read what you're saying?
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But once again, he is talking about HIMSELF
me, me, me, me, me
Tell me what has become of my rights
Regardless, it's about the media not politics. Just because it mentions political figures does not make it political. It's about the media, and the connection between the government and the media is slight.
Labelling it a pollitcal song is false. Labelling it a song which is about the relentlless intrusion of the media without consequence or being reprimanded by the law is more correct. It's still about the media.
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You know, the ex-fans are usually the most passionate haters.
Great song, one of his best --------------------------- Queen
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The song is overall not self serving but this was during the time during the allegations so there are some references to that naturally (since he talks about the political system being corrupt and feels he is unjustly ridiculed he is going to use his self as an example naturally) but overall the song is very political and discusses broader issues besides the political system specifically.
For instance:
If I am making a song about racism and I have personally experience that, naturally I am going use my personal experience of racism as an example as well in a poem, in a song, whatever the case may be... it does not mean that I am self serving myself by talking about my own personal experience when I am talking about a broader issue and using other examples in the bigger scheme of things
It exactly is MORE empowering when someone uses their OWN personal experiences whatever the case ex. rape, child abuse, domestic violence in a song versus using second and third person examples especially when your a singer because it makes it more personal, it makes them appear more normal, and more identifable, not saying as well with second/third person but it gives a different impact and it makes it more personal and sincere.
If you look at those Stevie Wonder songs I mentioned, Stevie even uses himself as an example in his own songs that does not mean they are self serving, especially he is covering broader issues and uses other examples
If someone writes their OWN songs they are naturally going to use themself as an example in their own songs at times depending on what the theme is and if they identify or has personally gone through what they are writing about. In this particular case, MJ experienced or at least in HIS mind what he was singing about which is why he references himself but he also covers other things and uses second and third person examples.
I dont know if you know what certain words means or metaphors but its obvious you dont with your persistence that this song is self serving when it is not. You only pick certain stanzas but fail to really look at the overall song and acknowledge the overall theme which I feel you dont want to since you hate Michael Jackson or maybe you just dont understand the song.
Skin head, dead head----- Racism/ Skin heads are a racist elite militant group similiar to the KKK
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Your Right.
Janet does has diverse lyrics particularly and specifically on Rhythm Nation and Velvet Rope as far as diverse subject matter but she didnt write none of those songs on her own and I personally feel its more personal when a singer writes their own music and its more relatable (Before you cuss me out (cause your the biased Janet stan
And in saying this no way takes nothing away from those classics but it what it is and I am in no way suggest Janet was not involved because she was.
But you sitting up here like she wrote those songs by herself when she didnt.
Technically this is not about who wrote their own music or didnt, its simply on diverse subject matter and you technically dont have to write your own music to have diverse subject matter.
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Is the
She has written songs by herself, e.g. Black Cat, which was a Number one on numerous charts (hot 100, rock) etc.
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've looked at each line closely, but no need to be so patronising.
I think you're finding things aren't there, some of which not even intended by MJ. Of course that happens with every piece of text (it's all a matter of how you interpret it and what it means to you).
When I see these lyrics, I see MJ complaining about the media (with references/comaprisons - some unwarranted tbh - to historic injustice; political issues). But there ISN'T one correct interpretation. It's all opinion. [Edited 1/5/13 12:32pm] | |
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I gave you the nutty symbol because your insulting me because I am a MJ fan
This has nothing to do with one being a fan of an artist or not.
Now I dont disagree with your second paragraph (I pretty much said the same thing in my post)... HOWEVER, its a still a difference.
Black Cat is not a political song or a song that has much depth.
I STILL LOVE IT! But I would describe it lyrically as very simple but its still a good song. What makes it stand out though is the rock production. That is the ONLY song she has written by her self well at least that has been recorded on her albums.
The rest she has received co credits and its arguable how much she exactly contributed in the songwriting process but all speculation aside, the botton line is like you said they were based off of her experiences but she technically did not write them herself and yes there is a difference there versus someone who writes about their own personal experiences.
Technically, I wouldnt call an artist like that a true songwriter and I also technically wouldnt say its truly from their perspective since they didnt write it.
Once again, I love Janet and that takes nothing away from her but you were implying something that was false.
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Guys, do you have other favorite artists, besides Jacksons, that are more suitable for discussion in this thread?
Bob Dylan | |
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Well, You most certainly have been pretending this whole time with your claims about what the song is about.
If you have not looked at the lyrics closely than why are you making generalizations about a theme of a song based on a few lines out of the song?
Thats rather narrowminded and lazy on your part.
If you are going to make bold claims about what he is talking about then you should at least read the WHOLE SONG LYRICS before you rant on about why MJs lyrics are so simple and so self serving...
If anyone is being patronising.... its YOU with your indirect insults.
You ranted and complained about a song this whole time that you have not even read the entire lyrics to and since you know you were wrong want to excuse it by insisting things can be interpreted differently
OF COURSE, song lyrics are interpreted differently.
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Why are you talking about being rational or irrational (btw unrational is not a word).
She's the brains behind it, so yes it does come from her.
She's written other songs like Whoops Now
Her albums are collaborations, they are given equal credit to everything. You wouldn't call janet a proper songwriter but in the same breath applaud JJ & TL for their songwriting. So please, don't give me that BS - she is a songwriter.
Stating things like 'skin head dead head' - where is the depth in that? It's just as simple but less imaginative/enjoyable then
Black cat
and BTW, In no way am I comparing Janet's ability to songwrite to MJ's.
But few of MJ's songs hold any meaning to me and most contain little emotion. Stranger in moscow is one of the few exceptions.
Sorry if I'd rather listen to this:
Outside leave judgement
than this:
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There's a difference from analysing each line and reading the lyrics twice through because some of it is inaudible on the track. I never claimed I had looked at each line.
Sorry if I'd rather spend my time listening Joni Mitchell lyrics - who has genuine emotion, any song on Blue blows any MJ song out of the water - than a MJ song ( most MJ songs only require a glimpse to get the jist of the song). They Don't Really Care About us is hardly Desolation Row or All Along The Watchtower or Like A Rolling Stone or Stairway to heaven etc
I'm glad you realise that songs are interpreted differently. I didn't complain nor rant, I just gave my opinion. You just contradicted yourself; I can't be wrong if 'OF COURSE' it's all interpretation. [Edited 1/5/13 13:18pm] | |
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Marvin Gaye:
Whats Going on I Want You Whats Happening Brother Lets Get In On Flying High in the Friendly Skies Got to Give It Up Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology) To Busy Thinking Bout My Baby Save The Children Just To Keep You Satisfied Inner City Blues Heard It Through The Grapvine God Is Love Wholy Holy Right On I'll Be Doggon
Just to Name a Few...another one of my favorites | |
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ALL those songs are not from Whats Going On
Will you stop stalking my posts and let me post what the fuck I want post | |
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I posted a few of Bowie's earlier. All his songs are so different lyrically it'd be hard analyzing all of them especially during the late 70's. | |
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