estelle81 said:

mjscarousal said:

AGREE! Which is why I think that is the reason I dont care for Beyonces, Love on Top. I do admit that is one of her better songs but Ive just heard so many many many songs that are similiar and that are better than that, ya know?

Making a observation doesnt make you a music snob And I was a fan of Adele since Chasing Pavements.

When I think of a music snob I think of someone who is not open minded or who does not want to give a particular artist or genre a listen because they have a preconceived opinion already made in their mind that they dont like it.

It is a HUGE difference when you have listened to something enough to conclude that you dont like it

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Amen! Her first album was slept on I feel. '21' is lyrically, instrumentally, and vocally stellar I think and deserved all the accolades it received. She's real point blank to the period and understands that the music is all that really should matter even over image and being popular.

Fun. and Mumford & Sons have released some interesting tunes so I can understand the Grammy nods. I wish I could be one of those people who can sit and just listen to an album just for the sake of hearing it. Unfortunately, I can't do that if nothing about that artist piques my interest after listening to their released singles. I have one rule of thumb for my music listening, I have to like the majority of the released singles for me to even consider checking out that artist's album. If I'm not feeling the singles than it's a big probability I won't be into the majority of the album.

I actually like Kelly Clarkson's newest single more than 'Stronger' but it's too late to enter it into this year's list...I liked it when she debuted it on the AMAs.

The most current artist that has me mesmerized is Daley who really needs to get an album out here. His voice is amazing; his lyrics are well-done (and he writes them); and his instrumentation is very good as he connects well with his songs. That is what I look for when I listen to an artist. How pretty they are; what they are wearing; or how cool their video is are the last things that appeal to me. Like I always say, I can't see them when I'm listening to their albums. Imagery is nice but it's not as important as the artistry to me. I'm happy the committee didn't nominate image based artists this year because I like knowing that just because Gaga, Bieber, Minaj, and Rihanna may be able to debut at number one and sell millions of copies, that doesn't mean they are entitled to a Grammy just because they are popular.

Honestly, I've been more moved and entertained lately by music hopefuls singing covers on 'The Voice' than by the majority of signed artists on the radio in heavy rotation. I'd buy a Trevin Hunte, Nicholas David, Amanda Brown, or Terry McDermott album over any of these people any day of the week. If they can sound amazing doing covers than I can only imagine how outstanding they will sound doing their own material. All just my

I really do hope he gets recognition, he seems to be a promising artist. I prefer him over Miguel

I agree with your points on everything for the most part. I havent really been moved by anything mainstream wise since Adele big break last year (although I still dont have her album ) I will always support her and do like her. I just think music is changing more into people finding their own music because quality music is definitly not playing on the radio unless its specifically genre based like R&B, Jazz etc.

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newayz... like I was saying. I'm excited about Jack just being nominated.

mjscarousal said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's an opinion of the listener. You cannot prove that one music is better than another. The award shows nominate popular acts. Out of thousands of albums, how can someone rate what is the "best", especially if the voters haven't listened to them all. It's no different than having a "Miss Universe" with only women from earth competing. Where's the females from other planets? Why isn't a spoken word, traditional/contempory blues, or gospel act nominated for a 'album/song of the year', instead of special categories that are not broadcast? They're niche music without a lot of mainstream attention.

I am just making a observation. And from my observation the popular music of the past for the most part was of better quality than it is now.

On your Grammys arguement:

there are artists that always gets snub like Anothony Hamilton and Jill Scott that have chart hits that gets spin on R&B stations. Hamilton has a nod this year but his not a nominee that the Grammys usually nod and he has hits all the time. Some of these artists that deserve nominations are not the lowest of the low in popularity they exactly are quite well known.

I am not complaining about the nominations this year but just simply pointed out over the last decade the grammys have been rewarding popularity over quality and over the last two years they seemed to have tried to change up a bit which is good.

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Anthony actually has 2 nods this year. Best R&B Album and Best R&B Song.

Both Anthony and Jill have won Grammy Awards. Anthony won in 2008 for his duet with Al Green and Jill (who has 3) won in 2004, 2006 and 2007.

For "So In Love," that song was eligible for last year's nominations. I remember reading that Jill was upset because it was her biggest hit and didn't get a nomination. She was nominated for a song she did with Marcus Miller and Chuck Brown, but not for "So In Love."

The thing is that the categories that we listen to are not generally apart of the mainstream. That is why they are overlooked.

There are several artists that don't have Grammy Awards that deserve them OR they give them Grammy Awards after their hey day. Patti Austin, Diana Ross and Madonna all come immediately to mind. It too Madonna YEARS to win her first Grammy (for Ray of Light).

It's funny to me when people bitch about Grammys (not to anyone in particular in this thread either)... it was established from day one that it was a popularity contest. Thing is the Grammys have always selectively picked five nominees each year and some of the nominees were either really popular or they picked them themselves. Just go to the Grammys archive. These nominations are not different from what was nominated in the last 54 years this was on the air.

daPrettyman said:

mjscarousal said:

I am just making a observation. And from my observation the popular music of the past for the most part was of better quality than it is now.

On your Grammys arguement:

there are artists that always gets snub like Anothony Hamilton and Jill Scott that have chart hits that gets spin on R&B stations. Hamilton has a nod this year but his not a nominee that the Grammys usually nod and he has hits all the time. Some of these artists that deserve nominations are not the lowest of the low in popularity they exactly are quite well known.

I am not complaining about the nominations this year but just simply pointed out over the last decade the grammys have been rewarding popularity over quality and over the last two years they seemed to have tried to change up a bit which is good.

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Anthony actually has 2 nods this year. Best R&B Album and Best R&B Song.

Both Anthony and Jill have won Grammy Awards. Anthony won in 2008 for his duet with Al Green and Jill (who has 3) won in 2004, 2006 and 2007.

For "So In Love," that song was eligible for last year's nominations. I remember reading that Jill was upset because it was her biggest hit and didn't get a nomination. She was nominated for a song she did with Marcus Miller and Chuck Brown, but not for "So In Love."

The thing is that the categories that we listen to are not generally apart of the mainstream. That is why they are overlooked.

There are several artists that don't have Grammy Awards that deserve them OR they give them Grammy Awards after their hey day. Patti Austin, Diana Ross and Madonna all come immediately to mind. It too Madonna YEARS to win her first Grammy (for Ray of Light).

I acknowleged that Anothony received a nomination this year, didnt know it was two. And yes Jill does have three grammys but I still think her along with Anothony are on a long list of artists specifically in the R&B genre that should have won in past years in the R&B categories album, song, duet, etc. Jill and Anothony typically are not artists that the Grammys give muliple nominations to let alone awards. Anothony I think has one or two grammy's. He does not have alot of grammys.

Jill Scott should have been nominated for that song and she also should have been nominated for Best R&B duet/ collab with So Gone ft. Paul Wall instead they nominated Beyonces Party ft. J Cole. So Gone did very well on R&B stations. I guess I am understanding the POP categories whether the music is good or not they will nominate who ever is popular but for the categories such as R&B, Rock, Country etc it just seems their nominating pop acts in those categories and its not fair for those genre based artists. It would be different if those songs were exactly songs that fit the genre they are being nominated in.

I dont think whether a song is mainstream or not should be a indicator of what they should be nominated for but I understand that is the reason, I just dont agree with it.

And your right there are alot of great artists that dont have grammys that deserve and your brought up a interesting point about Madonna and how some artists get awards after there peak.

Not directed toward you prettyman

But I think anybody who calls themselves a music historian or loves music should be open minded to the obvious lack of overall quality of popular music TODAY. I just think its absurd to imply Stevie Wonders Song in the Key of Life album is on the same level as Chris Brown FAME album because that is what I interpret when people make the arguement that music is still the same as it was years ago when obvious its not. I know popular music was awarded back in the day but the pop music was better in terms of artistic quality (overall) than the pop music that is out now.

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Proud for Frank.

The nominees are on point for once.

I have to admit, I've grown quite fond of that song "Some Nights" by Fun. "We Are Young" is also a good tune.

I usually hate pop music, whether it's from 1985 or 2010.

I'm becoming soft!

Terrib3Towel said:

I have to admit, I've grown quite fond of that song "Some Nights" by Fun. "We Are Young" is also a good tune.

I usually hate pop music, whether it's from 1985 or 2010.

I'm becoming soft!

Nah you're just opening up.

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

Deserved what?

To be nominated for a Grammy.

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...raun.jhtml

Here's part of the article from MTV...

Bieber dropped Believe back in June, and neither the album nor any of its singles received a nod from the Recording Academy. Braun made it clear that he was pleased that Carly Rae Jepsen and her track "Call Me Maybe" got two nods. Fellow Schoolboy Records acts, the Wanted and Psy, also didn't receive any nominations, but Braun focused his frustration on Bieber.

He wrote, "first...congrats to @carlyraejepsen . thought u deserved a best new artist nom, but proud Call Me Maybe got u 2 noms. so proud of u. second....this time there wont be any wise words, no excuses, I just plain DISAGREE. The kid deserved it. Grammy board u blew it on this one. the hardest thing to do is transition, keep the train moving. the kid delivered. Huge succesful album, sold out tour, and won people over... ...this time he deserved to be recognized and I dont really have any kind nice positive things to say about a decision i dont agree with."

I'm not a music snob like others and I like the biebs lol. BUT bieber and his team are fools for thinking that he was going to get nominated for that Justin Timberlake knockoff album

Timmy84 said:

Terrib3Towel said:

I have to admit, I've grown quite fond of that song "Some Nights" by Fun. "We Are Young" is also a good tune.

I usually hate pop music, whether it's from 1985 or 2010.

I'm becoming soft!

Nah you're just opening up.

It's good to be open minded. Less Stress

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah you're just opening up.

It's good to be open minded. Less Stress

I swear folks got gray hairs being mad.

Terrib3Towel said:

I have to admit, I've grown quite fond of that song "Some Nights" by Fun. "We Are Young" is also a good tune.

I usually hate pop music, whether it's from 1985 or 2010.

I'm becoming soft!

I suppose so.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

It's good to be open minded. Less Stress

I swear folks got gray hairs being mad.

Who's stressed?

FUN deserves to win AOTY. i hope they do win it. of monsters and mens album should have been included in the list too

Stymie said:

Timmy84 said:

I swear folks got gray hairs being mad.

Who's stressed?

Senior citizen.org

babybugz said:

Stymie said:

Who's stressed?

Senior citizen.org

Gunsnhalen said:

Looking through grammy awards... i can say a few other thing's

R. Kelly no matter when or where.. will ALWAYS get an R&B album of the year nomination

Paul Mccartney no matter how boring of a solo album he releases will get a nod for album of the year...

Beyonce will somehow be nominated even if she doesn't have an album out

And in the metal category... They nominate live versions of classic songs that came out 14 years ago

Really? Do you really think the Grammy people are going to go out of their way to nominate metal acts like Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, or Deicide? Those bands are too scary for even mainstream metalheads to get into, let alone a bunch of old fogeys.

babybugz said:

Stymie said:

Who's stressed?

Senior citizen.org

Well, I'm over forty and think a lot of new music sucks however, I am at least willing to give it a chance before I make a decision about it. Some of us old folks are openminded.

Stymie said:

Timmy84 said:

I swear folks got gray hairs being mad.

Who's stressed?

You are stressed because you HAVE to like Bieber, Katy Perry and company bcause they say so

Seriously, If somebody likes Beiber well thats YOU just because some people dont doesnt mean their not open minded or stressed.....watever that means (Did you ever stopped to think maybe they listen to him or some other pop tart and than from that concluded they just are not into that music?). I think a person calling something as petty as that stress must be stress themselves. Its not that serious like some here are making

You agree speak it!

You disagree speak it! (although alot dont because of petty shit like this )

The End.

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Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Senior citizen.org

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Actually the first black artist to win the Album of the Year was Billy Preston on a technicality because he was one of the performers on the Concert for Bangladesh album. I read somewhere that whoever sung on a record got that Grammy (The Bodyguard and Santana's Supernatural were the only exceptions to that rule).

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Oh yeah... it's weird that a live album won album of the year that time

It was like when Eric Clapton UNPLUGGED won the award, to me if an album contains old songs its not a new record, i dont care what arrangement is being done, an old KNOWN song is and old known song. Some insiders have said that the Grammys were trying to send a message this year, which may be true but they tried this about a decade ago with going for the more "critically" acclaimed stuff and that didnt last and they went after ratings and good as bad as the American Music Awards some years. Though its a major step forward, a MAJOR miss this year was Norah Jones for anything, clearly if not in for album of year then it should have been Pop album or something in the female categories which were not that good this year. And they cant say the album didnt sell or didnt get praise, this was probably the most praise she has gotten since her first record.

Apologies to all fun. fans but their Album of The Year nomination should've gone to Fiona Apple, Norah Jones or at least Lionel Ritchie, making for a flawless catagory.

Bieber's manager bellyaching about a shut out just makes his loss to Esperanza Spalding just that more sweeter.

Stymie said:

I just listened to Thinking About You. WTF?

Oh I'm sorry: Thinkin' Bout You.

Don't be sorry. I feel the same way. LOL

I first heard that song on one of the Misadventures of An Awkward Black Girl videos last year and every other comment was asking who sung that song. I was shocked because the song is absolutely horrible.

PurpleCharm said:

Stymie said:

I just listened to Thinking About You. WTF?

Oh I'm sorry: Thinkin' Bout You.

Don't be sorry. I feel the same way. LOL

I first heard that song on one of the Misadventures of An Awkward Black Girl videos last year and every other comment was asking who sung that song. I was shocked because the song is absolutely horrible.

CynicKill said:

Apologies to all fun. fans but their Album of The Year nomination should've gone to Fiona Apple, Norah Jones or at least Lionel Ritchie, making for a flawless catagory.

Bieber's manager bellyaching about a shut out just makes his loss to Esperanza Spalding just that more sweeter.

I was a little surprised that Lionel Richie Country remake album didn't get noticed.

nah. some very deserved nominees (Mumford & Sons, Muse, Bruce Springsteen, The Black Keys... etc) but i don't understand how Call Me Maybe or Rihanna, etc could be nomined for a grammy. and even more than 1... just...

thank god Bieber ain't nominated... I don't like fun. so don't understand why they got nominated so many times.

also disappointed at the fact that Madonna and Lana Del Rey ain't nominated.

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Musicslave said:

Braun focused his frustration on Bieber.

He wrote, "first...congrats to @carlyraejepsen . thought u deserved a best new artist nom, but proud Call Me Maybe got u 2 noms. so proud of u. second....this time there wont be any wise words, no excuses, I just plain DISAGREE. The kid deserved it. Grammy board u blew it on this one. the hardest thing to do is transition, keep the train moving. the kid delivered. Huge succesful album, sold out tour, and won people over... ...this time he deserved to be recognized and I dont really have any kind nice positive things to say about a decision i dont agree with."

OK, first of all, how old is Bieber's manager? Dude writes like he's 15. Also, how's he going to ONLY congratulate Carly? Like she's the best of the nominees?

Finally, "the kid?" Seriously? Somebody tweet this dude and tell him that Prince wasn't nominated because he didn't have an album out this year.

xLiberiangirl said:

nah. some very deserved nominees (Mumford & Sons, Muse, Bruce Springsteen, The Black Keys... etc) but i don't understand how Call Me Maybe or Rihanna, etc could be nomined for a grammy. and even more than 1... just...

thank god Bieber ain't nominated... I don't like fun. so don't understand why they got nominated so many times.

also disappointed at the fact that Madonna and Lana Del Rey ain't nominated.

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The people running the grammy's ain't falling for her games. She's just as bad as all the other no talents, just with a string background