Thoughts?

I will say from 1987 with Keith Sweat/Teddy Riley Make it Last 4ever until about 1992 so about 5 good solid years.

I exactly really miss New Jack Swing. I think it could have been enhanced more into maybe a new sub genre to Funk. There are a variety of different elements that could be mixed with it.

I would say 1985 till 1994.

It lasted for almost a decade. Teddy Riley who was the master mind behind it came out with his first album in 85 and produced for alot of artists during that time and thats when the genre became popular.

mjscarousal said:

I exactly really miss New Jack Swing. I think it could have been enhanced more into maybe a new sub genre to Funk. There are a variety of different elements that could be mixed with it.

I would say 1985 till 1994.

It lasted for almost a decade. Teddy Riley who was the master mind behind it came out with his first album in 85 and produced for alot of artists during that time and thats when the genre became popular.

Yes it's a shame it went away. Although I think it had a big influence on 2step

(which also went away )

1985-that early? Who would you say was the first new jack artist?

88-93 peak years

94-96 decadence

97-04 last traces to be found...

new artists? you mean veterans still doing their thing? or newer artists?

in a way, late-90s/early-00s mainstream pop owed A LOT to new jack, the 1998 breakthrough album of the Backstreet Boys was basically a white-bread New Jack album, Britney Spears has a lot of semi-new jack songs, she even covered My Prerogative, dammit

I'd say that New Jack utterly disappeared after 2004...

scriptgirl said:

1985-that early? Who would you say was the first new jack artist?

Teddy Riley was working with artists and even came out with an album around that time. It was way more popular before 87/88

scriptgirl said:

1985-that early? Who would you say was the first new jack artist?

TBH The trio of Janet, Terry, and Jimmy. Nasty was one of Teddy's biggest influences.

aardvark15 said:

scriptgirl said:

1985-that early? Who would you say was the first new jack artist?

TBH The trio of Janet, Terry, and Jimmy. Nasty was one of Teddy's biggest influences.

Alot of Janet fans insist this and it isnt true.. Control came out in 1986 and Teddys first album came out before that and was producing popular artists on the radio.

Jimmy and Terry were inspired by Teddy and the popular sound that was emerging that year and the following when they made Control along with RN.

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I think it lasted from 1987 to 1993,or somewhere around there.

1985 is waaaay too early.

In my opinion, this was the touchdown:-

The music before that might if influenced it, but Keith's album and the single "I want her" was the first proper swing tune. Purist say only the Teddy/Gene Griffin stuff is the only pure cut newjack so to speak, and they have a point. But Bobby Brown was the flagship artist that made it truly crossover into pop, then you had all the LA Reid/Babyface "New Jack Pop" etc...right into 1991.

Jam/Lewis didn't do much newjack. I wouldn't call anything off "Rhythm nation" bar "Alright" New Jack. They did some, but not much.

Phased out by 1993 and morphed into hiphop soul/midtempo jeep music or whatever thanks to Mary J Blige, Jodeci's second album, Blackstreet etc....

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I think J & L and Teddy Riley were influenced by Prince and the Minneapolis soundmore than by each other tbh.

I looked up Troop's first album because that was def. Teddy and New Jack but what wa interesting was the release date...June 7th, 1987. I wore that cassette out in high school...mamacita, still holds up well in my mind...great dance songs.

JoeTyler said:

88-93 peak years

94-96 decadence

97-04 last traces to be found...

new artists? you mean veterans still doing their thing? or newer artists?

in a way, late-90s/early-00s mainstream pop owed A LOT to new jack, the 1998 breakthrough album of the Backstreet Boys was basically a white-bread New Jack album, Britney Spears has a lot of semi-new jack songs, she even covered My Prerogative, dammit

I'd say that New Jack utterly disappeared after 2004...

I can see an influence here and there, but Max Martin and his own Swedish mafia seem more rock influenced in song structure then newjack/rnb to me personally.

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wishuhvn said:

I looked up Troop's first album because that was def. Teddy and New Jack but what wa interesting was the release date...June 7th, 1987. I wore that cassette out in high school...mamacita, still holds up well in my mind...great dance songs.

Teddy didn't do "Marmacita", that was Gerard Levert and his crew. Your 1 year off on the release date too. Thats why that track sounds like Levert's own "Casanova" LOL. You just know Atlantic asked them to make them a track like "Casanova" for Troop LOL. Both are great songs mind.

Damn I love the NJS era Yep-yep!

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scriptgirl said:

Thoughts?

New Jack Swing lasted from 1987-93. When Teddy Riley of Guy decided to slow down the tempo a bit for Blackstreet, the NJS era was over.

New Jack really took of in 87, but before then you vould here it being created by groups like Timex Social Club, Full Force, Kashif, Ready for the World and anything from the Minny sound.

scorp84 said:

J&L didnt do much NJS? What? Almost everything they produced during and after "Rhythm Nation" was NJS until around 94. But to answer the question, with Teddy, Keith got the ball rollin, Bobby introduced the world outside r&b and hip hop to it, MJ took it to the stratosphere, and Blackstreet was the nail in the coffin imo [Edited 11/15/12 21:11pm]

I know Dangerous has been called the best selling New Jack Swing album, but it sold for being New Jackson Swing....the new MJ album known for hits like black or white and wybt, and for the other hits as well having elements of mj's early sound and new jack swing, it sold for MJ's brand, not for New Jack swing although it was done really well and is timeless IMO than most new jack tracks.

I love that Nasty Cool Summer mix of Janet's like the next person here, but she and jimmy & terry did not create jack swing at all. A lot of Janet fans that say this are not too aware of music before and around the time of control

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alphastreet said:

scorp84 said:

J&L didnt do much NJS? What? Almost everything they produced during and after "Rhythm Nation" was NJS until around 94. But to answer the question, with Teddy, Keith got the ball rollin, Bobby introduced the world outside r&b and hip hop to it, MJ took it to the stratosphere, and Blackstreet was the nail in the coffin imo [Edited 11/15/12 21:11pm]

I know Dangerous has been called the best selling New Jack Swing album, but it sold for being New Jackson Swing....the new MJ album known for hits like black or white and wybt, and for the other hits as well having elements of mj's early sound and new jack swing, it sold for MJ's brand, not for New Jack swing although it was done really well and is timeless IMO than most new jack tracks.

Yep, I definitly agree with this. To be honest, I wouldnt even call Dangerous a New Jack Swing album although it definitly is some elements of it on the album Remember The Time obviously being most recognizable. However, I would say Dangerous is more diverse than just New Jack Swing.

Are you guys sure it was 87/88 New Jack swing took off?

Because Teddy Riley began his career as early as 84 and artists exactly began doing the genre in 1985 and I can hear it in alot of the productions Riley did. Are you guys just saying it began to be heavily popular in the late 80s? Because artist was doing the genre before then

mjscarousal said:

Good riddance to new jack swing.It started blowing up in 1987.I hated it.

iaminparties said:

Good riddance to new jack swing.It started blowing up in 1987.I hated it.

at least tell me that you also hated the Timba-Lake sound and the current shit-hop/shit-dance sound

scriptgirl said:

Thoughts?

Started in 1985 with Full Force and lost it's popularity at the start of 1993. BLACKStreet's orginal version of "Baby Be Mine" form the CB4 soundtrack was the last of the old-school NJS cuts that had any impact.

Adisa said:

scriptgirl said:

Thoughts?

Started in 1985 with Full Force and lost it's popularity at the start of 1993. BLACKStreet's orginal version of "Baby Be Mine" form the CB4 soundtrack was the last of the old-school NJS cuts that had any impact.

Let me add this. There wasn’t a successful NJS producer on the face of the planet that wasn’t inspired by Prince (and Stevie). Full Force, Teddy, Al B. Sure and Kyle West, La Reid and Babyface, DeVante, Jam and Lewis, Dallas Austin,…all influenced by Prince (and Stevie, lol). So naturally NJS would have elements of the Minnie sound all over it. Janet’s “Control” lp comes to mind instantly: Minnie sound or NJS? BOTH!

Adisa said:

Adisa said:

Started in 1985 with Full Force and lost it's popularity at the start of 1993. BLACKStreet's orginal version of "Baby Be Mine" form the CB4 soundtrack was the last of the old-school NJS cuts that had any impact.

Let me add this. There wasn’t a successful NJS producer on the face of the planet that wasn’t inspired by Prince (and Stevie). Full Force, Teddy, Al B. Sure and Kyle West, La Reid and Babyface, DeVante, Jam and Lewis, Dallas Austin,…all influenced by Prince (and Stevie, lol). So naturally NJS would have elements of the Minnie sound all over it. Janet’s “Control” lp comes to mind instantly: Minnie sound or NJS? BOTH!

Yea I agree, I think it started earlier to

Full Force did NJS? Say what?