scriptgirl said:

Full Force did NJS? Say what?

They fused alot of R&B and singing in their music

scorp84 said:

Dangerous was called a NJS album because Riley was the most notable producer on the album with the most tracks. Its not a slight of MJs contributions as a songwriter and producer. All of those tracks were inspired by MJs favorite teddy riley productions up to that point. J&L were very much a part of the movement, from beginning to end.From New Edition, Johnny Gills 2nd album, Ralph Tresvant, Sounds of Blackness, etc.

Right. "Dangerous" has been inaccurately called NJS because of Teddy, but it's definitely a pop album.

I was never a huge fan of New Jack Swing.It thought of it as R&B music merging with hip-hop beats.It was the end of 'real' R&B music.

But,I gotta admit,there a few NJS songs that I liked."Right And Hype" by Abstrac is a good one

SoulAlive said:

I was never a huge fan of New Jack Swing.It thought of it as R&B music merging with hip-hop beats.It was the end of 'real' R&B music.

To sum it up, yes.

MCA/Uptown/Motown was the label to be on at the time if that was the direction you wanted to go musically. All the heavy hitters were there.

thesexofit said:

1985 is waaaay too early.

In my opinion, this was the touchdown:-

The music before that might if influenced it, but Keith's album and the single "I want her" was the first proper swing tune. Purist say only the Teddy/Gene Griffin stuff is the only pure cut newjack so to speak, and they have a point. But Bobby Brown was the flagship artist that made it truly crossover into pop, then you had all the LA Reid/Babyface "New Jack Pop" etc...right into 1991.

Jam/Lewis didn't do much newjack. I wouldn't call anything off "Rhythm nation" bar "Alright" New Jack. They did some, but not much.

Phased out by 1993 and morphed into hiphop soul/midtempo jeep music or whatever thanks to Mary J Blige, Jodeci's second album, Blackstreet etc....

Jam and Lewis produced most if not all of New Editon's N.E. Heartbreak album which was very new jack peep the NE Heartbreak remix also a side note it was Jam and Lewis that suggested Bell Bivins Devoe start their own group which of course is B.B.D which was very New Jack sounding.

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Jam and Lewis did produce the whole

Honestly 87 to 93 with the rise of Teddy Riley, Guy, Keith Sweat, Babyface, Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis, and many other NJS pioneers. It tapered off once Hip Hop/Rap became mainstream(94 - current), then Puff came in with the shiny suite era(95 - 97) and much Versace Swagger then R+B and Rap were fused into one genre. Sadly enough great NJS artists who ruled the late 80s and early 90s were relagated to either "singing the hook" or having a rapper spit "16 bars" to make it "trendy".

Production styles also changed during the mid-90s, and the swing beat was quite literally lost in the NJS signature sound and traded for samples phase of the rap game.

There aren't any more new NJS artists as the genre has been irrelevant for 20 years, but many of the artists still tour and collaborate with new and upcoming talent.

Was it really a "genre" of its own though? I thought it was really just a production style that many R&B artists favoured at the time.

Can't say I feel nostalgic over it. Most of the music was just really bland.

What SUCKED is when U had Legends like Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle, etc. doin' "New Jack Swing" style songs. THAT hurt My heart!!!!!!

http://soundcloud.com/10t...wjackswing

http://vimeo.com/47197738

novabrkr said:

Was it really a "genre" of its own though? I thought it was really just a production style that many R&B artists favoured at the time.

Can't say I feel nostalgic over it. Most of the music was just really bland.

It was really just a production style really. It's not quite that simple though as not all rnb artists at that time had newjack songs. I wouldn't catagorize hardly any of Prince's output at that time as New Jack for example. New Jack inspired would be more accurate. Anyway, it crossed over and got more commercial, as did new wave, grunge etc..and people got sick of it and moved on LOL.

what is the shiny suite era?

scriptgirl said:

what is the shiny suite era?

For me, anything after 1993 was not newjack. The production style changed. Mary J Blige's "real love" was the obvious turning point into "hiphop soul" or whatever. Another obvious example would be R kelly. His first album with Public Announcment was new jack. His second album I would just label rnb or "jeep beats" or whatever you want to call it. Rnb after newjack had no defining name really. The treble was turned right down, the tempo was slowed down to more midtempo, and everything started to sound like the dolby was left on (or recorded underwater).

Neo Soul came in around that time too...

^ speaking of 1993, would any of you consider the janet. album new jack swing? I think it had elements of it in songs like You Want This and New Agenda, but that's it.

alphastreet said:

^ speaking of 1993, would any of you consider the janet. album new jack swing? I think it had elements of it in songs like You Want This and New Agenda, but that's it.

Yeah, those 2 cuts sound "new jack inspired". Maybe "If" aswell. Alot of rnb then was influeced by newjack with the drum loops, and rapper breakdown etc..., but some artists put their own little spin on it.

Some then established artists made some clearly newjack sounding cuts too. Temptations "The Jones'", Kashif "personality", Jermaine Jackson "you said, you said", even Prince with the song "New power generation".

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i wouldn't consider "If" NJS

scriptgirl said:

i wouldn't consider "If" NJS

No probably not come to think of it. Iam sure you could remix it into newjack though. I don't think diehard fans of newjack (and there are some) would even consider the LA Reid and Babyface stuff newjack as its alot more "poppy", but the influence was there. It was just their own version of it. I like the "poppy" and "crossover" newjack, but thats when it got criticized for being formulaic and generic, which as I said, other genres or sub-genres this happens to aswell.