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Thread started 10/24/12 7:51am

robertlove

1985 vs 2010: US no 1's...and they wonder why sales are bad these days

1985....we got George Michael, Phil Collins, Madonna, Tears for fears, Stevie Wonder, Simple Minds, duran duran and Whitney Houston...all classics that people today still know.

2010: Keisha ( lol ), Rihanna, katy Perry, Eminem (I don't even remeber his songs on this list)...and damn, OMG by Usher.

Can't imagine people in 20 years will say"Remember Rude Boy? What an al time classic!"

December 16 1984 – January 26 1985 Madonna - Like a Virgin 6
January 27 – February 9 1985 Foreigner - I Want to Know What Love Is 2
February 10 – March 2 1985 Wham! - Careless Whisper 3
March 3 – 23 1985 REO Speedwagon - Can't Fight This Feeling 3
March 24 – April 6 1985 Phil Collins - One More Night 2
April 7 – May 4 1985 USA for Africa - We Are the World 4
May 5 – 11 1985 Madonna - Crazy for You 1
May 12 – 18 1985 Simple Minds - Don't You (Forget About Me) 1
May 19 – June 1 1985 Wham! - Everything She Wants 2
June 2 – 15 1985 Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World 2
June 16 – 29 1985 Bryan Adams - Heaven 2
June 30 – July 6 1985 Phil Collins - Sussudio 1
July 7 – 20 1985 Duran Duran - A View to a Kill 2
July 21 – 27 1985 Paul Young - Everytime You Go Away 1
July 28 – August 17 1985 Tears for Fears - Shout 3
August 18 – 31 1985 Huey Lewis and The News - The Power of Love 2
September 1 – 14 1985 John Parr - St. Elmo's Fire (Man in Motion) 2
September 15 – October 5 1985 Dire Straits - Money for Nothing 3
October 6 – 12 1985 Ready For The World - Oh Sheila 1
October 13 – 19 1985 a-ha - Take on Me 1
October 20 – 26 1985 Whitney Houston - Saving All My Love for You 1
October 27 – November 2 1985 Stevie Wonder - Part-Time Lover 1
November 3 – 9 1985 Jan Hammer - Miami Vice Theme 1
November 10 – 23 1985 Starship - We Built This City 2
November 24 – 30 1985 Phil Collins and Marilyn Martin - Separate Lives 1
December 1 – 14 1985 Mr. Mister - Broken Wings 2
December 15 1985 – January 11 1986 Lionel Richie - Say You, Say Me

December 27 2009 – February 27 2010

Ke$ha - TiK ToK

February 28 – March 13 2010 Black Eyed Peas - Imma Be 2
March 14 – 20 2010 Taio Cruz feat. Ludacris - Break Your Heart 1
March 21 – April 24 2010 Rihanna - Rude Boy 5
April 25 – May 8 2010 B.o.B feat. Bruno Mars - Nothin' On You 2
May 9 – 15 2010 Usher feat. will.i.am - OMG 4 (1)
May 16 – 22 2010 Eminem - Not Afraid 1
May 23 – June 12 2010 Usher feat. will.i.am - OMG 4 (3)
June 13 – July 24 2010 Katy Perry feat. Snoop Dogg - California Gurls 6
July 25 – September 11 2010 Eminem feat. Rihanna - Love the Way You Lie 7
September 12 – 25 2010 Katy Perry - Teenage Dream 2
September 26 – October 23 2010 Bruno Mars - Just The Way You Are 4
October 24 – November 6 2010 Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs and Dev - Like A G6 3 (2)
November 7 – 13 2010 Ke$ha - We R Who We R 1
November 14 – 20 2010 Rihanna feat. Drake - What's My Name? 1
November 21 – 27 2010 Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs and Dev - Like A G6 3 (1)
November 28 – December 4 2010 Rihanna - Only Girl (In The World) 1
December 5 – 11 2010 Pink - Raise Your Glass 1
December 12 2010 – January 1 2011 Katy Perry - Firework 4 (3)

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Reply #1 posted 10/24/12 8:03am

MickyDolenz

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we got George Michael, Phil Collins, Madonna, Tears for fears, Stevie Wonder, Simple Minds, duran duran and Whitney Houston...all classics that people today still know

Probably because those songs are played all the time on oldies station, in stores, TV, commercials, Grand Theft Auto, etc. How many people today know #1's from 1928, 1942, or 1953? Those songs are not played everywhere, and so they're not as well known.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #2 posted 10/24/12 8:11am

nd33

Good grief.

A decent sized bunch of classics in the '85 collection.

I doubt ANY of the 2010 songs will stand the test of time 25 years from now...

Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss...
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Reply #3 posted 10/24/12 8:18am

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MickyDolenz said:

we got George Michael, Phil Collins, Madonna, Tears for fears, Stevie Wonder, Simple Minds, duran duran and Whitney Houston...all classics that people today still know

Probably because those songs are played all the time on oldies station, in stores, TV, commercials, Grand Theft Auto, etc. How many people today know #1's from 1928, 1942, or 1953? Those songs are not played everywhere, and so they're not as well known.

So you think the 2010 songs are still played in 2030?

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Reply #4 posted 10/24/12 8:21am

robertlove

nd33 said:

Good grief.

A decent sized bunch of classics in the '85 collection.

I doubt ANY of the 2010 songs will stand the test of time 25 years from now...

I just watched 1986 too on youtube....Prince, Patti Labelle, Peter Gabriel, Janet Jackon, Robert Palmer...good times cool

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Reply #5 posted 10/24/12 8:54am

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robertlove said:

MickyDolenz said:

Probably because those songs are played all the time on oldies station, in stores, TV, commercials, Grand Theft Auto, etc. How many people today know #1's from 1928, 1942, or 1953? Those songs are not played everywhere, and so they're not as well known.

So you think the 2010 songs are still played in 2030?

Don't know. I've never heard any of those songs before, but songs are remembered because they're constantly played, marketed, or the acts are still talked about in the media like Elvis Presley & The Beatles. There's a lot of hits in the past (including the 1980s) that are forgotten and don't get played today. Oldies and classic rock stations only play certain songs over and over, but don't play other songs/acts at all. The local R&B oldies station don't play many uptempo songs, mostly Luther Vandross/Peabo Bryson/Maze ballads and midtempo songs. If you go by what they play, The Isley Brothers are only a slow jam group and nothing else. lol

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #6 posted 10/24/12 8:57am

SoulAlive

let's just be honest: music from the past is much better than today's music lol There's just no way around it.I have a 17-year old nephew who agrees with me! He doesn't even listen to the crappy music on the radio today.Instead,he borrows all of my CDs,lol.He likes the music that I grew up on.

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SoulAlive said:

let's just be honest: music from the past is much better than today's music lol There's just no way around it. I have a 17-year old nephew who agrees with me! He doesn't even listen to the crappy music on the radio today. Instead,he borrows all of my CDs,lol. He likes the music that I grew up on.

Good/bad is an opinion of the listener. I went to high school with some metalheads and to them, the music on the radio and any music that wasn't metal or didn't have fast guitar solos wasn't "real music". Then there were the goth kids who didn't like "sellout" commercial Top 40 music, but underground groups that sold 500 copies of their albums. The rap listeners who didn't like R&B, and vice versa.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #8 posted 10/24/12 10:24am

robertlove

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

let's just be honest: music from the past is much better than today's music lol There's just no way around it. I have a 17-year old nephew who agrees with me! He doesn't even listen to the crappy music on the radio today. Instead,he borrows all of my CDs,lol. He likes the music that I grew up on.

Good/bad is an opinion of the listener. I went to high school with some metalheads and to them, the music on the radio and any music that wasn't metal or didn't have fast guitar solos wasn't "real music". Then there were the goth kids who didn't like "sellout" commercial Top 40 music, but underground groups that sold 500 copies of their albums. The rap listeners who didn't like R&B, and vice versa.

oh you're taking all the fun away bitchfight

I still say Careless Wisper is a better song than Tik Tok lol

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What I see that is vastly different from each chart is that with the modern one, each group or artist has a guest singer with them, no one is on their own. Mickey D makes a valid point that we aren't hearing music now that's older than fifty years on the radio unless its a special feature but this has always been the case when a new generation reaches maturity, they don't want to listen to what their parents listend to. Nat King Cole is a legend and an influence for Ray Charles but what would have happened if they were in competition for air time, would Cole have adapted to the boogie woogie and rock style of the late fifties? I believe it's true that many of today's songs may not reach classic status in 2042 but they will exsist and mean something to kids who are ten years old now like Madonna means something to those who are forty now, you live with the good and bad.
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Reply #10 posted 10/24/12 10:43am

MickyDolenz

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robertlove said:

oh you're taking all the fun away bitchfight

I still say Careless Wisper is a better song than Tik Tok lol

These threads must be a lot of fun since one gets started all the time. razz lol

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #11 posted 10/24/12 10:50am

MickyDolenz

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UncleGrandpa said:

What I see that is vastly different from each chart is that with the modern one, each group or artist has a guest singer with them, no one is on their own. Mickey D makes a valid point that we aren't hearing music now that's older than fifty years on the radio unless its a special feature but this has always been the case when a new generation reaches maturity, they don't want to listen to what their parents listend to. Nat King Cole is a legend and an influence for Ray Charles but what would have happened if they were in competition for air time, would Cole have adapted to the boogie woogie and rock style of the late fifties? I believe it's true that many of today's songs may not reach classic status in 2042 but they will exsist and mean something to kids who are ten years old now like Madonna means something to those who are forty now, you live with the good and bad.

But what does "classic" mean though? That a song is special because it was a big hit and a lot of people heard it? A lot of the songs I heard when I was little weren't hits at all, especially the blues tunes. They were just records my folks had.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #12 posted 10/24/12 1:33pm

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Reply #13 posted 10/24/12 1:57pm

kitbradley

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robertlove said:

Ke$ha - TiK ToK

February 28 – March 13 2010 Black Eyed Peas - Imma Be 2
March 14 – 20 2010 Taio Cruz feat. Ludacris - Break Your Heart 1
March 21 – April 24 2010 Rihanna - Rude Boy 5
April 25 – May 8 2010 B.o.B feat. Bruno Mars - Nothin' On You 2
May 9 – 15 2010 Usher feat. will.i.am - OMG 4 (1)
May 16 – 22 2010 Eminem - Not Afraid 1
May 23 – June 12 2010 Usher feat. will.i.am - OMG 4 (3)
June 13 – July 24 2010 Katy Perry feat. Snoop Dogg - California Gurls 6
July 25 – September 11 2010 Eminem feat. Rihanna - Love the Way You Lie 7
September 12 – 25 2010 Katy Perry - Teenage Dream 2
September 26 – October 23 2010 Bruno Mars - Just The Way You Are 4
October 24 – November 6 2010 Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs and Dev - Like A G6 3 (2)
November 7 – 13 2010 Ke$ha - We R Who We R 1
November 14 – 20 2010 Rihanna feat. Drake - What's My Name? 1
November 21 – 27 2010 Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs and Dev - Like A G6 3 (1)
November 28 – December 4 2010 Rihanna - Only Girl (In The World) 1
December 5 – 11 2010 Pink - Raise Your Glass 1
December 12 2010 – January 1 2011 Katy Perry - Firework 4 (3)

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I dont know any of these songs.

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Reply #14 posted 10/24/12 1:57pm

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MickyDolenz said:

we got George Michael, Phil Collins, Madonna, Tears for fears, Stevie Wonder, Simple Minds, duran duran and Whitney Houston...all classics that people today still know

Probably because those songs are played all the time on oldies station, in stores, TV, commercials, Grand Theft Auto, etc. How many people today know #1's from 1928, 1942, or 1953? Those songs are not played everywhere, and so they're not as well known.

Those earlier eras were played on oldies stations during the 1970s and 1980s. There was also a ton of TV variety shows during the 1970s that featured music from those earlier eras. However, 30 and 40 years have passed since then and the majority of people that were into that type of music are all either dead now or so old that they can't even remember what happened yesterday, let alone what happened 70 years ago.

As for stations like those existing nowadays, the rock and roll era of the 1950s came in and most of that old fuddy duddy slow classical type music died out more and more each decade until the 1990s when people became dull again. If you're wanting oldies stations from those eras to make a comeback, stick around and they'll come back in a few decades when this younger generation gets older. It's too slow and dull for my generation but it's perfect for the younger generation since their stuff is just as slow and dull. When they get older, they'll probably be more accepting of it because it's closer to the tempo of their music than it is to ours.

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Reply #15 posted 10/24/12 2:03pm

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MickyDolenz said:

robertlove said:

So you think the 2010 songs are still played in 2030?

Don't know. I've never heard any of those songs before, but songs are remembered because they're constantly played, marketed, or the acts are still talked about in the media like Elvis Presley & The Beatles. There's a lot of hits in the past (including the 1980s) that are forgotten and don't get played today. Oldies and classic rock stations only play certain songs over and over, but don't play other songs/acts at all. The local R&B oldies station don't play many uptempo songs, mostly Luther Vandross/Peabo Bryson/Maze ballads and midtempo songs. If you go by what they play, The Isley Brothers are only a slow jam group and nothing else. lol

Well, you can thank a certain little miss goodie two shoes for that for opening the doors for R&B adult contemporary to take over. There was no such thing as those type of R&B stations before she made her influence and impact because there weren't enough R&B artists that made enough of those type of songs to fill an entire radio format since most artists were throwing down hard and funky.

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SoulAlive said:

let's just be honest: music from the past is much better than today's music lol There's just no way around it.I have a 17-year old nephew who agrees with me! He doesn't even listen to the crappy music on the radio today.Instead,he borrows all of my CDs,lol.He likes the music that I grew up on.

Hell, anybody that's got fucking ears knows that. A lot of people refuse to accept it though because they're always trying to ...."look on the bright side of things", "see the glass as half full instead of half empty", "be positive", "if you can't say something good, don't say anything at all".....Fuck that! If something is shit, I'm going to tell you it's shit with absolutely no shame when I tell it.

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Reply #17 posted 10/24/12 2:22pm

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i honestly only know a couple of those 2010 songs and its only 2012, i still play several of those 1985 songs

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Reply #18 posted 10/24/12 2:54pm

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To be honest, a great deal of the those 1985 songs suck just as much as the 2010 ones. The 2010 ones are more obnoxious just the 85's got some horrible light weight synth pop that doesnt even try to have a melody (and oh god the power ballads mad)

Ok, I actually count 6 that on the 85 list that are any good. Nothin wrong if you disagree though. But in my mind you guys remembering a good amount of these songs makes me think some people will look back fondly on the horrible stuff from today; its still unlikely since I know people that complain if you play a hit song thats 3 months old lol

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Reply #19 posted 10/24/12 6:46pm

Scorp

wow, showing this contrast is awesome

I remember ever song on that list from 1985 to this day

not because they are played on the "oldie" stations

but because they were "unforgetable"....

the absolute golden era of music occured from the 1970's up until 1985, highlighted when the USA for AFRICA effort where 47 of the greatest artists in music history sang together for WE ARE THE WORLD.....

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Reply #20 posted 10/24/12 6:53pm

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It seems UK acts did well with no.1's in 1985 too LOL

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Reply #21 posted 10/24/12 6:56pm

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It seems UK acts did well with no.1's in 1985 too LOL

loll...awesome points

the UK acts knew what they were doing.....

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Scorp said:

thesexofit said:

It seems UK acts did well with no.1's in 1985 too LOL

loll...awesome points

the UK acts knew what they were doing.....

Cant remember the last time an instrumental got to no 1 either? Seems impossible now.

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Reply #23 posted 10/24/12 7:56pm

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Scorp said:

loll...awesome points

the UK acts knew what they were doing.....

Cant remember the last time an instrumental got to no 1 either? Seems impossible now.

you're absolutely right....

I haven't seen an instrumental reach #1 in ages....

what I love about that period is the fact those artists were more authentic, the music carried more substance

I always thought it was going to be that way....it was no reason to expect anything less

things have gotten really bad and fast

and not the faults of the current generation...it's the system of things that led to this point

what was great during that time

great artists such as Phil Collins didn't have to act like he was streetwise to be embraced by the urban community

a group like Tears for Fears carried their own brand of soul w/out trying to be soulful.......

it was just awesome back then to be a teenager and fortunate to come up during this great period

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I think a better comparison is....look at the 1985 and about 90% of those artists in some way put out NEW music and TOUR and sell shows out. In 2030 what % of the 2010 list will say that? If lucky 5%

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vainandy said:

Well, you can thank a certain little miss goodie two shoes for that for opening the doors for R&B adult contemporary to take over. There was no such thing as those type of R&B stations before she made her influence and impact because there weren't enough R&B artists that made enough of those type of songs to fill an entire radio format since most artists were throwing down hard and funky.

The R&B stations where I live didn't only play AC after Whitney. There was also still some remaining funk/R&B bands (Midnight Star, Cameo, Ready For The World, Gap Band, Zapp), dance (Jody Watley, 5 Star, The Jets, New Edition, Janet Jackson), freestyle (Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Sweet Sensation), rap, & New Jack Swing. They even played some Top 40 acts like Falco, Duran Duran, & Samantha Fox. In the evenings on weekdays, a couple of the R&B stations had a countdown show for the songs that were most requested each day. There tended to be more rap/dance/New Jack songs on it than Anita Baker/Luther Vandross/Whitney Houston type songs. The AC songs were never a part of the "Rush It or Flush It" song voting either.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #26 posted 10/24/12 10:00pm

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Thanks i've been waiting for someone to make a comparison like this!, every one of those songs from 1985 is 100 times better than those 2010 songs, hate to say it but every year songs in the mainstream just get worse and worse

We're here, might as well get into it.
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Peeps, the stuff you say about today's music is the same stuff our parents said about "our" beloved Eighties music! I believe today's kids in 20 years time will listen with the same love to their own "soundtrack of youth" (these bloody 2010 tracks, which I hate like most of you here), just like generations before us.

Basically all you are saying is that you are growing old! smile
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funkaholic1972 said:

Peeps, the stuff you say about today's music is the same stuff our parents said about "our" beloved Eighties music! I believe today's kids in 20 years time will listen with the same love to their own "soundtrack of youth" (these bloody 2010 tracks, which I hate like most of you here), just like generations before us. Basically all you are saying is that you are growing old! smile

No, our grandparents, not parents but grandparents, said our music was too fast. We say the younger generation's music is too slow. We're still young. It's the younger generation that has the closest taste to senior citizens.

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MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Well, you can thank a certain little miss goodie two shoes for that for opening the doors for R&B adult contemporary to take over. There was no such thing as those type of R&B stations before she made her influence and impact because there weren't enough R&B artists that made enough of those type of songs to fill an entire radio format since most artists were throwing down hard and funky.

The R&B stations where I live didn't only play AC after Whitney. There was also still some remaining funk/R&B bands (Midnight Star, Cameo, Ready For The World, Gap Band, Zapp), dance (Jody Watley, 5 Star, The Jets, New Edition, Janet Jackson), freestyle (Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Sweet Sensation), rap, & New Jack Swing. They even played some Top 40 acts like Falco, Duran Duran, & Samantha Fox. In the evenings on weekdays, a couple of the R&B stations had a countdown show for the songs that were most requested each day. There tended to be more rap/dance/New Jack songs on it than Anita Baker/Luther Vandross/Whitney Houston type songs. The AC songs were never a part of the "Rush It or Flush It" song voting either.

The R&B stations in my area played all that too but they also played a TON of adult contemporary in the late 1980s, much moreso than they had ever played before. And apparently it was the same all over the country because when the 1990s arrived, what remained after everything else faded out....adult contemporary.

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