Replica said:

vainandy said:

The fact that it's classic is the problem. I'm all for genres changing and evolving but you don't' do away with an entire genre and replace it with something worse. If it's replaced with something better, that's fine, but never something worse.

Like disco for instance, it dies off and early 1980s funk replaces it. That's fine, it's very similar sounding music for a while then it evolves into synth funk which was also fine. Gradually changing over a period of time and evolving into a new sound but still with the same rhythm and danceablity just a gradual new sound. Then there's house which was underground which didn't sound as good as the previous music but it still sounded great because once again, same rhythm and danceablity. But for mainstream R&B to just change into bland slow to midtempo music and evolve more and more from that with no mainstream jams being made, that's not moving forward, that's going backwards to the days before the rock and roll and swing eras when everything was rhythmless and dull. You're supposed to evolve on the jams, not the weak stuff. Hell, it took thousands of years for the rock and roll era to come in and change and get away from the dull classical music tempoed stuff and now the fools want to bring dull back and keep it in style forever.

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Sounds to me like you think music sounds more innovative if the beat is faster. There's a bunch of fast genres out there, and the club euro dance pop crap that we hear too much of right now does have a pretty fast "disco" beat to it. Personally I think artists like Frank Ocean and The Weeknd that often are doing a bit more laid back style sounds way more fresh to me than the euro dance stuff that gets blended with rnb nowadays. Music inspired by the UK underground scene is to me what's taking music forward. Most of these acts don't get a hit single like Rihanna, but they are slowly dominating the industry.

I don't like euro disco at all. It sounds like trance which is what evolved from house music and eventually killed it. I like black funk disco and house (if folks are offended by that, well fuck 'em) but when genres like those are abandoned by black artists, they always lose all rhythm and funkiness. Hi NRG that took disco's place in the early 1980s was a weak replacement and trance which took house music's place in the late 1990s was also a weak replacement.

aardvark15 said:

vainandy said:

The only reason why they don't like classical music right now is because they're young and feel like they're supposed to be listening to current music and current music only.

Considering I'ma young-one, I think I can speak for them and say that this is a false statement. They hear classical music all the time and hate it.

And like I said before, it's rediculous for them to hate classical music because it's just as slow, dull, and boring as the music they listen to.

vainandy said:

Replica said:

Sounds to me like you think music sounds more innovative if the beat is faster. There's a bunch of fast genres out there, and the club euro dance pop crap that we hear too much of right now does have a pretty fast "disco" beat to it. Personally I think artists like Frank Ocean and The Weeknd that often are doing a bit more laid back style sounds way more fresh to me than the euro dance stuff that gets blended with rnb nowadays. Music inspired by the UK underground scene is to me what's taking music forward. Most of these acts don't get a hit single like Rihanna, but they are slowly dominating the industry.

I don't like euro disco at all. It sounds like trance which is what evolved from house music and eventually killed it. I like black funk disco and house (if folks are offended by that, well fuck 'em) but when genres like those are abandoned by black artists, they always lose all rhythm and funkiness. Hi NRG that took disco's place in the early 1980s was a weak replacement and trance which took house music's place in the late 1990s was also a weak replacement.

Doesn't change your point. With your previous post you tried to prove that music is more forward thinking if it has a fast beat. Doesn't make much sense to me. I also hate euro dance, but lets face it, it has tempo atleast. And to me it seemed like tempo is the only thing you look for in music. That is very much limiting your perspective.

Replica said:

vainandy said:

I don't like euro disco at all. It sounds like trance which is what evolved from house music and eventually killed it. I like black funk disco and house (if folks are offended by that, well fuck 'em) but when genres like those are abandoned by black artists, they always lose all rhythm and funkiness. Hi NRG that took disco's place in the early 1980s was a weak replacement and trance which took house music's place in the late 1990s was also a weak replacement.

Doesn't change your point. With your previous post you tried to prove that music is more forward thinking if it has a fast beat. Doesn't make much sense to me. I also hate euro dance, but lets face it, it has tempo atleast. And to me it seemed like tempo is the only thing you look for in music. That is very much limiting your perspective.

There's nothing hard to understand about it at all. That trance or euro dance as people are calling it nowadays, is mainly underground and some of it has spilled over into pop. But if you turn on an R&B station that plays current mainstream R&B, 90% of it is slow to midtempo and as dull as an opera. No, tempo is not the only thing I'm concerned with but when the world has gotten to the point that damn near everything in the mainstream is as slow and dull as ancient genres such as classical, yes, that is going backwards instead of forwards. People fought too hard during the rock and roll era of the 1950s to change things for the better for a bunch of dull asses to come along decades later and undo the change.

vainandy said:

Replica said:

Doesn't change your point. With your previous post you tried to prove that music is more forward thinking if it has a fast beat. Doesn't make much sense to me. I also hate euro dance, but lets face it, it has tempo atleast. And to me it seemed like tempo is the only thing you look for in music. That is very much limiting your perspective.

There's nothing hard to understand about it at all. That trance or euro dance as people are calling it nowadays, is mainly underground and some of it has spilled over into pop. But if you turn on an R&B station that plays current mainstream R&B, 90% of it is slow to midtempo and as dull as an opera. No, tempo is not the only thing I'm concerned with but when the world has gotten to the point that damn near everything in the mainstream is as slow and dull as ancient genres such as classical, yes, that is going backwards instead of forwards. People fought too hard during the rock and roll era of the 1950s to change things for the better for a bunch of dull asses to come along decades later and undo the change.

I have a soloution for you. Rip every song you think is too slow, then speed it up using time stretcher("shortener") or put it on a higher pitch, and voila! You've got an upbeat song. I'm so glad I don't share your opinion on what matters in music. Some of the most interesting stuff right now imo is slower. The Weeknd is slow, but it beats the hell out of rihanna and katy perry club pop. I admit that he can repeat himself a bit too much. Also Miguel is one of few bit interresting mainstream acts right now. He is doing slow, mid tempo, and a few bit faster joints. Fast mainstream music today is totally shit usualy, like Pitbull. Damn the fast music nowadays is imo the worst. If we couldn't make some mid tempo or slow songs, we couldn't make killer ballads and laid back music. Music is not just for dancing and fist pumping. And I'm SOOOO happy for that. Using speed as a logic for forward thinking would be as saying that painters should use more colors today than yesterday. You will run out of colors. It's the combination that make stuff forward thinking. Original and innovative ideas. Not just speeding up the songs.