Gunsnhalen said:

Also Jay-Z ''we'' had to wait.. like he was even known when nirvana was out

"We"? I thought it was all about YOU, Shawn.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Was he unconscious between 1991 and 1994? Hip-hop was on the rise when Nirvana was relevant.

Stop acting like you know everything, Shawn. Damn man, shut up...

i gotta go in

1991-92 was when Nirvana & Grunge got big same time...

The CHRONIC album came out

Kool G Rap

Gang Star

Ice Cube with It Was A Good Day, Check Yourself & Wicked

Boogie down Productions getting bigger

Enter The Wu-Tangw as about to come out

Shaba Ranks

Pete Rock

Mary J Blige

Snoop Dogg

Sit down Shawn

Well, maybe some of u don´t know it BUT...America isn´t the whole world!

I mean, Snoop and 2 PAC had some hits in Europe but grunge really took over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition was house music, no hiphop or R&B untill grunge went radio-friendly and died...then came the huge hits from Puffy, Jay-Z, Destiny´s Child, Missy and R&b/Rap took over.

In Europe!!

Paisley4u said:

Gunsnhalen said:

i gotta go in

1991-92 was when Nirvana & Grunge got big same time...

The CHRONIC album came out

Kool G Rap

Gang Star

Ice Cube with It Was A Good Day, Check Yourself & Wicked

Boogie down Productions getting bigger

Enter The Wu-Tangw as about to come out

Shaba Ranks

Pete Rock

Mary J Blige

Snoop Dogg

Sit down Shawn

Well, maybe some of u don´t know it BUT...America isn´t the whole world!

I mean, Snoop and 2 PAC had some hits in Europe but grunge really took over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition was house music, no hiphop or R&B untill grunge went radio-friendly and died...then came the huge hits from Puffy, Jay-Z, Destiny´s Child, Missy and R&b/Rap took over.

In Europe!!

No one said it was. And we were just talking about the US in 1991-1992. So in this instance, "the rest of the world" don't matter.

[Edited 10/12/12 12:39pm]

Paisley4u said:

Gunsnhalen said:

i gotta go in

1991-92 was when Nirvana & Grunge got big same time...

The CHRONIC album came out

Kool G Rap

Gang Star

Ice Cube with It Was A Good Day, Check Yourself & Wicked

Boogie down Productions getting bigger

Enter The Wu-Tangw as about to come out

Shaba Ranks

Pete Rock

Mary J Blige

Snoop Dogg

Sit down Shawn

Well, maybe some of u don´t know it BUT...America isn´t the whole world!

I mean, Snoop and 2 PAC had some hits in Europe but grunge really took over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition was house music, no hiphop or R&B untill grunge went radio-friendly and died...then came the huge hits from Puffy, Jay-Z, Destiny´s Child, Missy and R&b/Rap took over.

In Europe!!

Yes i hate to burst that little bubble boo boo

But we NEVER said said it was

We where simply stating the scene in the U.S at the time.

I feel like most of y'all didn't bother reading past the title or are just being deliberately obtuse for the sake of criticizing him (and no, I don't stan for the guy).

He never said that hip-hop wasn't relevant when Nirvana came about, he's saying that Nirvana became what hip-hop was supposed to be at the time, the voice of a generation. Seriously, when you think about it, he's kinda right. Kurt died in '94, and it was around that same year and the next few years when hip-hop really took hold as the dominant music force in the mainstream, at least for American music.

Gunsnhalen said:

Paisley4u said:

Well, maybe some of u don´t know it BUT...America isn´t the whole world!

I mean, Snoop and 2 PAC had some hits in Europe but grunge really took over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition was house music, no hiphop or R&B untill grunge went radio-friendly and died...then came the huge hits from Puffy, Jay-Z, Destiny´s Child, Missy and R&b/Rap took over.

In Europe!!

Yes i hate to burst that little bubble boo boo

But we NEVER said said it was

We where simply stating the scene in the U.S at the time.

I don't think Jay specified only the American music scene either, even though it's more than likely he wasn't talking about the whole world.

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

Was he unconscious between 1991 and 1994? Hip-hop was on the rise when Nirvana was relevant.

Stop acting like you know everything, Shawn. Damn man, shut up...

I'm sorry, hip-hop is such a sad genre. Intelligence in hip-hop died along time ago. Even when you listen to the new stuff that is out...you think... I do love different genres of music, however, at times, this particular genre is lacking.

Thelaststander said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Yes i hate to burst that little bubble boo boo

But we NEVER said said it was

We where simply stating the scene in the U.S at the time.

I don't think Jay specified only the American music scene either, even though it's more than likely he wasn't talking about the whole world.

He didn't mention it but believe me he was talking about his home turf.

HAPPYPERSON said:

Jay-Z: 'Kurt Cobain stopped hip-hop music'
Rapper reveals his love of Nirvana's 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'



Jay-Z has revealed he is a massive Kurt Cobain fan, and that 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' temporarily stopped the hip-hop world.

Speaking to super-producer Pharrell Williams in his new coffee table book Pharrell: The Places and Spaces I’ve Been, he said that Nirvana were so culturally powerful that hip-hop had to "wait awhile" before becoming the dominant sound of youth culture, CBS local reports.

"'Hair bands’ dominated the airwaves and rock became more about looks than about actual substance and what it stood for - the rebellious spirit of youth….That’s why ‘Teen Spirit’ rang so loud because it was right on point with how everyone felt," he said.

He added that Cobain was a force bigger than hip-hop: “I have always been a person who was curious about the music and when those forces come on the scene, they are inescapable. Can’t take your eyes off them, can’t stop listening to them. [Cobain] was one of those figures. I knew we had to wait for a second before we became that dominant force in music."

He continued: "It was weird because hip-hop was becoming this force, then grunge music stopped it for one second, ya know Those ‘hair bands’ were too easy for us to take out; when Kurt Cobain came with that statement it was like, ‘We got to wait awhile'."
Jay-Z: 'Kurt Cobain stopp... | NME.COM

What bulshit is this??

By the time Nirvana came out and was riding the commercial coattails hard Hip Hop was in its "Golden age"... BTW Tool and NIN shat all over Nirvana, but that's another story...

Neversin.

What's next?

Kurt Cobain discovered America?

TheDigitalGardener said:

Timmy84 said:

Was he unconscious between 1991 and 1994? Hip-hop was on the rise when Nirvana was relevant.

Stop acting like you know everything, Shawn. Damn man, shut up...

This. Thanks Timmy.

Paisley4u said:

Gunsnhalen said:

i gotta go in

1991-92 was when Nirvana & Grunge got big same time...

The CHRONIC album came out

Kool G Rap

Gang Star

Ice Cube with It Was A Good Day, Check Yourself & Wicked

Boogie down Productions getting bigger

Enter The Wu-Tangw as about to come out

Shaba Ranks

Pete Rock

Mary J Blige

Snoop Dogg

Sit down Shawn

Well, maybe some of u don´t know it BUT...America isn´t the whole world!

I mean, Snoop and 2 PAC had some hits in Europe but grunge really took over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition was house music, no hiphop or R&B untill grunge went radio-friendly and died...then came the huge hits from Puffy, Jay-Z, Destiny´s Child, Missy and R&b/Rap took over.

In Europe!!

Grunge didn't take over where I grew up, there were quite a few white kids amongst my peer group into hip-hop. Yo!MTVRaps was shown in England, The Word had regular features on Ice T, RunDMC et al. In the early 90s the way was being paved for the likes of JayZ with the emergence of big-selling fluff like MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, hits like Snow's Informer(number 1 in 93 I think), Massive Attack's Blue Lines, raggamuffian East17, Will Smith.

Y'know it wasn't until 96 that a grunge band actually played an arena in England.

[Edited 10/15/12 0:37am]

I can't stand Jay-Z, whether he's rapping or talking.

I'm a Nirvana fan and hiphop head, but Jay-Z must have been high when he did this interview. Golden age era for hiphop. What bothers me the most is that a lot of of people such as Jay and other artists who know nothing about Nirvana, talk about him in such a heroic way and they know nothing about the guy or the music besides Smells like teen spirit which is a song that Kurt hated. lol

"He's the one
Who likes all the pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it mean
Knows not what it mean
And I say
He's the one
Who likes all the pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it mean
Knows not what it mean
And I say yeah"

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Was he unconscious between 1991 and 1994? Hip-hop was on the rise when Nirvana was relevant.

Stop acting like you know everything, Shawn. Damn man, shut up...

i gotta go in

1991-92 was when Nirvana & Grunge got big same time...

The CHRONIC album came out

Kool G Rap

Gang Star

Ice Cube with It Was A Good Day, Check Yourself & Wicked

Boogie down Productions getting bigger

Enter The Wu-Tangw as about to come out

Shaba Ranks

Pete Rock

Mary J Blige

Snoop Dogg

Sit down Shawn

Yes! Especially '92 and '94. I believe those were the years that Dre's Chronic and Snoop Doggy Dogg's releases came out and were a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention all of the other Hip Hop acts that were selling millions at that time. Somebody tell Shawn to shut the f*ck up

He must be still trying to get some of that Gwen Paltrow/Coldplay money

Besides that, Nirvana wasn't the only band to hit big with grunge around that time. Whatever happened to showing Eddie Vedder and 'nem some love? Yeah, I know its Pearl Jam.

I get what he's saying because he said shit hop didn't become dominant until later. I remember some of it being on pop radio in the early 1990s but not a lot of it. There was a lot of "dance" type stuff on pop radio earlier in the decade. Actually, during those years, pop radio was getting off harder than R&B radio was because other than Black Box, Robin S., Ce Ce Penniston, or M People, I heard very little "dance" stuff on R&B radio which was full of dull adult contemporary R&B and a lot more shit hop was taking over R&B radio while "dance" was still on pop radio.

I held on and tolerated R&B radio as long as I could until 1997 when less and less M People, Robin S., type music was being played and also less and less or fast danceable rap such as 2 Live Crew, Duice, etc. was being played but instead more and more "talking over a slow boring beat" shit hop was taking over. I finally just said "Enough!" in 1997 and took all R&B stations off my dial and listened to pop radio only. It had a lot of that Nirvana influenced rock which I found dull as hell but it also had more a variety of stuff such as "Are You Jimmy Ray", "I Get Knocked Down, But I Get Up Again", "I'm A Bitch, I'm A Lover", "Mmmmm Bop", etc. and there was also a few shit hop songs on it but not a whole lot of them. Around the year 2000 or so though, more and more shit hop started taking over pop radio also so I dropped it also and just started listening to old music only. So no, shit hop was there but it didn't really dominate POP radio until the 2000s. It has dominated to the point that you even see young rednecks in pickup trucks with the huge tires and the Confederate flag painted in the window driving down the road blasting shit hop which used to be totally unheard of.

^

Gunsnhalen said:

Paisley4u said:

Well, maybe some of u don´t know it BUT...America isn´t the whole world!

I mean, Snoop and 2 PAC had some hits in Europe but grunge really took over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only competition was house music, no hiphop or R&B untill grunge went radio-friendly and died...then came the huge hits from Puffy, Jay-Z, Destiny´s Child, Missy and R&b/Rap took over.

In Europe!!

Yes i hate to burst that little bubble boo boo

But we NEVER said said it was

We where simply stating the scene in the U.S at the time.

I know and I didn´t wanna offend "America"

I just thought Jay-Z had a point...and yes, I like his music