I don't there has been a huge rock single... in years honestly.

Just 2 years ago a lot of rock bands(While not great) Lots of rock bands like Nickleback( ), Evanescence, Chevelle, Linkin Park, P.O.D, U2, Red Hot Chili Peppers etc. Where huge on the charts & played a ton on MTV to.

And 10 years before that of course Nirvana, Guns N Roses, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Chili Peppers U2, XTC, R.E.M, The Cure etc. Where dominating charts & bands like Living Colour, Faith No More & Fishbone had huge following

Nowadays i hear like almost no rock songs on radio, there's some great underground rock groups but nothing mainstream.

Do you think a rock song wil

Yea, I think it's become more difficult for bands like Kaiser Chiefs. The established acts like U2, RHCP, Crue etc. can make money playing shows and have little airplay and do just fine but more difficult for underground/small act as everything is downloaded and they get little airplay.

Now can another band like GnR come out and just score a massive amount of hits in a short time span. I think so.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Yea, I think it's become more difficult for bands like Kaiser Chiefs. The established acts like U2, RHCP, Crue etc. can make money playing shows and have little airplay and do just fine but more difficult for underground/small act as everything is downloaded and they get little airplay.

Now can another band like GnR come out and just score a massive amount of hits in a short time span. I think so.

I was pretty shocked that RHCP had a top 40 hit last year with''Adventures Of Rain Dance Maggie'' & GNR had a top 40 with Chinese Democracy in 08.. i mean they where low positions like #32 & #38

But still a top 40 hit & i never expected either band to have top 40 hits anymore... so i think it's possible for rock bands new or old to come out with something big.

But taking what you said into account.. it would be awesome if a rock band came out of nowhere like GNR and just dominates for a few years

They can with the right push. Right now the machine acts like folks need to just listen to psuedo electronic mainstream pop and that's it. But there's some hope. Then again most rock acts' strengths relied in albums not singles.

The problem is the music isn't good. The only rock song that's been a hit recently is Pumped Up Kicks and that's a great song. I think the only way a rock song will become a hit is if the song is good

A lot of pop songs have rock elements and influences in them for now.

I don't know anything about today's hits, but some of the classic rock acts had few or no Top 40 hit singles (USA) like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. There used to be a separate radio format for rock acts called AOR. AOR didn't necessarily play singles only, they played album tracks, and many of the acts didn't get played on Top 40 (ie. Stevie Ray Vaughn). There was a chart for AOR too, but it was based on airplay, because a lot of the stuff they played wasn't released as 45s.

I predict there'll be another backlash against the kind of music that's popular now and you will see young people with guitars back on top for a while, like a year or two.

But the fact there is virtually no radio outlet for new rock makes that less likely than it was a decade ago.

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know anything about today's hits, but some of the classic rock acts had few or no Top 40 hit singles (USA) like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. There used to be a separate radio format for rock acts called AOR. AOR didn't necessarily play singles only, they played album tracks, and many of the acts didn't get played on Top 40 (ie. Stevie Ray Vaughn). There was a chart for AOR too, but it was based on airplay, because a lot of the stuff they played wasn't released as 45s.

Yeah it wasn't like rock music was really respected on radio like that. They had to create their own format for it because the mainstream didn't wanna play it.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know anything about today's hits, but some of the classic rock acts had few or no Top 40 hit singles (USA) like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. There used to be a separate radio format for rock acts called AOR. AOR didn't necessarily play singles only, they played album tracks, and many of the acts didn't get played on Top 40 (ie. Stevie Ray Vaughn). There was a chart for AOR too, but it was based on airplay, because a lot of the stuff they played wasn't released as 45s.

Yeah it wasn't like rock music was really respected on radio like that. They had to create their own format for it because the mainstream didn't wanna play it.

Elton and Queen got a lot of mainstream attention

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know anything about today's hits, but some of the classic rock acts had few or no Top 40 hit singles (USA) like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. There used to be a separate radio format for rock acts called AOR. AOR didn't necessarily play singles only, they played album tracks, and many of the acts didn't get played on Top 40 (ie. Stevie Ray Vaughn). There was a chart for AOR too, but it was based on airplay, because a lot of the stuff they played wasn't released as 45s.

Yeah it wasn't like rock music was really respected on radio like that. They had to create their own format for it because the mainstream didn't wanna play it.

To me, it seems most of the songs that are played on classic rock stations today are the ones that were Top 40 hits. It's like the adult/oldies R&B stations play a lot of slow jams & mid-tempo and very little uptempo or funk songs.

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it wasn't like rock music was really respected on radio like that. They had to create their own format for it because the mainstream didn't wanna play it.

Elton and Queen got a lot of mainstream attention

It could be argued they were pop-rock and not just rock. Queen's harder rock tunes didn't get the coverage. Elton was mainstream almost from 1970 onwards. They're rockers, yeah, but they had a more sellable image, I guess.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it wasn't like rock music was really respected on radio like that. They had to create their own format for it because the mainstream didn't wanna play it.

To me, it seems most of the songs that are played on classic rock stations today are the ones that were Top 40 hits. It's like the adult/oldies R&B stations play a lot of slow jams & mid-tempo and very little uptempo or funk songs.

Good point.

aardvark15 said:

Elton and Queen got a lot of mainstream attention

Elton is more pop/light rock than hard rock, so of course he was going to be played on Top 40. Queen is kinda popish too. It's not like they're Rush, Metallica, or Iron Maiden. I don't remember hearing Elton on the AOR station, but they would play Steve Winwood though.

I think the question is, does anyway care or even follow the charts/top 10 these days?

When it comes to the UK chart I use to be able to name you what was number 1 at any point in time. We all followed...it mattered and we cared whether our favourites got to the top spot or not.

Nowadays...I don't think anyone is bothered. Check out the audience numbers for the Top 40 on the radio here in the UK on Sunday nights...no one listens anymore. So I don't worry whether my fave genres of music (rock, dance, soul, etc) could make it into the top 10 anymore because the charts are nothing like they use to be...they don't matter anymore.

Nickleback can.

It's amazing how some songs where never like top 20 hits... Stairway To Heaven is a huge example it was barely top 40. Yet with the airplay songs like that & Bohemian Rhapsody get it was number 1! and only 1 Hendrix song went #1

There is also sad facts like... Poison had more top 40 hit then Zeppelin

That's one reason i love GNR so much, they came out of nowhere late 80', where hard rock as hell but where accepted by not only the pop & R&B people but the hardcore metal heads as well. They got huge hits from 87-93 and still had an edge. Aerosmith was the same when they got big in the 70's....

But then there are rock bands who are rock.. but have elements of pop ala keyboards or such & get hated on by hardcore rock fans. I'm talking about people like Bon Jovi, Genesis, Styx etc.

Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

Elton and Queen got a lot of mainstream attention

It could be argued they were pop-rock and not just rock. Queen's harder rock tunes didn't get the coverage. Elton was mainstream almost from 1970 onwards. They're rockers, yeah, but they had a more sellable image, I guess.

Funny thing is that QUEEN were not that Big in America, people sometimes forget this, though possibly one of the biggest selling bands ever, little of that money was here, and alot of album sales they had here, were during the 1977-1981 era, the we will rock you to another one bites the dust era, after that when Hot SPace came out and then the Works and they did the "I want to break freee" video as Brian May put it America said we have no place for a gay lead singer, and mtv shut them down and black listed them.Elton was possibly the biggest singles artist, having a hit every year from 1970-1999 a 30 year span with at least one top 40, sorry no one since has even cut that record in half let alone come close.

As for a rock song being a hit, NO WAY, not a real rock song, and NOT a radio hit, that ship has sailed

No.

Nirvana killed rock and roll.

You'll never see rock and roll on the charts again. And in less than 20 years, you'll never see rock and roll at all again.

Which type of Rock do you want, groups like VH and GNR, Alice in Chains , Soundgarden or Daughtry and the aforementioned Nickleback? In the everchanging world of terrestrial radio, stations are too fractured, a station that plays Drake and Rhianna would rather feature Linkin Park instead of Van Halen and visa versa. Does anybody even know what the current No.1 song is on the charts without looking it up?

lastdecember said:

as Brian May put it America said we have no place for a gay lead singer, and mtv shut them down and black listed them.

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

RodeoSchro said:

No.

Nirvana killed rock and roll.

You'll never see rock and roll on the charts again. And in less than 20 years, you'll never see rock and roll at all again.

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

as Brian May put it America said we have no place for a gay lead singer, and mtv shut them down and black listed them.

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

I heard Queen had a lot of issues with their label promoting their music so usually they wouldn't do videos. Besides it was always suspected about Freddie. Even when he admitted that he was at least bisexual, no one really questioned it. They were always considered camp but a group that was so diverse that hardcore rock fans had to respect them.

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

as Brian May put it America said we have no place for a gay lead singer, and mtv shut them down and black listed them.

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

Well thats slightly different since alot of those acts were deemed "gay" anyway, ROCK music was not supposed to be like that according to MTV i mean even though Motley and Kiss wore make up and eye liner the videos had wall to wall girls like rap videos do now, Queen's Iwant to break free was dubbed the "coming out" song though Freddie had nothing to do with writing the song at all, it was John Deacons song. Then dressing in drag in the video was another fact, MTV refused to play them anymore, which coming after Radio GaGa being a Top 20 hit and the album doing pretty well that single barely got to the top 40 with no play or video play, and the album fell off big time, as the next single "its a hard life" peaked at 72 i believe, and that video got one week play on Friday Night Videos and that was it.

Also it could be argued that Queen had drifted away from rock in the early '80s. Their embrace of electronic beats and R&B didn't really go well with their rock fans. MTV had only one of their videos blacklisted ("Body Language"). I don't know about "I Want to Break Free". Plus Freddie Mercury was embarking on his solo career around the time Queen was supposedly blackballed from MTV and rock radio. Queen's label didn't promote their post-1982 works that well in the United States.

Timmy84 said:

RodeoSchro said:

No.

Nirvana killed rock and roll.

You'll never see rock and roll on the charts again. And in less than 20 years, you'll never see rock and roll at all again.

Sadly, I'm right.

When all the rockers from the 60's - 80's have either died or gotten too old to perform, then there will never again be rock and roll.

RodeoSchro said:

Timmy84 said:

Sadly, I'm right.

When all the rockers from the 60's - 80's have either died or gotten too old to perform, then there will never again be rock and roll.

But that begs the question: what is rock and roll really? It's not a sure thing about it being "over" though. Rock and roll is still alive, it's just not on the main charts, I guess. Then again, like I said, how much rock and roll has been actually played on the radio since the '70s? I get why you would say that but I wouldn't be too certain of its downfall...just yet.

RodeoSchro said:

No.

Nirvana killed rock and roll.

You'll never see rock and roll on the charts again. And in less than 20 years, you'll never see rock and roll at all again.

Fuck that. Nirvana SAVED rock music from bullshit glam-hair-metal bands. The 90's had a ton of great rock and metal bands - Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Pearl Jam, STP, Korn, Rage Against The Machine, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, G'n'R......

Even in the early 00's there were still a lot of decent bands. It's only in the last 5-8 years that's it's all gone to shit.

Timmy84 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Sadly, I'm right.

When all the rockers from the 60's - 80's have either died or gotten too old to perform, then there will never again be rock and roll.

But that begs the question: what is rock and roll really? It's not a sure thing about it being "over" though. Rock and roll is still alive, it's just not on the main charts, I guess. Then again, like I said, how much rock and roll has been actually played on the radio since the '70s? I get why you would say that but I wouldn't be too certain of its downfall...just yet.

You know how I know rock and roll is going to die soon?

The best rock song this year was put out by a 61-year-old man.

^ So because some older dude is rocking out more than clueless younger acts, that means rock is dead? Dude...