RodeoSchro said:

No.

Nirvana killed rock and roll.

RodeoSchro said:

then there will never again be rock and roll.

Since "rock 'n roll" was old slang for sex, it's not likely going away.

MickyDolenz said:

RodeoSchro said:

then there will never again be rock and roll.

Since "rock 'n roll" was old slang for sex, it's not likely going away.

People forget that rock and roll didn't become the name of the music until 1953 at the least by Alan Freed, who people claimed was the "authority" on what was "rock and roll" and it went through different metamorphosis (sp?) over the years. Even now, people were confused as to categorize rock and roll music. Guitar-driven rock is on a decline though but then again, guitar-driven rock is only supported when people buy their albums, not necessarily to push it to the top ten.

Timmy84 said:

^ So because some older dude is rocking out more than clueless younger acts, that means rock is dead? Dude...

If polka, folk, opera, blues, jazz, and zydeco still exists and they have never been dependent on radio play or hit singles, then rock can't become extinct either. At some of the local record stores, they still have a section for easy listening albums, and their main audience is elderly.

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MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

^ So because some older dude is rocking out more than clueless younger acts, that means rock is dead? Dude...

If polka, folk, opera, blues, jazz, and zydeco still exists and they have never been been dependent on radio play or hit singles, then rock can't become extinct either. At some of the local record stores, they still have a section for easy listening albums, and their main audience is elderly.

I always hear some fine blues on Music Choice's Blues channel. Old and (some) new.

Timmy84 said:

^ So because some older dude is rocking out more than clueless younger acts, that means rock is dead? Dude...

No, it means he's the YOUNGEST guy out there putting out real rock and roll. And he's 61!

Ten years, maybe 20 if we're lucky, and then all the real rockers will be gone and there isn't anyone to take their place.

I love when people say Nirvana killed rock & to each his own.

But what would you have prefered hair metal to keep going?

It wasn't just them... alt rock was huge then. 1991 imo was one of the best years of music and there was SO MANY huge rock bands coming out not just Nirvana

U2

My Bloody Valentine

Red Hot Chli Peppers

Pearl Jam

Alice In Chains

Guns N Roses

Pantera

Aerosmith

Motley Crue

Living Colour

All huge rock bands some of them bigger then others... but all of them where huge at the time... And many were big years after.. how did Nirvana kill them?

And what about bands like RHCP? did they kill rock to? they where one of the biggest starters of the alt. rock revolution that was going on in the 90's till now. They where responsible for a lot of that as where Smashing Pumpkins.

Nirvana get's the blame for a lot of shit when there where dozens of others bands at the time that where either already big or getting big... hell some of these bands where still making huge albums after Nirvana so woldn't they be more seen as killing R&R?

Just my 2 cents here

But Nirvana does get blamed for a lot of shit... when there where many other rock bands starting trends that same year.. if you are going to ''blame'' Nirvana might as well blame the rest eh?

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MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

^ So because some older dude is rocking out more than clueless younger acts, that means rock is dead? Dude...

If polka, folk, opera, blues, jazz, and zydeco still exists and they have never been dependent on radio play or hit singles, then rock can't become extinct either. At some of the local record stores, they still have a section for easy listening albums, and their main audience is elderly.

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Agree! i was meaning could it ever become mainstrem again...

But totally dying off never Hell Jazz & Blues are still HUGE...

And they almost never recieved airplay back in the day

Gunsnhalen said:

I love when people say Nirvana killed rock & to each his own.

But what would you have prefered hair metal to keep going?

It wasn't just them... lt rovk was huge then. 1991 imo was one of the best years of music and there was SO MANY huge rock bands coming out not just Nirvana

U2

My Bloody Valentine

Red Hot Chli Peppers

Pearl Jam

Alice In Chains

Guns N Roses

Pantera

Aerosmith

Motley Crue

Living Colour

All huge rock bands some of them bigger then others... but all of them where huge at the time... And many were big years after.. how did Nirvana kill them?

And what about bands like RHCP? did they kill rock to? they where one of the biggest starters of the alt. rock revolution that was going on in the 90's till now. They where responsible for a lot of that as where Smashing Pumpkins.

Nirvana get's the blame for a lot of shit when there where dozens of others bands at the time that where either already big or getting big... hell some of these bands where still making huge albums after Nirvana so woldn't they be more seen as killing R&R?

Just my 2 cents here

But Nirvana does get blamed for a lot of shit... when there where many other rock bands starting trends that same year.. if you are going to ''blame'' Nirvana might as well blame the rest eh?

Nirvana begat grunge and grunge killed rock.

Timmy84 said:

Also it could be argued that Queen had drifted away from rock in the early '80s. Their embrace of electronic beats and R&B didn't really go well with their rock fans. MTV had only one of their videos blacklisted ("Body Language"). I don't know about "I Want to Break Free". Plus Freddie Mercury was embarking on his solo career around the time Queen was supposedly blackballed from MTV and rock radio. Queen's label didn't promote their post-1982 works that well in the United States.

Queen had fallen out of favor with America and radio here, i was shocked that Radio GaGa got to the top 20 here, but that was purely on Video play and because "Metropolis" and "1984" the book and film were in at the time, but worldwide Radio Gaga is one of their biggest songs ever. Mercury's solo career was doomed from the start, and Freddie wasnt happy, in the new documentary this was the only time where the members really thought QUEEN was over, because musically they werent agreeing, Hot Space is loved and very hated across the board, and even though the Game was tremendous alot of fans hate it. Queen has fans not unlike the U2 fans and REM fans that like their pre-selling days and hate everything else. Alot of u2 fans despise everything after Josua Tree, for some even Boy. For REM fans they hate everything after Green.

MTV had banned Body Lanuguage and though "free" wasnt banned it was refused upon submission which is another language for "blackballed" they were toast in america at that point. But as Roger Taylor said, ok we'll go sell everywhere else, they really didnt need america nor did america want them

Gunsnhalen said:

I love when people say Nirvana killed rock & to each his own.

But what would you have prefered hair metal to keep going?

It wasn't just them... lt rovk was huge then. 1991 imo was one of the best years of music and there was SO MANY huge rock bands coming out not just Nirvana

U2

My Bloody Valentine

Red Hot Chli Peppers

Pearl Jam

Alice In Chains

Guns N Roses

Pantera

Aerosmith

Motley Crue

Living Colour

All huge rock bands some of them bigger then others... but all of them where huge at the time... And many were big years after.. how did Nirvana kill them?

And what about bands like RHCP? did they kill rock to? they where one of the biggest starters of the alt. rock revolution that was going on in the 90's till now. They where responsible for a lot of that as where Smashing Pumpkins.

Nirvana get's the blame for a lot of shit when there where dozens of others bands at the time that where either already big or getting big... hell some of these bands where still making huge albums after Nirvana so woldn't they be more seen as killing R&R?

Just my 2 cents here

But Nirvana does get blamed for a lot of shit... when there where many other rock bands starting trends that same year.. if you are going to ''blame'' Nirvana might as well blame the rest eh?

Like Kurt Cobain really had that power. I guess rock and roll was only about sex, happiness and rebellion and Kurt was too depressed and everyone "followed him". But that's not accurate either when you compare Nirvana to the other acts that were popular alongside them in the 1990s. Soundgarden and Nine Inch Nails technically had better music than Nirvana but Nirvana's impact brought Seattle rock to the forefront in a way not seen since Jimi Hendrix, Heart and the Sonics. I don't think the genre itself is dead, but most of the artists are either retired, getting older, or have turned to different genres (as such is the case with Chris Cornell of Soundgarden). Plus with Foo Fighters, the recent success of Van Halen and the critical acclaim following Jack White's debut, I don't think we're ready to put a coffin on the genre itself. Besides, as Mickey said, there will always be an audience for "rock and roll".

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

as Brian May put it America said we have no place for a gay lead singer, and mtv shut them down and black listed them.

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

They also played DOA, Culture Club, Soft Cell(Sorta ), and i heard Smalltown Boy got some play back in the day on MTV to

Gunsnhalen said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

They also played DOA, Culture Club, Soft Cell(Sorta ), and i heard Smalltown Boy got some play back in the day on MTV to

Just don't give them homoerotic videos and they'll be shown only at midnight if at least that.

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I love when people say Nirvana killed rock & to each his own.

But what would you have prefered hair metal to keep going?

It wasn't just them... lt rovk was huge then. 1991 imo was one of the best years of music and there was SO MANY huge rock bands coming out not just Nirvana

U2

My Bloody Valentine

Red Hot Chli Peppers

Pearl Jam

Alice In Chains

Guns N Roses

Pantera

Aerosmith

Motley Crue

Living Colour

All huge rock bands some of them bigger then others... but all of them where huge at the time... And many were big years after.. how did Nirvana kill them?

And what about bands like RHCP? did they kill rock to? they where one of the biggest starters of the alt. rock revolution that was going on in the 90's till now. They where responsible for a lot of that as where Smashing Pumpkins.

Nirvana get's the blame for a lot of shit when there where dozens of others bands at the time that where either already big or getting big... hell some of these bands where still making huge albums after Nirvana so woldn't they be more seen as killing R&R?

Just my 2 cents here

But Nirvana does get blamed for a lot of shit... when there where many other rock bands starting trends that same year.. if you are going to ''blame'' Nirvana might as well blame the rest eh?

Like Kurt Cobain really had that power. I guess rock and roll was only about sex, happiness and rebellion and Kurt was too depressed and everyone "followed him". But that's not accurate either when you compare Nirvana to the other acts that were popular alongside them in the 1990s. Soundgarden and Nine Inch Nails technically had better music than Nirvana but Nirvana's impact brought Seattle rock to the forefront in a way not seen since Jimi Hendrix, Heart and the Sonics. I don't think the genre itself is dead, but most of the artists are either retired, getting older, or have turned to different genres (as such is the case with Chris Cornell of Soundgarden). Plus with Foo Fighters, the recent success of Van Halen and the critical acclaim following Jack White's debut, I don't think we're ready to put a coffin on the genre itself. Besides, as Mickey said, there will always be an audience for "rock and roll".

Ahhh i almost forgot about the Foo... they where like the 3rd biggest winner at the grammys this year that was a shock.

And people say how rock ''died'' last year... but mainstrem wise we had White Stripes, Foo Fighters, Queens Of The Stone Age, Rob Zombie Velvet Revolver, Audioslave etc. Just so far in the 10's no rock band has made a lasting impact.

And also NIN imo had a lot to do with modern sounds to.... some of the shit they do in dub step... i'm like this is like NIN pussified

Gunsnhalen said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

They also played DOA, Culture Club, Soft Cell(Sorta ), and i heard Smalltown Boy got some play back in the day on MTV to

But again, the genre of POP was not viewed as being straight anyway, QUEEN was a ROCK group, and ROCK was always this Acdc balls to the wall type shit, its why QUeen gets no props and other bands do.

I forgot about Jack White. He's the Great White Hope of Rock and Roll, if you will.

Timmy84 said:

most of the artists are either retired, getting older, or have turned to different genres

....or are dead

Gunsnhalen said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's odd, since MTV would play Erasure & Frankie Goes To Hollywood videos. They would also show a lot of androgynous looking acts like Motley Crue, Prince, Human League, and The Cure.

They also played DOA, Culture Club, Soft Cell(Sorta ), and i heard Smalltown Boy got some play back in the day on MTV to

But Boy George said he was straight in the beginning. He even got some paternity suits.

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MickyDolenz said:

Gunsnhalen said:

They also played DOA, Culture Club, Soft Cell(Sorta ), and i heard Smalltown Boy got some play back in the day on MTV to

But Boy George said he was straight in the beginning.

He once said he preferred a tea over sex. So maybe he thought he could pull off being asexual like a certain "king of MTV" lol

MickyDolenz said:

Gunsnhalen said:

They also played DOA, Culture Club, Soft Cell(Sorta ), and i heard Smalltown Boy got some play back in the day on MTV to

But Boy George said he was straight in the beginning.

He wasn't fooling anyone

Besides, he kinda blew that cover after the Grammys in 1984:

"Thank you, Grammys, you got taste, you got style...and you know a good drag queen when you see one. "

Sure it took him until the break up of Culture Club to admit he was fucking Jon Moss.

Gunsnhalen said:

And also NIN imo had a lot to do with modern sounds to.... some of the shit they do in dub step... i'm like this is like NIN pussified

Yeah dubstep owes a lot to industrial music and post-punk new wave. The difference is, those artists knew how to write songs. 90% of dubstep is just random fucking beats. It's bullshit. Give me NIN, Marilyn Manson or Skinny Puppy any day.

Timmy84 said:

Besides, he kinda blew that cover after the Grammys in 1984:

"Thank you, Grammys, you got taste, you got style...and you know a good drag queen when you see one. "

Sure it took him until the break up of Culture Club to admit he was fucking Jon Moss.

Lawd i do love Boy... CC And some of his solo albums before he did techno crap

But he has been crying about that Jon incident for awhile now I'm like did you get that good of a deep dicken that you can't let it go?

Oh & the always kind Pete Burns sai Boy stole his style & talked smack about him for years

One interview he said something like ''He stole my style and made it seem more acceptable he also stole my treadmil but that's good he need's it''

Get ready... Green Day is back. And their new song is fairly catchy. I expect it'll do something.

Gunsnhalen said:

Timmy84 said:

Besides, he kinda blew that cover after the Grammys in 1984:

"Thank you, Grammys, you got taste, you got style...and you know a good drag queen when you see one. "

Sure it took him until the break up of Culture Club to admit he was fucking Jon Moss.

Lawd i do love Boy... CC And some of his solo albums before he did techno crap

But he has been crying about that Jon incident for awhile now I'm like did you get that good of a deep dicken that you can't let it go?

Oh & the always kind Pete Burns sai Boy stole his style & talked smack about him for years

One interview he said something like ''He stole my style and made it seem more acceptable he also stole my treadmil but that's good he need's it''

George had nerve to talk smack about Pete and Pete gave it back to him.