I don't know why Dawn tries be a part of any group.She had similiar problems with Lucy Pearl.She should just remain a solo act and she won't have anyone to fight with (lol).

and yes,I know her solo album flopped big time,but still....

Graycap23 said:

What is it with woman and singing groups?

Turmoil and infighting isn't that uncommon among male groups, GC. I think it's impossible to attribute those types of problems to female artists only.

Identity said:

Turmoil and infighting isn't that uncommon among male groups.

Identity said:

Graycap23 said:

What is it with woman and singing groups?

Turmoil and infighting isn't that uncommon among male groups, GC. I think it's impossible to attribute those types of problems to female artists only.

Remember when there were two sets of "Temptations" touring? One with Otis and Melvin, the other with Dennis.

Identity said:

Graycap23 said:

What is it with woman and singing groups?

Turmoil and infighting isn't that uncommon among male groups, GC. I think it's impossible to attribute those types of problems to female artists only.

No question but it seems even more so with women groups. Most don't seem 2 last past 2 or 3 projects.

missfee said:

Remember when there were two sets of "Temptations" touring? One with Otis and Melvin, the other with Dennis.

There still is. Dennis' group is called 'The Temptations Revue'. Then there's War/Lowrider Band. I think there two versions of the Sugarhill Gang too.

For a brief period in the early 80s there were two versions of Funkadelic, one led by former Parliament almuni Fuzzy Haskins, Calvin Simon and Grady Thomas. Legal and money problems had torn the collective in half. And thus, three dissatisfied members released their own album under the same name.

phunkdaddy said:

Is anyone really surprised. Dawn stated from the get go that she was going to do

the tour but she wasn't going to do an album with them for whatever reasons which

i believe were label and contract related. One of my co workers went to see them

at a club in Charlotte during the CIAA tournament earlier this year and he bought

the VIP ticket where you got to meet and eat with them backstage after the show.

I believe those tickets were 125 dollars. He told me only 12 people or so bought

VIP tickets and they had so much food they couldn't eat it all. He said the ladies

were very nice and put on a good show but they were shocked that they didn't get

a better turnout for the VIP treatment.

i would say that had something 2 do with charlotte more than envouge i live in charrlotte and the blacks here not gonna pay that much for nothing. im black myself and i saw how they complained about the prince tickets thats y we never have big black shows here they too cheap and ghetto here

I'm glad I was never into them.

babybugz said:

I'm glad I was never into them.

I really respect this statement because as someone who idolized this group disappointment isn't even the word for all this mess

Identity said:

For a brief period in the early 80s there were two versions of Funkadelic, one led by former Parliament almuni Fuzzy Haskins, Calvin Simon and Grady Thomas. Legal and money problems had torn the collective in half. And thus, three dissatisfied members released their own album under the same name.

They tried to promote it but they probably got laughed at because people didn't know they were original members lol I saw Ray Davies had broken ties with them and just straight went to Zapp.

Let's not forget James Brown's dealings with the Famous Flames.

There have been different incarnations of Asia, the Drifters, the Beach Boys, War and Jefferson Airplane, each claiming to be the real deal.

Identity said:

There have been different incarnations of Asia, the Drifters, the Beach Boys, War and Jefferson Airplane, each claiming to be the real deal.

Yeah I get so tired of keeping up with all these bands and their conflicts. It's like infighting is not helping your cause to preserve your legacies.

MickyDolenz said:

missfee said:

Remember when there were two sets of "Temptations" touring? One with Otis and Melvin, the other with Dennis.

There still is. Dennis' group is called 'The Temptations Revue'. Then there's War/Lowrider Band. I think there two versions of the Sugarhill Gang too.

Well I guess, in legal aspects it's now two different Temptations as opposed to two groups billing and touring as "The Temptations". The judge made Dennis stop touring under "The Temptations" and tacted on the "revue" at the end. So in the end, Otis won....but since Dennis is still touring with his guys as you said, then I guess he's still laughing...kinda.

missfee said:

MickyDolenz said:

There still is. Dennis' group is called 'The Temptations Revue'. Then there's War/Lowrider Band. I think there two versions of the Sugarhill Gang too.

Well I guess, in legal aspects it's now two different Temptations as opposed to two groups billing and touring as "The Temptations". The judge made Dennis stop touring under "The Temptations" and tacted on the "revue" at the end. So in the end, Otis won....but since Dennis is still touring with his guys as you said, then I guess he's still laughing...kinda.

Richard Street tours with a set of Tempts also

HuMpThAnG said:

missfee said:

Well I guess, in legal aspects it's now two different Temptations as opposed to two groups billing and touring as "The Temptations". The judge made Dennis stop touring under "The Temptations" and tacted on the "revue" at the end. So in the end, Otis won....but since Dennis is still touring with his guys as you said, then I guess he's still laughing...kinda.

Richard Street tours with a set of Tempts also

Say what??? Lawd.

HuMpThAnG said:

missfee said:

Well I guess, in legal aspects it's now two different Temptations as opposed to two groups billing and touring as "The Temptations". The judge made Dennis stop touring under "The Temptations" and tacted on the "revue" at the end. So in the end, Otis won....but since Dennis is still touring with his guys as you said, then I guess he's still laughing...kinda.

Richard Street tours with a set of Tempts also

Didn't Damon Harris also have a Temptations?

[Edited 7/30/12 18:22pm]

Graycap23 said:

Identity said:

Turmoil and infighting isn't that uncommon among male groups, GC. I think it's impossible to attribute those types of problems to female artists only.

No question but it seems even more so with women groups. Most don't seem 2 last past 2 or 3 projects.

Thats not with females thats with males as well.

I think its because they werent REAL groups to begin with. Thats why TLC broke up after Left Eye passed because their was something lacking in the group that could not be replaced. Replacements just means anybody can take up that spot or make it appear like it is a group it doesnt necessarily mean they add something to the group or that everyone in the group gets along.

Graycap23 said:

Identity said:

Turmoil and infighting isn't that uncommon among male groups, GC. I think it's impossible to attribute those types of problems to female artists only.

No question but it seems even more so with women groups. Most don't seem 2 last past 2 or 3 projects.

That's probably the main difference.

cbarnes3121 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Is anyone really surprised. Dawn stated from the get go that she was going to do

the tour but she wasn't going to do an album with them for whatever reasons which

i believe were label and contract related. One of my co workers went to see them

at a club in Charlotte during the CIAA tournament earlier this year and he bought

the VIP ticket where you got to meet and eat with them backstage after the show.

I believe those tickets were 125 dollars. He told me only 12 people or so bought

VIP tickets and they had so much food they couldn't eat it all. He said the ladies

were very nice and put on a good show but they were shocked that they didn't get

a better turnout for the VIP treatment.

i would say that had something 2 do with charlotte more than envouge i live in charrlotte and the blacks here not gonna pay that much for nothing. im black myself and i saw how they complained about the prince tickets thats y we never have big black shows here they too cheap and ghetto here.

Wow! Word dude? That's not an accurate discription of all black Charlotteans. You know

everybody black and they momma went to see Maze and Frankie Beverly tour a couple weekends ago at Verizon Amphitheater. I know some folk that paid for the good seats.

As far as Prince goes with the way the economy is who the hell can afford to shell out

125 dollars especially if you have other mouths to feed and people are more willing to shell out 125 for Prince versus EnVogue. I would have went to see EnVogue for the regular price which was 40 dollars i believe but

not for 125 just to meet and eat with them backstage. Hell to the naw!

I went to see Prince in Columbia and i paid for the 49 dollar seats. I didn't expect

to be in the balcony but fortunate for me and a few others we were able to get complimentary tickets from the staff seated closer to the stage. I could have paid

125 but hey i got to eat and pay bills too so i can't blame folk in Charlotte if they

weren't with that. It has nothing to do with them being cheap and ghetto although

i know there is some of that around. There is a lot of black shows in Charlotte.

Try telling that to folks in Columbia where i'm from. They would gladly trade places with you.

HuMpThAnG said:

missfee said:

Well I guess, in legal aspects it's now two different Temptations as opposed to two groups billing and touring as "The Temptations". The judge made Dennis stop touring under "The Temptations" and tacted on the "revue" at the end. So in the end, Otis won....but since Dennis is still touring with his guys as you said, then I guess he's still laughing...kinda.

Richard Street tours with a set of Tempts also

Word man?

Something tells me Dawn is the problem, since she's left the group a million times lol.

Has there ever been ANY groups (male or female) to stand the test of time? TLC was beefin right before Left Eye died, they had actually broke up already because left eye had released a solo album overseas. We all know how that DC drama played out. And isnt Diana Ross still on bad terms with the other surpremes? The Temptations, Tone Tone Tone, etc.

People just can't work together I suppose.

MickyDolenz said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Richard Street tours with a set of Tempts also

Didn't Damon Harris also have a Temptations?

[Edited 7/30/12 18:22pm]

I think, at one time, he was touring with either Richard or Dennis..

Not sure if he has his own set

Terrib3Towel said:

Has there ever been ANY groups (male or female) to stand the test of time?

The Four Tops had the same members until the late 1990's, and that was because of death/sickness. ZZ Top & U2 have been intact as well. Rush & Swing Out Sister have each had the same lineup since their 2nd albums.

MickyDolenz said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Has there ever been ANY groups (male or female) to stand the test of time?

The Four Tops had the same members until the late 1990's, and that was because of death/sickness. ZZ Top & U2 have been intact as well. Rush & Swing Out Sister have each had the same lineup since their 2nd albums.

Most of the Dells have stayed together and were only broken apart by accidents, illnesses, health and death.

Terrib3Towel said:

Something tells me Dawn is the problem, since she's left the group a million times lol.

Has there ever been ANY groups (male or female) to stand the test of time? TLC was beefin right before Left Eye died, they had actually broke up already because left eye had released a solo album overseas. We all know how that DC drama played out. And isnt Diana Ross still on bad terms with the other surpremes? The Temptations, Tone Tone Tone, etc.

People just can't work together I suppose.

This thread has me thinking...

Cindy and Terry are known as being more conservative.

Dawn is definitely wild and Max, I never really heard about her personal life.

If you consider the personality types, it makes sense that Terry and Cindy would be adverse to making changes or making bold moves. It makes sense that Dawn (and Max?) would make moves against the music machine.

I don't care what versions this group takes, I will always support them in any incarnation.

[Edited 7/30/12 21:13pm]

Timmy84 said:

They just need to quit. They're too old to be having conflict.

Like I'm losing sleep over anything En Vogue has done anyway...

They died once Dawn left them the first time in '96.

Yup. En Vogue were divas twenty years ago, now they’re just delusional.

En Vogue Members Sue Each Other

August 17, 2012

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Three members of En Vogue have revealed that they are suing each other.

Singer Maxine Jones, who left the band earlier this month, revealed on her Twitter page that her bandmates Terry Ellis and Cindy Herron "forced" her out and have taken legal action against her.

She wrote: "Yup Terry n Cindi r evil! They took over the LLC n bank acct, forced me out, gave my gigs to that chick LOL, and SUING #ME!

"@MaxineJonesEV Real arrogant bitches drunk over power lol! My lawyer and I look forward to court! We're gonna catch it on our reality show 2 lol."

Former member Dawn Robinson, with whom Jones plans to form a new version of the group, added: "Don't worry about it Max lol! The truth about they're asses had to come out sooner or later! Do NOT erase these messages lol!"

En Vogue's original lineup reformed in 2010, where they played a series of shows including a date at London's Indigo2.

The band released three successful albums in the 1990s and a string of hit singles, including 'Hold On', 'My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)' and their signature song 'Don't Let Go (Love)'.