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Reply #630 posted 07/29/12 4:24am

Azz

dag said:

Paris has just finished the 8th about to start the 9th, right? A girl without make-up at that age is quite a rarity. I am a teacher and I’ve seen some girl starting to wear make-up in the 6th grade! As for her being disprespectful, people seem to forget to she has also apologized publicly. And also let’s not forget that it was Prince who basically confirmed everything and accused certain people of lying, too. It’s interesting that since he hinted he had evidence to back it up, things calmed down.

If Katherine felt she was too old to take care of the kids, she wouldn’t be devastated by the fact that her guardianship was suspended. And yes, she had help. And if she wanted to share it with someone, isn’t there a legal way to do that? Couldn¨t she have asked the court to have someone appointed to help her with it stating, it’s too much for her? Isn’t there really a more gracious way to „lose“ custody? Why do people forget that the judge believed that she was prevented from doing her job because of the acts of third parties? And the pure coincidence of the timing when the letter „leaked“ at the same time…

I can’t truly say what the hell was going on and what the motives of all those involved were, but the judges desicion surely confirmed that something really fishy is going on and that it needs to be investigated. And I am sure that if it all was due to the kids overreacting, being hysterical and seeking attention, there wouldn’t be a reason for the adults to cry in the public and fighting to the point where cops needed to be called.

In the words of Katherine, it was based on a bunch of lies.

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Reply #631 posted 07/29/12 5:56am

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babynoz said:

kibbles said:

over at mjjcommunity, they've posted a summary of the estate's 90-something page report to the probate judge. this is the part about kat and the kids:

Payments to Katherine and MJ’s kids are as follows (Nov 2010- Dec 2011)

Kids allowance $2,139,194
Katherine allowance $470,814
Calabasas residence expenses $436,187
Condo payments $15,569
Hayvenhurst improvements $73,962
Taxes on properties $144,605
Insurance (health and property) $106,033
House employees $658,915
Katherine lawyer fees $233,911
Guardian ad litem $ 54,478
Utilities costs $53,211
Security $654,414
Repair & Maintenance $194,127

Total $5,205,516

Estate has also given multiple loans to Katherine

Loan 1 to Katherine $235,000
Loan 2 to Katherne $250,000
Loan 3 to Katherine $75,000
Loan 4 to Katherine $6,000,000 (for Katherine's debt to Segye Times)

Total loans to Katherine $ 6,560,000

Total paid to Katherine and kids equal $ 11,765,516 ( $5,205,516 + $ 6,560,000)

i think randy and co. are going to have a really hard time arguing that the execs have not done right by their mother or mj's kids. over the course of just ONE YEAR, they've paid out nearly $12 million dollars, and over half it went solely to katherine for her "care, suppport, maintenance, comfort and well-being".

i really don't see where their argument goes from here.

Thanks for the links. Can anyone believe that if the estate was in the hands of other members of the clan that it would be in the black right now? And in a relatively short period of time too. The trustees are getting fat paychecks but they seem to be doing their job. shrug

IIRC, the will was already contested more than once. I would think that the issue of where the will was signed and if a scrivener's error occurred would have been resolved at that time.

Also, being that this will doesn't differ significantly from earlier versions, my guess is that MJ was clear about how he wanted his estate disbursed. Hell, some people leave their fortunes to cats and dogs, lol

I was checking the docket too and it's amazing how many parties are involved in the case...the case number is BP117321

http://www.lasuperiorcour.../index.asp

The will has been contested all the way to the California Supreme Court and upheld every time. So apparently the entire state of California legal system are just MJ fans who hate the rest of the Jacksons, too. lol

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Reply #632 posted 07/29/12 6:58am

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Azz said:

Janet Jackson's fans appear to be more united than ever after Trending 'WeLoveUJanet', despite an immature response by Michael Jackson's fans in the form of their own attempted Trend 'RespectMJkids'.

Yes indeed. lol

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Reply #633 posted 07/29/12 7:30am

TheWifey

Red said:

Dayum - some of you are so freakin harsh. Do you even know an 82 year old on high blood pressure pills and who knows what else? This woman has been under incredible pressure since Michael left - looking after all those kids. Most women Katherine's age could certainly NOT handle it. Do any of you even know what it's like raising spoiled teens? Miraval IS a place that you don't want to have a phone, especially if you've booked yourself multiple specialist/medical appts while there. My mother's 85 - on blood pressure meds and when her pressure's up for whatever reason/stress - she slurs - and that's the least of it. Y'all ridiculous. I'm sure this is about spoiled children and greedy family. Poor woman can't even escape for a week. If I needed to get away from it all - I sure as hell wouldn't tell them where I was going either.

Have a heart people.

People still are not getting this? She is a legal GUARDIAN. LEGAL GUARDIANS CANNOT JUST UP AND RUN AWAY FROM THE KIDS THEY HAVE LEGAL CUSTODY OF. IF SHE FELT THEY WERE TOO MUCH FOR HER, SHE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM UP AND THE $70 THOU A MONTH SHE GETS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM!!!
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Reply #634 posted 07/29/12 7:47am

TheWifey

mjscarousal said:

luv4u said:

So ignore their posts and move on. Please do not derail this thread. Thanks.

Why not giving that same speech to Seanman and Lowkey and stop picking at me when I didnt even bring Michael up in the first place... I'm not derailing anything.

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Reply #635 posted 07/29/12 7:55am

TheWifey

CynicKill said:

Was I the only one that was a little shocked when they heard Michael left the siblings NOTHING in his will?

I know I know, they supposedly had a difficult history, but Michael was worth hundreds of millions of dollars at his death. I thought he was really close to LaToya and close to Janet, Rebe and Tito.

Couldn't a bruh at least set them up with houses and a few mil?

Janet I feel is being unfairly maligned. As previously noted Michael had issues and I figured drugs were a major part of them. I mean didn't he have a pharmacy's worth of drugs in his medicine cabinet? There were reports of prescription drugs taken for everything from burns to broken legs and what not. If Janet was wishy washy during an interview about some intervention could you blame her?

She was caught between being forthcoming AND not wanting to damage his legacy.

Would you leave your money to your siblings if you had minor kids? You'd short your kids to give to your brothers and siblings Do you even have kids? Janet is a damn lie. She was on tv saying how she was trying to get Michael to tour with them. Yet he was an addict. She wanted to tour with an addict. You Janet fans are reaching like hell to excuse this family.
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Reply #636 posted 07/29/12 8:02am

babynoz

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

Thanks for the links. Can anyone believe that if the estate was in the hands of other members of the clan that it would be in the black right now? And in a relatively short period of time too. The trustees are getting fat paychecks but they seem to be doing their job. shrug

IIRC, the will was already contested more than once. I would think that the issue of where the will was signed and if a scrivener's error occurred would have been resolved at that time.

Also, being that this will doesn't differ significantly from earlier versions, my guess is that MJ was clear about how he wanted his estate disbursed. Hell, some people leave their fortunes to cats and dogs, lol

I was checking the docket too and it's amazing how many parties are involved in the case...the case number is BP117321

http://www.lasuperiorcour.../index.asp

The will has been contested all the way to the California Supreme Court and upheld every time. So apparently the entire state of California legal system are just MJ fans who hate the rest of the Jacksons, too. lol

I'm sure the judge is practicing his moonwalk as we speak, lol

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Reply #637 posted 07/29/12 8:02am

TheWifey

aardvark15 said:

One word for everyone thinks Michael wasn't an addict. Morphine.

Please take to MJ sticky.
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Reply #638 posted 07/29/12 8:09am

Free2BMe

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Agree

and God knows I love me some Janet to (entertainer) but it just kills me how people are minimizing Janets odd behavior. Whether she is after money or not... she appears shady in this... period.

Agree. Janet is shady as hell and no excuses by her delusional stanatics will nullify that. She is the RING LEADER in this deception because she feels that her stans, media and puiblic will forgive her because she is Janet Jackson. It looks as if she is correct about her stans, they will forgive her even if she murdered someone. They are that pathetic. I don't know how much clearer her involvement has to be before these delusional stans see how far Janet's ass is involved. Even Paris, a 14 year-old girl has admitted that Janet did not slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

However, this cowardly fake heifer sits back and ALLOWS her stans and other people like Gladys Knight to bash this girl for no reason. Janet knows why she was trying to take Paris' cell phone, it was because Paris exposed their scheme. To do a CHILD like that is inexcusable. Janet's cowardice is almost as upsetting as the scam that she and her siblings tried to pull. I can bet that she wouldn't have walked up to Prince and tried to take his cell phone. Her actions toward Paris shows more envy than that of a concerned "aunt". These kids iknow that Janet is full of shit. They know what she has tried to do to her own brother and their father since his death. This entire scam that she is involved in is based on Jealousy,greed and the fact that she wants to be that's in charge of things. Can one imagine the outrage that these ignorant Janet stans would have had IF Michael had done the same thing to her, his mother, or any of his nieces and nephews. Of course, since it is Fake Ass Janet jackson, let's just forget that she LIED, used deception, tried to manipulate the public and allowed KIDS to take the heat for what SHE did. What a person to defend, stanatics! I wonder what you people are going to do when her next scam blows up in her face?

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Reply #639 posted 07/29/12 8:20am

TheWifey

Free2BMe said:

free2bfreeda said:

mental/emotional pressure. too many people coming at her at one time. eek

The main thing wrong with Katherine Jackson is GREED!

This greed from her and her children has caused ALL of these problems. It has shit to do with Michael's children.If Katherine and family hadn't been so greedy, they would have not sued AEG. AEG is not playing with Katherine and this family and their asses are running scared. All of this vacation shit is a diversion from Katherine getting deposed. Katherine filed suit for MONEY, not justice for Michael and it is biting her and the rest in the ass. AEG is deposing ALL of them and they can't stand it. "If you can't stand the heat, don't start a fire". These greedy MF'ers have "started a fire" and they can't handle it. The same with Janet, Randy, Rebbie, Titio and Jermaine drafting, signing and releasing that letter to the media, asking the executors to step down. This was all about money for THEM. These greedy bastards don't give a damn about the rightful heirs-Michael's chldren.

What is truly sad and embarrasing is that this stupid-ass family is saying that this will is "fake", yet, the other will from 1997 STILL did not leave THEM any money, except his mother, Katherine. Now, with this fiasco that THEY started, not Paris, they are subject to lose the money that even Katherine was getting from Michael's will. What an embarrassing and stupid family these people are. I have no use or respect for them.

[Edited 7/26/12 1:33am]

YOU WENT TO CHURCH UP IN HERE! IMA ABOUT TO PASS THE COLLECTION PLATE!
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Reply #640 posted 07/29/12 8:55am

musicology54

Oh would you stop with that mess. We are not self indulgent. We dont think we are smarter than every one so just get out with that exuse because its not true. Im getting sick and tired of you giving mj fans a bad rep. /rant.

Azz said:



mjscarousal said:




SoulAlive said:





Paris is definitely gonna be a force to be reckoned with lol She's a very strong-willed young lady.She can see through their bullshit and games.Just wait until she turns 18!





Agree



and God knows I love me some Janet to (entertainer) but it just kills me how people are minimizing Janets odd behavior. Whether she is after money or not... she appears shady in this... period.




Which is funny because you have forgiven another artist for far worse actions.



And again, this is just another example of the self righteous and judgemental behaviour of MJ fans.

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Reply #641 posted 07/29/12 9:20am

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Free2BMe said:

Azz said:

Agree. Janet is shady as hell and no excuses by her delusional stanatics will nullify that. She is the RING LEADER in this deception because she feels that her stans, media and puiblic will forgive her because she is Janet Jackson. It looks as if she is correct about her stans, they will forgive her even if she murdered someone. They are that pathetic. I don't know how much clearer her involvement has to be before these delusional stans see how far Janet's ass is involved. Even Paris, a 14 year-old girl has admitted that Janet did not slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

However, this cowardly fake heifer sits back and ALLOWS her stans and other people like Gladys Knight to bash this girl for no reason. Janet knows why she was trying to take Paris' cell phone, it was because Paris exposed their scheme. To do a CHILD like that is inexcusable. Janet's cowardice is almost as upsetting as the scam that she and her siblings tried to pull. I can bet that she wouldn't have walked up to Prince and tried to take his cell phone. Her actions toward Paris shows more envy than that of a concerned "aunt". These kids iknow that Janet is full of shit. They know what she has tried to do to her own brother and their father since his death. This entire scam that she is involved in is based on Jealousy,greed and the fact that she wants to be that's in charge of things. Can one imagine the outrage that these ignorant Janet stans would have had IF Michael had done the same thing to her, his mother, or any of his nieces and nephews. Of course, since it is Fake Ass Janet jackson, let's just forget that she LIED, used deception, tried to manipulate the public and allowed KIDS to take the heat for what SHE did. What a person to defend, stanatics! I wonder what you people are going to do when her next scam blows up in her face?

lol I just can't with you. Again, you go on and on as if you have some sort of personal stake in this, when A) you don't know any of these people and B) it is your blatant distaste for anything Janet Jackson that comes across more than anything in every post you make. I'm beginning to think you are just salty towards this woman for some other reason. If it wasn't this situation, then it'd be some other reason you'd be going on and on about "shady Janet," about "manipulative Janet", "about "liar Janet". Get a life, dude. GET-A-LIFE. Dot com.

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Reply #642 posted 07/29/12 9:24am

TheWifey

Azz said:

SoulAlive said:

There you go again,bending over backwards to discredit the children and make it appear that they're lying/exaggerating.

Well... the 'Janet Jackson' above the message 'Don't tell them pls' is photshopped. Show me evidence which proves the rest wasn't tampered with.

Not to mention, that reply makes no sense.


Even if it is real, you can't just so one small part of what seems to be a long conversation.

And yet no denial from Janet Jackson
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Reply #643 posted 07/29/12 10:33am

Azz

TheWifey said:

Azz said:

Well... the 'Janet Jackson' above the message 'Don't tell them pls' is photshopped. Show me evidence which proves the rest wasn't tampered with.

Not to mention, that reply makes no sense.


Even if it is real, you can't just so one small part of what seems to be a long conversation.

And yet no denial from Janet Jackson

Janet has class. She doesn't go to the media or the public to prove something, she knows that neither are her friend.

[Edited 7/29/12 10:34am]

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Reply #644 posted 07/29/12 10:46am

kibbles

Azz said:

TheWifey said:

And yet no denial from Janet Jackson

Janet has class. She doesn't go to the media or the public to prove something, she knows that neither are her friend.

[Edited 7/29/12 10:34am]

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Reply #645 posted 07/29/12 10:51am

kibbles

kibbles said:

Azz said:

Janet has class. She doesn't go to the media or the public to prove something, she knows that neither are her friend.

[Edited 7/29/12 10:34am]

janet and her siblings released a letter to a public, tabloid news site, accusing two men, very publically, of criminal behavior. if she had any class, she would have retained a lawyer and had him or her file a motion before the court, under seal, and where their accusations and proof could have been dealt with under the normal legal channels. there is nothing 'classy' about the way in which she went along with this b.s.

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Reply #646 posted 07/29/12 11:08am

Azz

kibbles said:

kibbles said:

janet and her siblings released a letter to a public, tabloid news site, accusing two men, very publically, of criminal behavior. if she had any class, she would have retained a lawyer and had him or her file a motion before the court, under seal, and where their accusations and proof could have been dealt with under the normal legal channels. there is nothing 'classy' about the way in which she went along with this b.s.

Can't comment. This chapter isn't over yet.

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Reply #647 posted 07/29/12 11:12am

kibbles

TheWifey said:

Free2BMe said:

The main thing wrong with Katherine Jackson is GREED!

This greed from her and her children has caused ALL of these problems. It has shit to do with Michael's children.If Katherine and family hadn't been so greedy, they would have not sued AEG. AEG is not playing with Katherine and this family and their asses are running scared. All of this vacation shit is a diversion from Katherine getting deposed. Katherine filed suit for MONEY, not justice for Michael and it is biting her and the rest in the ass. AEG is deposing ALL of them and they can't stand it. "If you can't stand the heat, don't start a fire". These greedy MF'ers have "started a fire" and they can't handle it. The same with Janet, Randy, Rebbie, Titio and Jermaine drafting, signing and releasing that letter to the media, asking the executors to step down. This was all about money for THEM. These greedy bastards don't give a damn about the rightful heirs-Michael's chldren.

What is truly sad and embarrasing is that this stupid-ass family is saying that this will is "fake", yet, the other will from 1997 STILL did not leave THEM any money, except his mother, Katherine. Now, with this fiasco that THEY started, not Paris, they are subject to lose the money that even Katherine was getting from Michael's will. What an embarrassing and stupid family these people are. I have no use or respect for them.

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YOU WENT TO CHURCH UP IN HERE! IMA ABOUT TO PASS THE COLLECTION PLATE!

yep, pretty much. according to their own letter, they're mad at the execs for allowing aeg to "stress" their mother by demanding that she and they answer questions.

kat should be able to answer every question aeg has, with clarity, since she's the one who filed this suit. janet and tito and rebbie have made damning allegations about mj, therefore aeg has every right to challenge kat's assertion that aeg is responsible for mj's drug problem when you have her own children out in the public painting him as a long-time junkie. to the extent that they have all told differing stories depending on the circumstances, they have no desire to be deposed or cross-examined on these stories. their lawsuit is going down in flames, and they're angry that the execs have allowed them all to be strung up by their own ropes. as well they should be.

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Reply #648 posted 07/29/12 11:14am

musicology54

Mmmmmm hmmmmm.

Azz said:



kibbles said:




kibbles said:






janet and her siblings released a letter to a public, tabloid news site, accusing two men, very publically, of criminal behavior. if she had any class, she would have retained a lawyer and had him or her file a motion before the court, under seal, and where their accusations and proof could have been dealt with under the normal legal channels. there is nothing 'classy' about the way in which she went along with this b.s.




Can't comment. This chapter isn't over yet.

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Reply #649 posted 07/29/12 11:36am

mookie

Azz said:

Janet Jackson's fans appear to be more united than ever after Trending 'WeLoveUJanet', despite an immature response by Michael Jackson's fans in the form of their own attempted Trend 'RespectMJkids'.

What are you talking about? Both MJ boards I go to the posters weren't aware of this.

But I did see this and was impressed considering so many MJ fans weren't able to take part.

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Reply #650 posted 07/29/12 11:44am

kibbles

Azz said:

dag said:

Paris has just finished the 8th about to start the 9th, right? A girl without make-up at that age is quite a rarity. I am a teacher and I’ve seen some girl starting to wear make-up in the 6th grade! As for her being disprespectful, people seem to forget to she has also apologized publicly. And also let’s not forget that it was Prince who basically confirmed everything and accused certain people of lying, too. It’s interesting that since he hinted he had evidence to back it up, things calmed down.

If Katherine felt she was too old to take care of the kids, she wouldn’t be devastated by the fact that her guardianship was suspended. And yes, she had help. And if she wanted to share it with someone, isn’t there a legal way to do that? Couldn¨t she have asked the court to have someone appointed to help her with it stating, it’s too much for her? Isn’t there really a more gracious way to „lose“ custody? Why do people forget that the judge believed that she was prevented from doing her job because of the acts of third parties? And the pure coincidence of the timing when the letter „leaked“ at the same time…

I can’t truly say what the hell was going on and what the motives of all those involved were, but the judges desicion surely confirmed that something really fishy is going on and that it needs to be investigated. And I am sure that if it all was due to the kids overreacting, being hysterical and seeking attention, there wouldn’t be a reason for the adults to cry in the public and fighting to the point where cops needed to be called.

In the words of Katherine, it was based on a bunch of lies.

yes, but whose lies, azz? according to her lawyer, kat laughed when she was asked about her alleged stroke. please tell me you're not trying to blame that on paris; she's the one who defended her grandmother against her uncles and aunts whose letter claimed kat had had a "mini-stroke". if she's saying that tj lied, then why on earth is she willing to share joint guardianship with someone who claimed she appeared to be under duress and incoherent?

as dag says, the judge isn't stupid. he has asked that the children be interviewed separately about this incident, and i will bet other things. i find it incredulous that kat's lawyer thinks that the judge will gloss over this whole event by allowing "joint" responsibilities wherein tj takes over the day-to-day duties of the children, but katherine gets control of their money. i think that dude must be huffin' spray paint! also as dag says, the judge will want to know why kat hasn't asked for joint guardianship before if she was having such a difficult time with the children.

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Reply #651 posted 07/29/12 12:00pm

kibbles

Azz said:

kibbles said:

janet and her siblings released a letter to a public, tabloid news site, accusing two men, very publically, of criminal behavior. if she had any class, she would have retained a lawyer and had him or her file a motion before the court, under seal, and where their accusations and proof could have been dealt with under the normal legal channels. there is nothing 'classy' about the way in which she went along with this b.s.

Can't comment. This chapter isn't over yet.

this chapter isn't over all the way around, yet you've had no trouble calling paris a liar before it's been all sorted out, have you? you have a comment about nearly everything else, but when you have simple question before, you have nothing to say? figures.

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Reply #652 posted 07/29/12 12:06pm

mookie

TheWifey said:

You Janet fans are reaching like hell to excuse this family.

What is the deal with her fans and this family? They just bend over backwards for them and I don't understand why. What is it that they're doing these days for them to be kissing their asses this hard? It just kills their credibility. Could you see a Madonna fan giving a rat's ass about her family? Or a Paul McCartney fan doing what they can to defend his family? Like who the hell cares? They do all that for a bunch of deadbeats? Weird.

I always see them talking all this shit about MJ fans, but I don't ever see them addresing this obvious elephant in the room.

If this was MJ, his fans would have immediately screamed for MJ to get the fuck away from the family.

[Edited 7/29/12 12:08pm]

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Reply #653 posted 07/29/12 12:28pm

musicology54

Finnaly someone says it.

mookie said:



TheWifey said:


You Janet fans are reaching like hell to excuse this family.


What is the deal with her fans and this family? They just bend over backwards for them and I don't understand why. What is it that they're doing these days for them to be kissing their asses this hard? It just kills their credibility. Could you see a Madonna fan giving a rat's ass about her family? Or a Paul McCartney fan doing what they can to defend his family? Like who the hell cares? They do all that for a bunch of deadbeats? Weird.



I always see them talking all this shit about MJ fans, but I don't ever see them addresing this obvious elephant in the room.



If this was MJ, his fans would have immediately screamed for MJ to get the fuck away from the family.











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Reply #654 posted 07/29/12 12:39pm

Azz

kibbles said:

Azz said:

Can't comment. This chapter isn't over yet.

this chapter isn't over all the way around, yet you've had no trouble calling paris a liar before it's been all sorted out, have you? you have a comment about nearly everything else, but when you have simple question before, you have nothing to say? figures.


I didn't have to wait till they end to find out that Paris was lying.

She Tweeted that her grandmother was fine without knowing her grandmothers where abouts, without speaking to her grandmother, and without seeing her grandmother for days. She was so sure that her grandmother did not have a heart attack, she disrespect her uncles & aunts, who were with Katherine.

She then reported her grandmother missing...

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Reply #655 posted 07/29/12 12:40pm

babynoz

kibbles said:

TheWifey said:

YOU WENT TO CHURCH UP IN HERE! IMA ABOUT TO PASS THE COLLECTION PLATE!

yep, pretty much. according to their own letter, they're mad at the execs for allowing aeg to "stress" their mother by demanding that she and they answer questions.

kat should be able to answer every question aeg has, with clarity, since she's the one who filed this suit. janet and tito and rebbie have made damning allegations about mj, therefore aeg has every right to challenge kat's assertion that aeg is responsible for mj's drug problem when you have her own children out in the public painting him as a long-time junkie. to the extent that they have all told differing stories depending on the circumstances, they have no desire to be deposed or cross-examined on these stories. their lawsuit is going down in flames, and they're angry that the execs have allowed them all to be strung up by their own ropes. as well they should be.

Yep. I think trying to get Mama Kate out from under that subpoena for depo is the most likely explanation for the ruse. She would be required to answer questions instead of reading a prepared statement and none of the siblings would be allowed to hover over her and guide her answers.

Hiding witnesses to avoid answering a subpoena is very common. Do you think Mama Kate has gotten wind of the contents of that letter yet? She has publically denied being in ill health so I doubt that she knew what the letter contained. Her regular doctor also denies any recent illness despite the sibling's claims that she was away under "doctor's orders".

Being that the children were also left in the dark about the real reason for her trip, they blew the sibling's cover when they heard about the letter and started asking questions, lol I'm not even sure Mama Kate knew the kids were being prevented from talking to her either.

Now that the whole thing has backfired in spectacular fashion, people are going to have to answer to the judge and his investigator.

So much for the best laid plans of mice and men. disbelief

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #656 posted 07/29/12 12:42pm

Azz

musicology54 said:

Finnaly someone says it. mookie said:

What is the deal with her fans and this family? They just bend over backwards for them and I don't understand why. What is it that they're doing these days for them to be kissing their asses this hard? It just kills their credibility. Could you see a Madonna fan giving a rat's ass about her family? Or a Paul McCartney fan doing what they can to defend his family? Like who the hell cares? They do all that for a bunch of deadbeats? Weird.

I always see them talking all this shit about MJ fans, but I don't ever see them addresing this obvious elephant in the room.

If this was MJ, his fans would have immediately screamed for MJ to get the fuck away from the family.

[Edited 7/29/12 12:08pm]

What are you talking about?

Janet fans don't care about the rest of the family. MJ fans do. MJ fans have been defending those kids day and night, but that might be because MJ is no longer alive - I don't know. You don't see James Brown fans defending his children, or Elvis fans defending Lisa Marie - do you?

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Reply #657 posted 07/29/12 12:49pm

babynoz

kibbles said:

janet and her siblings released a letter to a public, tabloid news site, accusing two men, very publically, of criminal behavior. if she had any class, she would have retained a lawyer and had him or her file a motion before the court, under seal, and where their accusations and proof could have been dealt with under the normal legal channels. there is nothing 'classy' about the way in which she went along with this b.s.

That would be the commonly accepted method that adults should use to resolve a legal dispute, yes. lol

I can understand the kid's reaction a whole lot better than the antics of these so-called grown folks well over the age of fourty and fifty.

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Reply #658 posted 07/29/12 12:52pm

Free2BMe

TheWifey said:

Azz said:

Well... the 'Janet Jackson' above the message 'Don't tell them pls' is photshopped. Show me evidence which proves the rest wasn't tampered with.

Not to mention, that reply makes no sense.


Even if it is real, you can't just so one small part of what seems to be a long conversation.

And yet no denial from Janet Jackson

Not only NO DENIAL, Miss "Nasty" Jackson said that the message was "misunderstood". Therefore, she is actually admitting that the screen message is true. The fact that her 15 year old nephew call her out on her LIE has her scared shitless. Janet KNOWS that Prince is telling the truth, this is why she can't deny it and is somewhere trying to think of ways to spin this mess. Anyone notice that this heifer is not trying to discredit Prince as they tried to do Paris. Anyone notice how Miss "Nasty" Jackson and her idiotic defenders tried to deflect and blame everything on Paris. Why are these people blaming Prince and trying to discredit him? Because they never thought that Prince was sitting back, observing, waiting for the moment to affirm that what his sister Paris was saying was correct. How stupid does Janet and Co. look when a 14 year-old girl and 15 year-old boy exposed their moronic scam? It is not only patheitic, it is embarrrasing and insulting that these people were willing to go to any lengths in order to fool the public, fans and media. This is far more than Jackson Family Business, this is intimidation and bullying of children, lying in order to deceive and manipulate and criminal behavior with breaking through a gate, trying to force a child to hand over a phone and trying to force minor children to go with them without their guardian's permission.

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Reply #659 posted 07/29/12 12:52pm

Ottensen

babynoz said:

kibbles said:

yep, pretty much. according to their own letter, they're mad at the execs for allowing aeg to "stress" their mother by demanding that she and they answer questions.

kat should be able to answer every question aeg has, with clarity, since she's the one who filed this suit. janet and tito and rebbie have made damning allegations about mj, therefore aeg has every right to challenge kat's assertion that aeg is responsible for mj's drug problem when you have her own children out in the public painting him as a long-time junkie. to the extent that they have all told differing stories depending on the circumstances, they have no desire to be deposed or cross-examined on these stories. their lawsuit is going down in flames, and they're angry that the execs have allowed them all to be strung up by their own ropes. as well they should be.

Yep. I think trying to get Mama Kate out from under that subpoena for depo is the most likely explanation for the ruse. She would be required to answer questions instead of reading a prepared statement and none of the siblings would be allowed to hover over her and guide her answers.

Hiding witnesses to avoid answering a subpoena is very common. Do you think Mama Kate has gotten wind of the contents of that letter yet? She has publically denied being in ill health so I doubt that she knew what the letter contained. Her regular doctor also denies any recent illness despite the sibling's claims that she was away under "doctor's orders".

Being that the children were also left in the dark about the real reason for her trip, they blew the sibling's cover when they heard about the letter and started asking questions, lol I'm not even sure Mama Kate knew the kids were being prevented from talking to her either.

Now that the whole thing has backfired in spectacular fashion, people are going to have to answer to the judge and his investigator.

So much for the best laid plans of mice and men. disbelief

Now after reading such a well explained, sensible post, you know there will still be people pointing out this entire fiasco as being the children's (specifically Paris's fault)? They'll point out that and, er, um, they're not Mike's blood children with any blood connection to the Jackson Family, so why are they getting that money anyway? Or something to that effect falloff

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