This isn't a competition type thread, more of just a discussion on the albums.

First off, i have not listened to either of these in maybe 2 years!, and sometimes my attitude on Pac changes... cause i honestly do not dig all of his material and find people can overrate the shit out of him sometimes.

But i love early pac.. damn he was on fire in his first 4 albums!, and i love the social/political lyrics he spits on 2pacalypse. He wrote some great songs and to me this felt like Pac....

I feel on later stuff he got way to much into that ''Thug Life'' bullshit. Hear he was a young man wanting to see the world be a better place.

Same for Nas! an angry teenager who wrote about experiences he had, and he wrote some great social songs as well. These 2 albums where such a big part of hip-hop history and i forgot how good they both are sometimes.

Gunsnhalen said:

This isn't a competition type thread, more of just a discussion on the albums.

First off, i have not listened to either of these in maybe 2 years!, and sometimes my attitude on Pac changes... cause i honestly do not dig all of his material and find people can overrate the shit out of him sometimes.

But i love early pac.. damn he was on fire in his first 4 albums!, and i love the social/political lyrics he spits on 2pacalypse. He wrote some great songs and to me this felt like Pac....

I feel on later stuff he got way to much into that ''Thug Life'' bullshit. Hear he was a young man wanting to see the world be a better place.

Same for Nas! an angry teenager who wrote about experiences he had, and he wrote some great social songs as well. These 2 albums where such a big part of hip-hop history and i forgot how good they both are sometimes.

Agree with you whole heartedly. "Trapped, Brenda's Got a Baby and Lunatic were just some of the great tracks from 2pacalypse now. Don't even get started on Illmatic. Hip hop perfection right there.

Along the way, they veered off the path that established their identities. At least Nas lived long enough to get back to basics. The same can't be said for Pac.

Gunsnhalen said:

This isn't a competition type thread, more of just a discussion on the albums.

First off, i have not listened to either of these in maybe 2 years!, and sometimes my attitude on Pac changes... cause i honestly do not dig all of his material and find people can overrate the shit out of him sometimes.

But i love early pac.. damn he was on fire in his first 4 albums!, and i love the social/political lyrics he spits on 2pacalypse. He wrote some great songs and to me this felt like Pac....

I feel on later stuff he got way to much into that ''Thug Life'' bullshit. Hear he was a young man wanting to see the world be a better place.

Same for Nas! an angry teenager who wrote about experiences he had, and he wrote some great social songs as well. These 2 albums where such a big part of hip-hop history and i forgot how good they both are sometimes.

Im biased. Nas cant do no wrong in my eyes. Always has been social/political conscious. 2pac had his rainy days but still was a very talented writer and poet. To be honest, in some ways I think 2pac is underrated because some of his weaker material gets more credit than it should and he seems to be overlyhyped because of his thug image and not his political music. I think Nas of course is very underrated.

With 2Pacalypse, Tupac was on his way to being hip-hop's answer to Gil Scott-Heron: a true poet and street scholar.

But like Gil he had his demons, and while he was able to flourish artistically and commercially from battling them on records, they cost him (directly or indirectly) his life.

Nas to me is more of a purebred MC. IMO Illmatic was more existential than 2pacalypse, but both pack the best punch those 2 MCs ever had.

mjscarousal said:

Gunsnhalen said:

This isn't a competition type thread, more of just a discussion on the albums.

First off, i have not listened to either of these in maybe 2 years!, and sometimes my attitude on Pac changes... cause i honestly do not dig all of his material and find people can overrate the shit out of him sometimes.

But i love early pac.. damn he was on fire in his first 4 albums!, and i love the social/political lyrics he spits on 2pacalypse. He wrote some great songs and to me this felt like Pac....

I feel on later stuff he got way to much into that ''Thug Life'' bullshit. Hear he was a young man wanting to see the world be a better place.

Same for Nas! an angry teenager who wrote about experiences he had, and he wrote some great social songs as well. These 2 albums where such a big part of hip-hop history and i forgot how good they both are sometimes.

Im biased. Nas cant do no wrong in my eyes. Always has been social/political conscious. 2pac had his rainy days but still was a very talented writer and poet. To be honest, in some ways I think 2pac is underrated because some of his weaker material gets more credit than it should and he seems to be overlyhyped because of his thug image and not his political music. I think Nas of course is very underrated.

Actually i have to kind of agree with you there MJC

My first Pac album was All Eyes On Me, grant it i liked it! i was young and really only new California love and Dear Mama. All Eyes On Me after hearing his first albums is eh, it's not a sellout album by any means.

But Pac had gone a different way, kind of how Kanye was in a very different mind-set then where he is now doing club banging anthems.

I watched Tupac Ressurection while doing some work last night... because he did some very stupid thing's. I forget Tupac was actually a very smart guy, who was well educated and didn't look down on people cause of race, sexual orientation or anything else.

I respect the shit out of that no matter what

Illmatic was a great album. Really the only Nas album I like. I don't just like it either, I LOVE it. 2Pacalypsenow, while not my favorite of his, showed the world whhat a great poet he was. 2Pac is definetly my favorite rapper btw. All of his humous albums are amazing in my eyes. Nas's problem was he went mainstream way too quickly. While 2Pac did go mainstream, he never completely left the amazing Pac I love, even though I do dig mainstream Pac

namepeace said:

With 2Pacalypse, Tupac was on his way to being hip-hop's answer to Gil Scott-Heron: a true poet and street scholar.

But like Gil he had his demons, and while he was able to flourish artistically and commercially from battling them on records, they cost him (directly or indirectly) his life.

Nas to me is more of a purebred MC. IMO Illmatic was more existential than 2pacalypse, but both pack the best punch those 2 MCs ever had.

Yep yep. Those joints were their hottest punches they ever threw in the Game. Moments for them both after them, but just moments...

namepeace said:

With 2Pacalypse, Tupac was on his way to being hip-hop's answer to Gil Scott-Heron: a true poet and street scholar.

But like Gil he had his demons, and while he was able to flourish artistically and commercially from battling them on records, they cost him (directly or indirectly) his life.

Nas to me is more of a purebred MC. IMO Illmatic was more existential than 2pacalypse, but both pack the best punch those 2 MCs ever had.

Dude pretty much nailed it.

/end of thread.