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Thread started 05/26/12 10:38pm

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William Orbit: Some of the Best Songs Created For MDNA Went To Chris Brown

UPDATE:
William Orbit tweeted afterwards…

The MDNA comments. I should not have said them publicly. I see that and I regret that I said online. Not fair to M.

William Orbit tweeted that there was a lively MDNA debate going on over at his Facebook page this afternoon.

A Madonna fan, Madonna Express Yourself, then mentioned what a lot of other Madonna fans are thinking: the lack of promo and the way the singles have been released, especially in the UK, have prevented MDNA to reach its full potential.
William Orbit responded…

I appreciate your analysis of the album release ‘strategy’ @Madonna Express Yourself. I wasn’t involved in its formulation in any way myself. All I will say is that certain thoughts about it that I see expressed online by committed fans such as yourself, were blindingly obvious to me from the very get go, well before the release. But I’m no Jimmy Iovine, with the ability to advocate my convictions forcefully, and as co-producer, co-writer etc am aware that it is not in my ‘job spec’.
But you won’t see me exactly jumping up and down with delight over the way that things have panned out. We were very pushed for time, due to a rather interesting and shall we just say, ‘traditional’ method of recording that the esteemed engineer Demo was partial to, and various pressing commitments that took up the artists limited time, such as perfume ranges and teen fashion contests and other such endeavours which are beyond my own limited understanding of pop star agendas.
The recording sessions for the six songs I did were hugely enjoyable for all of us. M was on form and better than ever with her singing and writing and musicality, and was having a great time. We had songs lined up that were breathtaking. You’ll hear some of them on Chris Brown’s new album, and they are the best ones, Kreayshawn’s (INCREDIBLE) new album, my own recently completed ‘Strange Cargo’ album. And some other surprising places. SNAPPED up by the artists concerned. Most of them, I believe, destined to become classics (let me know in a couple months wether you concur with that)
The team I assembled in NY for MDNA were, and are as good as it gets now. Writers and musicians and performers I picked because they take my breath away with their talent. And are totally of-the-moment in everything good that is going on in contemporary music at the moment. And usually hard to book because they are so in demand. And all of us fully committed to putting ourselves through extraordinary efforts to make MDNA the greatest album of the year.
But alas, the time wasn’t there. Great swathes of it taken up by the engineer and his assistant bouncing reverb tracks for hour after hour, night after night. Not to real tape or anything, where you could posit that there would be an advantageous sonic dividend (real tape can be magic) but all in the digital domain. A purely procedural thing. Although not a procedure I or any of my own colleagues in this game would want to squander time with.
I was just describing to a friend of mine, and whom I frequently work with Serban Ghenea (just look him up if you want to be awed) how it was done, and he thought I was kidding him!
There. I’ve said it. I did try to say it earlier but I must have not made the point with enough push, my way being to always say it with the music itself.
Over the years it’s become obvious to me that along with Madonna being the greatest pop artist of ALL time, her fan base are also the most ardent, cohesive, discerning and loyal fan base of any artist. Not saying that to blow smoke, is quite obviously true. Big respect. And long life to us all. And as you look at things in a ‘long term’ way (my way also) you always call it like you see it. And I’m with you on that too. Be honest and true, speak your heart and mind, and let the dust fall where it will.
So basically, i’d lie down in the mud if she didn’t want to get her shoes messed up (well, figuratively speaking, neither of us does a lot of Glastonbury mud tramping) it’s hard to be an effective knight when your hands are bound. I will submit to wisdoms that are possibly beyond my comprehension and that will play out to glory in the fullness of time. And get back to my own fervent canvas, and speak no more of the matter.
Oh, and if some bright spark at marketing central suggested a Hilary Clinton approach, ie, press ‘restart’ and get back in the studio for a couple weeks and do what they nowadays call a ‘re-pack’, I’d certainly put my hand up for that, whatever else I had going on. But realistically, there is only one person that could make that happen. And with the best songs in the world, and the best mixing, best ProToolsing, best team, best lyrics, best bananas, after this little screed I don’t suppose I should while away my hours staring at the phone! Click the image to open in full size. But i feel better for saying all that. Debt free and not beholden. The thing about having little appetite for riches and fame, and no great tower of expectations, you haven’t got anything to be taken away. And having always been an outsider, outside in the cold, It’s always clear which way the wind is blowing. I was never inside any bubble long enough to forget how the wind blows, and changes, and ebbs and gusts, and dies away completely. As before a storm. And that a beautiful bubble might yield to even a the breeze from a humble fan.

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Reply #1 posted 05/27/12 1:25am

alphastreet

Chris's music is garbage, and I don't like MDNA like her other albums, just a few songs.

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Reply #2 posted 05/27/12 5:44am

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I've read this a couple of times now in various places. It's too bad. Would have been nice to have Orbit on board for the eventual re-package. Or the next album. She'll never work with him again now. sad

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Reply #3 posted 05/27/12 8:59am

TheResistor

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This tweeter thing and celebrities is hilarious. Why do they feel the need to tweet every thought. As for William Orbit. Maybe he wanted to recapture the limelight (and the money) like the "Ray of Light" days. I think he's blown his chances of working with M again. Who knows.

rainbow

"...literal people are scary, man
literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look, it says right here, see!" - ani difranco
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Reply #4 posted 05/27/12 10:01am

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I will say that original working of Ray of Light that accompanied this byte over at the towleroad site is better than what made the cut.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #5 posted 05/27/12 11:35am

JoeTyler

sounds like bullshit

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Reply #6 posted 05/27/12 12:20pm

Cinny

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lazycrockett said:

I will say that original working of Ray of Light that accompanied this byte over at the towleroad site is better than what made the cut.

That shit sounded exactly like the released version. What is so intriguing about it?

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Reply #7 posted 05/27/12 12:22pm

Cinny

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errant said:

I've read this a couple of times now in various places. It's too bad. Would have been nice to have Orbit on board for the eventual re-package. Or the next album. She'll never work with him again now. sad

Is it really that insulting? Songs that she passed on went elsewhere.

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Reply #8 posted 05/27/12 3:50pm

IstenSzek

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he should have just produced the whole album. i fail to see how it benefits anyone's

album to have seven different producers at the wheel.

the orbit tracks are my favorits and if they'd made a whole album together again he

would have had more time, as would she, to craft it better and give it a more unique

feel, like ray of light.

not saying i'd want a ray of light vol 2, cuz that album is what it is. but together they

obviously make for a great team and come up with good, interesting material.

pile all that time she spent with other producers onto her time with orbit and MDNA

would have been a much better album.

as it is, it's ok, but it's not special enough to make a lasting impression.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #9 posted 05/27/12 5:58pm

Militant

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Orbit and Kreayshawn? Wow.

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Reply #10 posted 05/28/12 6:52pm

wavesofbliss

bless him he's so english in his manner of speaking.... all that to say that hes not that pleased with iovine.

and how does chris brown end up with somethingwrittenfor M? are they just writers for hire now? orbit used to collaborate.

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Reply #11 posted 05/28/12 9:14pm

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Militant said:

Orbit and Kreayshawn? Wow.

More like, why?! That's what I was just going to post. She hasn't come close to that level yet. She's a YouTube creation. Granted, she did it herself, and I respect that. I mean, shit, she's from my hood. But she need to do some more work before she gets "big". A lot of her lyrics are still pretty weak, too.

Whatever, I think maybe I'm just not adjusted to the 2-5 year lifespan of a pop artist these days. She'll be come and gone before it even matters. shrug

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Reply #12 posted 05/29/12 8:35am

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i actually think the Orbit songs suck and make the album feel like a tired retread of the "beautiful stranger' era.

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Reply #13 posted 05/29/12 4:02pm

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Cerebus said:

Militant said:

Orbit and Kreayshawn? Wow.

More like, why?! That's what I was just going to post. She hasn't come close to that level yet. She's a YouTube creation. Granted, she did it herself, and I respect that. I mean, shit, she's from my hood. But she need to do some more work before she gets "big". A lot of her lyrics are still pretty weak, too.

Whatever, I think maybe I'm just not adjusted to the 2-5 year lifespan of a pop artist these days. She'll be come and gone before it even matters. shrug

I like her. She's fun. "Gucci Gucci" was a blast and I liked another track she did called ""Rich Whores" a lot too. I was wondering what she was up to and who she might be working with.

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