Will be sure to check it out!

This belongs in the MJ Sticky!

smoothcriminal12 said:

Bad was the beginning of his end.

duccichucka said:

duccichucka said:

Bad was the beginning of his end.

smoothcriminal12 said:

duccichucka said:

Bad was the beginning of his end.

His a troll

silverchild said:

Please check out our new podcast! [img:$uid]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7109/6954411604_d487ddfe1d_b.jpg[/img:$uid] Classic Albums: Michael Jackson’s Bad 25th Anniversary Special Hello People! We’re back with a new BrandoSoul podcast! In this particular podcast, we will be celebrating the 25th anniversary of Michael Jackson’s 1987 landmark, Bad. We will be offering in-depth insights about the classic album and era that catapulted Michael Jackson into iconic status. I am joined with special co-host, Jesse Jenkins and new guest, Henry Cooper. All MJ fans and music lovers have to get into this epic special. This is one for the HIStory books! Please enjoy, comment, and follow BrandoSoul! Part 1: http://archive.org/detail...ialpartOne Part 2: http://archive.org/detail...ialpartTwo [Edited 4/21/12 19:10pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

duccichucka said:

Bad was the beginning of his end.

That's some bullshit there....

silverchild said:

I don't know if it was the beginning of the end, but it was a definite end of an era.

Silverchild I think your views are interesting can you care to elaborate?

What era are you speaking of? Are you speaking of Michael peaking in popularity or what era? Because I dont understand how an era can be over before it can begins. Michael was at the height of his popularity when BAD came out, so not sure what point your getting at

I would say that Bad was the transition from the "Lover, Not Fighter" phase of Thriller to the "pissed off/Fuck U in sign language" phase of Dangerous.

To me, it was my fave MJ era and it marked a turning point, also, I'm partial to this era because this was the 1st album I ever bought with my money

I'm def gonna check this out.

mjscarousal said:

Didn't MJ want Bad to be a triple-disk set? I would love to here the tracks that didn't make it, if there are some. I'm tired of the same recycled tracks from MJ. Judging by that mess known as "Michael" they don't have many un-released tracks to work with.

Terrib3Towel said:

Harlepolis said:

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

Silverchild I think your views are interesting can you care to elaborate?

What era are you speaking of? Are you speaking of Michael peaking in popularity or what era? Because I dont understand how an era can be over before it can begins. Michael was at the height of his popularity when BAD came out, so not sure what point your getting at

Michael was definitely at the height of his popularity when Bad came out, but when I say that this represented the end of an era, I am talking in the sense that this was his last collabrative effort with Quincy as well as the last time everything worked effortlessly. This was also the last hurrah of his 80s run. Not saying that he wasn't at a high artistically by the time albums like Dangerous and HIStory came out, but Bad had that perfect quality of a man at the peak of his performing skills, musicianship, and craftsmanship.

I disagree with that because artistically everything went effortlessly with Dangerous and History... and while BAD is ironically my favorite MJ era, Michael showed a tremendous artistic growth on albums like Dangerous and History. With 90s era Michael, Michael showcased HIS creative vision and showed growth as an overall artist that came across effortlessly after breaking away from Quincy. Also performance wise with Dangerous even though thats when he started to lip synch a little.

I do agree that BAD does have a perfect quality about it overall and is my personal favorite MJ era even though there are alot of intricate complicated moves Michael showcases during Dangerous era that he didnt do during BAD.

mjscarousal said:

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree with that because artistically everything went effortlessly with Dangerous and History... and while BAD is ironically my favorite MJ era, Michael showed a tremendous artistic growth on albums like Dangerous and History. With 90s era Michael, Michael showcased HIS creative vision and showed growth as an overall artist that came across effortlessly after breaking away from Quincy. Also performance wise with Dangerous even though thats when he started to lip synch a little.

I do agree that BAD does have a perfect quality about it overall and is my personal favorite MJ era even though there are alot of intricate complicated moves Michael showcases during Dangerous era that he didnt do during BAD.

Like I said, Dangerous and HIStory were definitely major achievements in his artistic career. Those were challenging projects and I think he definitely set the bar high in showcasing his creative vision and growth as an overall artist. But Bad was the end of one era and the search of another. He had really grown weary of Quincy at this time and he was trying to find himself in breaking new ground. He had set the bar so high with both Off The Wall and Thriller in that he had so much to prove with Bad. True, he might've showed different sides of his artistry with later albums post-Bad, but we can't argue with the fact that this was the last time Michael had that

big effect on people(both in the public eye and in his musical career), but the cracks were beginning to show even in this album. By no means is this the beginning of his end. [Edited 4/21/12 20:44pm]

Okay this is what I am confused with. You said before that this was the LAST era that everything worked effortlessly for Michael. I challenged that and then you admitted that in Dangerous and History Michael showed growth but there is another big point I didnt mention. Michael ALSO showed growth on BAD by writing 95 percent of it. BAD sounds NOTHING like THRILLER and continued to dominate as a performer and how HE CHOSE to direct his video visions. ONCE AGAIN, Im still not sure what point your getting and I completely disagree.

This reminds of a similiar debate I had not to long ago when someone argued when Michael peaked. Some argued that it was after Thriller but I argued that that was not accurate because that is exactly when Michaels popularity took off. Michael was rising with Off The Wall, broke out with Thriller and continued that with BAD and so forth. I completely disagree with BAD being the LAST time he had an effect on people because BAD is what made Michael a force to be reckon with and he forever continued that although controversies worsen but it was that way with BAD as well. Michael still won grammys and still received recognition for HIS MUSICAL achievement and performances. I would argue AFTER HISTORY thats when it changed. I do agree after BAD it was a defining moment because he had to show that he was a real artist and can do it on his own and he DID. He could have did without Quincy for all three of those albums if he wanted by that time Michael had been in the biz long enough to do so.

[Edited 4/21/12 20:59pm]

I'd say that "Bad" might be viewed as the beginning of the end because it was his first album to be released as a corporate juggernaut, rather than simply as a kid that knew how to be a good song and dance man with a flair for the spectacular.

Yes, most of the songs were very good, but you can feel how calculated it is, even moreso than Thriller, which would go on to plague later albums to an even greater extent. The album was extremely successful, as were the singles, but this is where it starts to feel like things are running on auto-pilot and everything has been planned out all the way down to the number of buckles and pieces of fringe hanging off of his spandex and leather jumpsuit.

Great album hampered by a few duds, and some top-notch singles. But it's the first album put out by Michael Jackson the Brand rather than Michael Jackson the entertainer and there's a certain calculated soullessness at its heart, despite containing some top-notch pop.

wonder what it would have been like if Prince decided to go on & do the duet of "Bad" with him at Quincy's request.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

mjscarousal said:

silverchild said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

wonder what it would have been like if Prince decided to go on & do the duet of "Bad" with him at Quincy's request.

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That would've been the demise of Prince's career.

He wished. Rest his soul...

IMO Jacons 2nd best after Off The Wall, Dangerous is eh, History is pretty good & Thriller is eh to me to. But i do love Bad, lots of good songs on it.

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

Okay this is what I am confused with. You said before that this was the LAST era that everything worked effortlessly for Michael. I challenged that and then you admitted that in Dangerous and History Michael showed growth but there is another big point I didnt mention. Michael ALSO showed growth on BAD by writing 95 percent of it. BAD sounds NOTHING like THRILLER and continued to dominate as a performer and how HE CHOSE to direct his video visions. ONCE AGAIN, Im still not sure what point your getting and I completely disagree.

This reminds of a similiar debate I had not to long ago when someone argued when Michael peaked. Some argued that it was after Thriller but I argued that that was not accurate because that is exactly when Michaels popularity took off. Michael was rising with Off The Wall, broke out with Thriller and continued that with BAD and so forth. I completely disagree with BAD being the LAST time he had an effect on people because BAD is what made Michael a force to be reckon with and he forever continued that although controversies worsen but it was that way with BAD as well. Michael still won grammys and still received recognition for HIS MUSICAL achievement and performances. I would argue AFTER HISTORY thats when it changed. I do agree after BAD it was a defining moment because he had to show that he was a real artist and can do it on his own and he DID. He could have did without Quincy for all three of those albums if he wanted by that time Michael had been in the biz long enough to do so.

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It's funny that you say that Bad was the peak of Michael's popularity. I personally consider '83-'84 to be Michael/Thriller-mania. By the time Bad came out, Michael's popularity was already in orbit, but the landscape of popular music had changed by that time. I'm not saying MJ's public hype and popularity waned, but people started to look at him in a different light. Not once did I say that the hysteria of MJ waned, but some just started to move on from Michael at that time. Bad was definitely the album that gave him more independence and freedom in the studio, without Quincy and others riding his back. He wrote 9 out of the 11 cuts of that album, which is an awesome achievement in itself.

Yea I agree because thats when the controversies first began. I understand your points a little better and agree. Let me re-state my thoughts because sometimes I can be unclear. Well I think with Thriller, Michael was huge but some people argue his popularity died down after Thriller going into BAD. My point was Thriller is when his popularity really took off and it continued with BAD and just continued . Honestly, I think AFTER HIStory that is when Michaels popularity started to show obvious decrease but I definitly agree with some of your perspectives and find them to be interesting even the ones I dont agree with completely. :lol :

mjscarousal said:

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea I agree because thats when the controversies first began. I understand your points a little better and agree. Let me re-state my thoughts because sometimes I can be unclear. Well I think with Thriller, Michael was huge but some people argue his popularity died down after Thriller going into BAD. My point was Thriller is when his popularity really took off and it continued with BAD and just continued . Honestly, I think AFTER HIStory that is when Michaels popularity started to show obvious decrease but I definitly agree with some of your perspectives and find them to be interesting even the ones I dont agree with completely. :lol :

I think the crossroads to Michael's career came in '92-'93. Those years changed Michael's career forever. It seemed like Dangerous was taking off so fast and it kind've died slowly, especially during the first molestation allegations. Sad case. Michael's popularity was still big, but his reputation was in a deep decline by that time. [Edited 4/21/12 22:34pm]

Oh yesss I was borned in 92 so I wouldnt know specifically but things definitly changed drastically after the first allegations unfortunately