petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

I wouldn't blame it all on ideology but just the warped thinking of those who for a long tme have been in power and have made the rules. Why would a man think of a woman as something dutiful as opposed to pleasurable and in the same vein fault, scold and punish that woman for seeking her own sexual pleasure with another man?

I digress yet again...

Julius Ceasar once tried to make it a law that he could have sex with any woman, even the wives of other senators. Why would he do that? Some boys just want their cake and want to eat it too.

As for men throughout history not applying gay or straight titles to themselves, I think its because they never had to because they made the rules but trust and believe they have always been quick to label a woman a whore for every reason under the sun.

I go back to my original point about too many men being batshit when it comes to sex. Those same prison dudes that will rape a man and say they aren't gay are the same ones that will kill a dude for being out and gay. Shit they may even rape a child. Just a warped sense of sexual entitlement.

As for El, I would like to think he was safe but given his good looks, being used to abuse during his childhood, and the way most prison rapists think....I find it hard to believe nothing ever happened to him whether he was in or out of the "celebrity" wing of the prison.

I've also heard on the org from someone who knew the debarges that one of the brothers raped another brother. Crazy shit but when you're crazy for dominance it goes past sex. It goes to humiliation and control. Rape activists always say it's about power. Just like the rest of America. We're bombing the hell out of other countries, taking oil and justifying it because we think we have some god given right. But at the end of the day, we want total power and control.

Yeah but if you bustin' a nut and climaxin' it is not just about power. You just like that shit. You like the way it feels. I understand that for political purposes we must paint things in a different light but IRL people do shit cuz they ENJOY it on a physical AND psychological level. Get's their dick hard excuse my francais.

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Cinnamon234 said:

Well it sounds like this could have been a misunderstanding, but El relapsed just last year so nothing would surprise me. He's one i've been worried about for some time. I really hope El stays off drugs. He's too talented and too damn fine for that! Lol Sorry, that's shallow but I loooooooove me some El and I wish the best for him. I don't want to hear about any more of our legends passing away at a young age. I hope all is well with him.

Shallow or not...word! El don't need to keep all that hotness locked up w/ only a bunch of jailbirds getting to enjoy it!

HotGritz said:

petes2 said:

I've also heard on the org from someone who knew the debarges that one of the brothers raped another brother. Crazy shit but when you're crazy for dominance it goes past sex. It goes to humiliation and control. Rape activists always say it's about power. Just like the rest of America. We're bombing the hell out of other countries, taking oil and justifying it because we think we have some god given right. But at the end of the day, we want total power and control.

Yeah but if you bustin' a nut and climaxin' it is not just about power. You just like that shit. You like the way it feels. I understand that for political purposes we must paint things in a different light but IRL people do shit cuz they ENJOY it on a physical AND psychological level. Get's their dick hard excuse my francais.

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I don't know, what about these creeps that go out and rape 90 year old women? That has to be more than physical attraction. And hearing that a debarge raped a debarge seems to be along the lines of humiliating one, nothing is less sexually attractive than siblings to me. I've heard Paul Mooney raped his own son from a source close to Richard Pryor and you know what? When you consider how bitter and prideful that man is, it just doesn't seem that farfetched. Hopefully it's just talking shit.

brooksie said:

MadamGoodnight said:

El caught a break. How U out slangin' rock in broad daylight in Encino? Really? Might as well have been standing in front of Hayvenhurst?

He still needs some serious help, he's not gonna be so lucky the next time.

That just reads so funny.

For us non Californians, was this close to MJ's? The whole underpass thing sounds so shady yet exposed. Was the choice incompentence on El's part or how things roll out there? It just sounds like he shoulda had a big ol sign saying "WIll Sing for Crack"

(OK I had to clown El a bit, tho I'm rocking out "Tip O My Tongue" right now )

The 101 Fwy is one direction from Ventura Blvd., the big homes where the Jackson house is, goes in the other direction. But hey, close enough. It's still Encino, not known as a crack den. Pretty ballsy I'd say. No wonder they got popped.

** will sing 4 crack, U ain't right!

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petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

Yeah but if you bustin' a nut and climaxin' it is not just about power. You just like that shit. You like the way it feels. I understand that for political purposes we must paint things in a different light but IRL people do shit cuz they ENJOY it on a physical AND psychological level. Get's their dick hard excuse my francais.

[Edited 3/22/12 15:36pm]

I don't know, what about these creeps that go out and rape 90 year old women? That has to be more than physical attraction. And hearing that a debarge raped a debarge seems to be along the lines of humiliating one, nothing is less sexually attractive than siblings to me. I've heard Paul Mooney raped his own son from a source close to Richard Pryor and you know what? When you consider how bitter and prideful that man is, it just doesn't seem that farfetched. Hopefully it's just talking shit.

Those creeps that rape 90 year old women are few and far between and a lot of times they ass rape those women which means they are seeking some sick form of sexual gratification cuz in their minds they already know granny aint tight down there no mo. They had a guy in Cali a few years back raping old ladies in nursing homes (he worked there) and a bouple of his victims suffered severe dementia so they weren't even fully aware. That aint power tripping if you know your victim is in a vegetative state.

People who rape have been known to rape family first and given that they learned it from their father, and possibly mother, I'm sickened and saddened but not surprised about the incest. You and I wouldn't look at siblings that way but there are many people who would. Shit you got people out there fuckin' their cousins. Cousins are like siblings aren't they?

Ok now you can't tell me Paul Mooney raped his son. I caint!!!!! Tell me he gay, tell me he was a pimp, tell me he's into sexual affixiation, tell me he is republican, tell me have given his life over to budhism and selling bottle caps, tell me anything but that! Not Mr. Mooney dayum!

^ they meaning the DeBarges.

brooksie said:

This might sound horribly superficial, but most guys have never had a woman as hot as El De Barge! If they had a shot, who knows what might happen?! El's that purty!

Sorry, but ya know it's true!

You ain't lying! Some of these pretty men make 'em wanna switch teams! Remember Jamie Foxx said he couldn't look Prince in the eye in his stand up. I haven't looked at Jamie the same since. Hell, I don't put nothing past nobody.

Jamie: I couldn't look him in his eyes...this pretty bitch cute as a muthafukka! I challenge any dude to look in his eyes and not feel some kinda shit!

HotGritz said:

petes2 said:

I don't know, what about these creeps that go out and rape 90 year old women? That has to be more than physical attraction. And hearing that a debarge raped a debarge seems to be along the lines of humiliating one, nothing is less sexually attractive than siblings to me. I've heard Paul Mooney raped his own son from a source close to Richard Pryor and you know what? When you consider how bitter and prideful that man is, it just doesn't seem that farfetched. Hopefully it's just talking shit.

Those creeps that rape 90 year old women are few and far between and a lot of times they ass rape those women which means they are seeking some sick form of sexual gratification cuz in their minds they already know granny aint tight down there no mo. They had a guy in Cali a few years back raping old ladies in nursing homes (he worked there) and a bouple of his victims suffered severe dementia so they weren't even fully aware. That aint power tripping if you know your victim is in a vegetative state.

People who rape have been known to rape family first and given that they learned it from their father, and possibly mother, I'm sickened and saddened but not surprised about the incest. You and I wouldn't look at siblings that way but there are many people who would. Shit you got people out there fuckin' their cousins. Cousins are like siblings aren't they?

Ok now you can't tell me Paul Mooney raped his son. I caint!!!!! Tell me he gay, tell me he was a pimp, tell me he's into sexual affixiation, tell me he is republican, tell me have given his life over to budhism and selling bottle caps, tell me anything but that! Not Mr. Mooney dayum!

I hear ya, I've been following Mooney for over 20 years and have great respect for him. In fact, unless I'm broke I'll see him next week when he's here. But, you just never know, people do crazy shit and slavery and colonization has made both the black and indian half insane.

petes2 said:

I've also heard on the org from someone who knew the debarges that one of the brothers raped another brother. Crazy shit but when you're crazy for dominance it goes past sex. It goes to humiliation and control. Rape activists always say it's about power. Just like the rest of America. We're bombing the hell out of other countries, taking oil and justifying it because we think we have some god given right. But at the end of the day, we want total power and control.

Unfortunately that's TRUE if you believe Tommy's version (he says Bobby). The rumor you refer to is the Vandross tour, right?

petes2 said:

HotGritz said:

Those creeps that rape 90 year old women are few and far between and a lot of times they ass rape those women which means they are seeking some sick form of sexual gratification cuz in their minds they already know granny aint tight down there no mo. They had a guy in Cali a few years back raping old ladies in nursing homes (he worked there) and a bouple of his victims suffered severe dementia so they weren't even fully aware. That aint power tripping if you know your victim is in a vegetative state.

People who rape have been known to rape family first and given that they learned it from their father, and possibly mother, I'm sickened and saddened but not surprised about the incest. You and I wouldn't look at siblings that way but there are many people who would. Shit you got people out there fuckin' their cousins. Cousins are like siblings aren't they?

Ok now you can't tell me Paul Mooney raped his son. I caint!!!!! Tell me he gay, tell me he was a pimp, tell me he's into sexual affixiation, tell me he is republican, tell me have given his life over to budhism and selling bottle caps, tell me anything but that! Not Mr. Mooney dayum!

I hear ya, I've been following Mooney for over 20 years and have great respect for him. In fact, unless I'm broke I'll see him next week when he's here. But, you just never know, people do crazy shit and slavery and colonization has made both the black and indian half insane.

brooksie you are awesome! speakin' the truth. dehuminization is real and carries forward to generation after generation. that's why I wish death upon child abusers/rapists and have no tolerance for drug pushers cuz i know their victims don't fully recover and the cycle goes on and on.

brooksie said:

petes2 said:

I've also heard on the org from someone who knew the debarges that one of the brothers raped another brother. Crazy shit but when you're crazy for dominance it goes past sex. It goes to humiliation and control. Rape activists always say it's about power. Just like the rest of America. We're bombing the hell out of other countries, taking oil and justifying it because we think we have some god given right. But at the end of the day, we want total power and control.

Unfortunately that's TRUE if you believe Tommy's version (he says Bobby). The rumor you refer to is the Vandross tour, right?

oh i can't remember specifics like that. but hard to forget brother raping brother thing.utter insanity.

petes2 said:

brooksie said:

Unfortunately that's TRUE if you believe Tommy's version (he says Bobby). The rumor you refer to is the Vandross tour, right?

oh i can't remember specifics like that. but hard to forget brother raping brother thing.utter insanity.

Oh and let's not forget that police are not above planting shit. those of us in the know, know it happens and has happened to us and people we know. I find it a bit suspicious that they found drugs, got a guy to admit and still don't press charges.

petes2 said:

Oh and let's not forget that police are not above planting shit. those of us in the know, know it happens and has happened to us and people we know. I find it a bit suspicious that they found drugs, got a guy to admit and still don't press charges.

El should take this as a hint and clean his life up.

petes2 said:

Oh and let's not forget that police are not above planting shit. those of us in the know, know it happens and has happened to us and people we know. I find it a bit suspicious that they found drugs, got a guy to admit and still don't press charges.

I agree... like I said, hopefully El sees this as a wake-up call.

El should joing a monastery in Tibet somewhere and just isolate himself from the bullshit. Get on a good diet and exercise regimine, drink nothing but water and meditate. Seriously, as long as he is in the business and around family and so called friends, he will keep on using and abusing.

petes2 said:

Oh and let's not forget that police are not above planting shit. those of us in the know, know it happens and has happened to us and people we know. I find it a bit suspicious that they found drugs, got a guy to admit and still don't press charges.

Nah I love El and all, but he's hardly a Stone or a Beatle! There's no Srgt Pilcher (yup his real name ) in El's sitch.

El just lucked up...that's all.

HotGritz said:

El should joing a monastery in Tibet somewhere and just isolate himself from the bullshit. Get on a good diet and exercise regimine, drink nothing but water and meditate. Seriously, as long as he is in the business and around family and so called friends, he will keep on using and abusing.

Don't wish that on Tibet! What'll happen, sure as night follows day, is that his family will follow. MamaD, Peaches, Bunny and 'em. The story of Peaches moving to Baltimore is kinda legendary!

As for the fare, they'll find it!

brooksie said:

HotGritz said:

El should joing a monastery in Tibet somewhere and just isolate himself from the bullshit. Get on a good diet and exercise regimine, drink nothing but water and meditate. Seriously, as long as he is in the business and around family and so called friends, he will keep on using and abusing.

Don't wish that on Tibet! What'll happen, sure as night follows day, is that his family will follow. MamaD, Peaches, Bunny and 'em. The story of Peaches moving to Baltimore is kinda legendary!

As for the fare, they'll find it!

The DeBarges surely have a detection alarm in their brains somewhere.

Gawd damn.

HotGritz said:

brooksie said:

In 1986, it was an assault charge that had something to do w/ him hitting a girl who claimed he forced her and then some kind of ruckus breaking out at the college w/ serious damage. Wild shit...sounded totally like crap........THEN!

It was a crazy case (or it seemed at the time). I mean 'why would El have to force himself on someone' then at the height of his fame was the general feeling.?! I recall this scandal happening around the time of "You Wear It Well" and when he was on "Fact of Life".

The domestic violence charges came later...IIRC one in 2001 and one in 2007 (I'm sure of that one).

I can't imagine El having to rape a woman UNLESS....he was in one of his cracked out moments and the woman simply deemed him unattractive and dangerous at that particular point in time. I mean I would have slept with the "normal" El on many an occasion but I could never get down with the "crackhead" El simply because its scary and unsafe. Maybe he was so used to getting the pussy that he couldn't handle being rejected.

I still have a hard time accepting that Jackie Wilson raped Patti Labelle. But I believe her.

brooksie said:

petes2 said:

Oh and let's not forget that police are not above planting shit. those of us in the know, know it happens and has happened to us and people we know. I find it a bit suspicious that they found drugs, got a guy to admit and still don't press charges.

Nah I love El and all, but he's hardly a Stone or a Beatle! There's no Srgt Pilcher (yup his real name ) in El's sitch.

El just lucked up...that's all.

ok,but I had a best friend who the cops were silly enough to put a huge rock right on his dashboard and try to tell his superior he found it there. It happens, don't kid yourself.

Like a moth to a flame burned by the fire...

petes2 said:

brooksie said:

Well he was put in the celeb part of the jail, but there's plenty of ways around that starting w/ guards themselves. He said a guard picked him out of a chow line, made him sing (he chose Rhythm ), and then dogged him in front of everybody....that's not a good thing!

El's a purty little yella guy but hella tough (see that Quik vid for how he fronted a much bigger dude...who backed down) so I think he could at least give a good fight if pushed. However, perhaps he took the more pragmatic route and chose the right Bubba.

As I said earlier, El had several brothers do time before him, so he knew what to expect and how to roll...in theory.

IOW, do I think he escaped "unwanted attention"? ...nope.

Lots of guys outside of prison don't get enough poon and we all don't turn gay so I think the prison thing is more about an assertion of power and a part of the accepted norm. My best-friend who knows people who spent time in prison said that they just don't talk about those things when they get out. My beliefs are that Americans can't even treat each other fairly in the everyday world, you remove all rights and it's the law of the jungle.

right.

It is just like what happened in prison is no reflection to who they really are regardless if the where the weak one who got raped and stopped fighting it, or if they were the sexual agressor.

I think this because I know acquaintances who think getting a blow job from a man (strung out prostitute) does not make him gay or bi. That a BJ is a BJ is a BJ.

petes2 said:

brooksie said:

Nah I love El and all, but he's hardly a Stone or a Beatle! There's no Srgt Pilcher (yup his real name ) in El's sitch.

El just lucked up...that's all.

ok,but I had a best friend who the cops were silly enough to put a huge rock right on his dashboard and try to tell his superior he found it there. It happens, don't kid yourself.

Look I know such things happen, but it kind of stretches credibility that it happened in this case. The De Barge men have a very long record of dealing as well as using...I'm not trying to be in denial about that even tho I'm a fan.

These cats got some real old school Jelly Roll Morton type shit goin' on, so why try to shift from the improbable to the comforting conspiracy theory?

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

Don't wish that on Tibet! What'll happen, sure as night follows day, is that his family will follow. MamaD, Peaches, Bunny and 'em. The story of Peaches moving to Baltimore is kinda legendary!

As for the fare, they'll find it!

The DeBarges surely have a detection alarm in their brains somewhere.

I think it's broken! Seriously Timmy, they just can't seem to leave each other alone...in so many ways! Ain't none of them gonna get right unless they stand on their own two, but they seem to be crabs in a barrel w/ MamaD as lead crabette!

brooksie said:

petes2 said:

ok,but I had a best friend who the cops were silly enough to put a huge rock right on his dashboard and try to tell his superior he found it there. It happens, don't kid yourself.

Look I know such things happen, but it kind of stretches credibility that it happened in this case. The De Barge men have a very long record of dealing as well as using...I'm not trying to be in denial about that even tho I'm a fan.

These cats got some real old school Jelly Roll Morton type shit goin' on, so why try to shift from the improbable to the comforting conspiracy theory?

NOT, JUST SAYING IT HAPPENS.and of ocurse you're correct in that he shows all the patterns for the crime. cept, i didn't know he was no dealer, just a user.

petes2 said:

brooksie said:

Look I know such things happen, but it kind of stretches credibility that it happened in this case. The De Barge men have a very long record of dealing as well as using...I'm not trying to be in denial about that even tho I'm a fan.

These cats got some real old school Jelly Roll Morton type shit goin' on, so why try to shift from the improbable to the comforting conspiracy theory?

NOT, JUST SAYING IT HAPPENS.and of ocurse you're correct in that he shows all the patterns for the crime. cept, i didn't know he was no dealer, just a user.

To tell the honest truth, I WANT to be in denial about this. I understand addiction and even some people ending up doing stuff they otherwise wouldn't to feed their habit. However I'm shocked that El's been caught w/ his hand in the cookie jar like this. Has he been ripped off or something? That's happened to him before too. I guess I'm processing this still.

MadamGoodnight said:

You ain't lying! Some of these pretty men make 'em wanna switch teams! Remember Jamie Foxx said he couldn't look Prince in the eye in his stand up. I haven't looked at Jamie the same since. Hell, I don't put nothing past nobody.

Jamie: I couldn't look him in his eyes...this pretty bitch cute as a muthafukka! I challenge any dude to look in his eyes and not feel some kinda shit!

brooksie said:

HotGritz said:

El should joing a monastery in Tibet somewhere and just isolate himself from the bullshit. Get on a good diet and exercise regimine, drink nothing but water and meditate. Seriously, as long as he is in the business and around family and so called friends, he will keep on using and abusing.

Don't wish that on Tibet! What'll happen, sure as night follows day, is that his family will follow. MamaD, Peaches, Bunny and 'em. The story of Peaches moving to Baltimore is kinda legendary!

As for the fare, they'll find it!

That is funny. I agree with HotGritz - Tibet or Timbuk 2. I think he tried a mini version of this when he moved in with his manager and his wife. But the addict in him knew dang well what

it was doing, and that he would be near enough to the crackety crack when El had a vulnerable moment. El was delusional by choice. We hear what we want to hear a lot of the time.