brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

But on the serious tip, Whitney said she felt Bobby made her be "herself" and not "Whitney Houston". I don't think someone who lived as closeted in their childhood and adulthood as Jermaine would've allowed that... Bobby was more "real" so she picked him because of that. Plus Jermaine was married and Whitney had to have known that. I'm guessing once she began to get the 411 on Jermaine she cut him loose before Jermaine REALLY made a move on her.

Bobby has "swag" and Jermaine doesn't...let's just be real! Bobby also seems very open minded and probably not even phased by Whitney's thing for women (red Robin Crawford). Methinks Jermaine's ego couldn't have handled a woman having so much more fame/money than he did, let alone her complicated sexuality. He seems too much like a male chauvanist.

In '84-85 Jermaine didn't look to be wanting to leave Hazel either...no matter how much he played around. The whole Margaret thing years later is what forced the sitch. Whatever happened or not between him and Whitney would have been a limited thing no matter what.

Once Whitney's career blew up, she went on her own thing and didn't look back at Jermaine's sorry ass...as much as I can recall. Whitney and Jermaine seems even more manfactured now than it did then. Meh.

Whitney did say Bobby had style when they met lol

purple05 said:

lowkey said:

actually when janet and rene divorce was made public reebie's name was listed on janet's expense items. she was giving her something like 10,000 a month, marlon's name was also on there

Yep thats true. She was giving Rebbie and Marlon 10,000 or 15,000 monthly. It was also one more person listed and I thnk it was Rebbies husband. People always talk about MJ taking care of the family, I wonder how much Janet has contributed especially since in recent years MJ could barley pay his own bills.

Has La Toya been known to stump up? She's got plenty of bread.

Timmy84 said:

Whitney did say Bobby had style when they met lol

He did. His career was flamin' HOT then. Jermaine never had a solo career as hot as Bobby did. As much as Whit got clowned for her "Kang of RnB" stuff, during his heyday (say 88-92 or so) this was probably true for his gen of performers.

He was one of the best stage performers out there at the time and he could probably be well judged against earlier gens.

purple05 said:

lowkey said:

actually when janet and rene divorce was made public reebie's name was listed on janet's expense items. she was giving her something like 10,000 a month, marlon's name was also on there

Yep thats true. She was giving Rebbie and Marlon 10,000 or 15,000 monthly. It was also one more person listed and I thnk it was Rebbies husband. People always talk about MJ taking care of the family, I wonder how much Janet has contributed especially since in recent years MJ could barley pay his own bills.

I know Janet paid the whole staff of Neverlands salary during that last MJ trial he had..

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

Whitney did say Bobby had style when they met lol

He did. His career was flamin' HOT then. Jermaine never had a solo career as hot as Bobby did. As much as Whit got clowned for her "Kang of RnB" stuff, during his heyday (say 88-92 or so) this was probably true for his gen of performers.

He was one of the best stage performers out there at the time and he could probably be well judged against earlier gens.

brooksie said:

purple05 said:

Yep thats true. She was giving Rebbie and Marlon 10,000 or 15,000 monthly. It was also one more person listed and I thnk it was Rebbies husband. People always talk about MJ taking care of the family, I wonder how much Janet has contributed especially since in recent years MJ could barley pay his own bills.

Has La Toya been known to stump up? She's got plenty of bread.

Not that I know of, but she may give a few coins here and there. LaToya seems to pretty well off. Say what you want about her she seems to have always been pretty self sufficient.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

purple05 said:

Yep thats true. She was giving Rebbie and Marlon 10,000 or 15,000 monthly. It was also one more person listed and I thnk it was Rebbies husband. People always talk about MJ taking care of the family, I wonder how much Janet has contributed especially since in recent years MJ could barley pay his own bills.

I know Janet paid the whole staff of Neverlands salary during that last MJ trial he had..

WOW!!! That was soo sweet of her. Especially since I know if tables were turned, he would help her out. Also the fact that he has supported many of them and many many many other people for yearssss.....

Pfhh! Janet's been carrying that family for a long time...just as MJ did.

purplethunder3121 said:

Pfhh! Janet's been carrying that family for a long time...just as MJ did.

I know she has been helping pay especially once she started making real money and others income decreased. My thing is I feel that MJ has made more money than her but he is also more generous than her when it comes to taking tabs for people. I just wander how much more she took on once MJs finances started to decline. MJ seemed like he would cut you a check just so you could shut up and go away and Janet would just tell you to shut up and go away period lol.

This trick needs to sit down and shut up...*kissteeth*

purple05 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I know Janet paid the whole staff of Neverlands salary during that last MJ trial he had..

WOW!!! That was soo sweet of her. Especially since I know if tables were turned, he would help her out. Also the fact that he has supported many of them and many many many other people for yearssss.....

She had her brothers back.When the press got a hold of the info that the staff of Neverland was not being paid during MJ's trial, they started really destroying MJ's character.Saying he was flat broke. Janet whipped out that check book & shut them all up.

I also believe her Superbowl per4mance was a way to distract the attention from her brother when the press was all on him & it worked. But it backfired on her..But now she is back on top & the sole Jackson superstar. Sorry La Toya U will never reach Janet's level U or Jermaine..

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Well seeing how Jermaine loves the ladies and has been/slept with many of them, he probably was doing that same move and then some when he was gettin his freak on. Just not on stage in front of an audience

Whitney STILL wouldn't let him near her pussy. Let's get REAL.

How do you know she wouldnt let him near her kitty? I dont see why its hard to believe that she and Jermy may have had a romantic fling. The rumors about them two having a fling are not new, they've been goin around for years. For me, its not that hard to believe it--they did work closely together recording duets, I think the plan was also for Jermaine to help introduce her to the public. Their relationship could have started out as strictly professional and eventually turned into romantic/sexual. Dont forget, Jermaine is a womanizer and likes romancing women, especially good looking ones

And although the way Jermaine looks now is...well ....back in the day he was very handsome, he was even teen heartthrob material in the 70s! So you have a good looking man who is famous and from a famous family taking an interest in her career, her talent and in HER, who's to say that she wouldnt have fallen for him. At that time she was young, maybe a bit naive and probably excited to be working closely with Hollywood royalty. And they did have chemistry together. By the time Bobby came around she was older, more worldly-wise, and her tastes in men may have changed. Just my

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Whitney STILL wouldn't let him near her pussy. Let's get REAL.

How do you know she wouldnt let him near her kitty? I dont see why its hard to believe that she and Jermy may have had a romantic fling. The rumors about them two having a fling are not new, they've been goin around for years. For me, its not that hard to believe it--they did work closely together recording duets, I think the plan was also for Jermaine to help introduce her to the public. Their relationship could have started out as strictly professional and eventually turned into romantic/sexual. Dont forget, Jermaine is a womanizer and likes romancing women, especially good looking ones

And although the way Jermaine looks now is...well ....back in the day he was very handsome, he was even teen heartthrob material in the 70s! So you have a good looking man who is famous and from a famous family taking an interest in her career, her talent and in HER, who's to say that she wouldnt have fallen for him. At that time she was young, maybe a bit naive and probably excited to be working closely with Hollywood royalty. And they did have chemistry together. By the time Bobby came around she was older, more worldly-wise, and her tastes in men may have changed. Just my

Whitney and Jermaine only had one thing in common: famous families. That's it. It's like imagining if she and Michael had hooked up. Still wouldn't have worked.

Margaret and Hazel were preggo at the same time. Their babies were born months apart. Jermaine was out there.

purplethunder3121 said:

Pfhh! Janet's been carrying that family for a long time...just as MJ did.

They were trying to do the right thing by the kids of their brothers.

cues up Wanna Be Staring Something

if u can't feed your baby, (yeah yeah)

then don't have a baby (yeah yeah)

MadamGoodnight said:

Margaret and Hazel were preggo at the same time. Their babies were born months apart. Jermaine was out there.

Yeah, the baby boys were about 3 months apart. (Hazel's 1st and then Margaret's) That was years after the alleged Whitney affair tho and clearly Jermaine was going thru some deep early mid-life crisis when this happened, if Margaret's description is accurate.

Sad to say, it's not uncommon for men to cheat on their pregnant wives...Jermaine just was less cautious about it than most are.

MadamGoodnight said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Pfhh! Janet's been carrying that family for a long time...just as MJ did.

They were trying to do the right thing by the kids of their brothers.

cues up Wanna Be Staring Something

if u can't feed your baby, (yeah yeah)

then don't have a baby (yeah yeah)

Shit Michael tried to tell 'em!!!

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

How do you know she wouldnt let him near her kitty? I dont see why its hard to believe that she and Jermy may have had a romantic fling. The rumors about them two having a fling are not new, they've been goin around for years. For me, its not that hard to believe it--they did work closely together recording duets, I think the plan was also for Jermaine to help introduce her to the public. Their relationship could have started out as strictly professional and eventually turned into romantic/sexual. Dont forget, Jermaine is a womanizer and likes romancing women, especially good looking ones

And although the way Jermaine looks now is...well ....back in the day he was very handsome, he was even teen heartthrob material in the 70s! So you have a good looking man who is famous and from a famous family taking an interest in her career, her talent and in HER, who's to say that she wouldnt have fallen for him. At that time she was young, maybe a bit naive and probably excited to be working closely with Hollywood royalty. And they did have chemistry together. By the time Bobby came around she was older, more worldly-wise, and her tastes in men may have changed. Just my

Whitney and Jermaine only had one thing in common: famous families. That's it. It's like imagining if she and Michael had hooked up. Still wouldn't have worked.

Well it was only a brief fling, not a long term relationship

Margaret and Hazel were preggo at the same time. Their babies were born months apart. Jermaine was out there.

He sure was. Jermaine was a male skank!

brooksie said:

MadamGoodnight said:

Margaret and Hazel were preggo at the same time. Their babies were born months apart. Jermaine was out there.

Yeah, the baby boys were about 3 months apart. (Hazel's 1st and then Margaret's) That was years after the alleged Whitney affair tho and clearly Jermaine was going thru some deep early mid-life crisis when this happened, if Margaret's description is accurate.

Sad to say, it's not uncommon for men to cheat on their pregnant wives...Jermaine just was less cautious about it than most are.

Jermaine's dick should've went through a midlife crisis.

Didn't LaToya write a book saying how Joseph would molest her and her sisters, but then she said it was all a lie?

Terrib3Towel said:

Didn't LaToya write a book saying how Joseph would molest her and her sisters, but then she said it was all a lie?

Nah she said it on one of the talk shows in the '90s, I forget if it was Donahue or Sally Jessy Raphael but that's when she said that she and Rebbie were molested. I don't know if she mentioned Janet but she did mentioned that Rebbie was sexually molested then Joe started molesting her (La Toya). La Toya has since said that was a lie.

Timmy84 said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Didn't LaToya write a book saying how Joseph would molest her and her sisters, but then she said it was all a lie?

Nah she said it on one of the talk shows in the '90s, I forget if it was Donahue or Sally Jessy Raphael but that's when she said that she and Rebbie were molested. I don't know if she mentioned Janet but she did mentioned that Rebbie was sexually molested then Joe started molesting her (La Toya). La Toya has since said that was a lie.

She stated that both she and Rebbie were molested in her book, but she made it very clear that she was unsure about Janet in that regard. She didn't say a definite no or yes about Janet, but was firm about herself and Rebbie. She pointed out that their sleeping arrangements enable the sitch.

She did state that Joe physically abused Katherine. I think people had suspected this for a long time, but she basically confirmed the preception of him as overall tyrant.

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah she said it on one of the talk shows in the '90s, I forget if it was Donahue or Sally Jessy Raphael but that's when she said that she and Rebbie were molested. I don't know if she mentioned Janet but she did mentioned that Rebbie was sexually molested then Joe started molesting her (La Toya). La Toya has since said that was a lie.

She stated that both she and Rebbie were molested in her book, but she made it very clear that she was unsure about Janet in that regard. She didn't say a definite no or yes about Janet, but was firm about herself and Rebbie. She pointed out that their sleeping arrangements enable the sitch.

She did state that Joe physically abused Katherine. I think people had suspected this for a long time, but she basically confirmed the preception of him as overall tyrant.

Did she mention the molestation in her book or did she mention it only on the talk shows? I cant recall, but I remember reading somewhere that Latoya didnt mention any molestation in the book, only physical abuse, and later talked about the molestation when she did interviews on talk shows

[Edited 3/9/12 10:42am]

Terrib3Towel said:

Didn't LaToya write a book saying how Joseph would molest her and her sisters, but then she said it was all a lie?

No. She said that Jack Gordon brainwashed and physically intimidated her into saying these things. That's not quite the same as her saying she was lying. She was using him to excuse her actions which she seems to have later regretted.

Gordon was def shady, but I think he only worked w/ what he got. He was hardly a Svengali pulling her strings, she was clearly more than willing. If anything, he seemed dominated by her, from what I observed.

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah she said it on one of the talk shows in the '90s, I forget if it was Donahue or Sally Jessy Raphael but that's when she said that she and Rebbie were molested. I don't know if she mentioned Janet but she did mentioned that Rebbie was sexually molested then Joe started molesting her (La Toya). La Toya has since said that was a lie.

She stated that both she and Rebbie were molested in her book, but she made it very clear that she was unsure about Janet in that regard. She didn't say a definite no or yes about Janet, but was firm about herself and Rebbie. She pointed out that their sleeping arrangements enable the sitch.

She did state that Joe physically abused Katherine. I think people had suspected this for a long time, but she basically confirmed the preception of him as overall tyrant.

Hmm I gotta read the book again because I don't recall her saying she was sexually molested in the book, just in interviews with talk shows where she promoted the book. She did say Joe physically abuse Katherine though. Michael mentioned it to her.

NaughtyKitty said:

brooksie said:

She stated that both she and Rebbie were molested in her book, but she made it very clear that she was unsure about Janet in that regard. She didn't say a definite no or yes about Janet, but was firm about herself and Rebbie. She pointed out that their sleeping arrangements enable the sitch.

She did state that Joe physically abused Katherine. I think people had suspected this for a long time, but she basically confirmed the preception of him as overall tyrant.

Did she mention the molestation in her book or did she mention it only on the talk shows? I cant recall, but I remember reading somewhere that Latoya didnt mention any molestation in the book, only physical abuse, and later talked about the molestation when she did interviews on talk shows

[Edited 3/9/12 10:42am]

Yes she mentioned it in the book. Tho it's been a long time since I've read it, I specifically recall her writing about the sleeping arrangements which enabled it in such a tiny house. The boys slept on bunks in 1 room, Kat/Joe/whatever infant in another, and she/Rebbie on a pull out sofa in the living room. This arrangement would have given him a measure of privacy AND allowed her to know that Rebbie was also affected.

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

She stated that both she and Rebbie were molested in her book, but she made it very clear that she was unsure about Janet in that regard. She didn't say a definite no or yes about Janet, but was firm about herself and Rebbie. She pointed out that their sleeping arrangements enable the sitch.

She did state that Joe physically abused Katherine. I think people had suspected this for a long time, but she basically confirmed the preception of him as overall tyrant.

Hmm I gotta read the book again because I don't recall her saying she was sexually molested in the book, just in interviews with talk shows where she promoted the book. She did say Joe physically abuse Katherine though. Michael mentioned it to her.

Same here. I have the book too but its been years since I first read it. Cant remember if she brought up the molestation thing or not and only brought it up during the televised interviews.

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Hmm I gotta read the book again because I don't recall her saying she was sexually molested in the book, just in interviews with talk shows where she promoted the book. She did say Joe physically abuse Katherine though. Michael mentioned it to her.

Same here. I have the book too but its been years since I first read it. Cant remember if she brought up the molestation thing or not and only brought it up during the televised interviews.

Nah, she was invited on the shows because the book was so controversial. She told far more detail and new horror stories on the talk shows, but I'm almost certain the original sexual abuse claims were in the book. I must re-read it.

brooksie said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Same here. I have the book too but its been years since I first read it. Cant remember if she brought up the molestation thing or not and only brought it up during the televised interviews.

Nah, she was invited on the shows because the book was so controversial. She told far more detail and new horror stories on the talk shows, but I'm almost certain the original sexual abuse claims were in the book. I must re-read it.

Yeah Imma have to pull that book out an re-read it this weekend lol! I remember sometime last year Latoya was on the Today show being interviewed by Matt Lauer about her new book she wrote on her brother. He started grilling her about her past statements on Joe molesting her...here's part of that transcript:

M: You have also made comments about your father joe molesting you and other forms of child abuse . now you say no other man alive or dead did anything like joseph did for his family and i thank him for that.

L: I do.

M: Is this a contradiction?

L: No, it is not. my father did a wonderful job of raising all of us. i have to tell you that when you're young, you see things differently than when you get older. when you get older and you have children and your nieces and nephews, you understand why your father disciplined you the way he did. parents beat their children back then. they don't do that today. if you do it today, you're going to jail.

M: But you stand by the comments you made about molestation and child abuse ?

L: My father is a very wonderful man, matt. i have to tell you something. my father is getting older. i love him with all my heart. michael loved my father at the end of the day . people are showing footage of michael speaking at my father the way he thought many years ago. at the end of michael 's life he called my father several times, wanted him there. he even told his children, call grandpa, he will help me get out of this situation.

M: You're standing by your original statements about your dad?

L: My father is a wonderful person and always will be. he has a great heart and, yes, i do love him and care for him a great deal.

M: La toya jackson , appreciate it.

http://today.msnbc.msn.co...1pTY4FunY0

Didnt really answer Matt's questions...

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah she said it on one of the talk shows in the '90s, I forget if it was Donahue or Sally Jessy Raphael but that's when she said that she and Rebbie were molested. I don't know if she mentioned Janet but she did mentioned that Rebbie was sexually molested then Joe started molesting her (La Toya). La Toya has since said that was a lie.

She stated that both she and Rebbie were molested in her book, but she made it very clear that she was unsure about Janet in that regard. She didn't say a definite no or yes about Janet, but was firm about herself and Rebbie. She pointed out that their sleeping arrangements enable the sitch.

She did state that Joe physically abused Katherine. I think people had suspected this for a long time, but she basically confirmed the preception of him as overall tyrant.

No Toya didnt state that in her book. She stated that in interviews promoting the book. In the book there was no talk of sexual abuse on anybodys part