Terrib3Towel said:

Jermaine isn't even attractive. His features are too fem for me. And that hair seals the deal.

agreed

neonlights said:

SoulAlive said:

a few stolen moments is all that we share...you've got your family and they need you there

Whitney looks beautiful in this picture.

I agree

nursev said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Jermaine isn't even attractive. His features are too fem for me. And that hair seals the deal.

agreed

omg yes. He was not bad looking back in the Jackson 5 days. What in the hell happened to him? Did he use some bad skin product too? Obviously these women he has slept with had to dispose of the pillow case and the pillow in the morning.

LaToya is such a loser. I have never liked her and IMO, she's just a talentless media whore.

dreaminaboutu said:

nursev said:

agreed

omg yes. He was not bad looking back in the Jackson 5 days. What in the hell happened to him? Did he use some bad skin product too? Obviously these women he has slept with had to dispose of the pillow case and the pillow in the morning.

Jermatologist

I thought they said Whitney was munching the carpet in her early days? What would she be doing with him?

dreaminaboutu said:

nursev said:

agreed

omg yes. He was not bad looking back in the Jackson 5 days. What in the hell happened to him? Did he use some bad skin product too? Obviously these women he has slept with had to dispose of the pillow case and the pillow in the morning.

dreaminaboutu said:

nursev said:

agreed

omg yes. He was not bad looking back in the Jackson 5 days. What in the hell happened to him? Did he use some bad skin product too? Obviously these women he has slept with had to dispose of the pillow case and the pillow in the morning.

Both he and Michael went thru some really bad skin problems in their late teens-early 20s. Michael's seems to have cleared up and was probably not as severe either, but I'm not sure Jermaine's ever did.

I suspect he got too many skin peels over the years and it's makes him look waxy. Add to it too much plastic surgery and

daPrettyman said:

scriptgirl said:

Pomade said:

prodigalfan said:

daPrettyman said:

I got the name wrong. It was Margaret. She talked about it in her book.

Wait! WHAAAAATTT? The affair with Jermain and Whitney has been rumored before? And discussed in ex lover's tell all book???

Yeppers...that sums it up. Margaret's book is probably the best written about the Jacksons, IMHO. Time has proven her right/truthful/prescient in many things.

lezama said:

I thought they said Whitney was munching the carpet in her early days? What would she be doing with him?

Trying to advance her career, I'd venture to guess! Your naivete is sweet, but come on, have a little imagination. People have schtuped anything and everything to get ahead since forever, so a little thing like being gay isn't something that would stop someone from dipping into the hetero side for a hot minute!

prodigalfan said:

Pomade said:

I been believing Latoya ever since, honey.

Me too

Me 3

scriptgirl said:

I always thought Jermaine and Whitney had something going, but never really gave it much thought. Funny how Jermaine's kids with Hazel are never talked or heard about-maybe cause they got Gordy $. Is Jermaine close to them?

As far as Latoya running them gums, crazy people get crazier when they get older and don't forget, she was right about Janet and Rene.

Hazel was never a very public person, but then again neither is Berry Gordy. I think Hazel simply chooses to be discreetly wealthy and her kids have taken after her. Given most of the press and drama that the Jacksons have had since her divorce from Jermaine, can anyone blame her?!

I don't think La Toya is crazy per se, merely eccentric and rather vengeful. I mean think about it, this story is not a good look for Jermaine whether its's true or not, now is it? La Toya has the "Jackson disease" of thinking that any and everything regarding her family should be front page news. That's why she's talking about something which may or may not have happened 30 years ago. That said, I believe she's a truthful person in general. Like Margaret, what she's said has turned out to often times be accurate.

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brooksie said:

scriptgirl said:

I always thought Jermaine and Whitney had something going, but never really gave it much thought. Funny how Jermaine's kids with Hazel are never talked or heard about-maybe cause they got Gordy $. Is Jermaine close to them?

As far as Latoya running them gums, crazy people get crazier when they get older and don't forget, she was right about Janet and Rene.

Hazel was never a very public person, but then again neither is Berry Gordy. I think Hazel simply chooses to be discreet and her kids have taken after her. Given most of the press and drama that the Jacksons have had since her divorce from Jermaine, can anyone blame her?!

I don't think La Toya is crazy per se, merely eccentric and rather vengeful. She has the Jackson disease" of thinking that any and everything regarding her family should be front page news. That's why she's talking about something which may or may not have happened 30 years ago. That said, I believe she's a truthful person in general. Like Margaret, what she's said has turn out to often time be accurate.

Also the book she wrote "La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family" was very accurate & made a lot of since to me. Even though I don't believe in throwing ur own family under the bus.Plus revealing my baby mama Janet's private secrets was tacky of her. Some things should be left behind close doors. But it took a lot of guts for her to write that book & I respect her for that. If i was one of her siblings I would have NEVER forgiven her for that EVER..But she told "The Truth".WHICH I BELIEVE IN!!!

was

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

brooksie said:

I don't think La Toya is crazy per se, merely eccentric and rather vengeful. She has the Jackson disease" of thinking that any and everything regarding her family should be front page news. That's why she's talking about something which may or may not have happened 30 years ago. That said, I believe she's a truthful person in general. Like Margaret, what she's said has turn out to often time be accurate.

Also the book she wrote "La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family" was very accurate & made a lot of since to me. Even though I don't believe in throwing ur own family under the bus.Plus revealing my baby mama Janet's private secrets was tacky of her. Some things should be left behind close doors. But it took a lot of guts for her to write that book & I respect her for that. If i was one of her siblings I would have NEVER forgiven her for that EVER..But she told "The Truth".WHICH I BELIEVE IN!!!

was

I have this book and I'm also old enough to remember La Toya before all her drama jumped off. Her sitch was extremely weird even before she flew the coop. Perhaps that's why she "beat it", if you'll pardon a pun.

La Toya seemed forever slated to be the maiden Victorian companion/aunt to her mother and family. It was like she was expected to live at home forever, never marry, be an eternal virgin, never have kids, etc....both she and the Jacksons collectively seemed to be for this strange arrangement. Given how gorgeous she was and that it wasn't the Victorian Era, it all seemed very odd for her family to have her down as the designed spinster! Her rebellion makes some sense when you consider her previous "Aunt Agatha" status in Jacksonville!

If Bobby DeBarge is factored in, this makes it all the worse, IMHO.

I don't think they took her back because they forgave her or even valued her, but out of "omerta". There's he damage control factor. They were trying to regain control of her for primarily their own self-interests, not about that awful sitch she was in. They haven't fully succeded in controlling her....she has far too much money and independence now, but she's now far less visible and disruptive than she was during the 90s in Geraldo's heyday.

[Edited 3/7/12 22:42pm]

^ That book had a lot of hot ass messes on it...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

brooksie said:

I don't think La Toya is crazy per se, merely eccentric and rather vengeful. She has the Jackson disease" of thinking that any and everything regarding her family should be front page news. That's why she's talking about something which may or may not have happened 30 years ago. That said, I believe she's a truthful person in general. Like Margaret, what she's said has turn out to often time be accurate.

Also the book she wrote "La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family" was very accurate & made a lot of since to me. Even though I don't believe in throwing ur own family under the bus.Plus revealing my baby mama Janet's private secrets was tacky of her. Some things should be left behind close doors. But it took a lot of guts for her to write that book & I respect her for that. If i was one of her siblings I would have NEVER forgiven her for that EVER..But she told "The Truth".WHICH I BELIEVE IN!!!

was

I have this book and I'm also old enough to remember La Toya before all her drama jumped off. Her sitch was extremely weird even before she flew the coop. Perhaps that's why she "beat it", if you'll pardon a pun.

La Toya seemed forever slated to be the maiden Victorian companion/aunt to her mother and family. It was like she was expected to live at home forever, never marry, be an eternal virgin, never have kids, etc....both she and the Jacksons collectively seemed to be for this strange arrangement. Given how gorgeous she was and that it wasn't the Victorian Era, it all seemed very odd for her family to have her down as the designed spinster! Her rebellion makes some sense when you consider her previous "Aunt Agatha" status in Jacksonville!

If Bobby DeBarge is factored in, this makes it all the worse, IMHO.

I don't think they took her back because they forgave her or even valued her, but out of "omerta". There's he damage control factor. They were trying to regain control of her for primarily their own self-interests, not about that awful sitch she was in. They haven't fully succeded in controlling her....she has far too much money and independence now, but she's now far less visible and disruptive than she was during the 90s in Geraldo's heyday.

[Edited 3/7/12 22:51pm]

Timmy84 said:

^ That book had a lot of hot ass messes on it...

What do you mean? Not credible or batshit situations?

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

^ That book had a lot of hot ass messes on it...

What do you mean? Not credible or batshit situations?

The batshit moments she described in the book.

Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:

What do you mean? Not credible or batshit situations?

The batshit moments she described in the book.

Yeah and sadly time has revealed (like w/ Margaret) that La Toya may have downplayed the crazier stuff....as unbelivable as that sounds!

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

The batshit moments she described in the book.

Yeah and sadly time has revealed (like w/ Margaret) that La Toya may have downplayed the crazier stuff....as unbelivable as that sounds!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Also the book she wrote "La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family" was very accurate & made a lot of since to me. Even though I don't believe in throwing ur own family under the bus.Plus revealing my baby mama Janet's private secrets was tacky of her. Some things should be left behind close doors. But it took a lot of guts for her to write that book & I respect her for that. If i was one of her siblings I would have NEVER forgiven her for that EVER..But she told "The Truth".WHICH I BELIEVE IN!!!

was

I have this book and I'm also old enough to remember La Toya before all her drama jumped off. Her sitch was extremely weird even before she flew the coop. Perhaps that's why she "beat it", if you'll pardon a pun.

La Toya seemed forever slated to be the maiden Victorian companion/aunt to her mother and family. It was like she was expected to live at home forever, never marry, be an eternal virgin, never have kids, etc....both she and the Jacksons collectively seemed to be for this strange arrangement. Given how gorgeous she was and that it wasn't the Victorian Era, it all seemed very odd for her family to have her down as the designed spinster! Her rebellion makes some sense when you consider her previous "Aunt Agatha" status in Jacksonville!

If Bobby DeBarge is factored in, this makes it all the worse, IMHO.

I don't think they took her back because they forgave her or even valued her, but out of "omerta". There's he damage control factor. They were trying to regain control of her for primarily their own self-interests, not about that awful sitch she was in. They haven't fully succeded in controlling her....she has far too much money and independence now, but she's now far less visible and disruptive than she was during the 90s in Geraldo's heyday.

[Edited 3/7/12 22:51pm]

Aww shucks...thanks. I wrote all that to let folks know that La Toya has a backstory and motives for her behavior. Part of it is out of talent envy, but other parts of it has to do w/ family dynamics.

To be completely honest, I side eye Katherine mostly for what was going on w/ La Toya before she flew the coop. Why try to make your daughter your permanent compainon like that? It seems so selfish. About Joe...no comment.

brooksie said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I have this book and I'm also old enough to remember La Toya before all her drama jumped off. Her sitch was extremely weird even before she flew the coop. Perhaps that's why she "beat it", if you'll pardon a pun.

La Toya seemed forever slated to be the maiden Victorian companion/aunt to her mother and family. It was like she was expected to live at home forever, never marry, be an eternal virgin, never have kids, etc....both she and the Jacksons collectively seemed to be for this strange arrangement. Given how gorgeous she was and that it wasn't the Victorian Era, it all seemed very odd for her family to have her down as the designed spinster! Her rebellion makes some sense when you consider her previous "Aunt Agatha" status in Jacksonville!

If Bobby DeBarge is factored in, this makes it all the worse, IMHO.

I don't think they took her back because they forgave her or even valued her, but out of "omerta". There's he damage control factor. They were trying to regain control of her for primarily their own self-interests, not about that awful sitch she was in. They haven't fully succeded in controlling her....she has far too much money and independence now, but she's now far less visible and disruptive than she was during the 90s in Geraldo's heyday.

[Edited 3/7/12 22:51pm]

Aww shucks...thanks. I wrote all that to let folks know that La Toya has a backstory and motives for her behavior. Part of it is out of talent envy, but other parts of it has to do w/ family dynamics.

To be completely honest, I side eye Katherine mostly for what was going on w/ La Toya before she flew the coop. Why try to make your daughter your permanent compainon like that? It seems so selfish. About Joe...no comment.

What bothers me is how La Toya now claims she was brain washed into saying & doing all those things back then.....After appearing on virtually every talk show there was back then. So now were suppose to believe it was all make believe.

[Edited 3/8/12 9:54am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

brooksie said:

Aww shucks...thanks. I wrote all that to let folks know that La Toya has a backstory and motives for her behavior. Part of it is out of talent envy, but other parts of it has to do w/ family dynamics.

To be completely honest, I side eye Katherine mostly for what was going on w/ La Toya before she flew the coop. Why try to make your daughter your permanent compainon like that? It seems so selfish. About Joe...no comment.

What bothers me is how La Toya now claims she was brain washed into saying & doing all those things back then.....After appearing on virtually every talk show there was back then. So now were suppose to believe it was all make bekieve.

The thing is, if one believes that she was sexually/emotionally/physically abused (as I do)...her later behavior makes (sick) sense. This is all about a family's group dynamics and how they cope w/ such group dysfunction. Each member has his/her role to play. Just like La Toya lived out "Aunt Agatha" w/in her family before she left, she's come back to living a lesser and different form of it upon returning. Given that she now has lots of money and didn't return "home" but to Las Vegas, it's not as intense as before but it's still there IMHO. This is why she's doing this tittle-tattle about her family still....she's not really stopped acting out the spinster aunt role!

The Jacksons are like the DeBarges in that they all have very specific patterns of self-destructive behavior and roles being played, IMHO. When they're away from each other, I suspect they can have some normalcy, but when the family's in the pic on any level.... it all goes back to the roles, more or less.

One thing I've always found interesting about La Toya is that when she "went home" she chose Vegas...where Joe lives, not LA where Katherine is. Given her intense anger at Katherine, which she expressed in her book and elsewhere, it makes some sick sense. La Toya seems to resent her brothers too because they seem to be acting out varying degrees Joe's fuckery. Why else is she talking about Jermaine and Whitney 30 years after?!

Personally I think it's giving Jack Gordon far too much credit when she says she was "brainwashed". That ratty little guy merely took advantage of what was already there..her anger, her truly fucked up family life, her need for attention at any costs, her narcissism, and her greed. I'll tell ya this, if Joe could have pulled off a even a fraction of a career for her like he did the others, I doubt we'd ever have heard any of this...true or not. "Brainwashing" is her her CYA excuse for her appalling and greed filled behavior IMHO.

In the mid-80s,I saw a pic of Whitney and Jermaine together....it was in Black Beat magazine.Jermaine was quoted as saying "Whitney is like family......she's like a younger sister to me"

brooksie said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

What bothers me is how La Toya now claims she was brain washed into saying & doing all those things back then.....After appearing on virtually every talk show there was back then. So now were suppose to believe it was all make bekieve.

The thing is, if one believes that she was sexually/emotionally/physically abused (as I do)...her later behavior makes (sick) sense. This is all about a family's group dynamics and how they cope w/ such group dysfunction. Each member has his/her role to play. Just like La Toya lived out "Aunt Agatha" w/in her family before she left, she's come back to living a lesser and different form of it upon returning. Given that she now has lots of money and didn't return "home" but to Las Vegas, it's not as intense as before but it's still there IMHO. This is why she's doing this tittle-tattle about her family still....she's not really stopped acting out the spinster aunt role!

The Jacksons are like the DeBarges in that they all have very specific patterns of self-destructive behavior and roles being played, IMHO. When they're away from each other, I suspect they can have some normalcy, but when the family's in the pic on any level.... it all goes back to the roles, more or less.

One thing I've always found interesting about La Toya is that when she "went home" she chose Vegas...where Joe lives, not LA where Katherine is. Given her intense anger at Katherine, which she expressed in her book and elsewhere, it makes some sick sense. La Toya seems to resent her brothers too because they seem to be acting out varying degrees Joe's fuckery. Why else is she talking about Jermaine and Whitney 30 years after?!

Personally I think it's giving Jack Gordon far too much credit when she says she was "brainwashed". That ratty little guy merely took advantage of what was already there..her anger, her truly fucked up family life, her need for attention at any costs, her narcissism, and her greed. I'll tell ya this, if Joe could have pulled off a even a fraction of a career for her like he did the others, I doubt we'd ever have heard any of this...true or not. "Brainwashing" is her her CYA excuse for her appalling and greed filled behavior IMHO.

Totally agree with the bolded part.

NaughtyKitty said:

brooksie said:

The thing is, if one believes that she was sexually/emotionally/physically abused (as I do)...her later behavior makes (sick) sense. This is all about a family's group dynamics and how they cope w/ such group dysfunction. Each member has his/her role to play. Just like La Toya lived out "Aunt Agatha" w/in her family before she left, she's come back to living a lesser and different form of it upon returning. Given that she now has lots of money and didn't return "home" but to Las Vegas, it's not as intense as before but it's still there IMHO. This is why she's doing this tittle-tattle about her family still....she's not really stopped acting out the spinster aunt role!

The Jacksons are like the DeBarges in that they all have very specific patterns of self-destructive behavior and roles being played, IMHO. When they're away from each other, I suspect they can have some normalcy, but when the family's in the pic on any level.... it all goes back to the roles, more or less.

One thing I've always found interesting about La Toya is that when she "went home" she chose Vegas...where Joe lives, not LA where Katherine is. Given her intense anger at Katherine, which she expressed in her book and elsewhere, it makes some sick sense. La Toya seems to resent her brothers too because they seem to be acting out varying degrees Joe's fuckery. Why else is she talking about Jermaine and Whitney 30 years after?!

Personally I think it's giving Jack Gordon far too much credit when she says she was "brainwashed". That ratty little guy merely took advantage of what was already there..her anger, her truly fucked up family life, her need for attention at any costs, her narcissism, and her greed. I'll tell ya this, if Joe could have pulled off a even a fraction of a career for her like he did the others, I doubt we'd ever have heard any of this...true or not. "Brainwashing" is her her CYA excuse for her appalling and greed filled behavior IMHO.

Totally agree with the bolded part.

Agree also Jack was already part of the Jackson family business.He knew the private secrets & used it to his advantage.But :a Toya was already bitter I believe.

By the way! None of what I'm saying has anything to do with Janet.