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Reply #90 posted 03/03/12 2:32pm

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mjscarousal said:

rdhull said:

yall 'will ride and die for that bitch' lol

Ill ride or die for Mike lol

Same here

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Reply #91 posted 03/03/12 2:45pm

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mjscarousal said:

Ill ride or die for Mike lol

Same here

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Reply #92 posted 03/03/12 3:00pm

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go2theMax said:

LiLi1992 said:

do you REALLY think it's lip-synching?? It is simply not true ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6OPZN7EduU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-x9_tKIy8I&feature=related

This must be the show he did in Rio...and even so that Billie Jean performance was far from being a display of good vocals. Of course he sang some bits (really one or another line) on the concert I went in Sao Paulo...but it was really lip-synced overall. He seemed bored 2...I wasn't following the tabloid news on MJ but I think at the time he was already facing the molestation accusations, someone correct if i'm wrong...I left there thinking he was just a video artist. Then after that I started 2 listen 2 his previous works like "Off the Wall" and then I realized that he was more than that! I was there...were u? no? then u don't have much saying

NO, these videos from Sao Paulo ... wink

compare parts of the concert with this video. This is the same performance.
start - 2:32

I can only say what I see / hear on the videos, he sang a lot live on dangerous tour ....

Yes, it was not Вad tour, where 90% of the songs were performed live and very good, but to say that the Dangerous tour was totally lip-synching - unfair. confused


concerts in Latin America were already after charges, after a concert in Brazil, Michael immediately went to the clinic because of the medication.


[Edited 3/3/12 15:22pm]

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Reply #93 posted 03/03/12 5:25pm

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purple05 said:

please do not come in here arguing and posting baseless insults at each other or the artist. This topic can be civilly discussed.
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Madonna Producer: “She Has Succeeded Where Michael Jackson Failed”

Madonna Producer: She Has Succeeded Where Michael Jackson Failed

It seems Madonna‘s taste for controversy has rubbed off on those around her; namely producer Martin Sloveig.

For, the ‘Give Me All Your Luvin’ crafter made quite the gaffe when talking up the 53 year old in a recent interview.

Peep his words after the jump…

Speaking to French radio station Europe1 this week, Sloveig had the following to say when quizzed on Madonna’s legacy:

She has left her landmark in music and fashion in every era. In the 80s, in the 90s.And she has succeeded – what I think Michael Jackson has failed to do – to still be relevant in the 2000s working with Mirwais and Stuart Price. I’m more a fan of those albums than the ones she released when she started. And THAT is impressive to me.”

And that’s not all. When inevitably questioned about the singer’s “beef” with Lady GaGa, the hitmaker added:

“No (GaGa did not take her crown). I think she’s a disciple. There’s a master and a disciple. It’s very simple. We all have a role model, don’t we?”

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Clearly, those Live Nation cheques have Sloveig feeling all sorts of dizzy, because he’s spouting hot doo doo on a platter. Especially when it comes to MJ.

For, in his brief 50 years, Michael achieved a level of legend (and had a cultural impact) which will almost certainly never be seen again. Ever.

Though MJ and Madonna are routinely hailed as the King and Queen of Pop, it’s worth noting that Michael achieved such status without flashing his privates, leeching on younger stars, or courting controversy. And while troubles may have consumed the final years of his career, he boasts a catalogue of hits which aren’t confined to the era they were created. They remain relevant till this very day. Can the same be said for the material which has mobilised Madonna’s longevity (particularly her latter efforts)?

And that’s not to take away from ‘M’, as her run (how ever cunning) has been wholly impressive. However, Sloveig highlights what not to do when working with an artist of Maggie’s caliber: become blinded. It’ll only lead to soundbites such as those above, which make him sound wacker than the material he’s been cooking up with Madge as of late.

end of article

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I honestly see where is coming from but I dont agree. Why comare her to someone who released little to nothing in the '00s. MJ released an album at he beginning of the decade and announced a tour at the end. If anything compare her to someone like Prince or Janet who constantly put out product in the '00s. Im also sure that there are other ways he can big up Madonna without putting MJ down.

CORRECTION: Madonna AND Gaga are disciples of David Bowie. Everything Gaga learn from Madonna, both women learn from David.

With THAT^ said, Martin Sloveig doesn't know WTF he is talking about. rolleyes As for Michael Jackson not being relevant during the 2000's, Iit's hard to tell judging by the number of MJ-clones/wannabes (Usher, Chris Brown, Chris Tucker, Justin Timberlake, etc.) that Michael inspired in that decade.


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Reply #94 posted 03/03/12 5:32pm

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lastdecember said:

Gunsnhalen said:

MJ must be brought into everything... and nowaday's so must Madonna. LAWD have mercy lol

Put Prince right in there too. EVERY single post about a new RB artist that sort-of does the "Prince" thing, we gotta hear the ENLESS BULLSHIT of "this is what Prince should be doing" mainly we get that everytime Van Hunt wipes his ass, we cant judge that cat without bringing Prince into the mix? I mean when we talked about the new Prince albums in the 80's who did we drag in? Did we say damn i wish "James Brown" could release something like this, or Rick James could get off the crack and do a good album again. Its NONSENSE. And with Madonna its all the same crap, personally i cant equate the two, its insanity to compare anyone that has had an actual career. MJ didnt "fail" and nor did Madonna, regardless of a new single not becoming a major hit, the fact that at 53 or whatever she is people actually give a rats ass to talk about you, or MJ or Prince and talk about madonna's or Prince's new work is testament to them standing the test of time. ITs stupid and Ignorant to honestly think these artists are going to impact this generation the way they imapacted a generation 30+ years ago, if U think for a second that JJ MJ Madonna or Prince, or Springsteen or Elton whomever, is gonna impact now the way they did when they were "the shit" than You need to be fit for a white coat....

ANSWER: Most of us didn't have to mention Little Richard, James Brown, & Jimi Hendrix because some of Prince's own celebrity peers were saying it for us. So there! wink

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Reply #95 posted 03/03/12 6:00pm

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LiLi1992 said:

go2theMax said:

This must be the show he did in Rio...and even so that Billie Jean performance was far from being a display of good vocals. Of course he sang some bits (really one or another line) on the concert I went in Sao Paulo...but it was really lip-synced overall. He seemed bored 2...I wasn't following the tabloid news on MJ but I think at the time he was already facing the molestation accusations, someone correct if i'm wrong...I left there thinking he was just a video artist. Then after that I started 2 listen 2 his previous works like "Off the Wall" and then I realized that he was more than that! I was there...were u? no? then u don't have much saying

NO, these videos from Sao Paulo ... wink

compare parts of the concert with this video. This is the same performance.
start - 2:32

I can only say what I see / hear on the videos, he sang a lot live on dangerous tour ....

Yes, it was not Вad tour, where 90% of the songs were performed live and very good, but to say that the Dangerous tour was totally lip-synching - unfair. confused


concerts in Latin America were already after charges, after a concert in Brazil, Michael immediately went to the clinic because of the medication.


[Edited 3/3/12 15:22pm]

some of those videos can't really tell...but I'mma change the point of view...it's crazy 2 think I was there...of of the worst mega concerts that I attended, still I remember how I was emotional 2 be close to the stage where MJ was!! That was a happy day! biggrin

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Reply #96 posted 03/04/12 8:47am

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Terrib3Towel said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

What was it? It says bandwith exceeded.

It's a gif of MJ eating popcorn. lol

lol

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Reply #97 posted 03/04/12 8:55am

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What makes somebody relevant? Michael's "Invincible" sold over 10 million, and had a top ten hit. "This Is It" was sold out.. 50 shows. His music was still everywhere on the radio. He was constantly in the news (maybe not always for the music). confuse Plus, Madonna never had "allegations" or lenghty trials to throw her career off track.

My prediction? This gets locked and redirected to MJ sticky.

It did. Quietly.

[Edited 3/4/12 8:59am]

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Reply #98 posted 03/04/12 8:56am

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rdhull said:

She hasn't been relevant for over a decade. Concert sales and record sales dont mean an artist is relevant. I know that sounds ass backwards but its hard to explain.

The Stones and U2 always have the highest grossing cocnerts just like she does..but they are not relevant.

Obviously relevant to someone. Just not you.

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Reply #99 posted 03/04/12 9:03am

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mistatee said:

alphastreet said:

Let's reverse the roles. If MJ was being credited for setting fashion trends, you would be acting differently.

[Edited 3/3/12 8:26am]

Ehmmm, no.


You probably think I'm a blind MJ fan.
I'm not.

I just don't think Martin is right.
Madonna's music/fashion/shockvalue etc combined can not touch MJ's musical legacy. He's far too big and influencial in every way for Martin to say that MJ failed at being relevant. He doesnt have to be relevant, he is Michael Jackson!

Sorry to say but if we want to compare Madonna to someone... Let's start with Rihanna/Britney Spears/Nicki Minaj etc etc and every other popstar that is willing to follow ANY trend and fashion to stay relevant.

But it's all good. We are all tlking about this and that's just what Martin Solveig wants.

I think MJ was too busy hiding his drug habit to worry about being relevant.

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Reply #100 posted 03/04/12 9:07am

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mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

Mirwais and Stuart Price were virtually unknown to the US market. No one mainstream was working with them to the best of my knowledge at the time, and some of her best work did come out of their collaborations. She only worked with Pharell and Timbaland for one album.

[Edited 3/3/12 10:38am]

But main audiences would never know that because she released the gimmick mess as SINGLES which is the MAIN point. I still dont think what anything Madonna has released this past decade is something I would define as spetacular. Her best material to me is 90s. This past decade Madonna has cared about gimmicks and not true artistry and if you want to be indenial about it so be it..

My thing is this .. Madonna would NEVER release a song or even attempt a neo soul style song like Butterflies and RELEASE IT AS A SINGLE. Cause TRUST ME and you can take this to the bank, if Michael just soley cared about chart positions he would have NEVER released that especially when their were more radio friendly songs like Heartbreaker, Invincible etc.

I thought Invincible while not Michaels best was alot more creative with collabs and songs.. then what all Madonna has done... not to mention Michael still sounds amazing on it.

[Edited 3/3/12 10:47am]

Disagreeing with you is being in denial?

Who is the deluded one?

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Reply #101 posted 03/04/12 9:08am

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SUPRMAN said:

mistatee said:

Ehmmm, no.


You probably think I'm a blind MJ fan.
I'm not.

I just don't think Martin is right.
Madonna's music/fashion/shockvalue etc combined can not touch MJ's musical legacy. He's far too big and influencial in every way for Martin to say that MJ failed at being relevant. He doesnt have to be relevant, he is Michael Jackson!

Sorry to say but if we want to compare Madonna to someone... Let's start with Rihanna/Britney Spears/Nicki Minaj etc etc and every other popstar that is willing to follow ANY trend and fashion to stay relevant.

But it's all good. We are all tlking about this and that's just what Martin Solveig wants.

I think MJ was too busy hiding his drug habit to worry about being relevant.

Uh oh.... lol

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Reply #102 posted 03/04/12 9:10am

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mjscarousal said:

go2theMax said:

I've been at the Dangerous tour in Brazil and I hadn't the chance 2 see him singing neutral

The FACT of the matter is... He CAN sing. Madonna CANT

I dont see whats so hard to understand eek

Yeah, cause no one bought a Madona record to listen to her.

They just sell because of the controversy . . . got it.

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Reply #103 posted 03/04/12 9:12am

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mjscarousal said:

go2theMax said:

not in the concert I went and pay big money 2 watch the guy lip-syncing all the way through...he came here in october/1993. Madonna came right after with the Girlie Show, in november...she doesn't have a better voice than him 4 sure...but damned she sang at least half of the show.

Thats a FUCKING LIE. Michael sung 80 percent of Dangerous live. The day Madonna EVER sings live Pigs will start flying from the skies and grass will grow purple.

OF course Michael lip synched . . .

Madonna has sung live.

Not a Madonna fan on a major level but get off Michael's dick. The man is dead.

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Reply #104 posted 03/04/12 9:17am

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mjscarousal said:

rdhull said:

yall 'will ride and die for that bitch' lol

Ill ride or die for Mike lol

. . . and then some.

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Reply #105 posted 03/04/12 9:19am

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mjscarousal said:

Spinlight said:

Cool, then 2 albums, but definitely not 4-5 albums. Personally, I think Music is the best album she put out in the 00s and I only like 1/3 of it. Can't stand AL, can't stand all but 2-3 tracks on Confessions, can't stand Hard Candy save for 2-3 tracks.

Definitely not "succeeding" where Mj "failed" imo... If she weren't such a bankable star that CEOs love to dump money into, she wouldn't be a success. Out of the 7 billion people in the world, it's not surprising you can convince 1.5 million of them to buy a Madge record with all the fucking hoopla that is attached to each record.

Hooplah, aka hype, doesn't have a direct correlation to someone staying relevant unless we are suggesting the CEOs are tastemakers.

Agree.

Madonna does sell out stadiums BUT she COULD NOT sell out 50 shows....

Well Michael would've been relying on drugs to do those 50 shows.

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Reply #106 posted 03/04/12 9:35am

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SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats a FUCKING LIE. Michael sung 80 percent of Dangerous live. The day Madonna EVER sings live Pigs will start flying from the skies and grass will grow purple.

OF course Michael lip synched . . .

Madonna has sung live.

Not a Madonna fan on a major level but get off Michael's dick. The man is dead.

I am interested in people who are talking about a full lip-synching Dangerous Tou...
they actually ever seen those shows?

All have the ability to watch videos on Youtube .. right??? rolleyes
how can someone think that there a total lip-synching?

MJ vocals sounded not so good, he missed and swallowed whole words .. confused

Dangerous World Tour '92-'93
Jam - PLAYBACK
Wanna Be Startin 'Something - LIVE
Human Nature - LIVE
Smooth Criminal - PLAYBACK
IJCSLY - LIVE
She's Out of my life - LIVE
J5 Medley - LIVE
I'll Be There - LIVE
Thriller - PLAYBACK
Billie Jean - LIVE
Working Day And Night - LIVE
Beat It - LIVE
Will You Be There - PLAYBACK
Black Or White - PLAYBACK
Heal The World - PLAYBACK
Man In The Mirror - PLAYBACK, LIVE from "stand up for your brother"
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I'm not a fan of MJ tours in the 90s, because Dangerous was very poor design shows, and MJ was absolutely not interested in the process .... HIStory tour was lip-synching to 80% ..
BUT the fact remains - Dangerous tour was live for at least 50-60%

MJs best tours - Bad and Triumph ... they were both phenomenal

[Edited 3/4/12 9:37am]

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Reply #107 posted 03/04/12 9:40am

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Look at all the bullshit that has dominated the 2000s by the other artists. Succeeding at being relevant in the 2000s is an insult to an artist and sure as hell ain't nothing to brag about.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #108 posted 03/04/12 9:58am

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I'm not a fan of MJ tours in the 90s, because Dangerous was very poor design shows, and MJ was absolutely not interested in the process .... HIStory tour was lip-synching to 80% ..
BUT the fact remains - Dangerous tour was live for at least 50-60%

MJs best tours - Bad and Triumph ... they were both phenomenal

He had laryngitis for most of the tour

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Reply #109 posted 03/04/12 10:09am

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SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats a FUCKING LIE. Michael sung 80 percent of Dangerous live. The day Madonna EVER sings live Pigs will start flying from the skies and grass will grow purple.

OF course Michael lip synched . . .

Madonna has sung live.

Not a Madonna fan on a major level but get off Michael's dick. The man is dead.

No offense but please dont come at me with no immature bullshit... at least attempt to conduct yourself like an adutlt or just leave out the thread troll OR dont reply to me with no got damn shit fool... go take your pathetic ass over to the otherside and there you can bash Michael till your hearts content.

[Edited 3/4/12 10:12am]

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Reply #110 posted 03/04/12 10:10am

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SUPRMAN is an attention seeking troll dont pay him no mind

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Reply #111 posted 03/04/12 10:20am

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How the hell did I miss this thread?! MJ f(st)ans got they panties in a twist. Madonna has succeeded where the whole damn Jackson family failed and I don't even care for Madonna. lol

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Reply #112 posted 03/04/12 10:27am

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MJ stans throwing stones in their glass houses for lip syncing. LOL.

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Reply #113 posted 03/04/12 10:29am

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MJ stans throwing stones in their glass houses for lip syncing. LOL.

lol

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Reply #114 posted 03/04/12 10:57am

mjscarousal

LiLi1992 said:

SUPRMAN said:

OF course Michael lip synched . . .

Madonna has sung live.

Not a Madonna fan on a major level but get off Michael's dick. The man is dead.

I am interested in people who are talking about a full lip-synching Dangerous Tou...
they actually ever seen those shows?

They havent... thats why Im going to stop entertaining this thread. It seems people are getting a kick out of bashing Michael for lip synching then exactly being accurate on what tours were lip synched.

Out of ALL the tours Michael has done... History was the only one that was more than half mimed but besides that the other tours he sung live... Most of Dangerous was sung live.

Madonna cant afford to sing live because the heifar cant sing...

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Reply #115 posted 03/04/12 10:57am

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RKJCNE said:

MJ stans throwing stones in their glass houses for lip syncing. LOL.

simply a dispute lol
haters and trolls - the evil machinegun

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Reply #116 posted 03/04/12 11:03am

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SUPRMAN is an attention seeking troll dont pay him no mind

HATER. This isn't even an MJ site . . . .

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Reply #117 posted 03/04/12 11:04am

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mjscarousal said:

LiLi1992 said:

I am interested in people who are talking about a full lip-synching Dangerous Tou...
they actually ever seen those shows?

They havent... thats why Im going to stop entertaining this thread. It seems people are getting a kick out of bashing Michael for lip synching then exactly being accurate on what tours were lip synched.

Out of ALL the tours Michael has done... History was the only one that was more than half mimed but besides that the other tours he sung live... Most of Dangerous was sung live.

Madonna cant afford to sing live because the heifar cant sing...

She can still take a stage though unlike others . . . . .

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Reply #118 posted 03/04/12 11:05am

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LiLi1992 said:

He had laryngitis for most of the tour

If he had laryngitis he should have delayed or cancelled the tour.

I'd be pissed. I can watch him dance in his videos.

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Reply #119 posted 03/04/12 11:05am

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SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

They havent... thats why Im going to stop entertaining this thread. It seems people are getting a kick out of bashing Michael for lip synching then exactly being accurate on what tours were lip synched.

Out of ALL the tours Michael has done... History was the only one that was more than half mimed but besides that the other tours he sung live... Most of Dangerous was sung live.

Madonna cant afford to sing live because the heifar cant sing...

She can still take a stage though unlike others . . . . .

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