Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

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I don't get that either. Most of Michael's nearly finished songs were between 1979-2003.

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

I don't get that either. Most of Michael's nearly finished songs were between 1979-2003.

I don't even think he completed very many records after 2004. Hell, I don't even think he finished any of the Will.i.am tracks. I think he (at most) finished a few background vocals

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't get that either. Most of Michael's nearly finished songs were between 1979-2003.

I don't even think he completed very many records after 2004. Hell, I don't even think he finished any of the Will.i.am tracks. I think he (at most) finished a few background vocals

Right. I doubt he really finished anything either. For some reason Michael probably was weary of doing another album anyway.

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Well Said

Best of Joy always made me think of the Beegees, particularly How Deep Is Your Love

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

The song was probably completed after his death. Least the music was.

I LOVE Best Of Joy. might possibly be n my top 10 favorite Michael songs, and if not, definetly top 20.

alphastreet said:

Best of Joy always made me think of the Beegees, particularly How Deep Is Your Love

me too.. especially the overdubs. i absolutly love best of joy. its deffinatilly in my top 10.

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Exactly.

MJ would work on something, shelve it and revisit, rework and rerecord. There's nothing that suggests this wasn't the case with BOJ. It's likely MJ pulled it out, dusted it off and started to work on it again prior to his death. How much, how knows. I guess until we hear a Dangerous era version to compare we'll never be 100%.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

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Two things that stand out for me whenever I see this sheet.

1. Ghost = get lyrics from writer. I thought MJ was the writer. Maybe there was a co-writer who's work either wasn't credited or who's lyrics didn't make the cut.

2. MA & MJ Duet - I assume this was the failed ITC duet with MAdonna or is this something else.

And i was always curious to hear what the Dangerous era TDCAU track sounded like. I know it was completely re-recorded for HiStory.

Swa said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

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Two things that stand out for me whenever I see this sheet.

1. Ghost = get lyrics from writer. I thought MJ was the writer. Maybe there was a co-writer who's work either wasn't credited or who's lyrics didn't make the cut.

2. MA & MJ Duet - I assume this was the failed ITC duet with MAdonna or is this something else.

And i was always curious to hear what the Dangerous era TDCAU track sounded like. I know it was completely re-recorded for HiStory.

1. It's possible another writer was involved in the early version of the record but was scrapped and re-worked by MJ alone.

2. I was thinking the same thing.

3. If I remember correctly, Rob (who worked with MJ during the session) mentioned that TDCAU was a click track and MJ worked on it very little during Dangerous era. I do think he re-recorded the whole song too

The "writer" is John Jay Smith didn't you know?

Jokes aside, maybe somebody wrote dummy lyrics for him, and he wrote a whole new set of them. Or that could explain why Is It Scary and Ghosts have similar lyrics, that was always a mystery to me.

SIEDAH GARRETT ‏ @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to my interview today with @SpikeLee for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release of MJ's Bad Album!

bboy87 said:

SIEDAH GARRETT ‏ @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to my interview today with @SpikeLee for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release of MJ's Bad Album!

SIEDAH! *Michael Jackson voice*

Bad 25 baby! Who's bad?! Who's bad?! Who's baaad?! Who's bad?! WHOOO WHOOO! HEEE HEEE! HEEE HEEEE HEE!

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

SIEDAH! *Michael Jackson voice*

Bad 25 baby! Who's bad?! Who's bad?! Who's baaad?! Who's bad?! WHOOO WHOOO! HEEE HEEE! HEEE HEEEE HEE!

Steve Stevens was also interviewed for the documentary

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

All my life I've been asked such questions
as who I am and what I do
when I tell them, they are happy
'cause I am rich, it gets me through
If I were a poor boy, would they accept me
am I rich, what's it to you?
and what's your reason for asking?
is my life one big interview?

What's your life? what you do?
I do this, how 'bout you?
what's your goal in life 'cause
I want tips to get through
are you rich? are you poor?

are you bold? are you sure
will you bend, do you break
are you strong, to endure?
what's your life?

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

All my life I've been asked such questions
as who I am and what I do
when I tell them, they are happy
'cause I am rich, it gets me through
If I were a poor boy, would they accept me
am I rich, what's it to you?
and what's your reason for asking?
is my life one big interview?

What's your life? what you do?
I do this, how 'bout you?
what's your goal in life 'cause
I want tips to get through
are you rich? are you poor?

are you bold? are you sure
will you bend, do you break
are you strong, to endure?
what's your life?

Beautiful , really Beautiful !

Did I miss something?

Are they going to re-release the bad album?

there must be some outtakes then? right?

does anyone remember hearing about Michael recording alot of songs from the beatles music catalog, or something like that? i dont remember when or where i heard it, its been a while.. does anyone know anything about this? was it just rumour?

seeingvoices12 said:

Did I miss something?

Are they going to re-release the bad album?

there must be some outtakes then? right?

Yes, they are rereleasing Bad in honor of the 25th anniversary of the albums release.

hopefully there will be outtakes,demos,and remixes..

Possibly A Concert dvd of The Bad tour live at Webley Stadium.

and a documentary about the album.

dm3857 said:

does anyone remember hearing about Michael recording alot of songs from the beatles music catalog, or something like that? i dont remember when or where i heard it, its been a while.. does anyone know anything about this? was it just rumour?

I'm sure Bboy will give us a full rundown - but around the Decade release there was talk of a few more Beatles covers being recorded.

Obviously we know he did "Come Together" around the Bad era.

"Strawberry Fields Forever" was also touted to have been recorded.

I think there was one or two more.

I know the one song he didn't record was "Penny Lane" as this is the only Beatles song in the ATV catalogue that was not sold as part of the deal. Robert Holmes a Court kept that song as a gift to his daughter, and made it a condition of the sale.

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

All my life I've been asked such questions
as who I am and what I do
when I tell them, they are happy
'cause I am rich, it gets me through
If I were a poor boy, would they accept me
am I rich, what's it to you?
and what's your reason for asking?
is my life one big interview?

What's your life? what you do?
I do this, how 'bout you?
what's your goal in life 'cause
I want tips to get through
are you rich? are you poor?

are you bold? are you sure
will you bend, do you break
are you strong, to endure?
what's your life?

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

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Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I felt bad for him the whole time, but other times I got jaded too and knew that he used the media when it was convenient and to keep his name out there and fuck around with people's minds he was a silent drama queen/instigator and sometimes I really didn't get it, and other times I laughed and came up with ideas of what he should do or wear next time for attention

alphastreet said:

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Dren5 said:

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I felt bad for him the whole time, but other times I got jaded too and knew that he used the media when it was convenient and to keep his name out there and fuck around with people's minds he was a silent drama queen/instigator and sometimes I really didn't get it, and other times I laughed and came up with ideas of what he should do or wear next time for attention

Michael was a Performance Artist, his whole life was a performance piece. Michael used the media to an extent and provoked stories. Stories like The hyberbaric chamber and things like that. There was a sence of Mystery behind what he did..He LOVED the controversy.

BUT then the media started talking badly about things very dear to him... started saying he was an "unfit father" "the children arent his" "Child Molestation" these are the things that destroyed michael heart..

Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I agree with you but this particular song isn't about the press invading his space or another "leave me alone" song, it's about everybody people and people surrounding him. "If I wasn't Michael Jackson, would you treat me the same way you do the average joe"

Jermaine talked about what brought the song on: Michael was remodeling Hayvenhurst and decided to buy some llamas. He and Jermaine found a seller and went to meet up with the guy who was very rude and hostile towards them. He was asking why do they want them and how could they afford them. He wanted to see identification. When he looked at the IDs and started to put 2 and 2 together, he asked "Are you those Jackson boys?" and changed his attitude and was eager. Michael rebuffed him, told the guy he was an ass and had no interest in doing business. They got in the car and left.

While driving, Michael told Jermaine to take him to Tito's house. The three brothers went into Tito's home studio and came up with the song

I'd put it in the category as That's What You Get For Being Polite, Destiny, and Things I Do For You before the Leave Me Alone/Privacy/Scream/Why You Wanna Trip On Me ship IMO

Swa said:

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Exactly.

MJ would work on something, shelve it and revisit, rework and rerecord. There's nothing that suggests this wasn't the case with BOJ. It's likely MJ pulled it out, dusted it off and started to work on it again prior to his death. How much, how knows. I guess until we hear a Dangerous era version to compare we'll never be 100%.

Yea Michael did that alot with his songs

dm3857 said:

does anyone remember hearing about Michael recording alot of songs from the beatles music catalog, or something like that? i dont remember when or where i heard it, its been a while.. does anyone know anything about this? was it just rumour?

Michael only recorded 2 Beatles records (to our knowledge). Both recorded in 1985, which is "Come Together" and "Strawberry Fields Forever". Both were scheduled to appear on the "Decades" record but the album was scrapped and Dangerous was born.

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

Hello SoulAlive. Long time, no see. Don't worry, I'm just passing through for a minute, but I have to correct this b.s.

The decision to not release the Jermaine duet had nothing to do with the record company. The boss of the record company at the time was Walter Yetnikoff and in his autobiography and subsequent interviews he's revealed that it was Michael himself who stopped that single being released.

Michael didn't want Jermaine to get the inevitable boost of a number one single. The record company merely acted as a proxy for Michael. This was a pattern of behaviour that persisted throughout MJ's life - fuck someone up, but get someone else to do it while you plead helplessness.