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Thread started 02/29/12 8:02am

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Discuss Anything and Everything MJ

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Reply #1 posted 02/29/12 8:35am

Militant

moderator

First!

I'm going to start the thread with this, seems appropriate given that somebody who posted towards the end of the last thread got well and truly:

lol

Reply #2 posted 02/29/12 8:51am

dag

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #3 posted 02/29/12 8:57am

mjscarousal

Reply #4 posted 02/29/12 9:51am

banks

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

Reply #5 posted 02/29/12 10:21am

Derek1984

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

The fakeness is just the Cascio tracks. I believe the rest on that album is indeed MJ.

Reply #6 posted 02/29/12 10:23am

Timmy84

Hmm...

Reply #7 posted 02/29/12 11:04am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Militant said:

First!

I'm going to start the thread with this, seems appropriate given that somebody who posted towards the end of the last thread got well and truly:

lol

I love you.

hug

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #8 posted 02/29/12 11:32am

mjscarousal

dag said:

Such a cute pic of them together sad

Reply #9 posted 02/29/12 11:42am

Timmy84

dag said:

touched

Reply #10 posted 02/29/12 1:08pm

crazymouse

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

On the Cascio songs, it's definitelly not him. On the rest of them, it's him.

Reply #11 posted 02/29/12 1:56pm

Militant

moderator

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Militant said:

First!

I'm going to start the thread with this, seems appropriate given that somebody who posted towards the end of the last thread got well and truly:

lol

I love you.

hug

Love you too, sweet thing.

Reply #12 posted 02/29/12 2:19pm

Swa

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

1. Looks like somone is wanting to make money.

2. Surely the credibility is shot if she is claiming Hold My Hand isn't MJ - considering it was leaked years before his death.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #13 posted 02/29/12 2:21pm

smoothcriminal12

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

Um...nah. lol

Reply #14 posted 02/29/12 2:35pm

Timmy84

Swa said:

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

1. Looks like somone is wanting to make money.

2. Surely the credibility is shot if she is claiming Hold My Hand isn't MJ - considering it was leaked years before his death.

Right.

Reply #15 posted 02/29/12 3:19pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Guys, it's TMZ. 'Nuff said.

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #16 posted 02/29/12 3:26pm

Timmy84

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Guys, it's TMZ. 'Nuff said.

True.

Reply #17 posted 02/29/12 3:36pm

JabarR74

I'll put up the ABDC/MJ ep again on this sticky soon, but right now, I'm gonna do something different, I'm gonna spotlight an MJ album of my choice and I choose....................

Reply #18 posted 02/29/12 4:17pm

seeingvoices12

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

hold my hand ?

the whole album isn't even him ?

fuck sony , because people will express any doubt regarding ANY future release , horrible , those cascios tracks destroyed everything........................

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
Reply #19 posted 02/29/12 5:28pm

CrabalockerFishwife

If this proves anything, it just proves that the Jackson family are batshit crazy, and nothing they say should be taken seriously.

People were saying the Cascio songs were fake, and using the word of Michael's kids as evidence. I wonder what they think now upon hearing "Hold My Hand is fake" from Paris (assuming TMZ didn't make this story up)?

Reply #20 posted 02/29/12 11:24pm

CrabalockerFishwife

JabarR74 said:

I'll put up the ABDC/MJ ep again on this sticky soon, but right now, I'm gonna do something different, I'm gonna spotlight an MJ album of my choice and I choose....................

It's my favorite of the Motown solo albums. His version of "Ain't No Sunshine" is great. I also love "I Wanna Be Where You Are" and "You've Got A Friend"..

Reply #21 posted 02/29/12 11:27pm

WaterInYourBath

dag said:

smile

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
Reply #22 posted 02/29/12 11:30pm

WaterInYourBath

Militant said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I love you.

hug

Love you too, sweet thing.

Yep, just as I thought. L.O.L. lol

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
Reply #23 posted 03/01/12 12:02am

foralltime

Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

1. Looks like somone is wanting to make money.

2. Surely the credibility is shot if she is claiming Hold My Hand isn't MJ - considering it was leaked years before his death.

Right.

This is what Paris said on her Twitter account:

People should know by now not to believe the media when it comes down to TMZ talking about my family. IS my dad actually singing.

Reply #24 posted 03/01/12 2:39am

Timmy84

foralltime said:

Timmy84 said:

Right.

This is what Paris said on her Twitter account:

People should know by now not to believe the media when it comes down to TMZ talking about my family. IS my dad actually singing.

Well that's the end of that.

Reply #25 posted 03/01/12 4:55am

smoothcriminal12

foralltime said:

Timmy84 said:

Right.

This is what Paris said on her Twitter account:

People should know by now not to believe the media when it comes down to TMZ talking about my family. IS my dad actually singing.

Okay, that clears Hold My Had, but what about Hold My Hand?

Reply #26 posted 03/01/12 5:05am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

smoothcriminal12 said:

foralltime said:

This is what Paris said on her Twitter account:

People should know by now not to believe the media when it comes down to TMZ talking about my family. IS my dad actually singing.

Okay, that clears Hold My Had, but what about Hold My Hand?

falloff

Oh you... lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #27 posted 03/01/12 5:55am

Derek1984

Somebody needs to ask Paris about the Cascio tracks.

Reply #28 posted 03/01/12 8:07am

smoothcriminal12

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Okay, that clears Hold My Had, but what about Hold My Hand?

falloff

Oh you... lol

lol

Reply #29 posted 03/01/12 8:15am

NaughtyKitty

dag said:

Ah so this must be the passionate kiss that David Gest was talking about...mmm-hmmm...yes, they clearly cant keep their hands off each other giggle Love the pic tho, never seen this one before. Thanks for posting it!

Reply #30 posted 03/01/12 10:44am

NaughtyKitty

So MJJC had a Q&A with Jermaine Jackson about Michael, etc. I thought they asked Jermaine good questions.

http://www.mjjcommunity.c...ost3604847

Reply #31 posted 03/01/12 10:51am

nursev

dag said:

beautiful wink

Reply #32 posted 03/01/12 10:52am

nursev

banks said:

Michael Jackson's Kid They FAKED My Dad's Voice on 'Michael' Album

0228_paris_micheal_album_getty_ex
Michael Jackson's daughter Paris made a bombshell announcement to friends ... telling them the MJ album released in the wake of the singer's death did NOT contain MJ's actual voice ... it was an imposter.

TMZ has learned ... the announcement was made during an online video chat with several friends in 2010 ... just before the "Michael" album was released, which contains several previously unreleased tracks allegedly performed by Michael Jackson.

The video chat was recorded ... and Paris joked about the footage eventually "leaking" to the Internet.

Paris had made the announcement in the midst of rumors that MJ's parts on the "Michael" album were REALLY performed by an MJ sound-alike named Jason Malachi ... but both Jason and Sony denied the allegations.

During the video chat, Paris played one of the songs from the album, "Hold My Hand" ... and one of her friends asks why the singer doesn't sound like MJ.

Paris replied, "It's NOT him ... the whole album isn't even him!! Go online ... go on YouTube and look up Jason Malachi. That's him!!"

She continues, "I should know if it's him or not because he would sing to me all the time."

TMZ has learned a recording of Paris' video message is being shopped to various media outlets ... and we're told "Offers are on the table."

Interesting-Paris looks so much like MJ to me eek

Reply #33 posted 03/01/12 12:42pm

dag

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #34 posted 03/01/12 10:36pm

JabarR74

Reply #35 posted 03/02/12 2:41am

alphastreet

Oh my god, he is SO beautiful and warm smile I just melted when his teacher called him dear and he came onstage, that smile was so sweet! Those lucky kids that had MJ come to their school! And that outfit is to die for.

Reply #36 posted 03/03/12 1:15am

ali23

dag said:

sad

Blocked in my country!

YOU DON'T NEED A BUS PASS FOR ME TO BUS YOUR ASS,NIGGA !
Reply #37 posted 03/03/12 1:21am

Timmy84

ali23 said:

dag said:

sad

Blocked in my country!

I hate that shit.

Reply #38 posted 03/03/12 11:40am

Emancipation89

Timmy84 said:

ali23 said:

sad

Blocked in my country!

I hate that shit.

And it seems like Youtube doesn't allow Who Is It music video...? I don't know why..

Reply #39 posted 03/03/12 11:59am

Timmy84

Emancipation89 said:

Timmy84 said:

I hate that shit.

And it seems like Youtube doesn't allow Who Is It music video...? I don't know why..

I got tired of wondering why a long time ago...

Reply #40 posted 03/03/12 4:47pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

mushy cry

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #41 posted 03/03/12 11:26pm

ali23

Timmy84 said:

Emancipation89 said:

And it seems like Youtube doesn't allow Who Is It music video...? I don't know why..

I got tired of wondering why a long time ago...

Thats ridiculous,I didnt even notice til' ya'll said that!

How long has it been that way?

YOU DON'T NEED A BUS PASS FOR ME TO BUS YOUR ASS,NIGGA !
Reply #42 posted 03/04/12 9:52am

mjforever

Reply #43 posted 03/05/12 12:09am

Emancipation89

ali23 said:

Timmy84 said:

I got tired of wondering why a long time ago...

Thats ridiculous,I didnt even notice til' ya'll said that!

How long has it been that way?

I'm pretty sure at some point during 2010 there was original Who Is It music video by vevo on youtube...and then recently I tried to look it up on youtube and I couldn't find it. Seems like they don't even allow fans to upload the original version, which is...quite pointless. I mean it's on vimeo and other video websites already, so why is it only banned from youtube? I don't get it..

This is what youtube says about the Who Is It video:

The original uploader's account was terminated due to "multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including UMG.

Reply #44 posted 03/05/12 1:15am

CrabalockerFishwife

mjforever said:

http://www.dailymail.co.u...tolen.html

hmmm

Interesting. How reliable is this? I've heard bad things about the daily mail.

I wonder if this means more leaks will be coming question

excerpt from the article (about Sony being hacked, and MJ music being stolen):

Michael Jackson's entire back catalogue has been stolen by internet hackers.

Sony music suffered its second major security breach in a year, with thieves targeting songs and unreleased material by the superstar singer.


It's alleged they downloaded more than 50,000 music files, worth £160million, in the biggest ever cyber attack on a music company.

[Edited 3/5/12 1:17am]

Reply #45 posted 03/05/12 1:26am

Timmy84

You know what they say about tabloid news, only about 10% of the story is true but 90% is made up. It's been known some of Michael's unreleased stuff has been hacked but to say the entire catalog is too much.

Reply #46 posted 03/05/12 1:43am

CrabalockerFishwife

Timmy84 said:

You know what they say about tabloid news, only about 10% of the story is true but 90% is made up. It's been known some of Michael's unreleased stuff has been hacked but to say the entire catalog is too much.

Yeah, I thought the "50,000 music files" was a bit strange..

[Edited 3/5/12 1:43am]

Reply #47 posted 03/05/12 1:45am

Timmy84

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Timmy84 said:

You know what they say about tabloid news, only about 10% of the story is true but 90% is made up. It's been known some of Michael's unreleased stuff has been hacked but to say the entire catalog is too much.

Yeah, I thought the "50,000 music files" was a bit strange..

[Edited 3/5/12 1:43am]

Yeah. And I doubt Michael even had THAT many...

Reply #48 posted 03/05/12 6:26am

dag

love

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #49 posted 03/05/12 6:46am

dollarsandcheese

mjforever said:


http://www.dailymail.co.u...tolen.html

hmmm

not EVERYTHING was stolen. Mostly the cascio tracks, which I dont really mind personally. The more chances for us to hear those craps songs the more we reduce the possibility for it to end up on a future MJ project. Right now it's possibly the cascio tracks and 5 other tracks.

$$$ & cheese
Reply #50 posted 03/05/12 6:47am

dollarsandcheese

And just so yall know this is NMuzakNSoul. lol

$$$ & cheese
Reply #51 posted 03/05/12 8:54am

NaughtyKitty

Michael Jackson Sony back catalog stolen by hackers

(CBS News) Two men in the U.K. have allegedly been arrested for illegally downloading 50,000 tracks from Sony's collection of Michael Jackson's back catalog, the Sunday Times reported.

According to the BBC, 26-year-old James Marks and 25-year-old James McCormick are the alleged offenders and were arrested last May. The two have reportedly been released on bail, with a trial scheduled for Jan. 2013. There's no indication that the men are associated with the hacking group Anonymous or LulzSec.

Jackson's entire back catalog was compromised, the latest report says. Sony purchased the rights from the Jackson estate in 2010 for $200 million to complete 10 projects over seven years,Billboard reported. The deal included permission to distribute previously unreleased tracks from "Thriller," "Bad" and "Off the Wall."

While the suspects have been apprehended, the damage may have already been done. If the files reach cyberspace, it will likely cheat the Jackson estate from the opportunity to release the rare tracks on their own terms. There's no information on whether or not any other Sony artists' catalogs were compromised. If so, the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Leonard Cohen and the Foo Fighters may also be victims of the transgression.

The actual crime happened last April when the Sony PlayStation Network was hack and shut down for 23 days due to hackers breaching the company's servers. Personal data from about 77 million customers were compromised in the cyber attack, including names, home addresses, birthdays, usernames and passwords. Sony apologized to customers and offered free identity theft protection services.

Hacking group LulzSec took credit for the security breach. In the following months, Sony Music Japan, Sony Online Entertainment, Sony Ericsson's online store and Sony Computer Entertainment Developer Network were all hacked.

According to CNET, there's no indication that Jackson's songs have circulated on the Internet yet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...y-hackers/

Michael Jackson Song Files Stolen by Hackers, Sony Confirms

http://www.billboard.com/...8152.story

[Edited 3/5/12 8:56am]

Reply #52 posted 03/05/12 9:16am

LittleBLUECorvette

At least this means we'll get some new music soon.
PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
-----
Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #53 posted 03/05/12 9:21am

CrabalockerFishwife

LittleBLUECorvette said:

At least this means we'll get some new music soon.

That's what I was thinking... but maybe not - it says this hacking supposedly happened last April. Surely the songs would've leaked by now.

Reply #54 posted 03/05/12 10:23am

Timmy84

CrabalockerFishwife said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

At least this means we'll get some new music soon.

That's what I was thinking... but maybe not - it says this hacking supposedly happened last April. Surely the songs would've leaked by now.

This.

Reply #55 posted 03/05/12 10:29am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

dollarsandcheese said:

And just so yall know this is NMuzakNSoul. lol

And the truth comes out!

Welcome home! hug

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #56 posted 03/05/12 10:31am

Timmy84

dollarsandcheese said:

And just so yall know this is NMuzakNSoul. lol

I knew your font sounded familiar. razz

Reply #57 posted 03/05/12 10:31am

NaughtyKitty

Timmy84 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

That's what I was thinking... but maybe not - it says this hacking supposedly happened last April. Surely the songs would've leaked by now.

This.

Maybe they're just slow in getting leaked out? Somebody's gotta have those songs, I think some of them might leak eventually. IDK shrug Will keep checking Youtube to see if anything pops up.

Reply #58 posted 03/05/12 10:32am

Timmy84

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

This.

Maybe they're just slow in getting leaked out? Somebody's gotta have those songs, I think some of them might leak eventually. IDK shrug Will keep checking Youtube to see if anything pops up.

They ain't gonna get leaked. I think people in the news sites are slow as hell because this happened last year and they're now reporting it? And 50,000? PLEASE! lol More like six. People love to make up numbers. I'm not falling for 50,000. lol

Reply #59 posted 03/05/12 11:22am

dollarsandcheese

Timmy84 said:

dollarsandcheese said:

And just so yall know this is NMuzakNSoul. lol

I knew your font sounded familiar. razz

I had a feeling awhile ago you caught on that it might be me. Lol.

$$$ & cheese
Reply #60 posted 03/05/12 11:25am

Timmy84

dollarsandcheese said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew your font sounded familiar. razz

I had a feeling awhile ago you caught on that it might be me. Lol.

Yeah I was thinking "is that who I think it is?" lol But I forgot to quote you then. But yeah, I see you mane! smile

[Edited 3/5/12 11:26am]

Reply #61 posted 03/05/12 11:52am

LittleBLUECorvette

CrabalockerFishwife said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

At least this means we'll get some new music soon.

That's what I was thinking... but maybe not - it says this hacking supposedly happened last April. Surely the songs would've leaked by now.

Whoever has it, is probably waiting for the right time.

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
-----
Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #62 posted 03/05/12 2:15pm

dm3857

Timmy84 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Yeah, I thought the "50,000 music files" was a bit strange..

[Edited 3/5/12 1:43am]

Yeah. And I doubt Michael even had THAT many...

i disagree, i dont think there are 50,000 NEW material..

but i think that if you combine ALL of michaels demo's of each song, ALL the different versions of each song,ALL motown outtakes, ALL outtakes from his solo records, and ALL the songs he recorded in his spare time. i would guess close to that.

Reply #63 posted 03/05/12 2:21pm

Timmy84

dm3857 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah. And I doubt Michael even had THAT many...

i disagree, i dont think there are 50,000 NEW material..

but i think that if you combine ALL of michaels demo's of each song, ALL the different versions of each song,ALL motown outtakes, ALL outtakes from his solo records, and ALL the songs he recorded in his spare time. i would guess close to that.

Motown keep their shit on lockdown... And Sony would have to know about copyright protection... I don't think 50,000 songs of his were leaked. Maybe six, or seven at the most. But 50,000? lol

Reply #64 posted 03/05/12 2:41pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

If this doesn't put a smile on your face, nothing will. lol biggrin

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #65 posted 03/05/12 7:21pm

Derek1984

NaughtyKitty said:

Michael Jackson Sony back catalog stolen by hackers

(CBS News) Two men in the U.K. have allegedly been arrested for illegally downloading 50,000 tracks from Sony's collection of Michael Jackson's back catalog, the Sunday Times reported.

According to the BBC, 26-year-old James Marks and 25-year-old James McCormick are the alleged offenders and were arrested last May. The two have reportedly been released on bail, with a trial scheduled for Jan. 2013. There's no indication that the men are associated with the hacking group Anonymous or LulzSec.

Jackson's entire back catalog was compromised, the latest report says. Sony purchased the rights from the Jackson estate in 2010 for $200 million to complete 10 projects over seven years,Billboard reported. The deal included permission to distribute previously unreleased tracks from "Thriller," "Bad" and "Off the Wall."

While the suspects have been apprehended, the damage may have already been done. If the files reach cyberspace, it will likely cheat the Jackson estate from the opportunity to release the rare tracks on their own terms. There's no information on whether or not any other Sony artists' catalogs were compromised. If so, the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Leonard Cohen and the Foo Fighters may also be victims of the transgression.

The actual crime happened last April when the Sony PlayStation Network was hack and shut down for 23 days due to hackers breaching the company's servers. Personal data from about 77 million customers were compromised in the cyber attack, including names, home addresses, birthdays, usernames and passwords. Sony apologized to customers and offered free identity theft protection services.

Hacking group LulzSec took credit for the security breach. In the following months, Sony Music Japan, Sony Online Entertainment, Sony Ericsson's online store and Sony Computer Entertainment Developer Network were all hacked.

According to CNET, there's no indication that Jackson's songs have circulated on the Internet yet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...y-hackers/

Michael Jackson Song Files Stolen by Hackers, Sony Confirms

http://www.billboard.com/...8152.story

[Edited 3/5/12 8:56am]

Come on baby, leak those Will.I.Am tracks. I don't have forever lol

Reply #66 posted 03/05/12 9:41pm

Ellie

Wonderful MJ tribute on the Got To Dance final this weekend from judge Ashley Banjo with Diversity.

Reply #67 posted 03/06/12 4:55am

CrabalockerFishwife

Timmy84 said:

dm3857 said:

i disagree, i dont think there are 50,000 NEW material..

but i think that if you combine ALL of michaels demo's of each song, ALL the different versions of each song,ALL motown outtakes, ALL outtakes from his solo records, and ALL the songs he recorded in his spare time. i would guess close to that.

Motown keep their shit on lockdown... And Sony would have to know about copyright protection... I don't think 50,000 songs of his were leaked. Maybe six, or seven at the most. But 50,000? lol

Re-reading one of the news stories, it claims not all 50,000 stolen files are Michael Jackson. it says "50,000 music files including Michael Jackson's entire back catalogue". Still don't know if the story is true..

Reply #68 posted 03/06/12 7:15am

Derek1984

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Reply #69 posted 03/06/12 8:59am

dollarsandcheese

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

$$$ & cheese
Reply #70 posted 03/06/12 9:01am

CrabalockerFishwife

dollarsandcheese said:

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

"Hold My Hand" ended up on MICHAEL and it was the first single.. so I don't think leaks will keep those songs from being released.. hopefully common sense will tell them not to release something they know most of MJs fans don't want.

Reply #71 posted 03/06/12 9:13am

mjscarousal

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

eek Wow

Reply #72 posted 03/06/12 10:02am

dag

Nice mix.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #73 posted 03/06/12 1:38pm

seeingvoices12

where are the songs? if they were stolen last year....

leaked better to be left on sony's hand , they are professional in destroying songs !

i'm a loser and people of the world are a hint of what might have been stolen! leak that shit already !lol

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
Reply #74 posted 03/06/12 1:44pm

CrabalockerFishwife

seeingvoices12 said:

where are the songs? if they were stolen last year....

leaked better to be left on sony's hand , they are professional in destroying songs !

i'm a loser and people of the world are a hint of what might have been stolen! leak that shit already !lol

I hope those two songs are put on the next album (hopefully not altered too much, or at all). Those two, and "Blue Gangsta" are the only leaks so far that I've been really excited about. The cascio songs, authenticity aside, just aren't that good - they don't need to be on the next album. If anything, save those for 50 years down the road when you're scraping the barrel.

Reply #75 posted 03/06/12 2:03pm

Timmy84

dollarsandcheese said:

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

nod

Reply #76 posted 03/06/12 2:26pm

Emancipation89

^^ Loved that dance tribute from Got To Dance, thanks for posting. It's nice to see some fresh choreography for MJ tribute biggrin

Wow, hackers? MJ fans...must be quite talented...lol, but does Sony really only have 1 copy of those songs that once they get stolen they honestly have nothing left? I doubt it...

CrabalockerFishwife said:

dollarsandcheese said:

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

"Hold My Hand" ended up on MICHAEL and it was the first single.. so I don't think leaks will keep those songs from being released.. hopefully common sense will tell them not to release something they know most of MJs fans don't want.

Hold My Hand isn't Cascio track though...

Reply #77 posted 03/06/12 2:28pm

CrabalockerFishwife

Emancipation89 said:

^^ Loved that dance tribute from Got To Dance, thanks for posting. It's nice to see some fresh choreography for MJ tribute biggrin

Wow, hackers? MJ fans...must be quite talented...lol, but does Sony really only have 1 copy of those songs that once they get stolen they honestly have nothing left? I doubt it...

CrabalockerFishwife said:

"Hold My Hand" ended up on MICHAEL and it was the first single.. so I don't think leaks will keep those songs from being released.. hopefully common sense will tell them not to release something they know most of MJs fans don't want.

Hold My Hand isn't Cascio track though...

What I was saying is... a song leaking doesn't prevent it from being released on an official album. Whoever I was responding to said that if the songs leak, they probably won't be put on an album.

Reply #78 posted 03/06/12 2:35pm

Emancipation89

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Emancipation89 said:

^^ Loved that dance tribute from Got To Dance, thanks for posting. It's nice to see some fresh choreography for MJ tribute biggrin

Wow, hackers? MJ fans...must be quite talented...lol, but does Sony really only have 1 copy of those songs that once they get stolen they honestly have nothing left? I doubt it...

Hold My Hand isn't Cascio track though...

What I was saying is... a song leaking doesn't prevent it from being released on an official album. Whoever I was responding to said that if the songs leak, they probably won't be put on an album.

hmm, I think it's more about those cascio tracks being on hands of MJ fans, rather than "leaking". I can imagine, if those tracks don't sound like MJ, the fans who stole those songs will likely to post that all over the internet saying that it's fake, (kind of like what some fans did with This Is NOT It website), then it may be hard for Sony to ignore them and go ahead and release those songs.

But I personally wanna hear anything and everything.

Reply #79 posted 03/06/12 3:18pm

LiLi1992

I hate the sticky topic ..... but in such moments, I realize that it is needed, otherwise this section will be drowned in the wars, battles and conflicts ... the presence of MJ in the section "Music: Non-Prince" is too strong. A kind of desperation ... confused

Reply #80 posted 03/06/12 5:59pm

Derek1984

I'd like to know more about those Cascio tracks... What I mean is who paid for them? Was it Sony or the Estate? And did the party that paid for them actually listen to them BEFORE they bought them off the Cascio's? I'm just confused about how the whole process what down.

Whatever the case, my guess is $ony forced those Cascio tracks out because of the investment and they thought the sound would be radio friendly.

Reply #81 posted 03/06/12 6:28pm

CrabalockerFishwife

Derek1984 said:

Whatever the case, my guess is $ony forced those Cascio tracks out because of the investment and they thought the sound would be radio friendly.

I doubt it, being that "Breaking News" was only a promotional single; and the other two weren't singles at all. Clearly Sony didn't think there was hit potential in those songs, or they would've been singles.

Reply #82 posted 03/06/12 7:05pm

Derek1984

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Derek1984 said:

Whatever the case, my guess is $ony forced those Cascio tracks out because of the investment and they thought the sound would be radio friendly.

I doubt it, being that "Breaking News" was only a promotional single; and the other two weren't singles at all. Clearly Sony didn't think there was hit potential in those songs, or they would've been singles.

The other Cascio tracks weren't singles because of the instant outrage from fans saying they were fake. Sony had no choice but not to release them as singles. It was so bad, an official statement had to be released defending the authenticity of the tracks. Otherwise, I think they would've been released as singles. Why else do you think they slapped 50 Cent on one of them? Sony intended them to be hits. They really thought they could pull it off.

Reply #83 posted 03/06/12 7:19pm

Timmy84

Derek1984 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I doubt it, being that "Breaking News" was only a promotional single; and the other two weren't singles at all. Clearly Sony didn't think there was hit potential in those songs, or they would've been singles.

The other Cascio tracks weren't singles because of the instant outrage from fans saying they were fake. Sony had no choice but not to release them as singles. It was so bad, an official statement had to be released defending the authenticity of the tracks. Otherwise, I think they would've been released as singles. Why else do you think they slapped 50 Cent on one of them? Sony intended them to be hits. They really thought they could pull it off.

Sony knew better than to pull that shit...

Reply #84 posted 03/06/12 11:00pm

mjscarousal

Timmy84 said:

Derek1984 said:

The other Cascio tracks weren't singles because of the instant outrage from fans saying they were fake. Sony had no choice but not to release them as singles. It was so bad, an official statement had to be released defending the authenticity of the tracks. Otherwise, I think they would've been released as singles. Why else do you think they slapped 50 Cent on one of them? Sony intended them to be hits. They really thought they could pull it off.

Sony knew better than to pull that shit...

disbelief

They really thought MJ fans are THAT desperate and dumb eek Backfired BIG time... looking forward to the new music

Reply #85 posted 03/07/12 12:14am

claudiax

MJ's conversations with glenda, his children, and his husband sam .. they are rewatching enough..... The First time that I find all the complete transcriptions eek

He’s 32 here so this is sometime between August 29th 1990 – August 29th 1991

Conversation between Sam and Michael

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? you can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…]
S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies. The way you feel, don’t you know better, don’t you know that, no matter what, that I don’t want, I don’t want to do anything to hurt you all?
S: We know that.
MJ: No, I’m serious. You don’t understand. No matter what. I don’t.
S: I know you don’t. And everything’s good. You’ve always been good to me and I think you’re waking up. If I ever thought that you’d, uh, was being other than, you know, just you know just genuine, we wouldn’t have the relationship we have. I have no doubts about that.
MJ: About, that I don’t want to hurt you all?
S: Yeah. never been, never been an issue.
MJ: But no matter what, I mean, nothing, I don’t want to hurt you people.
S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so
S: I have a lot of empathy for you.
MJ: No.
S: Yes I do. I, Uh, I would think that, uh, after talking to you I had the strongest feeling yesterday that the fact that you are who you are and, uh, that you have to put up this front and there’s plenty of people pulling you in so many directions. It’s uh, you have to smile when the cameras are on and, uh, it’s very lonely. You’ve said it yourself so many times. It’s lonely–
MJ: It’s pretend. It’s like the 2300, like the video, like the mini-series, like growing up um with Motown and they tell you, they prep you. Like living with Diane (he calls her Diane here, not Diana). They tell you what to say, what not to say. The lies I had to tell. Um. Diana. Diana discovered the Jacksons. That wasn’t true. She did not discover us. But it’s publicity. It’s pretend.
S: Who discovered you really?
MJ: Bobby Taylor and we went to a party and, uh, Gladys Knight. Diana, Diane had nothin’ to do with it.
S: I guess she was just the big name at the time huh?
MJ: And then I was supposed to be a certain age. Well, I, Okay, like, when I first came out, I had to lie about my age, but
S: How come?
MJ: Because it’s publicity. You don’t understand.
S: How old were you? How old were you and how old did you say you were?
MJ: I said I was 10 and I was 11.
S: How come that would make a difference?
MJ: Think about it. Think about it because (squeals in high voice) Oh! Oh he’s only 10 years old!
S: Imitates same squeal They say, oh oh you’re only –
MJ: No, you have to lie about things. You have to cover up. You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people. And the stories, well, they used to come out with when we were little. There was this one story, some magazine. I think it was “16” magazine back then. I was 13. and they lying and they have all these really weird kinda stories like Michael made this handicapped girl walk again because she saved Chester the cat. There was no Chester the cat. It was just lies. It was just…
S: they make you lie?
MJ: It sells, you know?
S: It sells records?
MJ: “Oh look what a fantastic person he is. You saved this girl’s life. She almost got run over by a lawn mower and she walked.” and
S: …like that dying little black boy?…
MJ: Pardon?
S: …?…that dying little black kid. Is it true how much of a the little dying black boy…dying child …dying kid…?…comes to get you, (I) Michael Jackson, famous kid.
MJ: It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.
S: Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

eek

Reply #86 posted 03/07/12 6:56am

NaughtyKitty

Destiny Tour New Orleans 1979 (full concert!)

If only this and other concerts got a proper DVD release sigh

Reply #87 posted 03/07/12 7:08am

dag

claudiax said:

MJ's conversations with glenda, his children, and his husband sam .. they are rewatching enough..... The First time that I find all the complete transcriptions eek

He’s 32 here so this is sometime between August 29th 1990 – August 29th 1991

Conversation between Sam and Michael

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? you can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…]
S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies. The way you feel, don’t you know better, don’t you know that, no matter what, that I don’t want, I don’t want to do anything to hurt you all?
S: We know that.
MJ: No, I’m serious. You don’t understand. No matter what. I don’t.
S: I know you don’t. And everything’s good. You’ve always been good to me and I think you’re waking up. If I ever thought that you’d, uh, was being other than, you know, just you know just genuine, we wouldn’t have the relationship we have. I have no doubts about that.
MJ: About, that I don’t want to hurt you all?
S: Yeah. never been, never been an issue.
MJ: But no matter what, I mean, nothing, I don’t want to hurt you people.
S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so
S: I have a lot of empathy for you.
MJ: No.
S: Yes I do. I, Uh, I would think that, uh, after talking to you I had the strongest feeling yesterday that the fact that you are who you are and, uh, that you have to put up this front and there’s plenty of people pulling you in so many directions. It’s uh, you have to smile when the cameras are on and, uh, it’s very lonely. You’ve said it yourself so many times. It’s lonely–
MJ: It’s pretend. It’s like the 2300, like the video, like the mini-series, like growing up um with Motown and they tell you, they prep you. Like living with Diane (he calls her Diane here, not Diana). They tell you what to say, what not to say. The lies I had to tell. Um. Diana. Diana discovered the Jacksons. That wasn’t true. She did not discover us. But it’s publicity. It’s pretend.
S: Who discovered you really?
MJ: Bobby Taylor and we went to a party and, uh, Gladys Knight. Diana, Diane had nothin’ to do with it.
S: I guess she was just the big name at the time huh?
MJ: And then I was supposed to be a certain age. Well, I, Okay, like, when I first came out, I had to lie about my age, but
S: How come?
MJ: Because it’s publicity. You don’t understand.
S: How old were you? How old were you and how old did you say you were?
MJ: I said I was 10 and I was 11.
S: How come that would make a difference?
MJ: Think about it. Think about it because (squeals in high voice) Oh! Oh he’s only 10 years old!
S: Imitates same squeal They say, oh oh you’re only –
MJ: No, you have to lie about things. You have to cover up. You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people. And the stories, well, they used to come out with when we were little. There was this one story, some magazine. I think it was “16” magazine back then. I was 13. and they lying and they have all these really weird kinda stories like Michael made this handicapped girl walk again because she saved Chester the cat. There was no Chester the cat. It was just lies. It was just…
S: they make you lie?
MJ: It sells, you know?
S: It sells records?
MJ: “Oh look what a fantastic person he is. You saved this girl’s life. She almost got run over by a lawn mower and she walked.” and
S: …like that dying little black boy?…
MJ: Pardon?
S: …?…that dying little black kid. Is it true how much of a the little dying black boy…dying child …dying kid…?…comes to get you, (I) Michael Jackson, famous kid.
MJ: It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.
S: Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

eek

What is that? And isn't Glenda a woman? Are those the phone conversations?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #88 posted 03/07/12 7:41am

mjscarousal

dag said:

claudiax said:

MJ's conversations with glenda, his children, and his husband sam .. they are rewatching enough..... The First time that I find all the complete transcriptions eek

He’s 32 here so this is sometime between August 29th 1990 – August 29th 1991

Conversation between Sam and Michael

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? you can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…]
S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies. The way you feel, don’t you know better, don’t you know that, no matter what, that I don’t want, I don’t want to do anything to hurt you all?
S: We know that.
MJ: No, I’m serious. You don’t understand. No matter what. I don’t.
S: I know you don’t. And everything’s good. You’ve always been good to me and I think you’re waking up. If I ever thought that you’d, uh, was being other than, you know, just you know just genuine, we wouldn’t have the relationship we have. I have no doubts about that.
MJ: About, that I don’t want to hurt you all?
S: Yeah. never been, never been an issue.
MJ: But no matter what, I mean, nothing, I don’t want to hurt you people.
S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so
S: I have a lot of empathy for you.
MJ: No.
S: Yes I do. I, Uh, I would think that, uh, after talking to you I had the strongest feeling yesterday that the fact that you are who you are and, uh, that you have to put up this front and there’s plenty of people pulling you in so many directions. It’s uh, you have to smile when the cameras are on and, uh, it’s very lonely. You’ve said it yourself so many times. It’s lonely–
MJ: It’s pretend. It’s like the 2300, like the video, like the mini-series, like growing up um with Motown and they tell you, they prep you. Like living with Diane (he calls her Diane here, not Diana). They tell you what to say, what not to say. The lies I had to tell. Um. Diana. Diana discovered the Jacksons. That wasn’t true. She did not discover us. But it’s publicity. It’s pretend.
S: Who discovered you really?
MJ: Bobby Taylor and we went to a party and, uh, Gladys Knight. Diana, Diane had nothin’ to do with it.
S: I guess she was just the big name at the time huh?
MJ: And then I was supposed to be a certain age. Well, I, Okay, like, when I first came out, I had to lie about my age, but
S: How come?
MJ: Because it’s publicity. You don’t understand.
S: How old were you? How old were you and how old did you say you were?
MJ: I said I was 10 and I was 11.
S: How come that would make a difference?
MJ: Think about it. Think about it because (squeals in high voice) Oh! Oh he’s only 10 years old!
S: Imitates same squeal They say, oh oh you’re only –
MJ: No, you have to lie about things. You have to cover up. You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people. And the stories, well, they used to come out with when we were little. There was this one story, some magazine. I think it was “16” magazine back then. I was 13. and they lying and they have all these really weird kinda stories like Michael made this handicapped girl walk again because she saved Chester the cat. There was no Chester the cat. It was just lies. It was just…
S: they make you lie?
MJ: It sells, you know?
S: It sells records?
MJ: “Oh look what a fantastic person he is. You saved this girl’s life. She almost got run over by a lawn mower and she walked.” and
S: …like that dying little black boy?…
MJ: Pardon?
S: …?…that dying little black kid. Is it true how much of a the little dying black boy…dying child …dying kid…?…comes to get you, (I) Michael Jackson, famous kid.
MJ: It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.
S: Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

eek

What is that? And isn't Glenda a woman? Are those the phone conversations?

Those are the Glenda conversations...

Reply #89 posted 03/07/12 8:56am

dag

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #90 posted 03/07/12 8:57am

dag

mjscarousal said:

dag said:

What is that? And isn't Glenda a woman? Are those the phone conversations?

Those are the Glenda conversations...

But Glenda is a woman, isn't she? So why does it say "his children"?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #91 posted 03/07/12 9:10am

mjscarousal

Reply #92 posted 03/07/12 9:11am

mjscarousal

dag said:

mjscarousal said:

Those are the Glenda conversations...

But Glenda is a woman, isn't she? So why does it say "his children"?

Glenda is a woman. Im not sure why the transcript says children...The phone conversation is between Michael and Glenda.

Reply #93 posted 03/07/12 9:45am

mookie

Message from the Estate:

Great News! Michael Jackson The IMMORTAL World Tour is the #1 tour in America and has been since the show’s US premiere in Las Vegas last December, according to Pollstar magazine, the concert tour industry’s leading trade publication. The show is breaking box office records: Over the weekend in Miami, IMMORTAL was sold out three nights in a row and set a new record as the top grossing 3-day run in the history of the American Airlines Arena. Fans around the country have been tremendously supportive, and what’s more, the show’s incredible musical performances, choreography and visuals have drawn new fans to Michael’s music and legacy. It’s the biggest, most successful tour in the country! This is just what Michael would have wanted and deserves. Michael has always been and will always be the Biggest Star in the World thanks to his fans!

Reply #94 posted 03/07/12 10:01am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

I heard from Jay that the Glenda conversations were proved to be fraudulent. The person behind them confessed and he/she was sued.

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #95 posted 03/07/12 10:15am

Derek1984

mookie said:

Message from the Estate:

Great News! Michael Jackson The IMMORTAL World Tour is the #1 tour in America and has been since the show’s US premiere in Las Vegas last December, according to Pollstar magazine, the concert tour industry’s leading trade publication. The show is breaking box office records: Over the weekend in Miami, IMMORTAL was sold out three nights in a row and set a new record as the top grossing 3-day run in the history of the American Airlines Arena. Fans around the country have been tremendously supportive, and what’s more, the show’s incredible musical performances, choreography and visuals have drawn new fans to Michael’s music and legacy. It’s the biggest, most successful tour in the country! This is just what Michael would have wanted and deserves. Michael has always been and will always be the Biggest Star in the World thanks to his fans!

It's a great show. I saw it opening night in Monteal with the Jackson family literally only 2 rows behind me. I plan on seeing it multiple times. This was something the Estate got right.

Reply #96 posted 03/07/12 11:00am

Timmy84

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I heard from Jay that the Glenda conversations were proved to be fraudulent. The person behind them confessed and he/she was sued.

Interesting...

Reply #97 posted 03/07/12 11:25am

NaughtyKitty

Lawyer: Jackson theft accused will prove innocence

LONDON (AP) — Two Michael Jackson fans accused of stealing unreleased music by the late King of Pop from Sony's computers are confident they can prove their innocence in court, their lawyer said Wednesday.

Solicitor Karen Todner said James Marks and Jamie McCormick "are eager to point out to Michael Jackson's fans and family that they would never do anything to harm the legacy that is Michael Jackson's music."

"As Michael Jackson has said," she added, "'Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons.'"

The two British men were arrested last year after Sony Music Entertainment noticed a breach of its systems.

The entertainment company has a seven-year deal, worth up to $250 million, to sell unreleased recordings by Jackson, who died in 2009 at the age of 50.

Sony says no customer data were compromised in the attack on the company's internal music-sharing system.

Marks, 26, and McCormick, 25, pleaded not guilty last week at Leicester Crown Court in central England to computer misuse and copyright offenses. They were freed on bail and are due to stand trial in January.

The case is not believed to be linked to Anonymous or Lulz Security, loose-knit hackers' collectives, broadly sympathetic to the WikiLeaks' secret-spilling site, who have targeted government and corporate websites around the world.

Last year, hackers targeted Sony Playstation and Sony Online Entertainment networks, compromising personal information, email addresses and the security of millions of user accounts. At the time, Lulz Security claimed responsibility for the hack.

On Tuesday, the FBI announced that five alleged Lulz Security members had been arrested in the U.S., Britain and Ireland after one of the group's leading hackers turned informant.

http://news.yahoo.com/law...39131.html

Reply #98 posted 03/07/12 1:38pm

claudiax

mjscarousal said:

dag said:

But Glenda is a woman, isn't she? So why does it say "his children"?

Glenda is a woman. Im not sure why the transcript says children...The phone conversation is between Michael and Glenda.

The telephonic conversations are between michael and glenda, michael and the children of glenda, and of MJ with the husband of glenda... They are many conversations..

She is Glenda Stein with MJ

Date: June 1992, rehearsals for the Dangerous World Tour

MJ: Yeah
G: I think the strangest conversation was the one that I witnessed between you and La Toya.
MJ: Oh god.
G: When, oh you (laughs), when she was being um… When she was being um, escorted… I guess she was at the condo when she was being escorted out. Do you remember that one?
MJ: No.
G: Don’t you remember?
MJ: Well, refresh my memory.
G: I think (i) I think it was when you were in Africa. Then Janet came on the phone, and I don’t know what she said, or why she got so upset with La Toya. Oh, I think, oh I know what it was, ‘cuz she said she was gonna tell Bill.
MJ: Oh, yeah and Janet was on the phone and you were on the phone and….
G: Yeah, remember that? That was…ugh…I couldn’t believe I was sitting there witnessing this, it was terrible, I felt so bad I thought I should hang up but I didn’t.
MJ: (Laughing)
G: Alright, so alright, you wanted to ask me something (i) let’s get this out of the way?
MJ: I wanna what?
G: You wanted to ask me something?
MJ: Oh, no I didn’t wanna ask you something, I just wanted to let you know.
G: Oh, you just going to let me know. So, okay what did she do, she came to your office?
MJ: Yeah, and I was in the back office…
G: So she knows where your office is?
MJ: Of course she always knows where all the offices are. . .
G: Oh ok…
MJ: Anyway, I did what I said I was gunna do…
G: You put a towel over your head? Did you find a towel?
MJ: Yeah a white towel…
G: Laughs..and a hat?
MJ: Excuse me?
G: And a hat? That must have been a sight..
MJ: Yeah.. you know the hat that I always wear…
G: And then what happened? You went outside and saw her and what?
MJ: Yeah, I had to leave the office because I had a rehearsal to go to.. and so she….talked to me…
G: Well, what did she say?
MJ: She talked to me, said you’ve been avoiding me?(of course not) and about drawing conclusions .. and stuff and I said well.. and then we left because we had a rehearsal and stuff… she’s a, you know, she’s a coordinator and stuff… and she does a lot of stuff with the band
G: She models too?
MJ: She does all kinds of things. So we had a rehearsal and of course she was gonna be there.. and um.. so we talked during the break because the band was still, they were still getting things together , the band members and the dancers and stuff…my dancers were going to be working with me…
G: Is she going on tour with you?
MJ: No… Not anymore………. but um… uh, we had lunch together, we did lunch. She told me she goes like, Michael, why can I never get through to you and I said.. I well I don’t wanna call you because I said you know (CUT in audio) done and spend some time with you and stuff. And So… We were.. talking the situation that had happened…and she said.. so she goes I love you Michael and I’ll do whatever it takes and all that, right? and um, so I had to be honest with her..and she told me..one of the things that she told me today was, she goes like.. well I’d like to spend some time with you before you leave because of what happened you know..
G: Is that what she told you?
MJ: No she knew before that…that.. because I was kinda interested in her.. and I know I can trust this girl, like I told you a long time ago right? I said I know I can trust her, I don’t have any bad feelings I told you that…
G: Michael?
MJ: Huh?
G: Did you ever tell Kathy?…
MJ: No I haven’t…please… believe me now…
G: Eh, Alright.. it just blows me away because you guys have known each other for such a long time and she’s so devoted to you..
MJ: Well you know its not like I tell everyone that I’ve known for a long time…Kathy and I have not spoken and stuff since all that stuff with my brothers was going on I will tell her eventually… you know.. when I feel like talking… I just don’t want to now. I mean I know a lot of people.. .and..I don’t think (i) not that Kathy would do anything to betray me…but anyway.. when she was talking to me, she’s like, she goes..well I know your situation, I had a towel on my head and I got a surgical mask … you know… I could never see you again.. or something should happen and I’m really worried about that and I just wanna be with you..you know, one to one.. without the gang being around..its just its important to me.. to be with you I don’t care. I really want to spend time with you…
G: Go on!
MJ: Ya know that’s what she said…. like it doesn’t matter, no matter what ya know? she told me that she’s afraid she’s going to lose me as a friend or whatever, she’s afraid she’s not going to see me
G: But she must care for you.
MJ: Yeah, I know she does.
G: So what are you gonna do?
MJ: Well.. I’m gonna, I’m gonna be with her…hold on let me just.. (i)
G: Okay
MJ: And she said well I want whats best for you! I said dammit! let me make my own mistakes!If it’s a mistake fine, if its not fine, but just…
G: How come people are so protective of you, Michael? You know you have a lot of people who really love you and want whats best for you, you’re not alone.
MJ: It doesn’t matter, I make my own choices and my own decisions.
G: Tell me something, you know what? You told me before that you’re the loneliest person
MJ: I am!
G: Then how can you be that way when there are so many people…
MJ: Because I don’t love those people like that! I want to be with someone…I want to know what a relationship is all about before I die, can’t you understand that girl? I never had… I mean I’ve been with Tate… I’ve been, well not with… I been with Tate. I thought I was with Diana… that was just in my own mind.
G: You were a little boy.
MJ: I know, I have never had a real relationship, my brothers have been married… My brothers have had girlfriends I really haven’t had that….
G: How long did it take you to get over Diana?
MJ: Years… A hell of a long time. I just wanna know what it’s like, girl, to have a real relationship with someone who doesn’t want me for me. That I don’t, I don’t have to look over my shoulder all the time…
G: That doesn’t have an ulterior motive..?
MJ: Yeah, that doesn’t question me.. I mean..(i) I don’t… and, and.. like La Toya said in her book.. she said, either I am going to have to find somebody who doesn’t even know who the heck I am…
G: (i)
MJ: Orrr..oorr deal with somebody whose career is equally as important, or equally like mine.
G: Well.. a nix to both of those.
MJ: What am I gonna do… I don’t want to die without knowing about… having a real relationship with a women or being involved… I don’t../ I was involved but we never did anything… we never really had sex…
G: But that was your decision, that wasn’t her’s I mean
MJ: But.. ya.. but girl, girlfriend had my nose wide open… okay, you could drive a truck through my nose.
G: Laughs…That is the craziest expression. How did they come up with that… I am just wondering who thought of it.. I don’t understand how your nose can be wide open
MJ: I don’t know
G: But it had to come from somewhere and I just wanted to the people who made it up.
G: It’s the craziest expression I have ever heard
MJ: It’s a black thing
G: ( Laughing) Black thing? What is it with your nose? I can’t understand how your nose can be wide open?
MJ: I don’t know..(whispers–It’s just, it’s personal)
G: I mean it had to come from somewhere. Somebody had to have made it up and I was wondering what they were thinking when they made it up?
MJ: It’s a black secret
G: OK Laughing
MJ: So I loved her so much..GOD
G: So was that the first time..
MJ: No, no (whispers) (it was in her bedroom?)
G: Where did Tatum and that..what was that other girls…
MJ: Tate..I dealt with Tate when I was a little bit younger..She came up to me in a club..we were in a club..(she came up to me?) and she put her hand on mind and I couldn’t believe it (break in tape){This is obvious the poster of these audios was throwing us off. They skip from talking about Tatum O’Neal to this woman)…Glenda laughing..Now they are talking about someone else)
MJ: …anything. I would give her money, I would give her jewelry, I would give her a house, a car, whatever.. I was never good enough. It was like…ya know..
G: Well she wanted all of you Michael..she wanted a relationship
MJ: She knew how I was from the beginning..it wasn’t like she didn’t
G: Well she was probably hoping then that it would change
MJ: But, not until I got married
G: Well I know that..and I’m sure that she loved you..and when you have been with somebody for that many years
MJ: I loved her so much..I didn’t want to see that..I did not want to see that.and I knew she was fooling around..I know girl..I know it for a FACT
G: Don’t you think that attracted you to the fact that she was such a strong person and she stood up for you against your dad and she was always there..wasn’t that a lot of the attraction?
MJ: Yeah
G Because she’s older than you huh?
MJ: well yeah…
G: (beep sound) That you were drawn to that.
MJ: Yeah I was
G: (I)
MJ: And I was so in love and I had my nose wide open and I didn’t want to believe what was really going on. (Tape cut)..It didn’t matter..she was (Tape cut) (I), but, that’s another story. (I) And it was a good thing that it was finally over.
G: You don’t have any regrets?
MJ: No, uh uh, I don’t regret that I didn’t sleep with her. I’m glad I didn’t. (I)….
G: Yeah, that’s a long story.
MJ: I didn’t. I wish it changed but I haven’t experienced it before, ever.. having a relationship like that before, I never …Being in a normal…having a relationship with someone (I) I never had that.
G: Well, I think everybody wants too…
MJ: But, I HAVEN’T
G: Okay
MJ: And that’s what I want. I know I’m not going to be here very long or whatever.
G: I hope it will be years..
MJ: What?
G: How long do you think you will be here?
MJ: You can’t ask me, I don’t know, what kind of question is that I don’t know
G: You don’t have any ideas?
MJ: I don’t know…I mean, you could come up with all kind of statistics and facts and die!
G: But you said you think (I) Now? (I)
MJ: Well you know, like Melissa told me today..and she was right… she said like I want to see you I want to spend time with you before you leave.. I don’t care.. what the circumstances are, because she knows my situation now…. and shes like I don’t care whatever you want.. but I dont know if I will ever see you again and stuff.. she was honest enough, I mean, she told me..
G: She sounds very good.
MJ: It doesn’t matter with her no matter what, ya know!
G: She sounds very nice. She sounds very good.
MJ: I don’t want to die not having like, a relationship like everybody else around me have had… I don’t want to die.
G: I know, I think that to accept you
MJ: For someone to accept me, and I’ve never experienced that, for someone to accept me totally no matter what.
G: That’s hard to find Michael.
MJ: I don’t have time to wait.
G: You’re pushing 34 my dear. Laughing
MJ: Yeah and I have never had that. I’ve never had that kind of relationship. Like I’m alone (Tape cut). Everyone else I know have had it..But, I never have.
G: Well, I guess it’s time you get it.
MJ: I know it is. (Tape Cut)….I trusted her. Even though we had fallen in love (even though we had a little falling out?). I ruin my own relationships. Agree?
G: You do!
MJ: Oh, I won’t do that. I don’t know how I’m gonna get it (I)
G: You sabotage your own relationships.
MJ: Well, I won’t do it.
(Tape cut)
G: Because it sounds like she loved you
MJ: Yeah (I) What?
G: That will be very sad!
(tape cut)
MJ: don’t know what I’m gonna do
(tape cut)
G: I think it is important that you hold on to everything that you hold dear.
MJ: What?
G: I think that it is important that you hold on to everything that you hold dear
MJ: (Tape cut) (I hold on to a lot of things?)
G: (I)everything that you hold dear?
MJ: You know what I want
G: Isn’t that right?
MJ: Yeah I do and it hurts me (I) since people and situations and stuff (tape cut) But, I’m sure, I’m sure about it
G: You have a lot of people that love you very much…you do…
MJ: I have a lot of people that I don’t know what’s going on
G: About you? And you don’t want them to, But you have to hold those people dear, don’t let them go, don’t hold them, open doors.
MJ: But at least I have with some of my brothers (I) involved (trust them?)….
G: That’s good..That’s very good. Because I know you’ve been through a lot(I) Do you figure you’ll be able to do that?

Conversation between Michael and Glenda’s son Justin Stein

Date: approximately in June/July 1992 then in the fall Septemberish 1992

J: Hi
MJ: How you doing Justin?
J: Good
MJ: So what’s up?
J: Nothing
MJ: you wanted to talk to me about something
J: Uh huh
MJ: About what?
J: I don’t know
MJ: You don’t know?
J: Uh huh
MJ: What’s the matter?
J: Nothing
MJ: So what have you been up too?
J: Reading a lot
MJ: Oh yeah. What cha reading?
J: UM. One book is called “School’s Out” and one of them is “??Westside?? School” and then one I was reading um, a little while ago was um, is called “Maggie Maggie”
MJ: Muggie Muggie? (I think he misunderstood him)
J: Uh huh
MJ: Which one is your favorite?
J: um, Schools Out
MJ: And your school’s out, right?
J: Huh
MJ: Your school’s out?
J: Yeah
MJ: So what are you doing this summer?
J: (I) music and going on camps
MJ: That will be fun, huh?
J: Yeah. Today I went to Kids Space Museum
MJ: Huh?
J: Kids Space
MJ: Yeah?
J: Uh huh. Then we did dress up and then we had like a beach and I had my… a bunch of shells in cases and two chairs and then it had a whole bunch of sand on the ground and buckets and shovels and on the wall it was painted like water and fish in the water and a bottle floating in the water and at the bottom there is like a big treasure chest
MJ: (I)
J: Yeah, um they had like ocean noises. I had fun..I went to the beach. Newport (I) the other day.
MJ: Yeah?
J: Yeah. And one guy…he was drunk..and he went out in the water
MJ: Yeah?
J: and um, the lifeguard had to go out there and get him..and he was like walking the wrong way and stuff
MJ: He was what?
J: Like..when she was telling him to go over here, he was walking the other way.
MJ: Oh really? Because he was drunk?
J: Yeah, and there was a great big huge whale out there. It was making real big water..(I) .touch and so um…he like went high..one of the big whales..on top of the water
MJ: (I) Water
J: And my mom made a tape for me
MJ: Yeah?
J: of Janet and…Have you seen the new tape out Madonna made?
MJ: Yeah
J: About “This Used To Be My Playground”
MJ: Yeah
J: She made that one and she got the tape of it so she put on the song “This used to be my playground”
MJ: Yeah
J: The one that Madonna sings, she put that on it… And she put on um Prince, that one Money Don’t Matter 2 Night and (I?) and Fine Young Cannibals
MJ: Oh Yeah?
J: “She Drives Me Crazy”
MJ: How’s your friend… that little girl I talked to?
J: Oh Jill? She’s good…

(Break in Tape – The transcript above took place when school was out in the summer and the one below, Justin is in school.)

J: I have a bad sunburn on my face.
MJ: Really?
J: Yeah. At school the teacher had to put that um like gel on my back
MJ: Uh huh
J: Aloe Vera
MJ: Aloe Vera?
J: Yeah..One of the teachers at our school…he got like blisters from the sunburn on his back
MJ: Ewww
J: and he’s allergic to Aloe Vera.
MJ: really?
J: Yeah, so he can’t put it on. He had gel. Another kid..he had like a sunburn it was making his back peel and Edward peeled off pieces of his skin because it waslike peeling off..And then there was another teacher. She had cancer when she was 11 yrs old and she had it in her leg..so she lost one of her legs..and now it’s like a big pole and it has like a cushion all around it and her foot is made of rubber.
MJ: Yeah?
J: and this is funny….she said this is funny..but, she would scare people by letting cars run over her foot
MJ: Laughing..That’s funny..Laughing
J: And we would all go “Theres a car running over her foot!“ (I) it was funny
MJ: Laughing
J: and she um she like whenever we were playing a game of cards..I would stick my nails in her leg.
MJ: Yeah
J: And she would just keep on playing. She wouldn’t even notice it. Well it was wierd.
(Somebody said “Hello”…I don’t know who that was) (another kid)(Probably grabbed the kids phone)
MJ: Yeah, I have a friend in (I)he has a wooden leg.
J: He does? Wooden?
MJ: Yeah, his name is Mike
J: Mike?
MJ: Yeah, he’s got a wooden leg. He got his leg…what happened was he got his leg shot off
J: Shot off?
MJ: Yeah
J: Oh you just reminded me of the friend at school..his dad was a firefighter and he like in that ..you know that fire thingie that happened? That is happening..Yeah, in LA (He’s talking about the Rodney King Riots in April 29th 1992, LA)
MJ: What fire?
J: It was like a big fire and people were getting shot and stuff
MJ: Yeah, when was this?
J: and his father got shot
MJ: When was this?
J: This um..the Rodney King Thing happened
MJ: Oh, when they were having all
J: Like those things
MJ: The riots?
J: Yeah, the riots
MJ: Yeah?
J: Um..His father was in it and he got shot and he’s ok.
MJ: Yeah that’s good
(CUT TAPE)
MJ: I have a dog..and I have its….its a doberman..a guard dog. (I) big
J: He’s big? Bigger than Sasha?
MJ: Oh yeah, Much bigger
MJ: He’s a Doberman…You know what a Doberman Pincher looks like?
J: No
MJ: Oh ..They’re beautiful
J: Yeah? Real Beautiful?
MJ: Yeah..He’s black and tan..He’s got a black face and tan eyebrows and his Muzzle’s tan and he’s got a lttle tail…Well see…Dobermans have these long tails, but people cut them off and make them short. So he’s got a little stubby tail. It’s maybe 2 inches long.
J: Does it.. is it hurting when they cut off his tail
MJ: Does it what?
J: Hurt?
MJ: No, it doesn’t….HOLD ON PLEASE (talking to someone in background)
J: Okay
(faint talking in background..then Michael comes back)
MJ: Yeah they cut their tales off and their ears also
J: They cut off their ears too? (acts real upset)
MJ: Well see..You know..Remember my dog I brought over there? She’s too little..
J: She’s way to little
MJ: Yeah and they teach the Doberman Pinchers to be mean and aggressive to attack
J: Is yours mean?
MJ: Yeah, the one I have here. He’s real mean. He’s a Guard Dog. He protects me.
J: If I pet him, would he bite me?
MJ: Well, he’s okay around children. You see…if you give him a command (I) and you give him ??TONTO?? (the dog’s name??) a command you say ATTACK, then he’ll attack somebody
J: If a child did that?
MJ: What
J: Even if a child does that?
MJ: If..Ok..Like He has a trainer ??TONTO?? has a trainer. If a trainer calls for ??TONTO?? to attack, he would attack whoever he had to attack. Even a child.
J: Did you hear about the first time when I came visiting..I walked in and SASHA looked at my face and she liked… she liked looked at me in a weird way
MJ: Yeah
J: And she like opened her mouth like she was going to bite me and she came closer and started (I). I felt like (I) face
MJ: You felt What?
J: It looked like she was going to bite me. But she just came up, and it felt like she was going to bite me, but I just felt like um (I) in my face. It was weird.
MJ: Yeah
J: (I)
MJ: But she didn’t bite you, did she?
J: I don’t know (I) she cleaned up my face
MJ: Laughing..It bothers me
J: (I)
MJ: What?
J: Sasha’s not real mean
MJ: Well she can be..You know my other dog I have “Shadow”?..Shadow is not mean at all..You could do any…..If I told Shadow, if I said Shadow ATTACK..Shadow would never attack.
J: You should never make shadow be a guard dog
MJ: Well Shadow can’t be a guard dog…because she..it’s not in her blood. Shadow would never attack. Sasha would attack, because Sasha is a guard dog.
J: Did I tell you about that little girl that teaches Sunday School with her mom?
MJ: What’s her name?
J: Kathy…Katcherina?? ????
MJ: Serena?
J: Katcherina
MJ: Katcherina??
J: Yeah. She’s a little girl in our Sunday class..Sunday School Class..Where she takes little toddler kids and she’s from Germany.

Reply #99 posted 03/07/12 3:17pm

smoothcriminal12

claudiax said:

MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.

disbelief

Reply #100 posted 03/07/12 6:08pm

dollarsandcheese

CrabalockerFishwife said:

dollarsandcheese said:

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

"Hold My Hand" ended up on MICHAEL and it was the first single.. so I don't think leaks will keep those songs from being released.. hopefully common sense will tell them not to release something they know most of MJs fans don't want.

but hold my hand is michael's voice...if cascio tracks leak and fans complain about the fakeness of it they might not end up on a future album

$$$ & cheese
Reply #101 posted 03/09/12 5:16am

Swa

^^ Weren't all those glenda calls proven to be fakes????

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #102 posted 03/09/12 7:19am

NaughtyKitty

I have never heard anything about the Glenda tapes being proved to be fake. I honestly dont see why anyone would want to impersonate Michael having a phone conversation talking about...random stuff. Having listened to the tapes and read the transcripts, I believe the tapes are authentic, not just because it sounds like Michael, but because of the various topics that are discussed during the convos (i.e. family life, love life, touring, etc). If this were someone else impersonating MJ, you would think they would've dropped some kind of scandalous bombshell at some point during the conversation to make them more sensational. But there were no earth shattering bombshells or revelations or any kind of scandalous talk during these conversations.

Did anyone even make any money from these convos? Since they are all over the internet and can be downloaded for free, I dont see how anyone could have tried to cash in on these convos, unless maybe the guy who originally had them in his possession was able to make a few bucks off of them??

Reply #103 posted 03/09/12 7:48am

dollarsandcheese

NaughtyKitty said:

I have never heard anything about the Glenda tapes being proved to be fake. I honestly dont see why anyone would want to impersonate Michael having a phone conversation talking about...random stuff. Having listened to the tapes and read the transcripts, I believe the tapes are authentic, not just because it sounds like Michael, but because of the various topics that are discussed during the convos (i.e. family life, love life, touring, etc). If this were someone else impersonating MJ, you would think they would've dropped some kind of scandalous bombshell at some point during the conversation to make them more sensational. But there were no earth shattering bombshells or revelations or any kind of scandalous talk during these conversations.

Did anyone even make any money from these convos? Since they are all over the internet and can be downloaded for free, I dont see how anyone could have tried to cash in on these convos, unless maybe the guy who originally had them in his possession was able to make a few bucks off of them??

I agree.

$$$ & cheese
Reply #104 posted 03/09/12 8:51am

mjforever

Reply #105 posted 03/09/12 10:31am

Timmy84

NaughtyKitty said:

I have never heard anything about the Glenda tapes being proved to be fake. I honestly dont see why anyone would want to impersonate Michael having a phone conversation talking about...random stuff. Having listened to the tapes and read the transcripts, I believe the tapes are authentic, not just because it sounds like Michael, but because of the various topics that are discussed during the convos (i.e. family life, love life, touring, etc). If this were someone else impersonating MJ, you would think they would've dropped some kind of scandalous bombshell at some point during the conversation to make them more sensational. But there were no earth shattering bombshells or revelations or any kind of scandalous talk during these conversations.

Did anyone even make any money from these convos? Since they are all over the internet and can be downloaded for free, I dont see how anyone could have tried to cash in on these convos, unless maybe the guy who originally had them in his possession was able to make a few bucks off of them??

Right. I don't believe it's fake. No one can imitate Michael that good no how. lol

Reply #106 posted 03/09/12 11:17am

dag

mjforever said:

How wonderful to hear his laugh again. Thanks for posting.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #107 posted 03/09/12 11:37am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Swa said:

^^ Weren't all those glenda calls proven to be fakes????

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #108 posted 03/09/12 3:26pm

claudiax

NaughtyKitty said:

Did anyone even make any money from these convos? Since they are all over the internet and can be downloaded for free, I dont see how anyone could have tried to cash in on these convos, unless maybe the guy who originally had them in his possession was able to make a few bucks off of them??

These are the audio and transcripts made of tape recordings of Michael Jackson speaking on the telephone to the Stein family from 1990-1992. Apparently Michael had been contacted by the son Damion Stein sometime around 1984 when he was a kid and Michael had written a message back to the Stein family and a friendship had developed from there. Damion claims that Michael’s phone calls to his family were taped out of jealousy, because Michael had been spending a lot of time speaking to his mother, Glenda, at all hours of the day, and her husband Sam was becoming suspicious they might be having an affair. The tapes were sold in 2005 to Hansnews.com, the TMZ of their day, seemingly by Damion Stein. It is not known whether Michael knew about the recordings, but he has never denied them and by all accounts they seem authentic.

The Stein family are: Sam and Glenda Stein, their sons Damion and Justin and daughter Megan.

Damion gave an interview in 2005 speaking about these conversations:

Damion: He adopted my family.

We opened up our family to him and he was kind of another member of the family. He got to experience what a family atmosphere was about. And I think that that isn’t something that he ever had himself.

Narrator: One of the most famous men in the world was now regularly driving out to Orange County to stay in Damion’s spare room.

Narrator: The Michael Jackson show got even more demanding, when the star began calling Damion’s mother day and night, to off load about his traumatic childhood.

Damion: He needed someone to confide in.

My dad would be waiting for my mom in bed, for her to to come to bed, and she would never come. She would be speaking to him in depth on the phone, late hours in the night.

Narrator: When Michael started calling three or four times a day, Damion’s father because suspicious and started to tape his telephone conversations.

It was extraordinary and flattering that a star like Michael would choose an ordinary family to confide his secrets to. But then Jackson suddenly stopped ringing.

Damion: And so we just waited on the phone call and it just never came. It was difficult to accept that.

Narrator: One minute Damion and his family were Michael’s best friends, the next they were sidelined.

In this page it is so all the conversations with the transcriptions and they can unload the audios, in addition there are photos of this family with Michael..

http://rhythmofthetide.com/category/glenda-tapes/

Reply #109 posted 03/09/12 3:49pm

mjscarousal

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Swa said:

^^ Weren't all those glenda calls proven to be fakes????

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

lol

There authentic... its really Michael

Reply #110 posted 03/09/12 5:00pm

NaughtyKitty

claudiax said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Did anyone even make any money from these convos? Since they are all over the internet and can be downloaded for free, I dont see how anyone could have tried to cash in on these convos, unless maybe the guy who originally had them in his possession was able to make a few bucks off of them??

These are the audio and transcripts made of tape recordings of Michael Jackson speaking on the telephone to the Stein family from 1990-1992. Apparently Michael had been contacted by the son Damion Stein sometime around 1984 when he was a kid and Michael had written a message back to the Stein family and a friendship had developed from there. Damion claims that Michael’s phone calls to his family were taped out of jealousy, because Michael had been spending a lot of time speaking to his mother, Glenda, at all hours of the day, and her husband Sam was becoming suspicious they might be having an affair. The tapes were sold in 2005 to Hansnews.com, the TMZ of their day, seemingly by Damion Stein. It is not known whether Michael knew about the recordings, but he has never denied them and by all accounts they seem authentic.

The Stein family are: Sam and Glenda Stein, their sons Damion and Justin and daughter Megan.

Damion gave an interview in 2005 speaking about these conversations:

Damion: He adopted my family.

We opened up our family to him and he was kind of another member of the family. He got to experience what a family atmosphere was about. And I think that that isn’t something that he ever had himself.

Narrator: One of the most famous men in the world was now regularly driving out to Orange County to stay in Damion’s spare room.

Narrator: The Michael Jackson show got even more demanding, when the star began calling Damion’s mother day and night, to off load about his traumatic childhood.

Damion: He needed someone to confide in.

My dad would be waiting for my mom in bed, for her to to come to bed, and she would never come. She would be speaking to him in depth on the phone, late hours in the night.

Narrator: When Michael started calling three or four times a day, Damion’s father because suspicious and started to tape his telephone conversations.

It was extraordinary and flattering that a star like Michael would choose an ordinary family to confide his secrets to. But then Jackson suddenly stopped ringing.

Damion: And so we just waited on the phone call and it just never came. It was difficult to accept that.

Narrator: One minute Damion and his family were Michael’s best friends, the next they were sidelined.

In this page it is so all the conversations with the transcriptions and they can unload the audios, in addition there are photos of this family with Michael..

http://rhythmofthetide.com/category/glenda-tapes/

THIS. Thank you claudiax for posting this, that is correct! smile

There authentic... its really Michael

nod That's correct too Mjscarousal!

Reply #111 posted 03/10/12 2:38am

Xscaper

I may be presumptuous on this but i have a feeling we aren't gonna see much in the way of new music releases till this whole catalog hacking case gets sorted early next year mad

Do you guys think or know any different?

Reply #112 posted 03/10/12 4:56am

Ellie

I remember a couple of years ago there was some terrible Channel 4 documentary once again discussing MJ's relationships with children. They played the tapes of him speaking to Glenda's son. Of all of the conversations I've heard 90% of them were with Glenda and most of the calls to the children were to the daughter and only a very small portion to the boy, yet THAT was what the programme focussed on. The calls to the children were very sweet though, mainly them asking him about concerts, talking about their school work and requesting for signed T-Shirts etc.
Reply #113 posted 03/11/12 12:56pm

CrabalockerFishwife

Xscaper said:

I may be presumptuous on this but i have a feeling we aren't gonna see much in the way of new music releases till this whole catalog hacking case gets sorted early next year mad

Do you guys think or know any different?

I don't think we'll get any new music until they're done promoting The Immortal show.. that CD was released less than 6 months ago. Still, TMZ says there will be [at least] 1 or [at most] 2 albums of 100% previously unreleased material before the end of 2017.

Reply #114 posted 03/11/12 5:53pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #115 posted 03/11/12 8:52pm

dm3857

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Xscaper said:

I may be presumptuous on this but i have a feeling we aren't gonna see much in the way of new music releases till this whole catalog hacking case gets sorted early next year mad

Do you guys think or know any different?

I don't think we'll get any new music until they're done promoting The Immortal show.. that CD was released less than 6 months ago. Still, TMZ says there will be [at least] 1 or [at most] 2 albums of 100% previously unreleased material before the end of 2017.

That is Bull Sh*t ! 1 or 2!?!? are they out of there mind, they really piss me off, they could do so much! they are literally ignorant.

Reply #116 posted 03/11/12 9:09pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

NINJA PANDA ATTACK!!!! lol

falloff

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #117 posted 03/12/12 4:10am

Xscaper

dm3857 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I don't think we'll get any new music until they're done promoting The Immortal show.. that CD was released less than 6 months ago. Still, TMZ says there will be [at least] 1 or [at most] 2 albums of 100% previously unreleased material before the end of 2017.

That is Bull Sh*t ! 1 or 2!?!? are they out of there mind, they really piss me off, they could do so much! they are literally ignorant.

Yeah, they're 3 down in the 7 album deal and with the reissue of Bad coming up theres probably only gonna be 3 albums left in the tank. If they can find enough decent material for that.

Reply #118 posted 03/12/12 5:28am

Swa

Michael Jackson’s The Immortal Show Dethrones Jay-Z and Kanye West As Top Concert

Michael Jackson The Immortal Cirque du Soleil

Jay-Z and Kanye West’s ‘Watch The Throne’ tour took second place to Michael Jackson’s The Immortal Cirque du Soleil show on the top concerts list.

2011 was definitely the year of The Throne. When Jay-Z and Kanye West announced a collaboration album dubbed ‘Watch The Throne,’ we already knew to expect an incredible project. The album was held in high regard for many throughout the hip hop community, but what was more impressive was The Throne’s tour.

Anyone that attended the performance knows that there was absolutely nothing like it, and although the ‘N*ggas in Paris’ music video took actual footage from their show, if you weren’t there, you just can’t understand the energy these two possess on the stage together.

With a tour so spectacular though, the hip hop duo only managed to pull in the number 2 spot with an impressive $1,902,032. This number averages out to each fan spending around $113 per ticket.

It comes as no surprise that the only artist great enough to dethrone Jay-Z and Kanye West would be Michael Jackson himself.

‘Michael Jackson: The Immortal’ was a Cirque du Soleil show that pulled in the number 1 spot, thanks to a mind boggling $2,2362,502 in revenue being generated over the past three months in ticket sales. Even after death, Michael Jackson still has such a strong presence in pop culture, and many would say that he simply is pop culture.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #119 posted 03/12/12 10:30am

LiLi1992

Michael Jackson's Dad 83-Year-Old Hits Vegas Club ... at 2 PM! lol

83-year-old Joe Jackson threw on his best track jacket ... and goldest chain ... and hit the club scene in Vegas this weekend ... at 2 IN THE AFTERNOON.

Michael Jackson's father was chillin' at Lavo Champagne Brunch at the Palazzo Hotel ... a full-on nightclub-style party scene ... that serves almond crusted French toast.

Sources at the club tell TMZ ... JJ arrived with a male friend ... and wasn't boozing, only drinking water.

But he WAS pimpin' it ... hangin' out at a table with a group of hot chicks. At one point, he handed his camera to someone and said, "I want a picture with the girls."

After the pic, the girls described JJ as a "sweet old man."

What happens in Vegas ... is weird sometimes.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/12/joe-jackson-club-vegas-michael-jackson-photo/

Reply #120 posted 03/12/12 10:43am

Timmy84

LiLi1992 said:

Michael Jackson's Dad 83-Year-Old Hits Vegas Club ... at 2 PM! lol

83-year-old Joe Jackson threw on his best track jacket ... and goldest chain ... and hit the club scene in Vegas this weekend ... at 2 IN THE AFTERNOON.

Michael Jackson's father was chillin' at Lavo Champagne Brunch at the Palazzo Hotel ... a full-on nightclub-style party scene ... that serves almond crusted French toast.

Sources at the club tell TMZ ... JJ arrived with a male friend ... and wasn't boozing, only drinking water.

But he WAS pimpin' it ... hangin' out at a table with a group of hot chicks. At one point, he handed his camera to someone and said, "I want a picture with the girls."

After the pic, the girls described JJ as a "sweet old man."

What happens in Vegas ... is weird sometimes.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/12/joe-jackson-club-vegas-michael-jackson-photo/

Papa Joe is getting as old as Methuselah... neutral

[Edited 3/12/12 10:44am]

Reply #121 posted 03/12/12 11:33am

mjforever

Reply #122 posted 03/12/12 2:45pm

dm3857

Xscaper said:

dm3857 said:

That is Bull Sh*t ! 1 or 2!?!? are they out of there mind, they really piss me off, they could do so much! they are literally ignorant.

Yeah, they're 3 down in the 7 album deal and with the reissue of Bad coming up theres probably only gonna be 3 albums left in the tank. If they can find enough decent material for that.

They Better NOT screw Bad 25 up,

and i feel like they have enough material to make 25 more albums, but thats just me, with all the outtakes,demos,alternate versions,and home recorded material, and they could do so much with concert dvds too..

Reply #123 posted 03/12/12 8:44pm

musicjunky318

Timmy84 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Michael Jackson's Dad 83-Year-Old Hits Vegas Club ... at 2 PM! lol

83-year-old Joe Jackson threw on his best track jacket ... and goldest chain ... and hit the club scene in Vegas this weekend ... at 2 IN THE AFTERNOON.

Michael Jackson's father was chillin' at Lavo Champagne Brunch at the Palazzo Hotel ... a full-on nightclub-style party scene ... that serves almond crusted French toast.

Sources at the club tell TMZ ... JJ arrived with a male friend ... and wasn't boozing, only drinking water.

But he WAS pimpin' it ... hangin' out at a table with a group of hot chicks. At one point, he handed his camera to someone and said, "I want a picture with the girls."

After the pic, the girls described JJ as a "sweet old man."

What happens in Vegas ... is weird sometimes.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/12/joe-jackson-club-vegas-michael-jackson-photo/

Papa Joe is getting as old as Methuselah... neutral

[Edited 3/12/12 10:44am]

lol Damn yal beat me to it. I literally LMAO outloud when I first read the headline and saw the pictures. falloff

Reply #124 posted 03/12/12 9:24pm

kellistarr120

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

Papa Joe is getting as old as Methuselah... neutral

[Edited 3/12/12 10:44am]

lol Damn yal beat me to it. I literally LMAO outloud when I first read the headline and saw the pictures. falloff

Hilarious! JJ's eyes are scary lookin".

Reply #125 posted 03/12/12 9:27pm

kellistarr120

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I have never heard anything about the Glenda tapes being proved to be fake. I honestly dont see why anyone would want to impersonate Michael having a phone conversation talking about...random stuff. Having listened to the tapes and read the transcripts, I believe the tapes are authentic, not just because it sounds like Michael, but because of the various topics that are discussed during the convos (i.e. family life, love life, touring, etc). If this were someone else impersonating MJ, you would think they would've dropped some kind of scandalous bombshell at some point during the conversation to make them more sensational. But there were no earth shattering bombshells or revelations or any kind of scandalous talk during these conversations.

Did anyone even make any money from these convos? Since they are all over the internet and can be downloaded for free, I dont see how anyone could have tried to cash in on these convos, unless maybe the guy who originally had them in his possession was able to make a few bucks off of them??

Right. I don't believe it's fake. No one can imitate Michael that good no how. lol

Reply #126 posted 03/13/12 1:44am

aiden

Cant wait for this DVD....
http://www.bad25.com/en/index.php/bad-tour
"Still Crazy 4 Coco Rock"
Reply #127 posted 03/13/12 12:32pm

mjforever

Reply #128 posted 03/13/12 4:01pm

dm3857

what are some of your favorite REAL unreleased mj songs.

mine:

1) Mind is the Magic

2)Xscape

3)If you dont love me

Reply #129 posted 03/13/12 4:56pm

alphastreet

I LOVE those! Also, For All Time, We've Had Enough, Fall Again, Do You Know Where Your Children Are

Reply #130 posted 03/13/12 6:18pm

CrabalockerFishwife

dm3857 said:

what are some of your favorite REAL unreleased mj songs?

Mamacita, Burn Tonight and Breaking News. smile

Reply #131 posted 03/13/12 6:19pm

CrabalockerFishwife

Blue Gangsta, Hot Street & If You Don't Love Me

Also loving the brief snippets of "I Am A[The?] Loser" and "People Of The World"... somebody please let me know if/when the leak in full, or if they have already.

[Edited 3/13/12 18:22pm]

Reply #132 posted 03/13/12 6:46pm

dm3857

If you are like me, whenever you heard the album "Michael" you probably kind of disoppointed.. you may have, like myself, asked "why would they use fake tracks if there are so much Unreleased material" "Is there even enough Unrealesed material to make a full album?"

i am here to tell you YES, there is enough material to make 100 ALBUMS!

i have done LOTS of research the past few days, and i have here a list of unreleased songs,

OFF THE WALL OUTTAKES

  • sunset driver
  • what a lonely way to go
  • Goin' to Rio
  • Thank You for Life

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1975 - 1980

  • Kentucky
  • Goodness Knows
  • Sweet Music
  • Disco Kids
  • You aint gonna Change nothin'
  • Holiday Inn
  • Iowa
  • Ode to Sorrow
  • Susie
  • That Girl
  • We Are The Ones
  • Got to find a way Somehow
  • In the Life of Chico
  • Startin' Something (early version of WBSS)
  • Under Your Skin
  • You Told Me your Lovin
  • You not Me
  • Nympette Lover
  • MJ melody
  • Slipped Away
  • Somewhere in Time
  • When You Wish upon a Star
  • Why Cant I Be

THRILLER OUTTAKES

  • Niteline
  • Trouble
  • Slapstick
  • Hot Street
  • Starlight (early version of Thriller)
  • Who do you know
  • Got the Hots
  • Rolling the Dice

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1980 - 1985

  • Learned My Lesson
  • The Toy
  • Much too soon
  • Stand Tall
  • Fantasy
  • The Sky is the Limit
  • Attitude
  • Love Never Felt So Good

VICTORY OUTTAKES

  • State of Shock (with Freddy Mercury)
  • There Must Be More to Life Than This
  • Buffalo Bill
  • Doing Dirty
  • Far Far Away
  • Tender
  • Victory (with Freddy Mercury)

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1985 - 1990

  • Be Me 4 A day
  • The Nelson Mandela Song
  • Al Copone
  • Hot Fever
  • Pyramid Girl (Liberian Girl Demo)
  • The Price of Fame
  • Whos Bad (Bad Demo)
  • Girls of Another Love
  • Je Ne Veux Pas La Fin De Nous (French Version of IJCSLY)
  • Color of my Soul
  • Neverland Landing
  • Throwin Your Life Away
  • Deep in the Night
  • Heal The World (demo)
  • I Have This Dream
  • Ill Be There (adult version)
  • Seven Digits
  • Splash, we can get wet babe
  • Stay (early version)
  • Who is it (demo)
  • You Were There

BAD OUTTAKES

  • Cheater (different version)
  • Someone Put Your Hand Out (early version)
  • Buffalo Bill (reworked)
  • Tomboy
  • What you do to me
  • Crack Kills
  • Chicago 1945
  • Groove of Midnight
  • Turning me off

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1990-1995

  • Fanfare Transcripts
  • Dont Be Messin' Around (Michael Plays Piano in this song!!)
  • A baby smiles
  • Bad Girl
  • Do you know where your children are
  • Free
  • Give into me (demo)
  • Goon Too Soon (demo)
  • I Forgive You
  • In The Closet (demo)
  • Jam (demo)
  • Keep The Faith (demo)
  • Little Girls
  • Llama Lola
  • Lonely Bird
  • Lonely Man
  • Lucy is in love with Linus
  • Make A Wish
  • Men in Black
  • Remember the Time (demo)
  • Stay
  • The Love You Save (adult version)
  • Happy Birthday Lisa
  • Red Eye
  • Seven Bright New Stars
  • Shes not a Girl
  • Sister Sue
  • The Childrens Hour
  • Tragedy of a Cheerleader
  • Who is the girl with her hair down
  • Why Shy
  • Someone Put Your Hand Out (rerecorded)
  • California Grass
  • Dreams

DANGEROUS OUTTAKES

  • If You Dont Love Me
  • Monkey Business
  • Serious Effect
  • What About Us
  • Work That Body
  • She Got It
  • Alright Now
  • Bottle of Smoke
  • Little Susie (early version)

HISTORY OUTTAKES

  • Fear
  • Bass(z)ouille
  • Face
  • Ghost (early version)
  • Joy
  • Why

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1995-2000

  • Elizabeth I Love You
  • We Be Ballin
  • Angel
  • Be me 4 a day (reworked)
  • Do you love me

INVINCIBLE OUTTAKES

  • Shout
  • What More Can I Give
  • Escape
  • The Pain
  • Seduction
  • Pressure
  • Maybe We Can Do It
  • Get Around
  • Kick it
  • Vibrat(I)onist
  • Stop The War
  • I Have This Dream
  • Belong 2
  • That
  • Thank Heaven
  • A Place With No Name
  • Tubeway
  • I Dont Live Here Anymore
  • Chicago 1945 (reworked)

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 2000-2005

  • Edgar Allan Poe
  • On My Anger
  • People Have To Make Some Kind Of Joke
  • Saved By The Bell
  • Seeing Voices
  • She Was Lovin
  • The Gloved One
  • This is our Time
  • Ekan Satyam - The One Truth
  • In The Valley
  • Make or Break
  • Soldiers Entrance
  • That Kind of Lover
  • Your a Liar, Brother
  • Satisy
  • Wonderful World of Candy

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 2005 - 2009

  • Light The Way
  • From The Bottom of my Heart
  • He Who Makes The Sky Grey
  • I Have This Dream
  • You Are So Beautiful
  • Whats it gonna be
  • Im Dreamin
  • If you dont get it
  • Days of the brokenhearted
  • The Future
  • If we still Love
  • Im Still The King
  • Can You
  • I Will Miss You
  • River Ripple

AND IM SURE THERE ARE TONS MORE! I WANTED TO WRITE THIS TO GIVE YOU HOPE IN UPCOMING RELEASES, AND TO KNOW THAT WE WILL BE HEARING NEW AND UNHEARD MICHAEL JACKSON MUSIC FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THANKS

Reply #133 posted 03/14/12 9:09am

seeingvoices12

dm3857 said:

If you are like me, whenever you heard the album "Michael" you probably kind of disoppointed.. you may have, like myself, asked "why would they use fake tracks if there are so much Unreleased material" "Is there even enough Unrealesed material to make a full album?"

i am here to tell you YES, there is enough material to make 100 ALBUMS!

i have done LOTS of research the past few days, and i have here a list of unreleased songs,

OFF THE WALL OUTTAKES

  • sunset driver
  • what a lonely way to go
  • Goin' to Rio
  • Thank You for Life

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1975 - 1980

  • Kentucky
  • Goodness Knows
  • Sweet Music
  • Disco Kids
  • You aint gonna Change nothin'
  • Holiday Inn
  • Iowa
  • Ode to Sorrow
  • Susie
  • That Girl
  • We Are The Ones
  • Got to find a way Somehow
  • In the Life of Chico
  • Startin' Something (early version of WBSS)
  • Under Your Skin
  • You Told Me your Lovin
  • You not Me
  • Nympette Lover
  • MJ melody
  • Slipped Away
  • Somewhere in Time
  • When You Wish upon a Star
  • Why Cant I Be

THRILLER OUTTAKES

  • Niteline
  • Trouble
  • Slapstick
  • Hot Street
  • Starlight (early version of Thriller)
  • Who do you know
  • Got the Hots
  • Rolling the Dice

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1980 - 1985

  • Learned My Lesson
  • The Toy
  • Much too soon
  • Stand Tall
  • Fantasy
  • The Sky is the Limit
  • Attitude
  • Love Never Felt So Good

VICTORY OUTTAKES

  • State of Shock (with Freddy Mercury)
  • There Must Be More to Life Than This
  • Buffalo Bill
  • Doing Dirty
  • Far Far Away
  • Tender
  • Victory (with Freddy Mercury)

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1985 - 1990

  • Be Me 4 A day
  • The Nelson Mandela Song
  • Al Copone
  • Hot Fever
  • Pyramid Girl (Liberian Girl Demo)
  • The Price of Fame
  • Whos Bad (Bad Demo)
  • Girls of Another Love
  • Je Ne Veux Pas La Fin De Nous (French Version of IJCSLY)
  • Color of my Soul
  • Neverland Landing
  • Throwin Your Life Away
  • Deep in the Night
  • Heal The World (demo)
  • I Have This Dream
  • Ill Be There (adult version)
  • Seven Digits
  • Splash, we can get wet babe
  • Stay (early version)
  • Who is it (demo)
  • You Were There

BAD OUTTAKES

  • Cheater (different version)
  • Someone Put Your Hand Out (early version)
  • Buffalo Bill (reworked)
  • Tomboy
  • What you do to me
  • Crack Kills
  • Chicago 1945
  • Groove of Midnight
  • Turning me off

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1990-1995

  • Fanfare Transcripts
  • Dont Be Messin' Around (Michael Plays Piano in this song!!)
  • A baby smiles
  • Bad Girl
  • Do you know where your children are
  • Free
  • Give into me (demo)
  • Goon Too Soon (demo)
  • I Forgive You
  • In The Closet (demo)
  • Jam (demo)
  • Keep The Faith (demo)
  • Little Girls
  • Llama Lola
  • Lonely Bird
  • Lonely Man
  • Lucy is in love with Linus
  • Make A Wish
  • Men in Black
  • Remember the Time (demo)
  • Stay
  • The Love You Save (adult version)
  • Happy Birthday Lisa
  • Red Eye
  • Seven Bright New Stars
  • Shes not a Girl
  • Sister Sue
  • The Childrens Hour
  • Tragedy of a Cheerleader
  • Who is the girl with her hair down
  • Why Shy
  • Someone Put Your Hand Out (rerecorded)
  • California Grass
  • Dreams

DANGEROUS OUTTAKES

  • If You Dont Love Me
  • Monkey Business
  • Serious Effect
  • What About Us
  • Work That Body
  • She Got It
  • Alright Now
  • Bottle of Smoke
  • Little Susie (early version)

HISTORY OUTTAKES

  • Fear
  • Bass(z)ouille
  • Face
  • Ghost (early version)
  • Joy
  • Why

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 1995-2000

  • Elizabeth I Love You
  • We Be Ballin
  • Angel
  • Be me 4 a day (reworked)
  • Do you love me

INVINCIBLE OUTTAKES

  • Shout
  • What More Can I Give
  • Escape
  • The Pain
  • Seduction
  • Pressure
  • Maybe We Can Do It
  • Get Around
  • Kick it
  • Vibrat(I)onist
  • Stop The War
  • I Have This Dream
  • Belong 2
  • That
  • Thank Heaven
  • A Place With No Name
  • Tubeway
  • I Dont Live Here Anymore
  • Chicago 1945 (reworked)

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 2000-2005

  • Edgar Allan Poe
  • On My Anger
  • People Have To Make Some Kind Of Joke
  • Saved By The Bell
  • Seeing Voices
  • She Was Lovin
  • The Gloved One
  • This is our Time
  • Ekan Satyam - The One Truth
  • In The Valley
  • Make or Break
  • Soldiers Entrance
  • That Kind of Lover
  • Your a Liar, Brother
  • Satisy
  • Wonderful World of Candy

SONGS RECORDED BETWEEN 2005 - 2009

  • Light The Way
  • From The Bottom of my Heart
  • He Who Makes The Sky Grey
  • I Have This Dream
  • You Are So Beautiful
  • Whats it gonna be
  • Im Dreamin
  • If you dont get it
  • Days of the brokenhearted
  • The Future
  • If we still Love
  • Im Still The King
  • Can You
  • I Will Miss You
  • River Ripple

AND IM SURE THERE ARE TONS MORE! I WANTED TO WRITE THIS TO GIVE YOU HOPE IN UPCOMING RELEASES, AND TO KNOW THAT WE WILL BE HEARING NEW AND UNHEARD MICHAEL JACKSON MUSIC FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THANKS

thanks but some of the dates when some songs recorded are wrong...there are some mistakes.

but thank you anyway, it's always interesting to read , there are far more songs you didn;t mention....bboy should make a list of unreleased songs biggrin

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
Reply #134 posted 03/14/12 2:10pm

dm3857

seeingvoices12 said:

thanks but some of the dates when some songs recorded are wrong...there are some mistakes.

but thank you anyway, it's always interesting to read , there are far more songs you didn;t mention....bboy should make a list of unreleased songs biggrin

lol, your welcome, i had a feeling that some of the dates were wrong, and i know for sure i left out A BUNCH of songs.. this time of year i seem to miss michael most, i guess because of all the excitment from march 09.. so i just wanted to share and hopefully all of them will be released.

Reply #135 posted 03/14/12 4:58pm

nursev

I've been listening to This Is It title track alot lately and I'm starting to love this song music wink

Reply #136 posted 03/14/12 9:08pm

mjscarousal

LiLi1992 said:

Michael Jackson's Dad 83-Year-Old Hits Vegas Club ... at 2 PM! lol

83-year-old Joe Jackson threw on his best track jacket ... and goldest chain ... and hit the club scene in Vegas this weekend ... at 2 IN THE AFTERNOON.

Michael Jackson's father was chillin' at Lavo Champagne Brunch at the Palazzo Hotel ... a full-on nightclub-style party scene ... that serves almond crusted French toast.

Sources at the club tell TMZ ... JJ arrived with a male friend ... and wasn't boozing, only drinking water.

But he WAS pimpin' it ... hangin' out at a table with a group of hot chicks. At one point, he handed his camera to someone and said, "I want a picture with the girls."

After the pic, the girls described JJ as a "sweet old man."

What happens in Vegas ... is weird sometimes.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/12/joe-jackson-club-vegas-michael-jackson-photo/

disbelief

Reply #137 posted 03/15/12 7:09am

smoothcriminal12

nursev said:

I've been listening to This Is It title track alot lately and I'm starting to love this song music wink

I love that song. cool

Reply #138 posted 03/15/12 8:31am

seeingvoices12

smoothcriminal12 said:

nursev said:

I've been listening to This Is It title track alot lately and I'm starting to love this song music wink

I love that song. cool

one of the worst songs ever , even the lost children is better, i hate it lol

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
Reply #139 posted 03/15/12 8:54am

Emancipation89

^^^ I love the song 'This Is It' too!! I like the orchestra version better. The lyrics have some awkward moments but it's a demo anyway right? I really love the part where he says "falling in love wasn't in my plan, come on dear, just understand"....yeah we understand Michael sad

Reply #140 posted 03/15/12 9:21am

smoothcriminal12

seeingvoices12 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I love that song. cool

one of the worst songs ever , even the lost children is better, i hate it lol

WHAT!?!?!?!? eek

Reply #141 posted 03/15/12 10:16am

dag

Just a video I came across about the trial. Love the ending. The way they edited scenes from Ghosts and press conference. lol

[Edited 3/15/12 11:25am]

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #142 posted 03/15/12 6:44pm

CrabalockerFishwife

nursev said:

I've been listening to This Is It title track alot lately and I'm starting to love this song music wink

I liked it, but of course it sounded too demo-y, and at the same time, it sounded terribly overproduced because of the way they 'finished' it after he died.

Reply #143 posted 03/15/12 7:33pm

alphastreet

I realied the other day that the first line to Cream is also This Is It sung in the same scale smile

Reply #144 posted 03/15/12 7:38pm

CrabalockerFishwife

alphastreet said:

I realied the other day that the first line to Cream is also This Is It sung in the same scale smile

nod yep, I heard somebody say (probably on this site) that MJ stole that from Prince (which is funny, because MJ's song was supposedly recorded years before "Cream").

Reply #145 posted 03/15/12 7:41pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

dag said:

Just a video I came across about the trial. Love the ending. The way they edited scenes from Ghosts and press conference. lol

[Edited 3/15/12 11:25am]

Girl I am tellin' you...Sneddon's a damn mess! I'm still waiting for someone to reign charges against him for fabrication of evidence. disbelief

But yeah, the Ghosts tidbits really did make me giggle. Go Mike! woot!

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #146 posted 03/16/12 11:04am

mjforever

Reply #147 posted 03/16/12 11:08am

mjforever

Reply #148 posted 03/16/12 11:11am

mjforever

Reply #149 posted 03/16/12 11:49am

mjforever

Reply #150 posted 03/16/12 10:11pm

kellistarr120

mjforever said:

Oooh! I'm liking this picture. Don't believe I've seen this one.

Reply #151 posted 03/17/12 5:21am

mjforever

Reply #152 posted 03/17/12 7:34am

dag

mjforever said:

Thanks. biggrin

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #153 posted 03/17/12 10:26pm

dm3857

the actual concert doest start untill around the 9:10 mark.

ENJOY!

Reply #154 posted 03/17/12 10:56pm

alphastreet

*croaks like Wyclef* SOMEBODY PLEASE CALL 911..... <3

Reply #155 posted 03/18/12 11:19am

dag

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #156 posted 03/18/12 11:34am

mjforever

Reply #157 posted 03/18/12 8:24pm

jonylawson

just watched paul mccartneys incredibly dignified interview regarding mike selling out the beatles

paul mccartney"the beatles DO NOT DO ADVERTS"

MIKE BOUGHT THEM AND SOLD REVOLUTION FOR SNEAKERS???

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE FOR A FUCKING BISCUIT?

AND OTHERS.........

disgusting

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

watch paul mccartney and understand the word "dignified"

Reply #158 posted 03/19/12 12:15am

delicious

jonylawson said:

just watched paul mccartneys incredibly dignified interview regarding mike selling out the beatles

paul mccartney"the beatles DO NOT DO ADVERTS"

MIKE BOUGHT THEM AND SOLD REVOLUTION FOR SNEAKERS???

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE FOR A FUCKING BISCUIT?

AND OTHERS.........

disgusting

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

watch paul mccartney and understand the word "dignified"

Did he? Classic. I guess this would only bother one of those losers who concerns themselves with business affairs that have nothing to do with their own life (assuming they have much of one .. and you'd assume they didn't since they're concerning themselved with OTHER PEOPLES business).

Those kinds of people make me happy (that I have a life and could give two s**ts about a couple of billionnaires business affairs).

Even Paul doesn't care. I guess cos he has a life. Go Paul!

Reply #159 posted 03/19/12 12:23am

alphastreet

Doesn't MJ have a song called Beat It?

Reply #160 posted 03/19/12 2:05am

Ellie

How about Paul McCartney whoring himself out to Starbucks and Apple with that AWFUL song 'Dance Tonight"? Hypocrite.

[Edited 3/19/12 2:05am]

Reply #161 posted 03/19/12 3:45am

LiLi1992

I loооve and respect Paul McCartney.

I loооve the Beatles, even more than MJ, and Paul has always been, is and will be my favorite Beatle .... But in this conflict, I was always on the side of MJ for two simple reasons: 1) Paul himself advised Michael to buy copyrights of other artists -----> he does not think this business is immoral, and 2) Paul has a huge collection of publishing rights to various artists (including his friends) and uses songs in all forms that can bring money. cool

Reply #162 posted 03/19/12 8:29am

aardvark15

sad Looks like anytime MJ's mentioned in a topic it gets closed even when it's not completely about him

Reply #163 posted 03/19/12 10:18am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

aardvark15 said:

sad Looks like anytime MJ's mentioned in a topic it gets closed even when it's not completely about him

People here ain't no fun and are sometimes just plain rude. What can I say?

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #164 posted 03/19/12 11:53am

Emancipation89

Ellie said:

How about Paul McCartney whoring himself out to Starbucks and Apple with that AWFUL song 'Dance Tonight"? Hypocrite.

[Edited 3/19/12 2:05am]

I didn't know that, seriously Paul? Wow.

Reply #165 posted 03/19/12 1:06pm

smoothcriminal12

jonylawson said:

just watched paul mccartneys incredibly dignified interview regarding mike selling out the beatles

paul mccartney"the beatles DO NOT DO ADVERTS"

MIKE BOUGHT THEM AND SOLD REVOLUTION FOR SNEAKERS???

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE FOR A FUCKING BISCUIT?

AND OTHERS.........

disgusting

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

watch paul mccartney and understand the word "dignified"

Michael bought it fair and square. Fuck a Paul McCartney. Don't want no commercials? Buy it your own damn self.

[Edited 3/19/12 13:06pm]

Reply #166 posted 03/19/12 1:18pm

jonylawson

wow........the beatles songs really to you lot are just commodities that should be used and whored how mike felt fit

okay.

thats your opionion.

lets end this neutral

Reply #167 posted 03/19/12 1:20pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

smoothcriminal12 said:

Michael bought it fair and square. Fuck a Paul McCartney. Don't want no commercials? Buy it your own damn self.

[Edited 3/19/12 13:06pm]

mushy touched

hug lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #168 posted 03/19/12 1:25pm

smoothcriminal12

jonylawson said:

wow........the beatles songs really to you lot are just commodities that should be used and whored how mike felt fit

okay.

thats your opionion.

lets end this neutral

Actually, yes, they are commodities, money making commodities. What'd you think, Michael was gonna sit there drooling at them and not do anything with them? lol

It's great music, but at the end of the day there's more to it. This is a business. There's a money making aspect to it and Michael used it to his advantage. If Paul McCartney wanted it to be seen differently, he should of acquired them himself. But he didn't. shrug

Reply #169 posted 03/19/12 1:26pm

smoothcriminal12

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Michael bought it fair and square. Fuck a Paul McCartney. Don't want no commercials? Buy it your own damn self.

[Edited 3/19/12 13:06pm]

mushy touched

hug lol

lol

Reply #170 posted 03/19/12 1:40pm

Ellie

smoothcriminal12 said:

Actually, yes, they are commodities, money making commodities. What'd you think, Michael was gonna sit there drooling at them and not do anything with them? lol

It's great music, but at the end of the day there's more to it. This is a business. There's a money making aspect to it and Michael used it to his advantage. If Paul McCartney wanted it to be seen differently, he should of acquired them himself. But he didn't. shrug

Why is it that time and time again, we have to re-iterate that Michael did not out-bid Paul McCartney on that catalogue? Paul didn't give a crap at the time and didn't even bother to bid on it, thinking Yoko Ono should have put up half the cash even though he had the money (more than Michael in fact).

If Michael didn't get it, some faceless record company would have bought it instead and probably licensed out the music far more often with far less thought than under MJ's watch.

Reply #171 posted 03/19/12 2:06pm

kibbles

jonylawson said:

wow........the beatles songs really to you lot are just commodities that should be used and whored how mike felt fit

okay.

thats your opionion.

lets end this neutral

excuse me, but i seem to recall that the beatles themselves authorized all sorts of commercial endeavors to capitalize on their success. so why isn't it okay for mike to do it, especially since he purchased the rights? whatever a person buys with his own money is his, and no one else's. he can 'whore' the music out the same way the beatles 'whored' it out. like others have said, if mccartney had such love for his own music, he could have ponied up the money to at least bid on the catalog, just like mike, if he felt that strongly about it. so yes, you should end it b/c you sound fucking stupid. neutral
Reply #172 posted 03/19/12 2:18pm

kibbles

http://www.youtube.com/wa...w_NPhkRm7A

the above link is to a commercial for at&t, using the song, 'everyday' by buddy holly.

wow, the buddy holly songs really to paul mc cartney are just commodities that should be used and whored out how macca felt fit.

yes, but i bet we'll never see any response to this from our dear mr. lawson. lol

[Edited 3/19/12 14:19pm]

Reply #173 posted 03/19/12 2:38pm

smoothcriminal12

Ellie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Actually, yes, they are commodities, money making commodities. What'd you think, Michael was gonna sit there drooling at them and not do anything with them? lol

It's great music, but at the end of the day there's more to it. This is a business. There's a money making aspect to it and Michael used it to his advantage. If Paul McCartney wanted it to be seen differently, he should of acquired them himself. But he didn't. shrug

Why is it that time and time again, we have to re-iterate that Michael did not out-bid Paul McCartney on that catalogue? Paul didn't give a crap at the time and didn't even bother to bid on it, thinking Yoko Ono should have put up half the cash even though he had the money (more than Michael in fact).

If Michael didn't get it, some faceless record company would have bought it instead and probably licensed out the music far more often with far less thought than under MJ's watch.

Besides that - Paul himself gave up on it after it reached a certain amount. So tough for him.

Reply #174 posted 03/19/12 7:19pm

CrabalockerFishwife

LiLi1992 said:

But in this conflict, I was always on the side of MJ for two simple reasons: 1) Paul himself advised Michael to buy copyrights of other artists -----> he does not think this business is immoral, and 2) Paul has a huge collection of publishing rights to various artists (including his friends) and uses songs in all forms that can bring money. cool

This: nod

Paul has always been, is and will be my favorite Beatle ....

This: disbelief

Reply #175 posted 03/19/12 7:21pm

CrabalockerFishwife

kibbles said:

jonylawson said:

wow........the beatles songs really to you lot are just commodities that should be used and whored how mike felt fit

okay.

thats your opionion.

lets end this neutral

excuse me, but i seem to recall that the beatles themselves authorized all sorts of commercial endeavors to capitalize on their success.

Yes, they did. Paul would've "whored" The Beatles songs, too. And as a huge Beatles fan, it's ridiculous to think they shouldn't be used in commercials.

Reply #176 posted 03/19/12 8:23pm

kibbles

CrabalockerFishwife said:

kibbles said:

excuse me, but i seem to recall that the beatles themselves authorized all sorts of commercial endeavors to capitalize on their success.

Yes, they did. Paul would've "whored" The Beatles songs, too. And as a huge Beatles fan, it's ridiculous to think they shouldn't be used in commercials.

i agree. i'm a beatles fan as well, as well as a fan of a lot of music that's used in commercials. i don't think any 'less' of a song b/c it's used in a commercial, and i don't think it 'cheapens' the music which is always the rationale for certain people getting their panties in a twist over this.

american airlines used gershwin's 'rhapsody in blue' for their campaign for the longest, and the only thing it accomplished was to make me remember their ad (which was the whole purpose), and make me want to know and hear more about the song.

Reply #177 posted 03/19/12 9:25pm

Timmy84

Reply #178 posted 03/19/12 9:43pm

Militant

moderator

Ellie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Actually, yes, they are commodities, money making commodities. What'd you think, Michael was gonna sit there drooling at them and not do anything with them? lol

It's great music, but at the end of the day there's more to it. This is a business. There's a money making aspect to it and Michael used it to his advantage. If Paul McCartney wanted it to be seen differently, he should of acquired them himself. But he didn't. shrug

Why is it that time and time again, we have to re-iterate that Michael did not out-bid Paul McCartney on that catalogue? Paul didn't give a crap at the time and didn't even bother to bid on it, thinking Yoko Ono should have put up half the cash even though he had the money (more than Michael in fact).

If Michael didn't get it, some faceless record company would have bought it instead and probably licensed out the music far more often with far less thought than under MJ's watch.

exactly

Reply #179 posted 03/19/12 10:40pm

Swa

I highly recommend anyone interested in knowing the story behind the sale of the ATV catalogue should read "Another Northern Song". Very insightful.

And whilst I respect McCartney as an exceptional song writer and musician, he is a tad hypocritical here.

He was given first right of refusal on the catalogue and thought it over priced. He, along with Yoko Ono were approached and declined. Then it was up for sale for anyone to buy. Michael saw the value in the investment and paid for it.

And as for the Beatles songs being used in commercials. He might have been annoyed, but he himself had used the songs by others he owned in commercial ventures. Maybe he just valued his own creations above others. 'Help' for example was used in car commercial before Jackson owned it (albeit a cover of the song by a soundalike).

At the end of the day if McCartney really valued the work he had produced he should have bought it when he had a chance.

As they say if you don't want it bought, don't sell it.

Michael did nothing new with using music in advertising deals. Nor did he do anything wrong.

And I'm sure McCartney never refused the royalties that the sale of the songs generated either.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #180 posted 03/20/12 12:50am

claudiax

MJ UNSEEN NEVER FOOTAGE eek MJ's new documentary with images of him dancing and attending the cirque du solei

See This eek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awm3VRu2HFM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_POFEPbjiQ&feature=player_embedded

Reply #181 posted 03/20/12 1:01am

LiLi1992

claudiax said:

MJ UNSEEN NEVER FOOTAGE eek MJ's new documentary with images of him dancing and attending the cirque du solei

See This eek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awm3VRu2HFM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_POFEPbjiQ&feature=player_embedded

WoW thumbs up!
Reply #182 posted 03/20/12 3:43am

Swa

LiLi1992 said:

claudiax said:

MJ UNSEEN NEVER FOOTAGE eek MJ's new documentary with images of him dancing and attending the cirque du solei

See This eek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awm3VRu2HFM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_POFEPbjiQ&feature=player_embedded

WoW thumbs up!

Now that right there is pure talent.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #183 posted 03/20/12 5:44am

alphastreet

He's amazing onstage, but that right there is perfection at it's purest form!

Reply #184 posted 03/20/12 8:44am

NaughtyKitty

Swa said:

I highly recommend anyone interested in knowing the story behind the sale of the ATV catalogue should read "Another Northern Song". Very insightful.

And whilst I respect McCartney as an exceptional song writer and musician, he is a tad hypocritical here.

He was given first right of refusal on the catalogue and thought it over priced. He, along with Yoko Ono were approached and declined. Then it was up for sale for anyone to buy. Michael saw the value in the investment and paid for it.

And as for the Beatles songs being used in commercials. He might have been annoyed, but he himself had used the songs by others he owned in commercial ventures. Maybe he just valued his own creations above others. 'Help' for example was used in car commercial before Jackson owned it (albeit a cover of the song by a soundalike).

At the end of the day if McCartney really valued the work he had produced he should have bought it when he had a chance.

As they say if you don't want it bought, don't sell it.

Michael did nothing new with using music in advertising deals. Nor did he do anything wrong.

And I'm sure McCartney never refused the royalties that the sale of the songs generated either.

I wonder why he refused to buy it? Was it because he just didnt want to pay the amount of money for it or he just couldnt afford it at the time? confused

Reply #185 posted 03/20/12 11:54am

mjforever

Reply #186 posted 03/20/12 9:05pm

CrabalockerFishwife

NaughtyKitty said:

Swa said:

He was given first right of refusal on the catalogue and thought it over priced. He, along with Yoko Ono were approached and declined. Then it was up for sale for anyone to buy. Michael saw the value in the investment and paid for it.

I wonder why he refused to buy it? Was it because he just didnt want to pay the amount of money for it or he just couldnt afford it at the time? confused

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...cquisition

Reply #187 posted 03/21/12 1:18am

Swa

CrabalockerFishwife said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I wonder why he refused to buy it? Was it because he just didnt want to pay the amount of money for it or he just couldnt afford it at the time? confused

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...cquisition

Paul just felt that the catalogue was over priced. He had the means to purchase it, but chose not to. In retrospect it wasn't overpriced at all, though at the time I believe it was a record asking price.

The negotiations took a year to be finalised with many parties bidding for it. As I mentioned if you want to know the history of it in detail, and the full history of the Northern Song catalogue then I strongly recommend reading "Northern Songs".

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Northern-Songs-Beatles-Songwriting-Empire/dp/184609237X

And CrabalockerFishWife - love the nic. Was it a tough choice between that and "PornographicPriestess", lol.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #188 posted 03/21/12 9:26am

LiLi1992

I do not know whether this was discussed here already, but hell, Blanket Jackson - a copy of Omer Bhatti as a child. eek


How is this possible?? hmmm

[Edited 3/21/12 9:26am]

Reply #189 posted 03/21/12 10:35am

NaughtyKitty

Thanks for the info CrabalockerFishwife and Swa thumbs up!

Reply #190 posted 03/21/12 5:50pm

dm3857

HIStory Tour rehearsal footage!!! omg!!!!!!!!!!! excited

Reply #191 posted 03/22/12 9:02am

dag

dm3857 said:

HIStory Tour rehearsal footage!!! omg!!!!!!!!!!! excited

WOW, where are those people getting it from?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #192 posted 03/22/12 12:45pm

mjscarousal

Swa said:

LiLi1992 said:

WoW thumbs up!

Now that right there is pure talent.

Michael is killing that solo!!!

Reply #193 posted 03/23/12 10:25am

NaughtyKitty

Michael Jackson's 'Blood on the Dance Floor,' 15 Years Later

MAR 21 2012, 2:02 PM ET 33

The strange story behind the global hit, which was released a decade and a half ago today

Blood On The Dance Floor 615.jpg

Epic


On June 6, 1990, producer/musician Teddy Riley was supposed to be at his friend and fellow band member's birthday party. Instead, he spent the night at a Soundworks Studio on 23rd Avenue in Queens, working on grooves for none other than the King of Pop, Michael Jackson.

"I told [the group] I had a lot of work to do," Riley recalls. "Michael was my priority. I was going out to California to meet him soon, and he wanted me to bring my best work."

It was a fortuitous decision.

Later that evening, Riley learned someone was shot on the dance floor at the party he had skipped. He was shaken. At just 23 years of age, violence and death were already becoming a recurring theme in his life. Within that same year, his half-brother and best friend both had also been murdered.

Riley was shocked to learn Jackson's title for the track: "Blood on the Dance Floor." "He knew what it was about even before I told him what happened that night."
The rhythm track Riley worked on that night was aggressive, ominous, menacing. But it had no words, no title, and no melody.

The following Saturday he was on his way to Neverland Ranch to meet Michael Jackson. Riley was nervous. Jackson had already tried out a handful of people to replace legendary producer, Quincy Jones, including L.A. Reid, Babyface and Bryan Loren. None stayed on.

Jackson had high hopes, however, for Teddy Riley, whose street-inflected New Jack Swing style brilliantly fused jazz, gospel, R&B, and hip hop. Indeed, perhaps its greatest achievement was in bridging the divide between R&B and hip hop, a bridge, incidentally, that Jackson had been hoping to find since working on Bad.

Jackson listened carefully to the tapes Riley brought with him and instantly loved what he heard. The tracks used different chords than he was accustomed to. The rhythms were fresh and edgy. The beats swung with velocity and hit like sledgehammers.

Among several tracks Jackson listened to that day was the groove Riley worked on the night of the party. Jackson had no idea about the context. "He knew nothing about it," Riley says. "I never told him anything about it."

A couple of weeks later, however, Riley says he was shocked to learn Jackson's title for the track: "Blood on the Dance Floor." Riley got goose bumps. "It was like he prophesied that record. He felt its mood."

Over the subsequent months, Jackson and Riley began working feverishly on a variety of tracks, sometimes separately, sometimes together at Larabee Studios in Los Angeles. "I remember he came back with this melody, 'Blood on the dance floor, blood on the dance floor.' I was like, 'Wow!' He came up with these lyrics and harmonies. Then we just started building it up, layer by layer."

Riley used a vintage drum machine (the MPC 3000) for the beat. The snare was compressed to make it pop ("I want it dry and in your face," Jackson used to say). It was a sound they used throughout the Dangerous album. "Listen to 'Remember the Time,'" Riley says. "It's very similar."

Ultimately, however, "Blood on the Dance Floor" didn't end up making it onto Dangerous. "It wasn't quite finished," Riley says. "There were still some vocal parts missing. Michael loved the song, but he would listen to it and say, 'I like what you did here, but we still need this here.' He was a perfectionist."

As the Dangerous sessions continued, other tracks began to take priority, including "Remember the Time" and "In the Closet." Jackson wouldn't resume work on "Blood" until nearly seven years later. It was now January of 1997. Jackson was in the midst of his HIStory World Tour, and had decided to visit Montreux, Switzerland during a break between the first and second leg (according to news reports, while there he also tried to purchase the home of his longtime idol, Charlie Chaplin).

Here, at Mountain Studio, Jackson went to work on the old demo. "We took Teddy's DAT (Digital Audio Tape) and worked it over with a four-man crew," recalls musician, Brad Buxer. The completed multi-track, engineered, and mixed by Mick Guzauski, was modeled very closely on the last version Jackson and Riley recorded.

"When I heard it finished, I wished I could've been the one to [complete it]," Riley says. "But Michael knows what he wants, and he was happy with it."

It was, in some ways, an unusual dance song. Like "Billie Jean," its subject matter was dark and disturbing (in this case, a narrative about being stabbed in the back in the place he least suspected--the dance floor). Jackson's clipped, raspy vocals evoke a sense of foreboding, as the electro-industrial canvas conjures a modern urban setting. Still, the song feels anything but bleak. The beat cracks out of the speakers like a whip and the hook is irresistible.

Jackson told Riley he believed the song was going to be a "smash." "He explained it like this: A hit is a song that stays on the charts for a week or two. A smash is a song that stays up there for six weeks," Riley says. "He felt 'Blood on the Dance Floor' was a 'smash.'"

"Blood on the Dance Floor" was released on March 21, 1997. Strangely, the song wasn't even promoted as a single in the U.S. Riley says Jackson didn't mind in this case. "He figured people in America would find it if they really wanted it. He wasn't worried about it." Globally, however, the song thrived, reaching the Top Ten in 15 countries and hitting No. 1 in three (including the U.K.). It also proved ripe for remixes and received frequent play in clubs and dance routines. Left off Jackson's two major studio albums that decade, "Blood" ironically became one of Jackson's most durable rhythm tracks of the '90s.

Fifteen years later, what makes the song unique? I ask Riley. "It was just a direct, aggressive sound for Michael. He always pushed for something stronger. But what was really amazing was how he pre-meditated the energy of the song. He knew what it was about even before I told him what happened that night. I've never witnessed anything or anyone as powerful as Michael."

http://www.theatlantic.co...er/254877/

Reply #194 posted 03/23/12 11:31am

Timmy84

So this basically confirms that Michael did the vocals to "Blood" in 1990... though I already knew that.

Reply #195 posted 03/23/12 1:29pm

NaughtyKitty

^Yeah, the song had that late 80s/early 90s sound to it.

Reply #196 posted 03/23/12 6:13pm

Vanilli

NaughtyKitty said:

^Yeah, the song had that late 80s/early 90s sound to it.

I always thought it was funny when MJ would perform this song in like Munich, you could hear the sound of the knife hitting the wall, like he was lip synching to the music video track. smile

On an unrelated note found this and thought it was cute! Dates back to Thriller era. An ad from Berry to MJ.

[Edited 3/23/12 18:17pm]

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Reply #197 posted 03/23/12 7:30pm

mjscarousal

NaughtyKitty said:

Michael Jackson's 'Blood on the Dance Floor,' 15 Years Later

MAR 21 2012, 2:02 PM ET 33

The strange story behind the global hit, which was released a decade and a half ago today

Blood On The Dance Floor 615.jpg

Epic


On June 6, 1990, producer/musician Teddy Riley was supposed to be at his friend and fellow band member's birthday party. Instead, he spent the night at a Soundworks Studio on 23rd Avenue in Queens, working on grooves for none other than the King of Pop, Michael Jackson.

"I told [the group] I had a lot of work to do," Riley recalls. "Michael was my priority. I was going out to California to meet him soon, and he wanted me to bring my best work."

It was a fortuitous decision.

Later that evening, Riley learned someone was shot on the dance floor at the party he had skipped. He was shaken. At just 23 years of age, violence and death were already becoming a recurring theme in his life. Within that same year, his half-brother and best friend both had also been murdered.

Riley was shocked to learn Jackson's title for the track: "Blood on the Dance Floor." "He knew what it was about even before I told him what happened that night."
The rhythm track Riley worked on that night was aggressive, ominous, menacing. But it had no words, no title, and no melody.

The following Saturday he was on his way to Neverland Ranch to meet Michael Jackson. Riley was nervous. Jackson had already tried out a handful of people to replace legendary producer, Quincy Jones, including L.A. Reid, Babyface and Bryan Loren. None stayed on.

Jackson had high hopes, however, for Teddy Riley, whose street-inflected New Jack Swing style brilliantly fused jazz, gospel, R&B, and hip hop. Indeed, perhaps its greatest achievement was in bridging the divide between R&B and hip hop, a bridge, incidentally, that Jackson had been hoping to find since working on Bad.

Jackson listened carefully to the tapes Riley brought with him and instantly loved what he heard. The tracks used different chords than he was accustomed to. The rhythms were fresh and edgy. The beats swung with velocity and hit like sledgehammers.

Among several tracks Jackson listened to that day was the groove Riley worked on the night of the party. Jackson had no idea about the context. "He knew nothing about it," Riley says. "I never told him anything about it."

A couple of weeks later, however, Riley says he was shocked to learn Jackson's title for the track: "Blood on the Dance Floor." Riley got goose bumps. "It was like he prophesied that record. He felt its mood."

Over the subsequent months, Jackson and Riley began working feverishly on a variety of tracks, sometimes separately, sometimes together at Larabee Studios in Los Angeles. "I remember he came back with this melody, 'Blood on the dance floor, blood on the dance floor.' I was like, 'Wow!' He came up with these lyrics and harmonies. Then we just started building it up, layer by layer."

Riley used a vintage drum machine (the MPC 3000) for the beat. The snare was compressed to make it pop ("I want it dry and in your face," Jackson used to say). It was a sound they used throughout the Dangerous album. "Listen to 'Remember the Time,'" Riley says. "It's very similar."

Ultimately, however, "Blood on the Dance Floor" didn't end up making it onto Dangerous. "It wasn't quite finished," Riley says. "There were still some vocal parts missing. Michael loved the song, but he would listen to it and say, 'I like what you did here, but we still need this here.' He was a perfectionist."

As the Dangerous sessions continued, other tracks began to take priority, including "Remember the Time" and "In the Closet." Jackson wouldn't resume work on "Blood" until nearly seven years later. It was now January of 1997. Jackson was in the midst of his HIStory World Tour, and had decided to visit Montreux, Switzerland during a break between the first and second leg (according to news reports, while there he also tried to purchase the home of his longtime idol, Charlie Chaplin).

Here, at Mountain Studio, Jackson went to work on the old demo. "We took Teddy's DAT (Digital Audio Tape) and worked it over with a four-man crew," recalls musician, Brad Buxer. The completed multi-track, engineered, and mixed by Mick Guzauski, was modeled very closely on the last version Jackson and Riley recorded.

"When I heard it finished, I wished I could've been the one to [complete it]," Riley says. "But Michael knows what he wants, and he was happy with it."

It was, in some ways, an unusual dance song. Like "Billie Jean," its subject matter was dark and disturbing (in this case, a narrative about being stabbed in the back in the place he least suspected--the dance floor). Jackson's clipped, raspy vocals evoke a sense of foreboding, as the electro-industrial canvas conjures a modern urban setting. Still, the song feels anything but bleak. The beat cracks out of the speakers like a whip and the hook is irresistible.

Jackson told Riley he believed the song was going to be a "smash." "He explained it like this: A hit is a song that stays on the charts for a week or two. A smash is a song that stays up there for six weeks," Riley says. "He felt 'Blood on the Dance Floor' was a 'smash.'"

"Blood on the Dance Floor" was released on March 21, 1997. Strangely, the song wasn't even promoted as a single in the U.S. Riley says Jackson didn't mind in this case. "He figured people in America would find it if they really wanted it. He wasn't worried about it." Globally, however, the song thrived, reaching the Top Ten in 15 countries and hitting No. 1 in three (including the U.K.). It also proved ripe for remixes and received frequent play in clubs and dance routines. Left off Jackson's two major studio albums that decade, "Blood" ironically became one of Jackson's most durable rhythm tracks of the '90s.

Fifteen years later, what makes the song unique? I ask Riley. "It was just a direct, aggressive sound for Michael. He always pushed for something stronger. But what was really amazing was how he pre-meditated the energy of the song. He knew what it was about even before I told him what happened that night. I've never witnessed anything or anyone as powerful as Michael."

http://www.theatlantic.co...er/254877/

Wow... good read

Reply #198 posted 03/23/12 7:42pm

smoothcriminal12

I love hearing about the creative process.

[Edited 3/23/12 19:48pm]

Reply #199 posted 03/23/12 7:44pm

Timmy84

I think bboy or someone said Michael didn't let "Blood" on the album because:

1.) it wasn't finished (as Teddy confirmed)

2.) it probably didn't fit the album's direction

Reply #200 posted 03/23/12 11:41pm

alphastreet

Is anyone else amazed as I am with how he knew nothing about the shooting incident and still picked up on it when writing the lyrics in the final version?

Reply #201 posted 03/24/12 12:17pm

Cinnamon234

Timmy84 said:

I think bboy or someone said Michael didn't let "Blood" on the album because:

1.) it wasn't finished (as Teddy confirmed)

2.) it probably didn't fit the album's direction

I think in the end, it was the right decision. "Blood On The Dancefloor" didn't fit with the album. Anyway, this was an interesting read. I really love reading about Michael's creative process when it comes to his music.

"And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ heart

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Reply #202 posted 03/24/12 12:22pm

Cinnamon234

Swa said:

Michael Jackson’s The Immortal Show Dethrones Jay-Z and Kanye West As Top Concert

Michael Jackson The Immortal Cirque du Soleil

Jay-Z and Kanye West’s ‘Watch The Throne’ tour took second place to Michael Jackson’s The Immortal Cirque du Soleil show on the top concerts list.

2011 was definitely the year of The Throne. When Jay-Z and Kanye West announced a collaboration album dubbed ‘Watch The Throne,’ we already knew to expect an incredible project. The album was held in high regard for many throughout the hip hop community, but what was more impressive was The Throne’s tour.

Anyone that attended the performance knows that there was absolutely nothing like it, and although the ‘N*ggas in Paris’ music video took actual footage from their show, if you weren’t there, you just can’t understand the energy these two possess on the stage together.

With a tour so spectacular though, the hip hop duo only managed to pull in the number 2 spot with an impressive $1,902,032. This number averages out to each fan spending around $113 per ticket.

It comes as no surprise that the only artist great enough to dethrone Jay-Z and Kanye West would be Michael Jackson himself.

‘Michael Jackson: The Immortal’ was a Cirque du Soleil show that pulled in the number 1 spot, thanks to a mind boggling $2,2362,502 in revenue being generated over the past three months in ticket sales. Even after death, Michael Jackson still has such a strong presence in pop culture, and many would say that he simply is pop culture.

Awesome news! Michael still reigns even in the after life. Love it.

Can't wait to see the show!

"And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ heart

"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always heart
Reply #203 posted 03/24/12 9:39pm

alphastreet

I wonder if BOTDF could have replaced Can't Let Her Get Away too, but then again it fit perfectly with the theme of the other songs on the album.

Reply #204 posted 03/25/12 11:13am

LittleBLUECorvette

alphastreet said:

Is anyone else amazed as I am with how he knew nothing about the shooting incident and still picked up on it when writing the lyrics in the final version?

Sometime you can just feel the music. It has those deep chords, very eerie like.

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #205 posted 03/25/12 8:53pm

Dren5

alphastreet said:

I wonder if BOTDF could have replaced Can't Let Her Get Away too, but then again it fit perfectly with the theme of the other songs on the album.

Ohhh, I'm glad it didn't; I love CLHGA

Editing to add that...on a random side-note, there's some...interesting...MJ fan-art out there...

NSFW-Discretion Advised, Adult Content :

http://www.flickr.com/pho...016848515/

[Edited 3/26/12 3:24am]

Reply #206 posted 03/26/12 10:06am

NaughtyKitty

Image

Reply #207 posted 03/26/12 4:56pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Alright guys! Vote for the MJ fan base. These other fanbases ain't got shit on us...

Proud Moonwalker for life!

http://www.nme.com/ratemy/263476/whats-the-ultimate-fanbase

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #208 posted 03/26/12 5:07pm

aardvark15

While I do feel that MJ's fan base is huge but as far as hardcore fans go, Gaga wins.

Reply #209 posted 03/26/12 5:19pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

aardvark15 said:

While I do feel that MJ's fan base is huge but as far as psychotic fans go, Gaga wins.

Fixed it for you. lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #210 posted 03/26/12 5:39pm

alphastreet

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

aardvark15 said:

While I do feel that MJ's fan base is huge but as far as psychotic fans go, Gaga wins.

Fixed it for you. lol

lol love it!

Reply #211 posted 03/26/12 7:30pm

aardvark15

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

aardvark15 said:

While I do feel that MJ's fan base is huge but as far as psychotic fans go, Gaga wins.

Fixed it for you. lol

So true. Like a year or two ago, one of Gaga's fans killed her cat in order to make a dress eek

Reply #212 posted 03/26/12 9:30pm

mjscarousal

Michael has some crazy ass fans. eek

SOME fans even committed suicide when MJ passed eek Their were fans that snuck in his hotels and places he stayed. Also camped outside for weeks just to see him. I doubt Goo Goo fans do that...

It takes no rocket science to know Michael has the most dedicated fanbase

Reply #213 posted 03/26/12 9:53pm

alphastreet

Though we are still here in numbers, I felt like we were, at least the diehards, were silenced once he died sad no more cheers or anything, it hurt like hell :*(

and lol goo goo fans

Reply #214 posted 03/28/12 3:08pm

LiLi1992

cool

[Edited 3/28/12 16:01pm]

Reply #215 posted 03/28/12 3:41pm

purplethunder3121

If people stop posting there won't be any more sticky. neutral

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
Reply #216 posted 03/28/12 3:46pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

LiLi1992 said:

cool

[Edited 3/28/12 15:12pm]

Lawd I remember this footage...had me hot an' bothered!

faint

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #217 posted 03/28/12 3:47pm

LiLi1992

purplethunder3121 said:

If people stop posting there won't be any more sticky. neutral

smile Okay .... let's do it .... I can not stand the sticky confused
Reply #218 posted 03/28/12 5:17pm

alphastreet

I like the sticky-sticky

Reply #219 posted 03/28/12 6:00pm

dm3857

im pro sticky, if there wasnt a sticky then every mj related post would turn into an argument.

Reply #220 posted 03/28/12 6:06pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

dm3857 said:

im pro sticky, if there wasnt a sticky then every mj related post would turn into an argument.

At least here we can banish the trolls...and Lord knows there are many..hmph!

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #221 posted 03/28/12 6:22pm

L4OATheOriginal

make it stop! wall

these terrible male singers trying 2 do MJ on idol wall wall wall

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
Reply #222 posted 03/28/12 6:50pm

aardvark15

L4OATheOriginal said:

make it stop! wall

these terrible male singers trying 2 do MJ on idol wall wall wall

That one guy is really good though

Reply #223 posted 03/29/12 9:24am

dag

I have offered a music teacher at our school that I could prepare a speech for her classes about MJ and she said yes. I am excited about it and have been preparing for it, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is to put everything in 90 minutes as well as show them pieces of his videos etc. Impossible task. lol

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #224 posted 03/29/12 10:41am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

dag said:

I have offered a music teacher at our school that I could prepare a speech for her classes about MJ and she said yes. I am excited about it and have been preparing for it, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is to put everything in 90 minutes as well as show them pieces of his videos etc. Impossible task. lol

Just tell the truth and end with "Greatest Entertainer/Musician/Dancer/Humanitarian of all time". Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes. lol Maybe let'em hear some unreleased stuff. That'll knock them off their feet. nod

And I'd like to see what you're gonna say! You can practice here! biggrin

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #225 posted 03/29/12 11:46am

dag

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

dag said:

I have offered a music teacher at our school that I could prepare a speech for her classes about MJ and she said yes. I am excited about it and have been preparing for it, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is to put everything in 90 minutes as well as show them pieces of his videos etc. Impossible task. lol

Just tell the truth and end with "Greatest Entertainer/Musician/Dancer/Humanitarian of all time". Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes. lol Maybe let'em hear some unreleased stuff. That'll knock them off their feet. nod

And I'd like to see what you're gonna say! You can practice here! biggrin

See, I wanna make it clear, short and I definately have to comment on child allegations, trial, vitiligo etc. even though I'd rather talk about the music, but I can't have them walk away and not tell them that. I would also like to bring there a magazine to prove right before their eyes how they lie. I wanna show them some of his greatest videos, rare performances, a short piece of Mexican Deposition where Michael describes how he writes music. I wanna present him as a person. I wanna show them a genius at work and his masterpieces. There's just so much stuff. I've finally learnt to make videos, so I've been putting things together, making subtitles..so much work...,but I love it. lol

[Edited 3/29/12 11:47am]

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #226 posted 03/29/12 12:07pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

dag said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Just tell the truth and end with "Greatest Entertainer/Musician/Dancer/Humanitarian of all time". Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes. lol Maybe let'em hear some unreleased stuff. That'll knock them off their feet. nod

And I'd like to see what you're gonna say! You can practice here! biggrin

See, I wanna make it clear, short and I definately have to comment on child allegations, trial, vitiligo etc. even though I'd rather talk about the music, but I can't have them walk away and not tell them that. I would also like to bring there a magazine to prove right before their eyes how they lie. I wanna show them some of his greatest videos, rare performances, a short piece of Mexican Deposition where Michael describes how he writes music. I wanna present him as a person. I wanna show them a genius at work and his masterpieces. There's just so much stuff. I've finally learnt to make videos, so I've been putting things together, making subtitles..so much work...,but I love it. lol

[Edited 3/29/12 11:47am]

Well get your Aphrodite Jones on, girl!

Ask bboy87 for some of his unreleased MJ demos. It's genius shit...nod

Is there anything I can help with? I'm willing to help you out if I can. smile This is MJ after all...

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #227 posted 03/29/12 2:14pm

dm3857

ill help too!! i always do my school projects on michael!

Reply #228 posted 03/29/12 3:32pm

alphastreet

That sounds like so much fun. I had a teacher in elementary school in the 90's who loved michael too and would talk about him during a class session every year, and I got Legend Continues off her to dub for myself, cause I was in LOVE already and even more from it smile I even brought in my MJ videos after it for the class. I had younger relatives years later who told me she talked about MJ with them too, before and after the death, so I'm sure you will have the same impact smile I hope you can share your slides with us once you're done.

Reply #229 posted 03/29/12 4:54pm

mookie

Rumor has it Paris is in Louisiana filming parts of her movie and Oprah is there with her. Ugh....

Reply #230 posted 03/29/12 5:36pm

dm3857

mookie said:

Rumor has it Paris is in Louisiana filming parts of her movie and Oprah is there with her. Ugh....

WHERE WHERE WHERE??! i live an hour from new orleans!!

Reply #231 posted 03/29/12 6:40pm

mookie

dm3857 said:

WHERE WHERE WHERE??! i live an hour from new orleans!!

From Twitter:

@D_MartezShow

Guess who's in Louisiana right now? @Oprah and Paris Jackson, yep, Michael Jackson's daughter... Why? and Where?

Paris Jackson is currently filming a scene from an upcoming movie she's starring in. This caused a BIG commotion b/c the school where

filming took place had to be on LOCKDOWN. Parents started freaking out b/c they thought something happened at the school. The parents were

not told ahead of time about the arrival of @Oprah and Paris Jackson. All of this took place at MSA Academy which is in Plaquemine

Paris Jackson and @Oprah then skipped on over to Nottoway Plantation which is located in White Castle LA so @Oprah could interview Paris.

Reply #232 posted 03/29/12 9:48pm

alphastreet

Not impressed. Sorry Paris.

Reply #233 posted 03/30/12 9:12am

mookie

Pepsi Partners With Michael Jackson Estate for Commemorative Packaging

Limited-Edition Package Coincides With 25th Anniversary of 'Bad'

Pepsi is paying homage to the King of Pop one more time.


The brand is working with Michael Jackson's estate to create a limited edition package featuring the singer, according to an executive close to the company. The package coincides with the 25th Anniversary of the "Bad" album, which was released on Aug. 31, 1987.

The package will be a 16 oz. can available in convenience stores and grocery stores around Memorial Day, according to Beverage Digest. The can, said to have a blue background with an image of Mr. Jackson dancing, is expected to cost 99 cents. Pepsi declined to comment.

Pepsi sponsored the 1988 Bad World Tour. The tour spanned 16 months, including 123 concerts in 15 countries attended by 4.4 million fans. When it concluded, it was the largest grossing tour in history and the tour with the largest audience.

The brand's relationship with Mr. Jackson dates back to 1984 and the "New Generation" campaign. Infamously, the singer's hair caught fire during a commercial shoot that was part of that campaign. Mr. Jackson appeared in a number of commercials for the brand over the years, performing versions of "Billie Jean" and "Bad," among other songs.

Pepsi has a long association with music but has been putting a particular emphasis on that area in the last year. It poured $60 million into a sponsorship of "X Factor," Simon Cowell's music competition, and featured the show's winner, Melanie Amaro, in a Super Bowl spot. The tagline for the ad, created by TBWA/Chiat/Day was "Where there's Pepsi, there's music."

Earlier this week, Pepsi confirmed to Ad Age its relationship with singer Nicki Minaj, who is said to be appearing in a new global campaign for the brand.

http://adage.com/article/...te/233825/

Reply #234 posted 03/30/12 9:54am

NaughtyKitty

Some rare footage of Michael filming TDCAU in Brazil

Reply #235 posted 03/30/12 10:04am

dag

NaughtyKitty said:

Some rare footage of Michael filming TDCAU in Brazil

Mike going WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILDDDDDDDDDD! What the hell was he doing there? lol BTW, his hair was sexy like this.

[Edited 3/30/12 10:05am]

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #236 posted 03/30/12 10:58am

NaughtyKitty

dag said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Some rare footage of Michael filming TDCAU in Brazil

Mike going WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILDDDDDDDDDD! What the hell was he doing there? lol BTW, his hair was sexy like this.

[Edited 3/30/12 10:05am]

Michael gone wild! lol I dont know but maybe he was trying to make things get more rowdy for the video? I cant understand what is being said here but a fan off another board explained this is what was happening:

He was calling the fans to burst in the set and fight against the cops when he saw he wasn't getting it he went to plan B. He wanted to show the police violence during TDRCAU video so he throw himself on top of the cops, and it looks like the cops were hitting him and the crowd. The reporter called the commander of the elite squad and the elite squad came and arrested all the film crew. The video was confiscated by the cops.

[Edited 3/30/12 11:49am]

Reply #237 posted 03/30/12 11:12am

dag

God. lol

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #238 posted 03/30/12 1:49pm

NaughtyKitty

dag said:

God. lol

IKR? lol

Reply #239 posted 03/30/12 2:11pm

Cinnamon234

aardvark15 said:

While I do feel that MJ's fan base is huge but as far as hardcore fans go, Gaga wins.

Nope. Not even close.

No other entertainer except crazy ass Michael fans would have people releasing DOVES at their trial for fucking child molestation. NOBODY. That right there topped it all for me lol .

Doves?! Doves? Seriously.

I include myself in the fanbase as well as i'm a huge MJ fan but even I was taken aback, like "wtf"? Gaga has crazy fans, but Michael fans are by far on another level of crazy and devotion. I can't see any other entertainer having fans quit their jobs, sell their homes,etc. as MJ fans did to come out and support them every day at a court house as many MJ fans did for him. I can't imagine any other entertainer having this much support especially for such serious allegations as the ones Michael was accused of.


The thing that always amazes me is that Michael has had a huge, devoted fanbase since the 70's. I doubt Gaga will have a crazy, devoted fanbase waiting outside of hotels for her,camping outside of her home and following her when she's in her 40's or 50's like MJ did.

Madonna is really one of the very few older stars who still has a huge, dedicated fanbase, but MJ's fans have always been on another level.

No one comes close to their (or "our" shall I say) level of crazy imo lol .

"And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ heart

"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always heart
Reply #240 posted 03/30/12 3:37pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Cinnamon234 said:

aardvark15 said:

While I do feel that MJ's fan base is huge but as far as hardcore fans go, Gaga wins.

Nope. Not even close.

No other entertainer except crazy ass Michael fans would have people releasing DOVES at their trial for fucking child molestation. NOBODY. That right there topped it all for me lol .

Doves?! Doves? Seriously.

I include myself in the fanbase as well as i'm a huge MJ fan but even I was taken aback, like "wtf"? Gaga has crazy fans, but Michael fans are by far on another level of crazy and devotion. I can't see any other entertainer having fans quit their jobs, sell their homes,etc. as MJ fans did to come out and support them every day at a court house as many MJ fans did for him. I can't imagine any other entertainer having this much support especially for such serious allegations as the ones Michael was accused of.


The thing that always amazes me is that Michael has had a huge, devoted fanbase since the 70's. I doubt Gaga will have a crazy, devoted fanbase waiting outside of hotels for her,camping outside of her home and following her when she's in her 40's or 50's like MJ did.

Madonna is really one of the very few older stars who still has a huge, dedicated fanbase, but MJ's fans have always been on another level.

No one comes close to their (or "our" shall I say) level of crazy imo lol .

I personally saw nothing wrong with what those fans did with the doves. It was...out there...to say the least, but nothing too abnormal. Then again....I just might be jaded and not shocked by anything anymore, considering I've been part of the fanbase for so long. lol

And yeah...the devotion back in 2005 is unbelievable. And it's still going strong I'd say. Not as unified as it used to be, but still there. Michael Jackson is just that powerful.

Madonna's aiiiight and her fans....are okay with me. Lady Gaga's fans are just psychotic though. And not in the charming way. lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #241 posted 03/30/12 4:56pm

alphastreet

Good thing it was all not guilty so none of us had to sing When Doves Cry lol

Reply #242 posted 03/30/12 5:29pm

claudiax

Crazy eek , No other artist had this madness about him ALL HIS LIFE. 70s. 80s, 90s ........ 2009. And in any place of the world.

[Edited 3/30/12 17:29pm]

Reply #243 posted 03/30/12 7:00pm

aardvark15

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Cinnamon234 said:

Madonna is really one of the very few older stars who still has a huge, dedicated fanbase, but MJ's fans have always been on another level.

No one comes close to their (or "our" shall I say) level of crazy imo lol .

I personally saw nothing wrong with what those fans did with the doves. It was...out there...to say the least, but nothing too abnormal. Then again....I just might be jaded and not shocked by anything anymore, considering I've been part of the fanbase for so long. lol

And yeah...the devotion back in 2005 is unbelievable. And it's still going strong I'd say. Not as unified as it used to be, but still there. Michael Jackson is just that powerful.

Madonna's aiiiight and her fans....are okay with me. Lady Gaga's fans are just psychotic though. And not in the charming way. lol

Speaking of that, remember monsters against Madonna lol

Reply #244 posted 03/31/12 12:57am

alphastreet

claudiax said:

Crazy eek , No other artist had this madness about him ALL HIS LIFE. 70s. 80s, 90s ........ 2009. And in any place of the world.

[Edited 3/30/12 17:29pm]

Just got through it and got emotional sometimes and snickered at other times since I could see myself getting like that if I ever saw him, acting a fool lol

Reply #245 posted 03/31/12 12:27pm

dm3857

hey,i need one of you who know ALOT about each album as far as extended versions and official remixes (things like that) to help me out. im trying to make my own "deluxe edition" of my michael albums with all the extended versions, and remixes, and things like that, so if any of you have alot of knowledge on these things could you please help me out on which ones i should put on each albums,

thanks!

Reply #246 posted 03/31/12 1:49pm

mjscarousal

NOBODY has fans like Michaels. Has any Gaga committed suicide over her ? eek I HIGHLY doubt that.

Reply #247 posted 03/31/12 5:27pm

aardvark15

mjscarousal said:

NOBODY has fans like Michaels. Has any Gaga committed suicide over her ? eek I HIGHLY doubt that.

She hasn't died yet. I'm sure tons will after her death. Expecially some of her gay fans. For some of them, she's the only the reason they're not dead.

Reply #248 posted 03/31/12 5:52pm

Swa

So from adage - we can assume that the Bad album launch will be sometime in late May.

Not too far off.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #249 posted 03/31/12 5:54pm

Swa

So it got me thinking - surely if there is some action soon on Bad25 they would have a website...

and....

http://www.bad25.com/

Now I don't know if this is an official site or not but....

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #250 posted 04/01/12 1:13am

alphastreet

aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said:

NOBODY has fans like Michaels. Has any Gaga committed suicide over her ? eek I HIGHLY doubt that.

She hasn't died yet. I'm sure tons will after her death. Expecially some of her gay fans. For some of them, she's the only the reason they're not dead.

Really?

Reply #251 posted 04/01/12 1:17am

alphastreet

dm3857 said:

hey,i need one of you who know ALOT about each album as far as extended versions and official remixes (things like that) to help me out. im trying to make my own "deluxe edition" of my michael albums with all the extended versions, and remixes, and things like that, so if any of you have alot of knowledge on these things could you please help me out on which ones i should put on each albums,

thanks!

Billie Jean and Wanna Be Startin Something have extended mixes on their LP singles and a bootleg album that came out in the Bad era including those two

for Bad, the Bad extended mix, one with a false fade, the other just extended, plus the Smooth Criminal, The Way You Make Me Feel, Leave Me Alone ones (this one is on a single) are great. There is also Another Part of Me extended on the Visionary single of Leave Me Alone, awesome!

Dangerous era: Who Is It Patience mix, Remember the Time New Swing, In the Closet Club mix come to mind right now. I think the Jam one I liked was Brothers in Rhythm but I can't remember.

BOTDF: Fire Island mix of the title track is great, and the Ghosts mix on the HIStory single

will help you more later

Reply #252 posted 04/01/12 2:13am

Ellie

aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said:

NOBODY has fans like Michaels. Has any Gaga committed suicide over her ? eek I HIGHLY doubt that.

She hasn't died yet. I'm sure tons will after her death. Expecially some of her gay fans. For some of them, she's the only the reason they're not dead.

It depends. MJ has been a constant in a lot of people's lives since they were born. For a lot of people they may have had rough childhoods but their love of someone like MJ was the one thing that was always there. I assume anyone who committed suicide over MJ's death might have been in that situation.

Lady Gaga has been famous for about 3 years. Give her another 20-30 years and then there may be crazy adults who have only ever had her as a fantasy role model for their entire lives. Madonna on the other hand never really had that special connection with her fans. I reckon any crazies around have her pity more than anything.

Reply #253 posted 04/01/12 10:05am

Cinnamon234

Exactly. That was my point. Let me see if Gaga will have this crazy following when she's in her 40's or 50's like MJ did. She's only been famous a few years so it's not that impressive to me. Justin Bieber has insanely obsessed fans as well but I'm sure that will die down in the next few years.

My point is that it's very hard to keep your audience interested and maintain a big, hardcore fanbase like MJ has. Michael had these types of fans and lots of them for his entire career.Of course there will still be Gaga fans who love and adore her in 15 or 20 years, but I guarantee it will not be on the level of MJ. The adoration for Gaga will die in the next few years or so. She will not have as extensive of or as hardcore of a fanbase that MJ had when she's in her 40's or so, definitely not.

Neither Gaga or any entertainer could have gone through as many scandals as MJ did and still maintain a big devoted fanbase like he did. No way.

Here's the thing. A lot of people have grown up with MJ. He was and is the soundtrack to many people's childhood's. People of all differenct races, ages, religions etc. connected with him. Gaga has nothing like that. It's not even comparable. Michael had something very special about him and had a true connection with his fans that i've rarely seen.

-Anyway, I saw Cirque Du Solei last night and it was awesome! I laughed, I cried, I cried some more lol. I MISS HIM SO MUCH. I was just waiting for MJ to come out on stage but of course that couldn't happen. I so wish I could have been seeing him in concert instead of a tribute sad. Anyway, I thought the show started off a bit slow, but it definitely picked up later on. Highlights for me were "Smooth Criminal", "Dangerous", "Human Nature", "Thriller", "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" and "Black or White". It was just a beautiful tribute to MJ as an artist and a person. I loved it.

I really wanna see it again!

"And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ heart

"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always heart
Reply #254 posted 04/01/12 4:40pm

CrabalockerFishwife

dm3857 said:

hey,i need one of you who know ALOT about each album as far as extended versions and official remixes (things like that) to help me out. im trying to make my own "deluxe edition" of my michael albums with all the extended versions, and remixes, and things like that, so if any of you have alot of knowledge on these things could you please help me out on which ones i should put on each albums,

thanks!

I'm not sure how much information you need.. do you want a complete list of remixes/demos/outtakes, etc? do you need to know where to find those songs [what albums/singles they're on]? Are you asking for which ones are the best? I'm not sure exactely what you want to know, but...

Off The Wall

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough (Demo) [on Off The Wall [2001 Special Edition])

Working Day and Night (Demo) [on Off The Wall [2001 Special Edition])

She's Out Of My Life (Demo) [on This Is It]

Sunset Driver (Outtake) [on The Ultimate Collection]

Rock With You (Alternate Version) [on early pressings of Off The Wall]

Off The Wall (Remix) [on Off The Wall [Single]]

Off The Wall (Junior Vasquez Mix) [on Stranger In Moscow maxi-single]

Rock With You (Masters At Work Remix) [on Rock With You Visionary single]

Rock With You (Frankie's Favorite Club Mix)

Rock With You (Frankie Knuckles Radio Mix)

Rock With You (Extended Version)

I recall there being remixes of "Don't Stop...", but I can't find any info on them. I'm sure somebody else can give you more information, but since only one other person replied so far, this is what I know. I can do the other albums later.

Here's the slightly different original mix of "Rock With You", in case you're not familiar with it..

[Edited 4/1/12 16:44pm]

Reply #255 posted 04/01/12 4:43pm

CrabalockerFishwife

alphastreet said:

Leave Me Alone ones (this one is on a single) are great.

I didn't know there was an extended version of "Leave Me Alone".. thanks for letting me know. I have all of the other Bad 12" mixes.

[Edited 4/1/12 16:43pm]

Reply #256 posted 04/01/12 4:52pm

aardvark15

CrabalockerFishwife said:

dm3857 said:

hey,i need one of you who know ALOT about each album as far as extended versions and official remixes (things like that) to help me out. im trying to make my own "deluxe edition" of my michael albums with all the extended versions, and remixes, and things like that, so if any of you have alot of knowledge on these things could you please help me out on which ones i should put on each albums,

thanks!

Here's the slightly different original mix of "Rock With You", in case you're not familiar with it..

[Edited 4/1/12 16:44pm]

I never understood why they changed it. Same with Bad and Smooth Criminal.

[Edited 4/1/12 16:52pm]

Reply #257 posted 04/01/12 4:56pm

CrabalockerFishwife

aardvark15 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Here's the original mix of "Rock With You", in case you're not familiar with it..

I never understood why they changed it. Same with Bad and Smooth Criminal.

[Edited 4/1/12 16:52pm]

eek Wow.. I don't know what you're talking about.. lol How did they change "Bad" and "Smooth Criminal"? Or are you just talking about editing the songs from the 12" mixes? confuse

Reply #258 posted 04/01/12 5:02pm

aardvark15

CrabalockerFishwife said:

aardvark15 said:

I never understood why they changed it. Same with Bad and Smooth Criminal.

[Edited 4/1/12 16:52pm]

eek Wow.. I don't know what you're talking about.. lol How did they change "Bad" and "Smooth Criminal"? Or are you just talking about editing the songs from the 12" mixes? confuse

In Bad originally the horns were throughout the whole song, they changed it so the horns were onlt at the end.

With Smooth Criminal there used to be breathing at the beginning and the bass was stronger.

Reply #259 posted 04/01/12 5:31pm

Timmy84

aardvark15 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Here's the slightly different original mix of "Rock With You", in case you're not familiar with it..

[Edited 4/1/12 16:44pm]

I never understood why they changed it. Same with Bad and Smooth Criminal.

[Edited 4/1/12 16:52pm]

Wouldn't be no different than many songs that were revised here and there for singles purposes. Q or Rod or even MJ thought "something's amiss here". I love the one with the handclaps.

Reply #260 posted 04/01/12 5:34pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

I never understood why they changed it. Same with Bad and Smooth Criminal.

[Edited 4/1/12 16:52pm]

Wouldn't be no different than many songs that were revised here and there for singles purposes. Q or Rod or even MJ thought "something's amiss here". I love the one with the handclaps.

The problem I have with it is that they act like it was never changed. They don't label it as remixed or revised or anything.

Reply #261 posted 04/01/12 5:46pm

Timmy84

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

Wouldn't be no different than many songs that were revised here and there for singles purposes. Q or Rod or even MJ thought "something's amiss here". I love the one with the handclaps.

The problem I have with it is that they act like it was never changed. They don't label it as remixed or revised or anything.

Most songs released as singles never do.

Reply #262 posted 04/01/12 5:50pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

The problem I have with it is that they act like it was never changed. They don't label it as remixed or revised or anything.

Most songs released as singles never do.

But when they change them for single release they don't put the changed version on the album. Expecially when the album is a rerelease.

Reply #263 posted 04/01/12 5:52pm

Timmy84

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

Most songs released as singles never do.

But when they change them for single release they don't put the changed version on the album. Expecially when the album is a rerelease.

Technically I can't even call RWY a "revised" version. Only thing that changed was they add claps. shrug Get on the Floor was revised a little differently than the one on the original album. Whereas the ending didn't include Michael shouting and yelling, the revised version features him shouting and yelling.

Reply #264 posted 04/01/12 6:00pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

But when they change them for single release they don't put the changed version on the album. Expecially when the album is a rerelease.

Technically I can't even call RWY a "revised" version. Only thing that changed was they add claps. shrug Get on the Floor was revised a little differently than the one on the original album. Whereas the ending didn't include Michael shouting and yelling, the revised version features him shouting and yelling.

I hope someday soon the greedy pigs at Sony decied to release an album filled with all the un-revised versions of the songs.

Reply #265 posted 04/01/12 6:00pm

mjscarousal

aardvark15 said:

mjscarousal said:

NOBODY has fans like Michaels. Has any Gaga committed suicide over her ? eek I HIGHLY doubt that.

She hasn't died yet. I'm sure tons will after her death. Expecially some of her gay fans. For some of them, she's the only the reason they're not dead.

I disagree with that I dont think Gaga fans are the same as MJ fans. MJ has LIFE LONG fans. He has fans that grew up with him, been to his concerts, camped outside his house, hotels just to see a glimpse of him. Michael has been harrassed nearly jumped by his own fans.. NO artist out today has experience that. Gaga can walk freely to a restaurant if she wanted to.

Michael could not do that.Michael couldnt even walk a fuckin RED CARPET which he rarely did.. come on now...

Reply #266 posted 04/02/12 5:00am

Swa

There are several versions of the album cuts now.

OFF THE WALL was originally released on CD as it appeared on the album. Then in a reissue they included the version that has the overdubs on tracks like Rock With You, and Get On The Floor.

I don't believe Thriller re-releases contained any overdubs or alternate takes.

On BAD the original CD contained original versions of all tracks.

Subsequent releases had the following changes:

"Bad" original mix was replaced with the 7" Single Mix. The most notable difference is the lack of horns in all the choruses except for the last two. Horns are also missing from the second and third pre-choruses. The rhythm guitar during the choruses is also turned up along with the hi hats.

"The Way You Make Me Feel" uses the full length remix used for the single with louder vocals and ad libs added to the end replaced the original album mix.

"I Just Can't Stop Loving You" omits Michael Jackson's spoken intro.

"Dirty Diana" is replaced with the single edit of the song.

"Smooth Criminal" went through two changes on the album. It was remixed to make the kick drum heavier and the bass synth fatter. The quick-sequenced synclavier behind the bass has been rendered mono as well. The first version of this mix left the breathing intact, but was later removed after some time.

DANGEROUS - No changes.

HIStory had two notable changes:

They Don't Care About Us - the revised edit of song taking out lyrics deemed offensive.

HIStory original release had a different intro. The subesquent releases had a different intro.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #267 posted 04/02/12 5:00am

Swa

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #268 posted 04/02/12 11:11am

dag

Can anyone remember the number of books that Mike owned? I remember that Messarau talked about it during the trial. I can't remember the exact number, but wasn't it over 100 000?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #269 posted 04/02/12 11:46am

purple05

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

===================================================

I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him.

(I know this isnt posted in the sticky.. SO PLEASE do not come in here with the BS!! If you cannot contribute to the discussion.... STAY OUT!!!!!!!! thanks biggrin )

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part?
I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson?
I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical?
He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists?
Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/t...l-jackson/

heres a link to the old thread to watch all the videos i posted

http://prince.org/msg/8/378720

[Edited 4/2/12 13:35pm]

Reply #270 posted 04/02/12 12:07pm

CrabalockerFishwife

purple05 said:

heres a link to the old thread to watch all the videos i posted

http://prince.org/msg/8/378720

Link fixed.

Reply #271 posted 04/02/12 12:17pm

claudiax

mjscarousal said:

aardvark15 said:

She hasn't died yet. I'm sure tons will after her death. Expecially some of her gay fans. For some of them, she's the only the reason they're not dead.

I disagree with that I dont think Gaga fans are the same as MJ fans. MJ has LIFE LONG fans. He has fans that grew up with him, been to his concerts, camped outside his house, hotels just to see a glimpse of him. Michael has been harrassed nearly jumped by his own fans.. NO artist out today has experience that. Gaga can walk freely to a restaurant if she wanted to.

Michael could not do that.Michael couldnt even walk a fuckin RED CARPET which he rarely did.. come on now...

So true .

Reply #272 posted 04/02/12 1:33pm

purple05

CrabalockerFishwife said:

purple05 said:

heres a link to the old thread to watch all the videos i posted

http://prince.org/msg/8/378720

Link fixed.

thanks boo smile

Reply #273 posted 04/02/12 1:42pm

purple05

REPOST w/vids

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

===================================================

I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him. \

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part? I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson? I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical? He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists? Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/teaching-voice-to-michael-jackson/

little mike

whos lovin you

teenage mike

one day in your life

young adult mike

cant help it

adult mike (under 40)

liberian girl

cant let her get away- i added this one because I LOVE how he uses his voice(staccato).

adult mike (40+)

[Edited 4/2/12 13:43pm]

Reply #274 posted 04/02/12 1:44pm

purple05

claudiax said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree with that I dont think Gaga fans are the same as MJ fans. MJ has LIFE LONG fans. He has fans that grew up with him, been to his concerts, camped outside his house, hotels just to see a glimpse of him. Michael has been harrassed nearly jumped by his own fans.. NO artist out today has experience that. Gaga can walk freely to a restaurant if she wanted to.

Michael could not do that.Michael couldnt even walk a fuckin RED CARPET which he rarely did.. come on now...

So true .

no one receives that kind of hysteria.. not even the living beatles

Reply #275 posted 04/02/12 11:04pm

mjscarousal

Jammin hard to Off The Wall music

Reply #276 posted 04/03/12 1:43am

tangerine7

MJ mobbed in San Fan Ca. 84'

Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Edited 4/3/12 2:11am]

Reply #277 posted 04/03/12 7:33am

NaughtyKitty

Paris turns 14 today! woot! flower party cake pepsi My how time flies.

Reply #278 posted 04/03/12 9:03am

mjscarousal

tangerine7 said:

MJ mobbed in San Fan Ca. 84'

Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Edited 4/3/12 2:11am]

Yea no other fans or just people in general would go stupid like that over somebody NOBODY out now.... There are people who cant stand Mike that would break their necks to get a glimpse of him and run him down. The man couldnt go NO WHERE and if he did he had to disguise himself. There is nobody out now that has that kind of effect over people. Im not star stunned by any of these stars at all.

Reply #279 posted 04/03/12 9:13am

mjscarousal

purple05 said:

REPOST w/vids

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

===================================================

I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him. \

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part? I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson? I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical? He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists? Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/teaching-voice-to-michael-jackson/

little mike

whos lovin you

teenage mike

one day in your life

young adult mike

cant help it

adult mike (under 40)

liberian girl

cant let her get away- i added this one because I LOVE how he uses his voice(staccato).

adult mike (40+)

[Edited 4/2/12 13:43pm]

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

Reply #280 posted 04/03/12 10:37am

purple05

mjscarousal said:

purple05 said:

REPOST w/vids

ahhh wep.... i tried but it didnt work(they closed my thread) so ill post in here

===================================================

I personally feel that its such a shame that MJ is soooo underrated as a vocalist. It seems like people get so caught up in the dancing, clothes and overall spectale that it the king of pop, that people forget one of the main things that has made him stand out from the beginning.. HIS VOCALS!!!! I think on vocals and showmanship alone, very few IF ANY can f*ck with him. \

these are exerpts from an article where a vocal coach talks about having to teach MJs voice for a play.

What is most challenging about singing for this part? I don’t think I have ever taught anything more difficult! To play the part of the young Michael Jackson you have to have extraordinary vocal stamina – I mean, you have to constantly change vocal qualities, from belt to head-voice to fast riffs and falsetto, and reach up to high G’s and A’s.

Has training Jean Mikhael given you a window into the talent of Michael Jackson? I’ve always thought that Michael Jackson was an absolute genius but this experience has certainly shown me that he was a genius on every level. He pushed his voice – even at a young age—as far as it could go. Coaching a young singer to replicate the vocal gymnastics he was capable of was quite an eye opener.

From a coaching point of view, what was it that made Michael’s singing so magical? He was able to combine, as no one had before, an incredible range and vocal athleticism – with vocal runs that parallel opera greats – and an intuitive feeling for shifting vocal qualities within a single song.

Is some of this magic available to all vocalists? Yes. For Michael what came first was his connection to the text and emotion of a song. His voice served to express his passions and beliefs. He could shift from a low, velvety tone to a high falsetto or high belt in an instant whilst retaining the musical phrase and the integrity of his expression. Riffs and ornaments were used to serve the emotion he was trying to convey, they were not used to simply “show off”, and he sang simple, beautiful phrases as well as exciting ornamental ones. Any singer can learn and improve on these qualities but with Michael it was a gift. Jean Mikhael has this gift as well.

http://voicecouncil.com/teaching-voice-to-michael-jackson/

[Edited 4/2/12 13:43pm]

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

yes he is. some people dont know what being a good vocalist means so they dont know any better.

Reply #281 posted 04/03/12 11:10am

mjscarousal

purple05 said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

yes he is. some people dont know what being a good vocalist means so they dont know any better.

Yea... most people think majority of whats playing on the radio are good vocalists. People are just....DUMB lol

Reply #282 posted 04/03/12 12:03pm

mjforever

Reply #283 posted 04/03/12 12:56pm

Timmy84

mjforever said:

Lord... lol

Reply #284 posted 04/03/12 1:06pm

aardvark15

lol That was one of the funniest videos I've seen a while. Kurt Cobain was priceless!!

Reply #285 posted 04/03/12 3:41pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

mjforever said:

falloff falloff falloff

Freddie's hilarious!

And Michael's sweet as always heart

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #286 posted 04/03/12 4:03pm

CrabalockerFishwife

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

Reply #287 posted 04/03/12 4:05pm

CrabalockerFishwife

As a vocalist, though, I think he's wildly considered a great singer.

He's my favorite vocalist, anyway. I particularly like his voice on the slower songs.. The Lady In My Life, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, For All Time, Break Of Dawn, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens, etc..

Reply #288 posted 04/03/12 4:47pm

Timmy84

CrabalockerFishwife said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

Yeah people still believe Quincy Jones WROTE "Billie Jean". falloff

Reply #289 posted 04/03/12 4:57pm

aardvark15

CrabalockerFishwife said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael is very underrated as a vocalist and as a songwriter

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

Reply #290 posted 04/03/12 4:59pm

aardvark15

CrabalockerFishwife said:

As a vocalist, though, I think he's wildly considered a great singer.

He's my favorite vocalist, anyway. I particularly like his voice on the slower songs.. The Lady In My Life, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, For All Time, Break Of Dawn, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens, etc..

GOD YES!! I love his vocals on those songs. I get goose bumps when I hear some of those songs.

Reply #291 posted 04/03/12 6:12pm

CrabalockerFishwife

aardvark15 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

I don't know... most people now consider Off The Wall, Thriller & Bad to be classics. Even after that, most of his albums got good ratings from critics. Most of the reviews criticised the recurring themes in his songs (attacking the media; healing the world), and I think they have a point there.. I don't think every album needed a "Man In The Mirror" and a "Scream".

Reply #292 posted 04/03/12 6:14pm

alphastreet

CrabalockerFishwife said:

aardvark15 said:

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

I don't know... most people now consider Off The Wall, Thriller & Bad to be classics. Even after that, most of his albums got good ratings from critics. Most of the reviews criticised the recurring themes in his songs (attacking the media; healing the world), and I think they have a point there.. I don't think every album needed a "Man In The Mirror" and a "Scream".

Dangerous was initially praised by the likes of Rolling Stone as well

Reply #293 posted 04/03/12 7:12pm

dm3857

i would have to agree, michael is not given enough credit for his vocals.. people get so caught up in his spectacular danceing and performing that they forget about his voice.

his voice is so diverse, he can sing an angelic soft classical ballad, or a raw emotional song, and everything in between.his voice is unlike any other. i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well, the Genius and the Magic that michael has created is so extrordinary, its above and beond anything that any other artist has created (of coars, this is my opinion)

Reply #294 posted 04/03/12 7:16pm

CrabalockerFishwife

dm3857 said:

i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

Reply #295 posted 04/03/12 7:27pm

dm3857

CrabalockerFishwife said:

dm3857 said:

i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

I was talking about more of a "today in music" type underated.. everyone is being marketed as "the next michael jackson" "who will be the next King of pop" type things... its almost like comparing someone who teaches themsef to play marry had a little on piano to Mozart.... you know? i dont know if im making much since,lol im having trouble explaining..lol

Reply #296 posted 04/03/12 9:11pm

Emancipation89

I personally don't think Michael is underrated as an artist or as a vocalist in general...before his death, definitely yes, but after he died definitely not...but I do agree a lot of people are not aware of how much of a hands-on artist he was when it comes to composing, writing, choreographing, coming up with concepts for music videos etc. Well yeah they talk about "who's the next MJ" all the time these days but I guess I'm too secure with MJ's talent and status(?) to be bothered by those comments...I mean they're only using that MJ comparison just because it's the biggest compliment they can come up with..nothing to take too seriously imo..

One thing I don't get is how "dancing" is underrated in general. A lot of people praise as if being a great instrument player is some kind of god-given talent but they look at dancing as something anyone can do...I just never understood this. Anyone can learn to play instrument just like anyone can take dance lessons...but being the best at it definitely takes practice and natural talent...I guess maybe because a lot of people think being able to play instruments equals the ability to compose music nuts

btw I know it's a bit off-topic but why isn't orger Bboy87 here anymore...I know it sounds incredibly selfish but where am I supposed to get the new Mj music updates now...don't tell me to fuck off to MJ forums plz, took me like a year to come up with this awesome username for Prince.org...I don't wanna go anywhere else now...

Reply #297 posted 04/03/12 9:55pm

mjscarousal

dm3857 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

I was talking about more of a "today in music" type underated.. everyone is being marketed as "the next michael jackson" "who will be the next King of pop" type things... its almost like comparing someone who teaches themsef to play marry had a little on piano to Mozart.... you know? i dont know if im making much since,lol im having trouble explaining..lol

Yea I agree and understand your point

Its as if his success is easy to achieve or his talent is not "unique" in the sense that anybody can be the next MJ or he can be replaced when we all know that isnt true. Michael is very underrated as an ARTIST.

He mostly gets accolades for his performances and music videos more so than his songwriting and diverse vocal/singing style.

Reply #298 posted 04/04/12 5:17pm

HotGritz

JUST BECAUSE....

[img:$uid]http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/F%20the%20press,%20Michael%20you're%20the%20best!.jpg[/img:$uid]

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. rose
Reply #299 posted 04/04/12 6:17pm

aardvark15

HotGritz said:

JUST BECAUSE....

[img:$uid]http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/F%20the%20press,%20Michael%20you're%20the%20best!.jpg[/img:$uid]

I was always found Michael his most attractive during the bad and deangerous eras. This picture just gives proof

Reply #300 posted 04/04/12 6:56pm

mjscarousal

CrabalockerFishwife said:

As a vocalist, though, I think he's wildly considered a great singer.

He's my favorite vocalist, anyway. I particularly like his voice on the slower songs.. The Lady In My Life, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, For All Time, Break Of Dawn, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens, etc..

I think his dancing and music videos get most of the attention before his vocals. I think people know Michael had a great voice but its just not appreciated enough and we both of course know most people dont even know he wrote majority of his songs.

Reply #301 posted 04/04/12 7:13pm

CrabalockerFishwife

Out of curiosity, I looked up Rolling Stone magazine's greatest singers list. Michael is only #25.. I do feel that's a bit low, especially considering some of the people they ranked above him.


http://www.rollingstone.c...e-19691231

The guy who wrote about him on that list seemed to agree that he's underappreciated as an artist, though..

When somebody gets as big as he did, you lose sight of how avant-garde and revolutionary they are, but Michael Jackson pushed the boundaries of pop and R&B.

Reply #302 posted 04/05/12 6:36am

Emancipation89

aardvark15 said:

HotGritz said:

JUST BECAUSE....

[img:$uid]http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/F%20the%20press,%20Michael%20you're%20the%20best!.jpg[/img:$uid]

I was always found Michael his most attractive during the bad and deangerous eras. This picture just gives proof

To me personally the most attractive MJ era has always been Shake Ur Body Down (2 the ground) ~ Off the Wall era. Even before I became a fan I'd look at OTW era MJ pics and go all mushy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPQmHwALAck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zo4kW9bjTU

Reply #303 posted 04/05/12 12:37pm

purple05

CrabalockerFishwife said:

As a vocalist, though, I think he's wildly considered a great singer.

He's my favorite vocalist, anyway. I particularly like his voice on the slower songs.. The Lady In My Life, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, For All Time, Break Of Dawn, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens, etc..

i think he is considered a good vocalist by people who understand singing, but thats it.

Reply #304 posted 04/05/12 12:41pm

purple05

Timmy84 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!

Yeah people still believe Quincy Jones WROTE "Billie Jean". falloff

Some people dont understand that just because you dont play an instrument that does not mean you cannot compose music. Thats a major hang up for people, especially on this board. I think some prince fans feel uneasy by the fact that MJ didnt have to play 3000 instruments to come up with some pretty damn good songs. They just dont know how to comprehend it. There are many people who play instruments who arent blessed with the gift that MJ had. The voice is a instument and all physical instruments are made from sounds of the voice, so as far as im concerned, MJ was perfectly fine.

Reply #305 posted 04/05/12 12:45pm

purple05

dm3857 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

According to VH1, he's second only to The Beatles on their list of greatest artists.

I was talking about more of a "today in music" type underated.. everyone is being marketed as "the next michael jackson" "who will be the next King of pop" type things... its almost like comparing someone who teaches themsef to play marry had a little on piano to Mozart.... you know? i dont know if im making much since,lol im having trouble explaining..lol

I agree. Chris Brown, JT and Usher or whoever else is good, but MJ was more than just a pop star. Im not a Madonna Hater but I do not like it when people put them on the same level because they are not. But Madge is very good at what she does though. I also think people forget about the genius of MJ from'69-'79 because MJ alone during that period is even better than many of the Pop Stars today.

Reply #306 posted 04/05/12 12:52pm

purple05

Emancipation89 said:

I personally don't think Michael is underrated as an artist or as a vocalist in general...before his death, definitely yes, but after he died definitely not...but I do agree a lot of people are not aware of how much of a hands-on artist he was when it comes to composing, writing, choreographing, coming up with concepts for music videos etc. Well yeah they talk about "who's the next MJ" all the time these days but I guess I'm too secure with MJ's talent and status(?) to be bothered by those comments...I mean they're only using that MJ comparison just because it's the biggest compliment they can come up with..nothing to take too seriously imo..

One thing I don't get is how "dancing" is underrated in general. A lot of people praise as if being a great instrument player is some kind of god-given talent but they look at dancing as something anyone can do...I just never understood this. Anyone can learn to play instrument just like anyone can take dance lessons...but being the best at it definitely takes practice and natural talent...I guess maybe because a lot of people think being able to play instruments equals the ability to compose music nuts

btw I know it's a bit off-topic but why isn't orger Bboy87 here anymore...I know it sounds incredibly selfish but where am I supposed to get the new Mj music updates now...don't tell me to fuck off to MJ forums plz, took me like a year to come up with this awesome username for Prince.org...I don't wanna go anywhere else now...

I agree. I rember Tina Landon (Janets old choreo for vids like IF, Scream, Runaway, Velvet Rope Tour etc) said she was amazed with how quicly MJ picked up choreo. She said that he made her do it again, again and again................................ and some more while watching her

then he got up and did it. She said that she had never seen someone learn choreo like that and she is Creme del a Creme is dance. Also so many professional dancers say that he is the reason they dance and usually they only site other professionals. As they say, when things a different/infimilar to people, instead of trying to figure it out... we dismiss it and call it wierd or try to lessen it because we cannot wrap our minds around the greatness of it

Reply #307 posted 04/05/12 12:56pm

purple05

aardvark15 said:

HotGritz said:

JUST BECAUSE....

[img:$uid]http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/F%20the%20press,%20Michael%20you're%20the%20best!.jpg[/img:$uid]

I was always found Michael his most attractive during the bad and deangerous eras. This picture just gives proof

girllll NO!!! he was still mighty fine then, but Thriller era MJ was IT!!!

He couldve gotten anything from me however and whenever he wanted it. (he just wouldvr had to work for it first lol)

Reply #308 posted 04/05/12 1:02pm

purple05

mjscarousal said:


I think his dancing and music videos get most of the attention before his vocals. I think people know Michael had a great voice

Not people I know or people on the web. People mainly site R&B singers like Luther, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, Freddie Mecury or Stevie Wonder as good singers. Most people think he can only carry a tune. While I think those men are good singers, MJ is up there with them. Even on this site. Many Prince fans will say Prince is better, but people who knows about singing will disagree. People even have the nerve to say Jermaine is better which is not true.

Reply #309 posted 04/05/12 1:02pm

HotGritz

hmmm I just realized that MJ never did a video for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'. Why on earth did he not do a vid for this amazing song? The dancing would have been off the muthafuggin chain! music

Wait....am I mistaken?

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. rose
Reply #310 posted 04/05/12 1:05pm

CrabalockerFishwife

HotGritz said:

hmmm I just realized that MJ never did a video for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'. Why on earth did he not do a vid for this amazing song? The dancing would have been off the muthafuggin chain! music

Wait....am I mistaken?

No, he never did a video.

But he did play it live on every tour, which was better in my opinion than a video. I never liked the album version of that song.. it didn't have the energy that his live performances had.

Reply #311 posted 04/05/12 2:04pm

Timmy84

HotGritz said:

hmmm I just realized that MJ never did a video for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'. Why on earth did he not do a vid for this amazing song? The dancing would have been off the muthafuggin chain! music

Wait....am I mistaken?

Nah he didn't do a video. I'm guessing that he didn't think it needed one. Michael still somehow sold nearly 30 million with just three (iconic) videos. nod

Reply #312 posted 04/05/12 3:04pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

hmmm I just realized that MJ never did a video for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'. Why on earth did he not do a vid for this amazing song? The dancing would have been off the muthafuggin chain! music

Wait....am I mistaken?

Nah he didn't do a video. I'm guessing that he didn't think it needed one. Michael still somehow sold nearly 30 million with just three (iconic) videos. nod

Speaking of that, Does anybody know why P.Y.T never got a video and was never performed live?

Reply #313 posted 04/05/12 4:11pm

Cinnamon234

Michael is criminally underrated as a vocalist.


It's very sad to me. Such a beautiful and unique voice, yet people mainly go on and on about his dancing and video's.

Michael is my fave male singer ever. It's true that when talking about great singers especially in the r&b community, people will say Luther, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye,etc. but Michael hardly ever gets mentioned or when he does people say he was only a good singer when he was a little boy.

He is a wonderful singer who could do so much with his voice. Call him overrated if you want, but not in the vocal department. He never gets the credit he deserves when it comes to his voice if you ask me.

"And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ heart

"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always heart
Reply #314 posted 04/05/12 5:01pm

HotGritz

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah he didn't do a video. I'm guessing that he didn't think it needed one. Michael still somehow sold nearly 30 million with just three (iconic) videos. nod

Speaking of that, Does anybody know why P.Y.T never got a video and was never performed live?

eek not even in Europe?

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. rose
Reply #315 posted 04/05/12 5:49pm

aardvark15

HotGritz said:

aardvark15 said:

Speaking of that, Does anybody know why P.Y.T never got a video and was never performed live?

eek not even in Europe?

Nope. Strange too, it's one of the songs I hear the most by him on the radio

Reply #316 posted 04/05/12 5:51pm

aardvark15

Cinnamon234 said:

Michael is criminally underrated as a vocalist.


It's very sad to me. Such a beautiful and unique voice, yet people mainly go on and on about his dancing and video's.

Michael is my fave male singer ever. It's true that when talking about great singers especially in the r&b community, people will say Luther, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye,etc. but Michael hardly ever gets mentioned or when he does people say he was only a good singer when he was a little boy.

He is a wonderful singer who could do so much with his voice. Call him overrated if you want, but not in the vocal department. He never gets the credit he deserves when it comes to his voice if you ask me.

Exactly how I feel.

Reply #317 posted 04/05/12 6:29pm

PeachBeret

Official Bad 25 logo
http://www.mjjunderground.com/2012/04/05/bad-25-the-official-logo/
I'll show my... if you show me your...
Reply #318 posted 04/05/12 7:31pm

CrabalockerFishwife

aardvark15 said:

HotGritz said:

eek not even in Europe?

Nope. Strange too, it's one of the songs I hear the most by him on the radio

I honestly think "PYT" and "The Girl Is Mine" are his two worst singles, and two of my least favorite songs of his. I'm surprised to hear that the song gets a lot of airplay. I never thought it was very good or very successful (relative to his other singles), which is probably why there were no live performances of it.

Reply #319 posted 04/05/12 8:56pm

claudiax

Reply #320 posted 04/05/12 9:49pm

mjforever

claudiax said:

It's a beautiful photo heart

Reply #321 posted 04/05/12 11:59pm

mjscarousal

Cinnamon234 said:

Michael is criminally underrated as a vocalist.


It's very sad to me. Such a beautiful and unique voice, yet people mainly go on and on about his dancing and video's.

Michael is my fave male singer ever. It's true that when talking about great singers especially in the r&b community, people will say Luther, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye,etc. but Michael hardly ever gets mentioned or when he does people say he was only a good singer when he was a little boy.

He is a wonderful singer who could do so much with his voice. Call him overrated if you want, but not in the vocal department. He never gets the credit he deserves when it comes to his voice if you ask me.

Very Well Said, I agree.

Reply #322 posted 04/06/12 1:06am

claudiax

Lord .......... lol falloff

Reply #323 posted 04/06/12 9:36am

DarlingDiana

PeachBeret said:

Official Bad 25 logo http://www.mjjunderground...cial-logo/

I like it (not too crazy about the grey outline though).

One of the best things about Thriller 25 was the packaging, so the release of this logo holds great promise for that. I'm hoping for the same kind of packaging with the holographic cover and the booklet.

The worst thing about Thriller 25 though was the content. There was nothing really new (remastered 'For All Time' was nice, but I always thought that was from the Dangerous era). I didn't like the will.i.am remixes. The DVD was just Thriller videos we've all seen a hundred times. So I'm hoping for a lot more out of Bad 25.

From what I know of rumored/confirmed unreleased MJ songs is that most of them seem to come form the Bad sessions. In fact, I heard Bad was originally a double album with 30 songs. So I hope we get a bunch of unreleased material we've never heard before (so Fly Away, Streetwalker, Cheater etc. wont impress me).

I know the biggest fan fantasy is Wembley '88. That would be awesome. But any remastered Bad tour footage would be great. Even as a separate DVD. I think I'd be asking too much for a four-disc Bad 25 with the original album, a CD of unreleased material, a DVD of all the Bad videos and hopefully some cool extras, and a DVD of the Bad tour. Even though that's what we really want, let's be honest.

The wish list for Bad 25 is huge. I hope they deliver.

Reply #324 posted 04/06/12 10:38am

aardvark15

claudiax said:

Lord .......... lol falloff

lol I stole from black culture, why are you offended?

Reply #325 posted 04/06/12 12:01pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

claudiax said:

Lord .......... lol falloff

falloff falloff

"I didn't lose any chocolate, I just added vanilla." lol lol lol lol

Damn Mike! Show that man's who's boss!

My vote's for Mike. smile

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #326 posted 04/06/12 12:05pm

dag

claudiax said:

Lord .......... lol falloff

God. lol

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #327 posted 04/06/12 12:26pm

PeachBeret

DarlingDiana said:

 



PeachBeret said:


Official Bad 25 logo http://www.mjjunderground.com/2012/04/05/bad-25-the-official-logo/

 


I like it (not too crazy about the grey outline though).


 


One of the best things about Thriller 25 was the packaging, so the release of this logo holds great promise for that. I'm hoping for the same kind of packaging with the holographic cover and the booklet. 


 


The worst thing about Thriller 25 though was the content. There was nothing really new (remastered 'For All Time' was nice, but I always thought that was from the Dangerous era). I didn't like the will.i.am remixes. The DVD was just Thriller videos we've all seen a hundred times. So I'm hoping for a lot more out of Bad 25.


 


From what I know of rumored/confirmed unreleased MJ songs is that most of them seem to come form the Bad sessions. In fact, I heard Bad was originally a double album with 30 songs. So I hope we get a bunch of unreleased material we've never heard before (so Fly Away, Streetwalker, Cheater etc. wont impress me).


 


I know the biggest fan fantasy is Wembley '88. That would be awesome. But any remastered Bad tour footage would be great. Even as a separate DVD. I think I'd be asking too much for a four-disc Bad 25 with the original album, a CD of unreleased material, a DVD of all the Bad videos and hopefully some cool extras, and a DVD of the Bad tour. Even though that's what we really want, let's be honest.


 


The wish list for Bad 25 is huge. I hope they deliver.


I agree with the whole thing. I'm not looking foward to any remixes on this one cause Will.I.Am one was just..... Yeah lol. Just not my cup of tea. I would really like Wembley or Yokohama but any would be fine and with some backstage footage too. I'm also hearing Pepsi is making MJ soda cans aswell.
I'll show my... if you show me your...
Reply #328 posted 04/06/12 4:51pm

Swa

DarlingDiana said:

PeachBeret said:

Official Bad 25 logo http://www.mjjunderground...cial-logo/

I like it (not too crazy about the grey outline though).

One of the best things about Thriller 25 was the packaging, so the release of this logo holds great promise for that. I'm hoping for the same kind of packaging with the holographic cover and the booklet.

The worst thing about Thriller 25 though was the content. There was nothing really new (remastered 'For All Time' was nice, but I always thought that was from the Dangerous era). I didn't like the will.i.am remixes. The DVD was just Thriller videos we've all seen a hundred times. So I'm hoping for a lot more out of Bad 25.

From what I know of rumored/confirmed unreleased MJ songs is that most of them seem to come form the Bad sessions. In fact, I heard Bad was originally a double album with 30 songs. So I hope we get a bunch of unreleased material we've never heard before (so Fly Away, Streetwalker, Cheater etc. wont impress me).

I know the biggest fan fantasy is Wembley '88. That would be awesome. But any remastered Bad tour footage would be great. Even as a separate DVD. I think I'd be asking too much for a four-disc Bad 25 with the original album, a CD of unreleased material, a DVD of all the Bad videos and hopefully some cool extras, and a DVD of the Bad tour. Even though that's what we really want, let's be honest.

The wish list for Bad 25 is huge. I hope they deliver.

I agree - the logo looks like something done in microsoft paint, lol. I understand it's trying to stay true to the graffiti style of the tag but something cooler could have been created.

I hope that recent anniversary releases by other artists including U2's stellar packaging for Achtung Baby, gives the company some food for thought in what to include. I think they will most likely trot out another "remastered" edition with a few extra songs.

I won't mind so much if they want to hold back on some unreleased stuff for another 'Michael' album, but then give us the evolution of the songs - give us demos, alternate takes, 12" remixes - in return.

As this is really the first time the Estate has overseen a re-release, I hope they ensure Sony do it right.

And finally as fans, I think we have to expect that while it *may* chart in the top 100 it won't be a number 1 smash. I'll be happy if it is, but to expect to it be is unrealistic. Rarely, if ever, do re-releases or anniversary editions chart well. Of course some fans will blame Sony or The Estate no matter what they release, but I think we need to be realistic here.

That all said, I am looking forward to seeing what comes out and would love a live DVD - especially from the second leg of the tour where more BAD tracks were included.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #329 posted 04/07/12 1:30am

Dren5

claudiax said:

Lord .......... lol falloff

I didn't even know they did an MJ one.

I used to watch the Epic Rap Battles of History on a regular basis but I think it jumped the shark ages ago and I jumped off that bandwagon way last year.

Reply #330 posted 04/07/12 9:05am

PatrickS77

purple05 said:

claudiax said:

So true .

no one receives that kind of hysteria.. not even the living beatles


Oh, memories... I am on the above picture. That was the day after he announced the O2 shows. The last time I saw him. What you see here though is only the inside... here is what it looked on the outside... and that's only a fraction of the people who were there:

[img:$uid]http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/804/img5352g.jpg[/img:$uid]

And that was really wherever he went.

Reply #331 posted 04/07/12 3:07pm

mookie

Swa said:

And finally as fans, I think we have to expect that while it *may* chart in the top 100 it won't be a number 1 smash. I'll be happy if it is, but to expect to it be is unrealistic. Rarely, if ever, do re-releases or anniversary editions chart well. Of course some fans will blame Sony or The Estate no matter what they release, but I think we need to be realistic here.

So many fans on MJ boards are never realistic when it comes to MJ's sales. I expect alot of them to be stupid as usual if Bad25 doesn't do great numbers. Especially if the promotion is there.

Reply #332 posted 04/07/12 4:14pm

Timmy84

mookie said:

Swa said:

And finally as fans, I think we have to expect that while it *may* chart in the top 100 it won't be a number 1 smash. I'll be happy if it is, but to expect to it be is unrealistic. Rarely, if ever, do re-releases or anniversary editions chart well. Of course some fans will blame Sony or The Estate no matter what they release, but I think we need to be realistic here.

So many fans on MJ boards are never realistic when it comes to MJ's sales. I expect alot of them to be stupid as usual if Bad25 doesn't do great numbers. Especially if the promotion is there.

That's one reason I stopped going to fan boards because that's mostly all they talk about.

Reply #333 posted 04/07/12 6:27pm

Arbwyth

dm3857 said:

i would have to agree, michael is not given enough credit for his vocals.. people get so caught up in his spectacular danceing and performing that they forget about his voice.

his voice is so diverse, he can sing an angelic soft classical ballad, or a raw emotional song, and everything in between.his voice is unlike any other. i feel that michael as an artist is underated as well, the Genius and the Magic that michael has created is so extrordinary, its above and beond anything that any other artist has created (of coars, this is my opinion)

My Rolling Stone special edition is packed away somewhere right now, but there was an article in there that mentioned around the OTW era a critic called MJ the best technical singer in the United States (or singer with the best technique, something along those lines). It's interesting and frustrating that after he really blew up he suddenly wasn't considered a good singer anymore. People tend to believe if a musician is popular, they can't possibly be good. Prince seems to be an exception to this to some extent, but I'll bet if he'd been less popular people would go on about his talent even more. It's such a cynical way of looking at the world. I prefer to be incredibly happy that someone like MJ became so popular -- he was insanely talented, gave a shit about the world, he became popular in an era when the majority of Americans were against interracial marriage (which I just learned was until 1991 eek ), didn't conform to gender expectations, and generally came across as a kind and non-diva-esque person. When I think about how many people loved him, and how intensely they loved him, it makes me look at the world a little bit differently, because if people were as awful and judgmental as I sometimes fear, no way in hell would they have loved someone like MJ. Granted, everybody will take something different from a musician's work, but this is the way I like to look at it. smile

And I see all of your creations as one perfect complex
No one less beautiful
Or more special than the next
Reply #334 posted 04/07/12 8:17pm

aiden

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Out of curiosity, I looked up Rolling Stone magazine's greatest singers list. Michael is only #25.. I do feel that's a bit low, especially considering some of the people they ranked above him.




http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-singers-of-all-time-19691231


 


The guy who wrote about him on that list seemed to agree that he's underappreciated as an artist, though..


 



When somebody gets as big as he did, you lose sight of how avant-garde and revolutionary they are, but Michael Jackson pushed the boundaries of pop and R&B.




Can't believe Bob Dylan is ranked higher, this list is rubbish although I agree on Stevie wonder being in the top 10
"Still Crazy 4 Coco Rock"
Reply #335 posted 04/07/12 8:37pm

CrabalockerFishwife

aiden said:

Can't believe Bob Dylan is ranked higher, this list is rubbish although I agree on Stevie wonder being in the top 10

Bob Dylan is on the list because he 'revolutionized' singing, because he didn't have a 'traditionally' good voice.

I'm shocked at Paul McCartney being #11.. never thought he was a good singer [and I'm a Beatles fan].. and definitely not better than Michael. I think Michael deserved to be at least top 20.


[Edited 4/7/12 20:38pm]

Reply #336 posted 04/07/12 8:52pm

PatrickS77

CrabalockerFishwife said:

aiden said:

Can't believe Bob Dylan is ranked higher, this list is rubbish although I agree on Stevie wonder being in the top 10

Bob Dylan is on the list because he 'revolutionized' singing, because he didn't have a 'traditionally' good voice.

I'm shocked at Paul McCartney being #11.. never thought he was a good singer [and I'm a Beatles fan].. and definitely not better than Michael. I think Michael deserved to be at least top 20.


[Edited 4/7/12 20:38pm]

Yeah! That list is kinda ridiculous. Especially the people ranked above Michael. John Lennon and Bob Dylan better singers than him? Yeah, right. Kinda frightening that Bono is singing the praises for Dylan.

Reply #337 posted 04/07/12 9:00pm

CrabalockerFishwife

PatrickS77 said:

Yeah! That list is kinda ridiculous. Especially the people ranked above Michael. John Lennon and Bob Dylan better singers than him? Yeah, right. Kinda frightening that Bono is singing the praises for Dylan.

Personally, I do like both John and Bob's singing, but Michael is my favorite vocalist. But these lists are based on popularity, critical acclaim and influence, so it's not surprising that The Beatles and Bob Dylan would rank higher.

Reply #338 posted 04/07/12 9:08pm

PatrickS77

My opinion is that Bob Dylan cannot really sing. And that list is called "greatest singer", so the focus should be on the singing and not on whom Rolling Stone likes most.

Reply #339 posted 04/07/12 9:13pm

Timmy84

PatrickS77 said:

My opinion is that Bob Dylan cannot really sing. And that list is called "greatest singer", so the focus should be on the singing and not on whom Rolling Stone likes most.

RS made it clear it was about people they favored. They beat it in folks heads that the only ones that matter are a guy from the wrong side of the streets in Tupelo, four lads from Liverpool and a wiry protest folk singer from Minnesota. lol And occasionally a former long-haired, former bandana-sporting, former-bearded soul man messiah from Jersey. lol

[Edited 4/7/12 21:14pm]

Reply #340 posted 04/07/12 9:20pm

PatrickS77

^^^Yeah. Basically. That's why RS lists are ridiculous.

Reply #341 posted 04/07/12 10:23pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

PatrickS77 said:

My opinion is that Bob Dylan cannot really sing. And that list is called "greatest singer", so the focus should be on the singing and not on whom Rolling Stone likes most.

RS made it clear it was about people they favored. They beat it in folks heads that the only ones that matter are a guy from the wrong side of the streets in Tupelo, four lads from Liverpool and a wiry protest folk singer from Minnesota. lol And occasionally a former long-haired, former bandana-sporting, former-bearded soul man messiah from Jersey. lol

[Edited 4/7/12 21:14pm]

Your forgetting the most obvious one lol

Reply #342 posted 04/08/12 12:38am

Timmy84

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

RS made it clear it was about people they favored. They beat it in folks heads that the only ones that matter are a guy from the wrong side of the streets in Tupelo, four lads from Liverpool and a wiry protest folk singer from Minnesota. lol And occasionally a former long-haired, former bandana-sporting, former-bearded soul man messiah from Jersey. lol

[Edited 4/7/12 21:14pm]

Your forgetting the most obvious one lol

Those people came off the top of my head. Unless you mean that college dropout, broke dancer from Bay City by way of New York or vice versa. smile Then yeah I forgot her. lol

Reply #343 posted 04/08/12 12:12pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

Your forgetting the most obvious one lol

Those people came off the top of my head. Unless you mean that college dropout, broke dancer from Bay City by way of New York or vice versa. smile Then yeah I forgot her. lol

No not her lol They don't care about her anyway lol

Reply #344 posted 04/08/12 12:37pm

Timmy84

aardvark15 said:

Timmy84 said:

Those people came off the top of my head. Unless you mean that college dropout, broke dancer from Bay City by way of New York or vice versa. smile Then yeah I forgot her. lol

No not her lol They don't care about her anyway lol

Oh. lol

Reply #345 posted 04/08/12 12:43pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

No not her lol They don't care about her anyway lol

Oh. lol

I'm talking about the band they love so much they named the magazine after them lol

Reply #346 posted 04/08/12 2:05pm

bigd74

I'm going through some of my stuff and i've just read that the full version of Carousel was on a Special Edition of Thriller, can anyone tell me which one coz it ain't on Thriller25 and the first remast/expanded version. I currently lovin Got The Hots from the jap version. cool

She Believed in Fairytales and Princes, He Believed the voices coming from his stereo

If I Said You Had A Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me?
Reply #347 posted 04/08/12 3:52pm

JasonWill1980

I've seen people say that Michael was quote "bigger than a head of state". In the video of the news report of MJ going to the White House in 1984, a reporter says regarding MJ's arrival as "a head of state has never attracted so much attention..". To me that is crazy. MJ has got to be the biggest star in the history of the world after that.

Reply #348 posted 04/08/12 4:12pm

mjscarousal

bigd74 said:

I'm going through some of my stuff and i've just read that the full version of Carousel was on a Special Edition of Thriller, can anyone tell me which one coz it ain't on Thriller25 and the first remast/expanded version. I currently lovin Got The Hots from the jap version. cool

Its on Thriller Special Edition that Im going to have to buy again because my mom lost it confused

lol

I LOVE Carousal

Reply #349 posted 04/08/12 8:51pm

CrabalockerFishwife

^ Does the 2001 Special Edition contain the entire song "Carousel", or just a snippet? [ according to wikipedia, it's not the full song [I don't own the Special Edition] - http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ck_listing ]

Full Version

The not-full version

Reply #350 posted 04/08/12 8:53pm

CrabalockerFishwife

I love "Carousel", but it's not hard to see why "Human Nature" replaced it. Still, I wish they had included this song instead of "The Girl Is Mine" or "PYT".

Reply #351 posted 04/08/12 8:58pm

Timmy84

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I love "Carousel", but it's not hard to see why "Human Nature" replaced it. Still, I wish they had included this song instead of "The Girl Is Mine" or "PYT".

Uh, leave PYT alone. bored2 lol I actually don't mind TGIM though. I think the reasoning why Carousel was taken out was because it interrupted the album's flow. I envisioned having Carousel on Thriller but it didn't match what they were trying to achieve so I can see why Carousel didn't fit Thriller. I wouldn't have put it on the album either.

Reply #352 posted 04/08/12 9:05pm

babybugz

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I love "Carousel", but it's not hard to see why "Human Nature" replaced it. Still, I wish they had included this song instead of "The Girl Is Mine" or "PYT".

PYT and The Girl is mine are classic though. lol

[Edited 4/8/12 21:06pm]

Reply #353 posted 04/08/12 10:00pm

aardvark15

Timmy84 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I love "Carousel", but it's not hard to see why "Human Nature" replaced it. Still, I wish they had included this song instead of "The Girl Is Mine" or "PYT".

Uh, leave PYT alone. bored2 lol

I've always loved PYT. Remove the stupid "guitar and uh part" as well as the chant, and it's heavily.

Reply #354 posted 04/08/12 11:07pm

mjscarousal

CrabalockerFishwife said:

^ Does the 2001 Special Edition contain the entire song "Carousel", or just a snippet? [ according to wikipedia, it's not the full song [I don't own the Special Edition] - http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ck_listing ]

Full Version

The not-full version

Your right, It doesnt contain the full version.

Reply #355 posted 04/09/12 12:05pm

bigd74

CrabalockerFishwife said:

^ Does the 2001 Special Edition contain the entire song "Carousel", or just a snippet? [ according to wikipedia, it's not the full song [I don't own the Special Edition] - http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ck_listing ]

Full Version

The not-full version

Yeah i don't know what special edition it's on, i have the 2001 remaster and it's the 1.51 version and it's not on Thriller25, but according the the King Of Pop album page in wiki, there's so many configurations the full Carousel appears on one version and it says it's on a special edition.

Any news on a Bad25 tracklist or date?

She Believed in Fairytales and Princes, He Believed the voices coming from his stereo

If I Said You Had A Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me?
Reply #356 posted 04/09/12 9:08pm

LittleBLUECorvette

Any news on BAD25? Damnit bboy, come back!

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #357 posted 04/10/12 4:16am

LiLi1992

aardvark15 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

He's definitely underrated as a songwriter.. most people refuse to believe that he even wrote his own songs!http://prince.org/msg/reply.php?tid=376924&sc=f7d54&q=8514182&pg=10

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

BUT MJ is included in the Hall of Fame rock n 'roll (twice), the Songwriters Hall of Fame, in the National Museum of Dance and Hall of Fame (it's not surveys, ratings and articles in newspapers, this is a complicated procedure and absolute recognition) ... I do not think. that there is at least one artist who has it in 3 areas: music, dance, song authorship.
Michael - a good songwriter, he wrote some great songs on their own and in my personal top 20 favorite authors, but let us frankly, there are dozens more gifted songwriters. Obviously, MJ is a much better songwriter than his rivals on the pop music (Mariah Carrey, Madonna, etc.), but in soul music, and especially in rock music - there is a group of songwriters who are more capable , versatile and productive.
In any case, Michael had a great talent and a full package of different abilities. Only the deaf, blind, limited hater would deny this obvious for everyone fact.
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Who has this photo in full size?? cool

Reply #358 posted 04/10/12 8:02am

dag

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Any news on BAD25? Damnit bboy, come back!

Where is he? Does he have a new girlfriend or what?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #359 posted 04/10/12 12:02pm

Timmy84

dag said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Any news on BAD25? Damnit bboy, come back!

Where is he? Does he have a new girlfriend or what?

I've only seen him post on the KOP. He was lurking here last week.

Reply #360 posted 04/10/12 12:51pm

alphastreet

s ago

LiLi1992 said:

aardvark15 said:

I think Michael was underrated, peroid. He may have been big commercially, but critically people failed to acknowledge how awesome he was

BUT MJ is included in the Hall of Fame rock n 'roll (twice), the Songwriters Hall of Fame, in the National Museum of Dance and Hall of Fame (it's not surveys, ratings and articles in newspapers, this is a complicated procedure and absolute recognition) ... I do not think. that there is at least one artist who has it in 3 areas: music, dance, song authorship.
Michael - a good songwriter, he wrote some great songs on their own and in my personal top 20 favorite authors, but let us frankly, there are dozens more gifted songwriters. Obviously, MJ is a much better songwriter than his rivals on the pop music (Mariah Carrey, Madonna, etc.), but in soul music, and especially in rock music - there is a group of songwriters who are more capable , versatile and productive.
In any case, Michael had a great talent and a full package of different abilities. Only the deaf, blind, limited hater would deny this obvious for everyone fact.
-----
Who has this photo in full size?? cool

I do I do! I had a poster in my room years ago though in colour. I still have it.

Reply #361 posted 04/10/12 1:06pm

tangerine7

mjforever said:

lol

Reply #362 posted 04/10/12 1:08pm

tangerine7

mjscarousal said:

tangerine7 said:

MJ mobbed in San Fan Ca. 84'

Hollywood Walk of Fame

[Edited 4/3/12 2:11am]

Yea no other fans or just people in general would go stupid like that over somebody NOBODY out now.... There are people who cant stand Mike that would break their necks to get a glimpse of him and run him down. The man couldnt go NO WHERE and if he did he had to disguise himself. There is nobody out now that has that kind of effect over people. Im not star stunned by any of these stars at all.

Indeed.

Yeah I don't think I'd be stunned to run into these people now days either. Yeah MJ couldn't walk around mist Thriller and by BAD Forget it. He was one of the few living legends.

[Edited 4/10/12 13:12pm]

Reply #363 posted 04/10/12 8:26pm

L4OATheOriginal

dag said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Any news on BAD25? Damnit bboy, come back!

Where is he? Does he have a new girlfriend or what?

nah but he keeps dreaming about having some of my stella's and it going down like that lol

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
Reply #364 posted 04/10/12 8:33pm

bboy87

L4OATheOriginal said:

dag said:

Where is he? Does he have a new girlfriend or what?

nah but he keeps dreaming about having some of my stella's and it going down like that lol

L4OA threatened me to post lol

I'm a mod on King Of Pop Dicussion and The Michael Jackson Archive so when I'm online, I'm usually there, especially the latter lol I just haven't really had the interest to post here but I'll try to be active here again smile

Bad25.......logo announced, new Pepsi sponsorship, rumors of new remixes being done at Westlake studios, and the possibility of a Bad Tour DVD is NEARLY certain from what's been said biggrin

oh, and Spike Lee's doing a documentary about the album

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #365 posted 04/10/12 8:41pm

Emancipation89

excited excited excited lurking 24/7 finally paid off!!!!! ^^ plz post stuff constantly like u used to I mean some of us are only depending on MJ sticky and a MJ Facebook page......which is like no help

Reply #366 posted 04/10/12 9:25pm

PeachBeret

Man sings Beat It on a train lmfao
http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php?v=wshhOtNP33s9ti9h0yqA
I'll show my... if you show me your...
Reply #367 posted 04/10/12 9:57pm

G3000

Intresting! eek

[img:$uid]http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r606/WKRP-FM/Capture1.jpg[/img:$uid]

Reply #368 posted 04/11/12 2:11am

Timmy84

Hmm Spike producing a documentary on the making of Bad... interesting.

Reply #369 posted 04/11/12 2:46am

SoulAlive

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

Reply #370 posted 04/11/12 3:20am

alphastreet

gg

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

I loooove that song so much!

Reply #371 posted 04/11/12 3:14pm

babybugz

bboy87 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

nah but he keeps dreaming about having some of my stella's and it going down like that lol

oh, and Spike Lee's doing a documentary about the album

When will this be coming out?

Reply #372 posted 04/11/12 4:00pm

bboy87

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

It was a #1 single on the dance chart and nominated for a Grammy. Had it been officially a single, it would've definitely been a hit on the Hot 100

It should've been on Victory IMO. Jermaine and Michael's performances of it during the Victory Tour were great

[Edited 4/11/12 16:00pm]

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #373 posted 04/11/12 4:03pm

mjscarousal

bboy87 said:

Welcome back stranger! I thought KOP kidnapped you! hug

Reply #374 posted 04/11/12 4:09pm

bboy87

alphastreet said:

s ago

LiLi1992 said:

BUT MJ is included in the Hall of Fame rock n 'roll (twice), the Songwriters Hall of Fame, in the National Museum of Dance and Hall of Fame (it's not surveys, ratings and articles in newspapers, this is a complicated procedure and absolute recognition) ... I do not think. that there is at least one artist who has it in 3 areas: music, dance, song authorship.
Michael - a good songwriter, he wrote some great songs on their own and in my personal top 20 favorite authors, but let us frankly, there are dozens more gifted songwriters. Obviously, MJ is a much better songwriter than his rivals on the pop music (Mariah Carrey, Madonna, etc.), but in soul music, and especially in rock music - there is a group of songwriters who are more capable , versatile and productive.
In any case, Michael had a great talent and a full package of different abilities. Only the deaf, blind, limited hater would deny this obvious for everyone fact.
-----
Who has this photo in full size?? cool

I do I do! I had a poster in my room years ago though in colour. I still have it.

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/nzmyy0.jpg[/img:$uid]

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #375 posted 04/11/12 4:46pm

aardvark15

That is why I LOVE the Bad era look

Reply #376 posted 04/11/12 5:46pm

LittleBLUECorvette

bboy87 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

nah but he keeps dreaming about having some of my stella's and it going down like that lol

L4OA threatened me to post lol

I'm a mod on King Of Pop Dicussion and The Michael Jackson Archive so when I'm online, I'm usually there, especially the latter lol I just haven't really had the interest to post here but I'll try to be active here again smile

Bad25.......logo announced, new Pepsi sponsorship, rumors of new remixes being done at Westlake studios, and the possibility of a Bad Tour DVD is NEARLY certain from what's been said biggrin

oh, and Spike Lee's doing a documentary about the album

"Rick Ross voice"

bboy back.

bboy back

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #377 posted 04/12/12 12:35am

tangerine7

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

It was a #1 single on the dance chart and nominated for a Grammy. Had it been officially a single, it would've definitely been a hit on the Hot 100

It should've been on Victory IMO. Jermaine and Michael's performances of it during the Victory Tour were great

[Edited 4/11/12 16:00pm]

I agree it would've went to number 1 as well on the hot 100. I can't tell you how much I heard that song on FM radio in 84-85 when I was a kid, as well as "Do What You Do.."

Reply #378 posted 04/12/12 12:56am

alphastreet

Yep that's my poster, I LOVE that pic, though sometimes I had to look away after waking up cause it looked like he was staring at ME! lol

Reply #379 posted 04/12/12 4:00am

LiLi1992

thanks, bboy87 smile

That is why I LOVE the Bad era look

I like his look more in 1979-1983

In "bad" era MJ looked good, but is a little too androgynous for my taste. I like more pretty and cute Michael than androgynous Michael, although I prefer his work in the later period, 1987-1997. wink

Reply #380 posted 04/12/12 6:12am

alphastreet

He was definitely cute in those eras, but Bad era look, especially onstage, is my favourite.

Reply #381 posted 04/12/12 10:52am

G3000

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough!!

[img:$uid]http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r606/WKRP-FM/MJDontStop.jpg[/img:$uid]

Reply #382 posted 04/12/12 11:09am

Derek1984

bboy87 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

nah but he keeps dreaming about having some of my stella's and it going down like that lol

L4OA threatened me to post lol

I'm a mod on King Of Pop Dicussion and The Michael Jackson Archive so when I'm online, I'm usually there, especially the latter lol I just haven't really had the interest to post here but I'll try to be active here again smile

Bad25.......logo announced, new Pepsi sponsorship, rumors of new remixes being done at Westlake studios, and the possibility of a Bad Tour DVD is NEARLY certain from what's been said biggrin

oh, and Spike Lee's doing a documentary about the album

I want unreleased tracks as they were left. Bad25 remixes? Watch, it will probably be something like Justin Beiber doing a remix to Bad and Kanye West doing a remix to Another Part of Me rolleyes

Reply #383 posted 04/12/12 12:09pm

DarlingDiana

bboy87 said:

oh, and Spike Lee's doing a documentary about the album

That sounds cool. I was hoping for something like that with Thriller 25. This is possibly the most interesting thing about the Bad 25 project so far.

Knowing that there possibly might be some remixes is definitely the least exciting thing I've heard. I'd so much rather unreleased material, even if it's crap. Give me a poorly recorded, unfinished song that didn't make it onto Bad over remixes. I really, really don't want to hear the 2012 version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" where they replace Siedah Garrett's vocals with Fergie's.

Reply #384 posted 04/12/12 1:45pm

Ellie

If there's even 5 seconds of video footage of Michael in the studio recording any song from Bad in that documentary I think I'll wet my pants.

Reply #385 posted 04/12/12 1:58pm

G3000

Ellie said:

If there's even 5 seconds of video footage of Michael in the studio recording any song from Bad in that documentary I think I'll wet my pants.

If there is you won't see him, he has to be in total darkness, not even Q or Bruce S.(engineer) can see him when he lays down his vocals.

Reply #386 posted 04/12/12 2:18pm

LiLi1992

G3000 said:

Ellie said:

If there's even 5 seconds of video footage of Michael in the studio recording any song from Bad in that documentary I think I'll wet my pants.

If there is you won't see him, he has to be in total darkness, not even Q or Bruce S.(engineer) can see him when he lays down his vocals.

wink
Reply #387 posted 04/12/12 3:16pm

G3000

I JUST WET MY PANTS! lol

LiLi1992 said:

G3000 said:

If there is you won't see him, he has to be in total darkness, not even Q or Bruce S.(engineer) can see him when he lays down his vocals.

wink

Reply #388 posted 04/12/12 10:34pm

Ellie

^ I've seen that one before - so damn gorgeous.

Reply #389 posted 04/13/12 2:05am

Azz

smoothcriminal12 said:

foralltime said:

This is what Paris said on her Twitter account:

People should know by now not to believe the media when it comes down to TMZ talking about my family. IS my dad actually singing.

Okay, that clears Hold My Had, but what about Hold My Hand?

lol lol

Reply #390 posted 04/13/12 4:34am

SoulAlive

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

It was a #1 single on the dance chart and nominated for a Grammy. Had it been officially a single, it would've definitely been a hit on the Hot 100

It should've been on Victory IMO. Jermaine and Michael's performances of it during the Victory Tour were great

Yeah,it definitely should have been on Victory.

Reply #391 posted 04/13/12 9:05am

dm3857

I want unreleased tracks as they were left. Bad25 remixes? Watch, it will probably be something like Justin Beiber doing a remix to Bad and Kanye West doing a remix to Another Part of Me rolleyes

i would have a bitch fit if that were the case! what they need to do is make a big extravagent box set with outtakes, demos, alternate versions,remixes, a live album (not yokohoma) and i think they should release a few dvds.. some from the 1st leg maybe tokyo (red shirt and black shirt) then of coarse Wembley 88 and maybe even an america show (MSG or Kansas)

Reply #392 posted 04/13/12 11:01am

mjscarousal

dm3857 said:

I want unreleased tracks as they were left. Bad25 remixes? Watch, it will probably be something like Justin Beiber doing a remix to Bad and Kanye West doing a remix to Another Part of Me rolleyes

i would have a bitch fit if that were the case! what they need to do is make a big extravagent box set with outtakes, demos, alternate versions,remixes, a live album (not yokohoma) and i think they should release a few dvds.. some from the 1st leg maybe tokyo (red shirt and black shirt) then of coarse Wembley 88 and maybe even an america show (MSG or Kansas)

cool Agree

Reply #393 posted 04/13/12 12:38pm

CrabalockerFishwife

mjscarousal said:

dm3857 said:

i would have a bitch fit if that were the case! what they need to do is make a big extravagent box set with outtakes, demos, alternate versions,remixes, a live album (not yokohoma) and i think they should release a few dvds.. some from the 1st leg maybe tokyo (red shirt and black shirt) then of coarse Wembley 88 and maybe even an america show (MSG or Kansas)

cool Agree

I'd like that, too; but there is no way that'll be the case. The most we can realistically hope for is 1 bonus disc of outtakes/alternate takes, etc., and 1 live dvd. They're not going to be generous with the outtakes, though.. they paid a lot of money for that stuff, and they're gonna spread those songs across as many albums as they can. No posthumous album will have more than 10 songs on it. I doubt any album reissue will have more than 2-3 outtakes.

2 or 3 new songs is all I'm expecting, and if I get it, I'll be happy.

Reply #394 posted 04/13/12 2:02pm

dm3857

CrabalockerFishwife said:

mjscarousal said:

cool Agree

I'd like that, too; but there is no way that'll be the case. The most we can realistically hope for is 1 bonus disc of outtakes/alternate takes, etc., and 1 live dvd. They're not going to be generous with the outtakes, though.. they paid a lot of money for that stuff, and they're gonna spread those songs across as many albums as they can. No posthumous album will have more than 10 songs on it. I doubt any album reissue will have more than 2-3 outtakes.

2 or 3 new songs is all I'm expecting, and if I get it, I'll be happy.

i know its not gonna happen, but it should.. and i dont undestand the way the estate is going about the posthumous album's. isnt the deal a 10 project deal?( correct me if im wrong, i am unsure) but i know there is WELL over 150-200 songs in the vault..then plus all the demos, and alternate takes etc.. they have so many oppurtunities to do some great things with the material.. i wish they would just do it right.

Reply #395 posted 04/13/12 2:22pm

aardvark15

dm3857 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I'd like that, too; but there is no way that'll be the case. The most we can realistically hope for is 1 bonus disc of outtakes/alternate takes, etc., and 1 live dvd. They're not going to be generous with the outtakes, though.. they paid a lot of money for that stuff, and they're gonna spread those songs across as many albums as they can. No posthumous album will have more than 10 songs on it. I doubt any album reissue will have more than 2-3 outtakes.

2 or 3 new songs is all I'm expecting, and if I get it, I'll be happy.

i know its not gonna happen, but it should.. and i dont undestand the way the estate is going about the posthumous album's. isnt the deal a 10 project deal?( correct me if im wrong, i am unsure) but i know there is WELL over 150-200 songs in the vault..then plus all the demos, and alternate takes etc.. they have so many oppurtunities to do some great things with the material.. i wish they would just do it right.

They're never going to do it right simply because they don't care about the fans or Michael. They care about the money and if they can sell thousands by doing little work, that's a bonus for them

Reply #396 posted 04/13/12 9:46pm

Swa

As I go back over some This Is It stuff - I am reminded of how MJ was planning a new album. His approach was to release a new song every 1-2 months during the tour's 9 month schedule. And just release single after single until finally there was 10 tracks at which point he would package them as an album.

It was his way of controlling digital downloads, and recognising the shift in the way people buy tracks over albums these days.

I would have loved to see him do this. IT would have reminded people how innovative he still was.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #397 posted 04/13/12 11:16pm

Timmy84

Swa said:

As I go back over some This Is It stuff - I am reminded of how MJ was planning a new album. His approach was to release a new song every 1-2 months during the tour's 9 month schedule. And just release single after single until finally there was 10 tracks at which point he would package them as an album.

It was his way of controlling digital downloads, and recognising the shift in the way people buy tracks over albums these days.

I would have loved to see him do this. IT would have reminded people how innovative he still was.

I read he was doing a new album but had forgotten all about this. At first I didn't understand that concept but now looking back that would've been cool. Ugh. neutral

Reply #398 posted 04/14/12 6:07am

alphastreet

' rSwa said:

As I go back over some This Is It stuff - I am reminded of how MJ was planning a new album. His approach was to release a new song every 1-2 months during the tour's 9 month schedule. And just release single after single until finally there was 10 tracks at which point he would package them as an album.

It was his way of controlling digital downloads, and recognising the shift in the way people buy tracks over albums these days.

I would have loved to see him do this. IT would have reminded people how innovative he still was.

Where did you hear that? I can't remember...

Reply #399 posted 04/14/12 8:49am

dm3857

Swa said:

As I go back over some This Is It stuff - I am reminded of how MJ was planning a new album. His approach was to release a new song every 1-2 months during the tour's 9 month schedule. And just release single after single until finally there was 10 tracks at which point he would package them as an album.

It was his way of controlling digital downloads, and recognising the shift in the way people buy tracks over albums these days.

I would have loved to see him do this. IT would have reminded people how innovative he still was.

i wish he would have gotten to do it.. he wanted it so bad, its the reason he couldnt sleep.

Wasnt "best of joy" one of the tracks he recorded in 09 (i ask because i heard somewhere it dates back to dangerous era) i wonder how many tracks he recorded between that time.

Reply #400 posted 04/14/12 10:17am

alphastreet

Why did he have to fuck around with Dr. Murray and trust more assholes in his life? Ugh, he should be here

Reply #401 posted 04/14/12 11:47am

dm3857

alphastreet said:

Why did he have to fuck around with Dr. Murray and trust more assholes in his life? Ugh, he should be here

i know sad why couldnt people just leave him alone! The media played just as big a roll as conrad did. i get so upset when i start thinking about it. He should Still be here with us.

Reply #402 posted 04/14/12 3:21pm

Swa

alphastreet said:

' rSwa said:

As I go back over some This Is It stuff - I am reminded of how MJ was planning a new album. His approach was to release a new song every 1-2 months during the tour's 9 month schedule. And just release single after single until finally there was 10 tracks at which point he would package them as an album.

It was his way of controlling digital downloads, and recognising the shift in the way people buy tracks over albums these days.

I would have loved to see him do this. IT would have reminded people how innovative he still was.

Where did you hear that? I can't remember...

I have read in a few places now - once from either Kenny or Randy back in 2009, once in a discussion with Sugarfoot during his drum clinic tour, Chucky mentioned it in an interview, and I also recall one of his producers either Freeze or Riley or maybe Will.i.am mentioning it recently.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #403 posted 04/14/12 3:25pm

Swa

dm3857 said:

alphastreet said:

Why did he have to fuck around with Dr. Murray and trust more assholes in his life? Ugh, he should be here

i know sad why couldnt people just leave him alone! The media played just as big a roll as conrad did. i get so upset when i start thinking about it. He should Still be here with us.

I think the first person to suggest Propofol to him as a sleeping aid is also as much to blame for making this the norm for him. Dr Murray compounded things to the nth degree with his incompetence but sadly if Michael hadn't died that morning, then he might still have been using it as a solution to his chronic insomnia to this day.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #404 posted 04/14/12 3:52pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Swa said:

dm3857 said:

i know sad why couldnt people just leave him alone! The media played just as big a roll as conrad did. i get so upset when i start thinking about it. He should Still be here with us.

I think the first person to suggest Propofol to him as a sleeping aid is also as much to blame for making this the norm for him. Dr Murray compounded things to the nth degree with his incompetence but sadly if Michael hadn't died that morning, then he might still have been using it as a solution to his chronic insomnia to this day.

Swa, as a student pharmacist, i will tell you Dr. Murray should have immediately said NO to Michael's request for Propofol. Not "I wouldn't suggest it". Lawd hammercy..

I wanted whoever supplied him with the drug come be on trial too, considering cardiologists aren't supposed to have vials upon vials of Propofol Emulsion For Injection on hand. They should only be in the hands of hospital clinical pharmacists or OR nurses. NEVER THE DOCTOR.

Propofol Emulsion for Injection has only two FDA approved clinical uses. As an anesthetic for surgery and as a pain reliever in terminally-ill patients (can be given continually through an IV drip at a low enough dose that the patient is conscious but sedated). Insomnia is no where listed as a disorder to treat using Propofol.

Michael would still be here with us if he went to the right people to treat his insomnia. He unfortunately trusted his life to an incompetent who cared for nothing and no one except a paycheque and disposable female aquaintances. disbelief The whole thing's a mess and I'm personally very much ashamed, as I too am in health professions.

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #405 posted 04/14/12 4:28pm

LittleBLUECorvette

Anything about this song? Sounds very MJ-like, the vocals.

Did she write it for Mike.

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #406 posted 04/14/12 8:57pm

alphastreet

I feel like a very selfish fan right now, but I'm fucking mad at michael for trusting these stupid doctors too, even though we're supposed to trust them anyways. I feel like he abandoned us and it hurts like hell sad sad I want to hate him so much for how much pain I'm still in, it's really hitting me tonight. I'm sorry, my fucking hormones...... I'm making no sense and I know it's not his fault. I've seen what ill advice on meds does to people too, even people I personally know so maybe that's why I"m acting like this

And I thought I was fine now, but I put him on the other day and just lost it too. I can't admit how he went still that's why I get like that.

[Edited 4/14/12 20:58pm]

Reply #407 posted 04/14/12 9:57pm

aardvark15

alphastreet said:

I feel like a very selfish fan right now, but I'm fucking mad at michael for trusting these stupid doctors too, even though we're supposed to trust them anyways. I feel like he abandoned us and it hurts like hell sad sad I want to hate him so much for how much pain I'm still in, it's really hitting me tonight. I'm sorry, my fucking hormones...... I'm making no sense and I know it's not his fault. I've seen what ill advice on meds does to people too, even people I personally know so maybe that's why I"m acting like this

And I thought I was fine now, but I put him on the other day and just lost it too. I can't admit how he went still that's why I get like that.

[Edited 4/14/12 20:58pm]

It's okay. I felt like this a while ago. sad I had a cry fest after hearing Someone In The Dark in fact I'm getting teary-eyed now sad He was such a talent. But he'll live through the fanbase he cherished so dearly comfort

Reply #408 posted 04/14/12 10:02pm

alphastreet

aardvark15 said:

alphastreet said:

I feel like a very selfish fan right now, but I'm fucking mad at michael for trusting these stupid doctors too, even though we're supposed to trust them anyways. I feel like he abandoned us and it hurts like hell sad sad I want to hate him so much for how much pain I'm still in, it's really hitting me tonight. I'm sorry, my fucking hormones...... I'm making no sense and I know it's not his fault. I've seen what ill advice on meds does to people too, even people I personally know so maybe that's why I"m acting like this

And I thought I was fine now, but I put him on the other day and just lost it too. I can't admit how he went still that's why I get like that.

[Edited 4/14/12 20:58pm]

It's okay. I felt like this a while ago. sad I had a cry fest after hearing Someone In The Dark in fact I'm getting teary-eyed now sad He was such a talent. But he'll live through the fanbase he cherished so dearly comfort

I'm a monster when someone deeply hurts me, that I start thinking and believing things I don't, and this has gotten me in trouble so many times in real life. It's like I'm fighting with myself when it comes to dealing with the pain over losing michael when I didn't even know him personally though I truly believed we were so alike and in a lot of ways we were though I know I'm my own self too. This is not just about losing him and still having his music, to me, he took something else with him, because I allowed myself to get addicted to him even more than before when I was running away from my own pain and feelings of abandonment that once he was gone, that all came back on top of him being gone and getting so close to seeing him though how he inspired me itself was special. Feeling the love is too painful to revisit though it's still there. I'm glad I don't think of him 24 7 like before like I couldn't turn it off, but I did before he died and after for a long time, he's that addictive and loving him hurts like hell, even before death it hurt so much to love him and defend him that it was affecting me emotionally and I had to distance myself and enjoy life. I'm so stupid...

[Edited 4/14/12 22:03pm]

Reply #409 posted 04/15/12 4:27am

Swa

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Swa said:

I think the first person to suggest Propofol to him as a sleeping aid is also as much to blame for making this the norm for him. Dr Murray compounded things to the nth degree with his incompetence but sadly if Michael hadn't died that morning, then he might still have been using it as a solution to his chronic insomnia to this day.

Swa, as a student pharmacist, i will tell you Dr. Murray should have immediately said NO to Michael's request for Propofol. Not "I wouldn't suggest it". Lawd hammercy..

I wanted whoever supplied him with the drug come be on trial too, considering cardiologists aren't supposed to have vials upon vials of Propofol Emulsion For Injection on hand. They should only be in the hands of hospital clinical pharmacists or OR nurses. NEVER THE DOCTOR.

Propofol Emulsion for Injection has only two FDA approved clinical uses. As an anesthetic for surgery and as a pain reliever in terminally-ill patients (can be given continually through an IV drip at a low enough dose that the patient is conscious but sedated). Insomnia is no where listed as a disorder to treat using Propofol.

Michael would still be here with us if he went to the right people to treat his insomnia. He unfortunately trusted his life to an incompetent who cared for nothing and no one except a paycheque and disposable female aquaintances. disbelief The whole thing's a mess and I'm personally very much ashamed, as I too am in health professions.

Eyes I totally agree with you. My point was sadly that Michael had been doing this for a few tours (since HiStory) and who knows inbetween.

My point was that sadly whoever introduced MJ to propofol also has blood on their hands too. Yes, Murray should have said No and he is ultimately responsible, but sadly Michael felt this was the only way to get the sleep he so craved. I just wish when he was first introduced to it, someone somewhere would have so - no way this is wrong. Let's do something else.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #410 posted 04/15/12 2:09pm

mjscarousal

hug @ everyone in this thread. You are not alone.

Im not sure how Dr. Murray became a licensed doctor. The fact that he did not even know how to do CPR properly eek Like what the hell was he doing with a license?eek eek eek eek eek Then his dumbass would have the NERVE to insist Michael injected PROPOFOL on his own when he left the room... DUMBASS eek How could he possibly do that when his already knocked out and just with how it was wired on him that was not realistic reasoning at all disbelief

It makes me sick just thinking about the whole ordeal and passing. Im just glad Michael is in a better place. His at peace. Dammit I love you Michael sad

Reply #411 posted 04/15/12 2:44pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

mjscarousal said:

hug @ everyone in this thread. You are not alone.

Im not sure how Dr. Murray became a licensed doctor. The fact that he did not even know how to do CPR properly eek Like what the hell was he doing with a license?eek eek eek eek eek Then his dumbass would have the NERVE to insist Michael injected PROPOFOL on his own when he left the room... DUMBASS eek How could he possibly do that when his already knocked out and just with how it was wired on him that was not realistic reasoning at all disbelief

It makes me sick just thinking about the whole ordeal and passing. Im just glad Michael is in a better place. His at peace. Dammit I love you Michael sad

I love him too boo...hug

And I miss him everyday. Always on my mind..cry

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #412 posted 04/15/12 5:13pm

dm3857

i just want all of you to know that my heart goes out to all of you.. and that you are not alone, and that i love yall very much.

im gonna try to spread some light on the thread. if any of you havent checked out this persons youtube account, you should give it a look. they have got some really good quality footage of rare bad tours and Dangerous tour.

Reply #413 posted 04/15/12 6:44pm

NaughtyKitty

dm3857 said:

i just want all of you to know that my heart goes out to all of you.. and that you are not alone, and that i love yall very much.

im gonna try to spread some light on the thread. if any of you havent checked out this persons youtube account, you should give it a look. they have got some really good quality footage of rare bad tours and Dangerous tour.

Arrrrgggg! This Lounis person whoever they are need to release all the Bad tour footage they have. Tired of them teasing us with clips with their logo in the middle! mad But thanks for posting this, it was nice wink

Reply #414 posted 04/15/12 6:54pm

ViintageJunkiie

dm3857 said:

Swa said:

As I go back over some This Is It stuff - I am reminded of how MJ was planning a new album. His approach was to release a new song every 1-2 months during the tour's 9 month schedule. And just release single after single until finally there was 10 tracks at which point he would package them as an album.

It was his way of controlling digital downloads, and recognising the shift in the way people buy tracks over albums these days.

I would have loved to see him do this. IT would have reminded people how innovative he still was.

i wish he would have gotten to do it.. he wanted it so bad, its the reason he couldnt sleep.

Wasnt "best of joy" one of the tracks he recorded in 09 (i ask because i heard somewhere it dates back to dangerous era) i wonder how many tracks he recorded between that time.

Yeah, "Best of Joy" is a Dangerous outtake. It was on the list of records recorded for Dangerous that Michael wrote back in 90.

Reply #415 posted 04/15/12 8:55pm

Vanilli

ViintageJunkiie said:

dm3857 said:

i wish he would have gotten to do it.. he wanted it so bad, its the reason he couldnt sleep.

Wasnt "best of joy" one of the tracks he recorded in 09 (i ask because i heard somewhere it dates back to dangerous era) i wonder how many tracks he recorded between that time.

Yeah, "Best of Joy" is a Dangerous outtake. It was on the list of records recorded for Dangerous that Michael wrote back in 90.

According to John Branca, "Best Of Joy" was a new Michael Jackson recording, and that version on MICHAEL is (with some production added after) the demo Michael was planning to take to London and finish there.

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Reply #416 posted 04/15/12 9:22pm

ViintageJunkiie

Vanilli said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Yeah, "Best of Joy" is a Dangerous outtake. It was on the list of records recorded for Dangerous that Michael wrote back in 90.

According to John Branca, "Best Of Joy" was a new Michael Jackson recording, and that version on MICHAEL is (with some production added after) the demo Michael was planning to take to London and finish there.

According to John, it was a "new" record for us because we haven't heard it. "Best of Joy" along with "Monkey Business" "Serious Effect" "Who Is It" and a couple others were handwritten by Michael on a piece of paper back in 1990 during the Dangerous session.

Reply #417 posted 04/15/12 10:51pm

alphastreet

You just had to post a Bad clip sad I want to get happy and I eventually may if I put it on, but right now I feel like crying or just breaking something and screaming.

Fuck. Him.

I deserve to be happier.

I know the Murray crap but it doesn't run through my head like I expected, and I got numb during that trial though it was disturbing stuff. It just didn't process who it was about at all, like that doctor doesn't exist and didn't hurt this person, or it's some other tv show....

[Edited 4/15/12 22:59pm]

Reply #418 posted 04/15/12 11:56pm

Timmy84

ViintageJunkiie said:

Vanilli said:

According to John Branca, "Best Of Joy" was a new Michael Jackson recording, and that version on MICHAEL is (with some production added after) the demo Michael was planning to take to London and finish there.

According to John, it was a "new" record for us because we haven't heard it. "Best of Joy" along with "Monkey Business" "Serious Effect" "Who Is It" and a couple others were handwritten by Michael on a piece of paper back in 1990 during the Dangerous session.

hmmm Now that you say it, yeah it definitely was an older recording. Because even the way the melody is shaped sounded like something Michael would've done in 1990, '91... though parts of it reminds me of a Bee Gees song (especially the bridge). I wonder if Michael ever recorded anything besides "Hold My Hand". Makes you wonder if he was able to finish any recording session between 2007 and 2009.

Reply #419 posted 04/16/12 1:40am

ViintageJunkiie

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

According to John, it was a "new" record for us because we haven't heard it. "Best of Joy" along with "Monkey Business" "Serious Effect" "Who Is It" and a couple others were handwritten by Michael on a piece of paper back in 1990 during the Dangerous session.

hmmm Now that you say it, yeah it definitely was an older recording. Because even the way the melody is shaped sounded like something Michael would've done in 1990, '91... though parts of it reminds me of a Bee Gees song (especially the bridge). I wonder if Michael ever recorded anything besides "Hold My Hand". Makes you wonder if he was able to finish any recording session between 2007 and 2009.

Don't get me wrong, it's possible that it COULD be a later recording of the record, but the actual song dates back to 1990. I personally think it's the original 1990 recording with updated production. John said "Best of Joy" was new just like management tried to convince us that "For All Time" was the 1982 Thriller outtake version and not the 1990-91 version.

Reply #420 posted 04/16/12 1:47am

ViintageJunkiie

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

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Reply #421 posted 04/16/12 1:54am

Timmy84

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/dfwwp3.jpg[/img:$uid]

I don't get that either. Most of Michael's nearly finished songs were between 1979-2003.

Reply #422 posted 04/16/12 1:59am

ViintageJunkiie

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

I don't get that either. Most of Michael's nearly finished songs were between 1979-2003.

I don't even think he completed very many records after 2004. Hell, I don't even think he finished any of the Will.i.am tracks. I think he (at most) finished a few background vocals

Reply #423 posted 04/16/12 2:21am

Timmy84

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't get that either. Most of Michael's nearly finished songs were between 1979-2003.

I don't even think he completed very many records after 2004. Hell, I don't even think he finished any of the Will.i.am tracks. I think he (at most) finished a few background vocals

Right. I doubt he really finished anything either. For some reason Michael probably was weary of doing another album anyway.

Reply #424 posted 04/16/12 4:48am

dm3857

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Reply #425 posted 04/16/12 7:24am

mjscarousal

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Well Said

Reply #426 posted 04/16/12 10:53am

alphastreet

Best of Joy always made me think of the Beegees, particularly How Deep Is Your Love

Reply #427 posted 04/16/12 11:06am

Timmy84

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

The song was probably completed after his death. Least the music was.

Reply #428 posted 04/16/12 1:25pm

aardvark15

I LOVE Best Of Joy. might possibly be n my top 10 favorite Michael songs, and if not, definetly top 20.

Reply #429 posted 04/16/12 2:10pm

dm3857

alphastreet said:

Best of Joy always made me think of the Beegees, particularly How Deep Is Your Love

me too.. especially the overdubs. i absolutly love best of joy. its deffinatilly in my top 10.

Reply #430 posted 04/16/12 3:54pm

Swa

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Exactly.

MJ would work on something, shelve it and revisit, rework and rerecord. There's nothing that suggests this wasn't the case with BOJ. It's likely MJ pulled it out, dusted it off and started to work on it again prior to his death. How much, how knows. I guess until we hear a Dangerous era version to compare we'll never be 100%.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #431 posted 04/16/12 4:21pm

Swa

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/dfwwp3.jpg[/img:$uid]

Two things that stand out for me whenever I see this sheet.

1. Ghost = get lyrics from writer. I thought MJ was the writer. Maybe there was a co-writer who's work either wasn't credited or who's lyrics didn't make the cut.

2. MA & MJ Duet - I assume this was the failed ITC duet with MAdonna or is this something else.

And i was always curious to hear what the Dangerous era TDCAU track sounded like. I know it was completely re-recorded for HiStory.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #432 posted 04/16/12 10:19pm

ViintageJunkiie

Swa said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here is the sheet Michael used during the Dangerous session. Notice "Best of Joy" is the first song title along with "Remember the Time" "Who Is It" "Black or White" and other familiar records. Not sure why John said the song is new but it definitely has some age on it.

[img:$uid]http://i42.tinypic.com/dfwwp3.jpg[/img:$uid]

Two things that stand out for me whenever I see this sheet.

1. Ghost = get lyrics from writer. I thought MJ was the writer. Maybe there was a co-writer who's work either wasn't credited or who's lyrics didn't make the cut.

2. MA & MJ Duet - I assume this was the failed ITC duet with MAdonna or is this something else.

And i was always curious to hear what the Dangerous era TDCAU track sounded like. I know it was completely re-recorded for HiStory.

1. It's possible another writer was involved in the early version of the record but was scrapped and re-worked by MJ alone.

2. I was thinking the same thing.

3. If I remember correctly, Rob (who worked with MJ during the session) mentioned that TDCAU was a click track and MJ worked on it very little during Dangerous era. I do think he re-recorded the whole song too

Reply #433 posted 04/17/12 5:01am

alphastreet

The "writer" is John Jay Smith wink lol didn't you know?

Jokes aside, maybe somebody wrote dummy lyrics for him, and he wrote a whole new set of them. Or that could explain why Is It Scary and Ghosts have similar lyrics, that was always a mystery to me.

Reply #434 posted 04/17/12 12:34pm

bboy87

SIEDAH GARRETT ‏ @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to my interview today with @SpikeLee for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release of MJ's Bad Album!

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #435 posted 04/17/12 12:40pm

ViintageJunkiie

bboy87 said:

SIEDAH GARRETT ‏ @SIEDAHGARRETT
Looking forward to my interview today with @SpikeLee for a documentary about the 25th anniversary re-release of MJ's Bad Album!

SIEDAH! *Michael Jackson voice*

Bad 25 baby! Who's bad?! Who's bad?! Who's baaad?! Who's bad?! WHOOO WHOOO! HEEE HEEE! HEEE HEEEE HEE!

Reply #436 posted 04/17/12 2:05pm

bboy87

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

SIEDAH! *Michael Jackson voice*

Bad 25 baby! Who's bad?! Who's bad?! Who's baaad?! Who's bad?! WHOOO WHOOO! HEEE HEEE! HEEE HEEEE HEE!

Steve Stevens was also interviewed for the documentary

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #437 posted 04/17/12 2:08pm

bboy87

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

All my life I've been asked such questions
as who I am and what I do
when I tell them, they are happy
'cause I am rich, it gets me through
If I were a poor boy, would they accept me
am I rich, what's it to you?
and what's your reason for asking?
is my life one big interview?

What's your life? what you do?
I do this, how 'bout you?
what's your goal in life 'cause
I want tips to get through
are you rich? are you poor?

are you bold? are you sure
will you bend, do you break
are you strong, to endure?
what's your life?

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #438 posted 04/17/12 2:57pm

seeingvoices12

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

All my life I've been asked such questions
as who I am and what I do
when I tell them, they are happy
'cause I am rich, it gets me through
If I were a poor boy, would they accept me
am I rich, what's it to you?
and what's your reason for asking?
is my life one big interview?

What's your life? what you do?
I do this, how 'bout you?
what's your goal in life 'cause
I want tips to get through
are you rich? are you poor?

are you bold? are you sure
will you bend, do you break
are you strong, to endure?
what's your life?

Beautiful , really Beautiful !

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
Reply #439 posted 04/17/12 3:01pm

seeingvoices12

Did I miss something?

Are they going to re-release the bad album?

there must be some outtakes then? right?

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
Reply #440 posted 04/17/12 4:47pm

dm3857

does anyone remember hearing about Michael recording alot of songs from the beatles music catalog, or something like that? i dont remember when or where i heard it, its been a while.. does anyone know anything about this? was it just rumour?

Reply #441 posted 04/17/12 4:49pm

dm3857

seeingvoices12 said:

Did I miss something?

Are they going to re-release the bad album?

there must be some outtakes then? right?

Yes, they are rereleasing Bad in honor of the 25th anniversary of the albums release.

hopefully there will be outtakes,demos,and remixes..

Possibly A Concert dvd of The Bad tour live at Webley Stadium.

and a documentary about the album.

Reply #442 posted 04/17/12 5:10pm

Swa

dm3857 said:

does anyone remember hearing about Michael recording alot of songs from the beatles music catalog, or something like that? i dont remember when or where i heard it, its been a while.. does anyone know anything about this? was it just rumour?

I'm sure Bboy will give us a full rundown - but around the Decade release there was talk of a few more Beatles covers being recorded.

Obviously we know he did "Come Together" around the Bad era.

"Strawberry Fields Forever" was also touted to have been recorded.

I think there was one or two more.

I know the one song he didn't record was "Penny Lane" as this is the only Beatles song in the ATV catalogue that was not sold as part of the deal. Robert Holmes a Court kept that song as a gift to his daughter, and made it a condition of the sale.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #443 posted 04/17/12 5:23pm

Dren5

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

All my life I've been asked such questions
as who I am and what I do
when I tell them, they are happy
'cause I am rich, it gets me through
If I were a poor boy, would they accept me
am I rich, what's it to you?
and what's your reason for asking?
is my life one big interview?

What's your life? what you do?
I do this, how 'bout you?
what's your goal in life 'cause
I want tips to get through
are you rich? are you poor?

are you bold? are you sure
will you bend, do you break
are you strong, to endure?
what's your life?

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

Reply #444 posted 04/17/12 5:45pm

alphastreet

oo

Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I felt bad for him the whole time, but other times I got jaded too and knew that he used the media when it was convenient and to keep his name out there and fuck around with people's minds lol he was a silent drama queen/instigator and sometimes I really didn't get it, and other times I laughed and came up with ideas of what he should do or wear next time for attention

Reply #445 posted 04/17/12 6:15pm

dm3857

alphastreet said:

oo

Dren5 said:

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I felt bad for him the whole time, but other times I got jaded too and knew that he used the media when it was convenient and to keep his name out there and fuck around with people's minds lol he was a silent drama queen/instigator and sometimes I really didn't get it, and other times I laughed and came up with ideas of what he should do or wear next time for attention

Michael was a Performance Artist, his whole life was a performance piece. Michael used the media to an extent and provoked stories. Stories like The hyberbaric chamber and things like that. There was a sence of Mystery behind what he did..He LOVED the controversy.

BUT then the media started talking badly about things very dear to him... started saying he was an "unfit father" "the children arent his" "Child Molestation" these are the things that destroyed michael heart..

Reply #446 posted 04/17/12 7:57pm

bboy87

Dren5 said:

bboy87 said:

Lyrics to the unreleased track "What's Your Life?"

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I agree with you but this particular song isn't about the press invading his space or another "leave me alone" song, it's about everybody people and people surrounding him. "If I wasn't Michael Jackson, would you treat me the same way you do the average joe"

Jermaine talked about what brought the song on: Michael was remodeling Hayvenhurst and decided to buy some llamas. He and Jermaine found a seller and went to meet up with the guy who was very rude and hostile towards them. He was asking why do they want them and how could they afford them. He wanted to see identification. When he looked at the IDs and started to put 2 and 2 together, he asked "Are you those Jackson boys?" and changed his attitude and was eager. Michael rebuffed him, told the guy he was an ass and had no interest in doing business. They got in the car and left.

While driving, Michael told Jermaine to take him to Tito's house. The three brothers went into Tito's home studio and came up with the song

I'd put it in the category as That's What You Get For Being Polite, Destiny, and Things I Do For You before the Leave Me Alone/Privacy/Scream/Why You Wanna Trip On Me ship IMO

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #447 posted 04/17/12 8:37pm

mjscarousal

Swa said:

dm3857 said:

it could also be possible that michael was reworking Best of Joy, much like Prince and Extralovable.

i think we have to take into consideration what a "completed" song is to michael though..He was a Perfectionist, and things like "i am a loser" "Mind is the Magic" etc are not "completed" but they are finished.

Exactly.

MJ would work on something, shelve it and revisit, rework and rerecord. There's nothing that suggests this wasn't the case with BOJ. It's likely MJ pulled it out, dusted it off and started to work on it again prior to his death. How much, how knows. I guess until we hear a Dangerous era version to compare we'll never be 100%.

Yea Michael did that alot with his songs

Reply #448 posted 04/17/12 11:41pm

ViintageJunkiie

dm3857 said:

does anyone remember hearing about Michael recording alot of songs from the beatles music catalog, or something like that? i dont remember when or where i heard it, its been a while.. does anyone know anything about this? was it just rumour?

Michael only recorded 2 Beatles records (to our knowledge). Both recorded in 1985, which is "Come Together" and "Strawberry Fields Forever". Both were scheduled to appear on the "Decades" record but the album was scrapped and Dangerous was born.

Reply #449 posted 04/18/12 5:00am

midnightmover

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

Hello SoulAlive. Long time, no see. Don't worry, I'm just passing through for a minute, but I have to correct this b.s.

The decision to not release the Jermaine duet had nothing to do with the record company. The boss of the record company at the time was Walter Yetnikoff and in his autobiography and subsequent interviews he's revealed that it was Michael himself who stopped that single being released.

Michael didn't want Jermaine to get the inevitable boost of a number one single. The record company merely acted as a proxy for Michael. This was a pattern of behaviour that persisted throughout MJ's life - fuck someone up, but get someone else to do it while you plead helplessness.

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson
Reply #450 posted 04/18/12 5:04am

alphastreet

midnightmover said:

SoulAlive said:

Epic/CBS didn't want Jermaine to release "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" because they felt it would compete with the 'Victory' singles.This was just record company politics.Such a shame because "Tell Me..." would have went straight to Number One.I think it's stronger than anything on 'Victory'.

Hello SoulAlive. Long time, no see. Don't worry, I'm just passing through for a minute, but I have to correct this b.s.

The decision to not release the Jermaine duet had nothing to do with the record company. The boss of the record company at the time was Walter Yetnikoff and in his autobiography and subsequent interviews he's revealed that it was Michael himself who stopped that single being released.

Michael didn't want Jermaine to get the inevitable boost of a number one single. The record company merely acted as a proxy for Michael. This was a pattern of behaviour that persisted throughout MJ's life - fuck someone up, but get someone else to do it while you plead helplessness.

I wonder if that's why Jermaine started competing with MJ and got a big head, which ultimately led to Word To The Badd. Sorry but I don't believe that he didn't write it, he got called out for that shit on mjjcommunity!

And if Michael put a stop to it and has that pattern, I think this time he stopped it to prevent overexposure. He was already doing so many duets, and another one with a family member is overkill if you think about it, though it's a great song. I feel really ashamed admitting this though I know every MJ song and have a lot of singles including Jacksons ones, but I didn't know Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming until last year and felt like such a bad fan. I guess it was big on r&b and dance radio then. I did know Somebody's Watching Me for years though.

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Reply #451 posted 04/18/12 5:18am

midnightmover

alphastreet said:

midnightmover said:

Hello SoulAlive. Long time, no see. Don't worry, I'm just passing through for a minute, but I have to correct this b.s.

The decision to not release the Jermaine duet had nothing to do with the record company. The boss of the record company at the time was Walter Yetnikoff and in his autobiography and subsequent interviews he's revealed that it was Michael himself who stopped that single being released.

Michael didn't want Jermaine to get the inevitable boost of a number one single. The record company merely acted as a proxy for Michael. This was a pattern of behaviour that persisted throughout MJ's life - fuck someone up, but get someone else to do it while you plead helplessness.

I wonder if that's why Jermaine started competing with MJ and got a big head, which ultimately led to Word To The Badd. Sorry but I don't believe that he didn't write it, he got called out for that shit on mjjcommunity!

Yes, in Jermaine's interviews at the time he alluded to "a number of things" Michael had done to sabotage him, such as getting producers who Jermaine was scheduled to work with to cancel those sessions and come work with him instead.

It's quite likely Jermaine also found out what had really gone down with "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming". Of course Jermaine is deluded if he thinks any of that explains his lack of success relative to Mike but still, it's not very brotherly conduct.

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“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson
Reply #452 posted 04/18/12 5:53am

alphastreet

Paranoia is clearly in the family genes lol I didn't see him trying to halt Janet though I've heard rumors about him worried he's competing with her and nothing more, nor her bitching about him working with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. And who didn't want to work with Babyface and Teddy Riley around that time? Jermaine got him first anyways with 2300 Jackson Street and should have shut up lol plus his catalogue is good, Don't Take It Personal is one of his best of that time and so underrated, too bad he was insecure.

Reply #453 posted 04/18/12 10:10am

tangerine7

alphastreet said:

midnightmover said:

Hello SoulAlive. Long time, no see. Don't worry, I'm just passing through for a minute, but I have to correct this b.s.

The decision to not release the Jermaine duet had nothing to do with the record company. The boss of the record company at the time was Walter Yetnikoff and in his autobiography and subsequent interviews he's revealed that it was Michael himself who stopped that single being released.

Michael didn't want Jermaine to get the inevitable boost of a number one single. The record company merely acted as a proxy for Michael. This was a pattern of behaviour that persisted throughout MJ's life - fuck someone up, but get someone else to do it while you plead helplessness.

I wonder if that's why Jermaine started competing with MJ and got a big head, which ultimately led to Word To The Badd. Sorry but I don't believe that he didn't write it, he got called out for that shit on mjjcommunity!

And if Michael put a stop to it and has that pattern, I think this time he stopped it to prevent overexposure. He was already doing so many duets, and another one with a family member is overkill if you think about it, though it's a great song. I feel really ashamed admitting this though I know every MJ song and have a lot of singles including Jacksons ones, but I didn't know Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming until last year and felt like such a bad fan. I guess it was big on r&b and dance radio then. I did know Somebody's Watching Me for years though.

[Edited 4/18/12 5:10am]

I'm not sure what was the issue with the release of Jermaine & Michael's duet as I would have to research it. Although, I remember reading Wordd to the Badd was just being called out last year over at mjjc - And it was back in late 09/10 that I seen some members over there post about not knowing that Rockwell & MJ as well as "TMIND" was MJ on the songs. (not saying that has anything to do with you.) I just remember reading the threads there on the songs,and being somewhat surprized

I was 7 when Thriller came out so I remember those songs ( 'SWM' & TMIND') during the Thriller mania being played in the states on pop radio often.

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Reply #454 posted 04/18/12 10:55am

dag

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #455 posted 04/18/12 11:42am

alphastreet

I was 7 in 1990 and discovered it then and loved it. Dishy know he was on it though I knew some of his songs
Reply #456 posted 04/18/12 12:31pm

silverchild

EXCLUSIVE!


Move Over, Tupac—Michael Jackson Hologram Could "Absolutely" Go On Tour With His Brothers

Today 10:27 AM PDT by Marc Malkin




If the late Tupac Shakur could put on a show, so could Michael Jackson.

Yes, a hologram of the King of Pop may be going on tour…

The late music legend's brothers Jermaine, Jackie, Tito and Marlon just announced that they are joining together for Unity Tour 2012, a 27-city jaunt that kicks off June 18 in Louisville.

It marks the first time they've toured together since the Victory Tour in 1984.

"I just wish Michael was here with us, but I'm sure his spirit will be in the house," Jackie exclusively told me this morning.

READ: One Direction's Harry Styles, 18, Asked Out Former Bachelorette Jillian Harris, 32?! Yup!

And he may be with them afterall. Jackie said a Michael hologram could very well be part of a bigger tour they're planning for next year after they release a new album with their recently reunited record label Motown.

"It could have Michael—absolutely," he said. "Wouldn't that be wonderful? As a matter of fact, we had that idea two years ago for Michael's Cirque du Soleil show."

The brothers are still working on the set list for Unity. "There are so many songs," Jackie said. "That's the hardest part because we want to include all the favorites and not leave anything out. We're going to sing some of Michael's stuff, too. We're going to honor him on the stage. He'd want us to do our thing to the best of our ability."

Now we want to hear from you. Do you want to see a hologram Michael Jackson performance? Let us know in the comments below.

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Read more: http://www.eonline.com/news/marc_malkin/move_over_tupacmdashmichael_jackson/309702#ixzz1sQEJCuAv

[Edited 4/18/12 12:32pm]
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Reply #457 posted 04/18/12 12:52pm

Timmy84

silverchild said:

EXCLUSIVE! Move Over, Tupac—Michael Jackson Hologram Could "Absolutely" Go On Tour With His Brothers Today 10:27 AM PDT by Marc Malkin [img:$uid]http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20100204/300.jackson.michael.lc.020410.jpg[/img:$uid] If the late Tupac Shakur could put on a show, so could Michael Jackson. Yes, a hologram of the King of Pop may be going on tour… The late music legend's brothers Jermaine, Jackie, Tito and Marlon just announced that they are joining together for Unity Tour 2012, a 27-city jaunt that kicks off June 18 in Louisville. It marks the first time they've toured together since the Victory Tour in 1984. "I just wish Michael was here with us, but I'm sure his spirit will be in the house," Jackie exclusively told me this morning. READ: One Direction's Harry Styles, 18, Asked Out Former Bachelorette Jillian Harris, 32?! Yup! And he may be with them afterall. Jackie said a Michael hologram could very well be part of a bigger tour they're planning for next year after they release a new album with their recently reunited record label Motown. "It could have Michael—absolutely," he said. "Wouldn't that be wonderful? As a matter of fact, we had that idea two years ago for Michael's Cirque du Soleil show." The brothers are still working on the set list for Unity. "There are so many songs," Jackie said. "That's the hardest part because we want to include all the favorites and not leave anything out. We're going to sing some of Michael's stuff, too. We're going to honor him on the stage. He'd want us to do our thing to the best of our ability." Now we want to hear from you. Do you want to see a hologram Michael Jackson performance? Let us know in the comments below. . Read more: http://www.eonline.com/ne...z1sQEJCuAv
[Edited 4/18/12 12:32pm]

I knew it.

Reply #458 posted 04/18/12 3:09pm

mjscarousal

I felt this coming as well.... There are alot of cons and pros to this...more so cons I think.

Reply #459 posted 04/18/12 3:38pm

Swa

The Cirque show has a moment like the Tupac one but not to the same extent - but there is a nod in this direction.

Whilst it's great for one moment - I think the reality of if you went to a show and the hole thing was a hologram MJ it would be WOW for a song then really sad and depressing for the rest of it. Just a reminder that he isn't there.

And let's not forget that there was rumour of a Hologram MJ for This Is It tour by the UK press.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #460 posted 04/18/12 4:09pm

alphastreet

OMG I want to go if the hologram is there, but I think I would cry so much, I was in tears at Cirque Du Soilel

Reply #461 posted 04/18/12 5:34pm

dm3857

if there is a hologram mj, im in!

Reply #462 posted 04/18/12 7:16pm

Emancipation89

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo588zbf2-Y[youtube]

I honestly think this will be 100 times better than watching an impersonator, and I also think this actually goes along with what MJ wished for when he was alive..he wanted to live forever. But if this were to happen I'd want them to do a actual "MJ concert" with the right kind of band arrangement, not a circus or a 5 second hologram appearance in Jacksons show type of thing...It'd be kinda eerie and emotional to see holographic MJ saying "I love u more!" to the fans though =(

Reply #463 posted 04/18/12 10:11pm

LittleBLUECorvette

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

As much as Michael clearly loved fame and courted the press, those lyrics just seem inherently hypocritical to me.

Then again that's nothing new - he bitched about the media for most of his career while at the same time doing everything in his power to get them to focus on him as much as humanly possible.

And what did he expect from...an interview. An interview is when they ask questions...and they'll usually be ABOUT you, if you're a pop artist. Especially one who went out of his way to be as controversial as possible.

Been an MJ fan all my life but there's a lot of things, like the above quote, that MJ would say and do that would send me into an extended eye-rolling session.

I agree with you but this particular song isn't about the press invading his space or another "leave me alone" song, it's about everybody people and people surrounding him. "If I wasn't Michael Jackson, would you treat me the same way you do the average joe"

Jermaine talked about what brought the song on: Michael was remodeling Hayvenhurst and decided to buy some llamas. He and Jermaine found a seller and went to meet up with the guy who was very rude and hostile towards them. He was asking why do they want them and how could they afford them. He wanted to see identification. When he looked at the IDs and started to put 2 and 2 together, he asked "Are you those Jackson boys?" and changed his attitude and was eager. Michael rebuffed him, told the guy he was an ass and had no interest in doing business. They got in the car and left.

While driving, Michael told Jermaine to take him to Tito's house. The three brothers went into Tito's home studio and came up with the song

I'd put it in the category as That's What You Get For Being Polite, Destiny, and Things I Do For You before the Leave Me Alone/Privacy/Scream/Why You Wanna Trip On Me ship IMO

Cool. This was doe in 75 right?

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
Reply #464 posted 04/19/12 1:32am

Swa

- Upgraded Coachella Lineup of the Day

I love that MJ gets top billing.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #465 posted 04/19/12 10:01am

alphastreet

I miss him so much :*(

Reply #466 posted 04/19/12 10:25am

mjscarousal

alphastreet said:

I miss him so much :*(

Yea same sad

Reply #467 posted 04/19/12 10:28am

alphastreet

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I miss him so much :*(

Yea same sad

To the point where I'm being a bitch when I see his face sad I know this isn't healthy, but it's easier than crying though I start to and then freeze up.

I hate myself for being a fan if it's going to hurt this much

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Reply #468 posted 04/19/12 11:00am

mjscarousal

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea same sad

To the point where I'm being a bitch when I see his face sad I know this isn't healthy, but it's easier than crying though I start to and then freeze up.

I hate myself for being a fan if it's going to hurt this much

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Awww hug

Just know you are not alone...

Reply #469 posted 04/19/12 11:22am

alphastreet

*sings Liza Minelli style* I am here with youuuuu

Reply #470 posted 04/19/12 11:45am

NaughtyKitty

"Thriller" Co-Star Heads to Jury Trial with Michael Jackson's Estate

  • Photo: PRWeb / AL
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Since co-starring alongside Michael Jackson in the immensely popular "Thriller" video, Ola Ray has fought an uphill battle to collect royalties that she alleges have been unpaid. Despite heading to trial with Jackson's estate, Ray insists she maintains only love and respect for the late pop star. “Ms. Ray simply wants Jackson’s estate to honor the terms of her employment agreement so that she may move on with her life,” asserts Jose A. Trejo of Trejo Law Corporation, her entertainment attorney in the matter.

Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) April 19, 2012

After nearly 30 years of royalty struggles, Ola Ray, the woman who famously appeared alongside Michael Jackson in the immensely popular "Thriller" music video, finally heads to a jury trial with the Jackson estate on April 30, 2012 alleging breach of contract (Case No. SC102953).

Since co-starring alongside Michael Jackson in "Thriller," which many would call the most revered music video of all time, the former Playboy Playmate has fought an uphill battle to collect royalties that she claims have not been paid over the past decades. After finally going the distance with her entertainment lawyer, Ray's long ordeal is coming to a close.

Ray, 51, was just 23-years-old when she appeared alongside Jackson in "Thriller" and frightened children worldwide with her piercing scream. Since its release in 1983, the video has enjoyed countless airings and financial success that has far exceeded any video in music history. Its signature “zombie dance” has been emulated worldwide and the "Thiller jacket" that Jackson wore in the video is one of the most popular articles of clothing ever worn. The short film has even garnered federal recognition, having recently been inducted for preservation in the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress.

According to court documents, Ray’s original employment contract for "Thriller" allegedly entitles her to a specified percentage of the revenue derived from the video and related merchandise; however, even though the short film has reportedly made millions, Ray asserts the Jackson estate has not paid her regular royalties since the 1980s.

Despite her ongoing litigation battles with the Jackson estate, Ray claims she has never held any ill feelings towards the late pop star personally.

“I have always loved Michael Jackson and thank him for the opportunity of a lifetime to be part of such an iconic piece of music history,” states Ray. “Michael would always re-release ‘Thriller’ in different packages so that I would get my royalties. He really did his personal best to help me while he was alive. Unfortunately, the people handling his estate have not been acting according to his wishes since his death.”

Ray was a huge fan of Jackson even before landing the role in "Thriller." As the June 1980 Playboy Playmate, her centerfold listed the King of Pop as one of her favorite entertainers. Understandably, Ray was on cloud nine when she beat hundreds for the opportunity to star alongside her idol. She claims to have nothing but fond memories and admiration for MJ.

“Michael was one of the sweetest people I’ve ever met,” recalls Ray. “We would run around the set and play like kids. When he passed away, I was devastated. I had lost a friend.”

In the digital age, primarily since Jackson’s passing in 2009, the pop star’s estate has allegedly profited greatly from the exploitation of "Thriller." For example, the video has been one of the best-selling music videos in iTunes history. Ray continues to be adamant that she has not received a cent from any revenue related to "Thriller" since 1999.

Trejo Law Corporation, a Beverly Hills law firm specializing in entertainment law, recently revealed its representation of Ola Ray and the interesting details of her case. “Ms. Ray simply wants Jackson’s estate to honor the terms of her employment agreement so that she may move on with her life,” asserts Jose A. Trejo, the entertainment attorney representing Ray in the current matter. “The estate cannot continue to exploit ‘Thriller’ and neglect to pay Ms. Ray the royalties to which she is contractually entitled.”

After decades of legal struggles with Jackson and his estate, Ray seems optimistic that the ordeal is nearing an end.

“I am very thankful that Michael cast me as his girlfriend in ‘Thriller’ and I cherish the memories. I just want what’s owed to me," insists Ray. "I am looking forward to having my day in court and putting this matter behind me very soon.”

Ola Ray currently resides in Sacramento, California with her 17-year-old daughter. Jose A. Trejo is an entertainment attorney at Trejo Law Corporation, an entertainment law firm located in Beverly Hills, California.



Read more: http://www.timesunion.com...z1sVt1i9th

Oh so now I understand the need for the Thriller re-releases--so that Ola could get her royalties lol


Reply #471 posted 04/19/12 12:48pm

ViintageJunkiie

Ola still trying to get her coins? I could've sworn she said when she did the video, she didn't even want to get paid and that being in Michael's presence was enough.

Reply #472 posted 04/19/12 1:52pm

Timmy84

ViintageJunkiie said:

Ola still trying to get her coins? I could've sworn she said when she did the video, she didn't even want to get paid and that being in Michael's presence was enough.

Ola tripping as usual...

Reply #473 posted 04/19/12 2:01pm

NaughtyKitty

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Ola still trying to get her coins? I could've sworn she said when she did the video, she didn't even want to get paid and that being in Michael's presence was enough.

Ola tripping as usual...

Yep.

Reply #474 posted 04/19/12 2:18pm

mjscarousal

Co sign... that thing just wont go away confused

Reply #475 posted 04/19/12 4:44pm

claudiax

so cute video sad, Someone can say to me the name of the song that sounds in 4:13 please?

Reply #476 posted 04/19/12 5:04pm

babybugz

Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

[Edited 4/18/12 12:32pm]

I knew it.

I had a feeling too.. it's amazing how I can semi predict this family moves. I been studying them for too long lol confused and people are about to over do it with this hologram craze. I'm not sure if it's going to go well with people that the brothers might be doing this.

Reply #477 posted 04/19/12 5:10pm

Timmy84

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew it.

I had a feeling too.. it's amazing how I can semi predict this family moves. I been studying them for too long lol confused and people are about to over do it with this hologram craze. I'm not sure if it's going to go well with people that the brothers might be doing this.

I bet folks are criticizing them right now.

Reply #478 posted 04/20/12 6:39am

alphastreet

I'll tell you exactly what will be criticized. The MJ era they decide to choose in the end lol

Reply #479 posted 04/20/12 7:32am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Swa said:

- Upgraded Coachella Lineup of the Day

I love that MJ gets top billing.

Him and Mozart. That's saying something!!!! touched

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The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #480 posted 04/20/12 8:45am

dag

claudiax said:

so cute video sad, Someone can say to me the name of the song that sounds in 4:13 please?

Where could I find the original footage at the very beginning and the picture at 0:39?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #481 posted 04/20/12 2:05pm

dm3857

alphastreet said:

I'll tell you exactly what will be criticized. The MJ era they decide to choose in the end lol

i wish they would do the this is it era, that way its more realistic and its like your actually watching michael.

but they will proabably end up going with thriller era victory tour mj, which is also fine with me.

i kind of like the way this whole "hologram" thing is going.. not just for us michael jackson fans.. but for tons of music lovers who have never seen their favorite artist..

i think it would be cool to be able to go to a led zeppelin concert and things like that. who knows what crazy things this will lead to, lol

Reply #482 posted 04/20/12 5:45pm

alphastreet

dm3857 said:

alphastreet said:

I'll tell you exactly what will be criticized. The MJ era they decide to choose in the end lol

i wish they would do the this is it era, that way its more realistic and its like your actually watching michael.

but they will proabably end up going with thriller era victory tour mj, which is also fine with me.

i kind of like the way this whole "hologram" thing is going.. not just for us michael jackson fans.. but for tons of music lovers who have never seen their favorite artist..

i think it would be cool to be able to go to a led zeppelin concert and things like that. who knows what crazy things this will lead to, lol

I think they should do a current era too like This Is It. Though Victory or Triumph would be great, it would be like not accepting how he looked in recent times or making him decades younger than the rest of them.

Reply #483 posted 04/21/12 2:33am

Michael4everJackson

Timmy84 said:

Emancipation89 said:

And it seems like Youtube doesn't allow Who Is It music video...? I don't know why..

I got tired of wondering why a long time ago...

Well last time I checked I think that the Who Is It video was band in America so they just had some stupid compilation video made for it.

Reply #484 posted 04/21/12 10:45am

alphastreet

Who Is It is a video I've really come to appreciate with time.

Reply #485 posted 04/21/12 12:14pm

aardvark15

alphastreet said:

Who Is It is a video I've really come to appreciate with time.

One of my favorite music videos. So different from anything else he's done.

Reply #486 posted 04/21/12 2:00pm

HAPPYPERSON

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By Raven

“Michael, I’m sorry that Nancy and I could not be with you for this very special day, but I want to congratulate you for the honors you are receiving tonight from the United Negro College Fund and the honorary degree awarded you by Fisk University. Let me be the first to call you the new Dr. “J.”-Ronald Reagan, 1988.

Wow! Just wow. I never realized there was so much confusion about Michael Jackson’s formal education until I officially started researching for this article. Initially, I was simply curious about Michael’s honorary degree from Fisk University, which he was awarded in 1988. In the wake of Whitney Houston’s recent passing, when I was searching for all photos and events of her and Michael together, I kept coming across references to, and photos, from the United Negro College Fund’s 44thth anniversary event in 1988 where Michael was awarded his honorary doctorate degree in humane letters from Fisk University as well as receiving the Frederick D. Patterson Award, and where Whitney Houston sang in his honor. So I decided I would learn more about what an honorary doctorate degree in humane letters actually is, what privileges it entitles its receipients, and a bit about its history. A nice story, right?

What I didn’t realize is just how much confusion and lack of actual knowledge exists about Michael’s education, even among some fans. For starters, just try googling “Did Michael Jackson Graduate High School?” You won’t have any trouble finding sources that say he did, and just as many that say he didn’t!

Here, for example, is an article published just after his death that erroneously reports that he was a graduate of Montclair College Preparatory School:

http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com _content&view=articl e&id=1459: michael-jackson-dies&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=293

And this website is very typical of the conflicting information that is all over the internet:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1232200AAKUlQa

It’s almost amusing to go to sites like this just to see how many contradictory answers one might come up with! One fan commenting on the above site had even confused the images of the 1988 ceremony with an actual high school graduation.

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Just As With Every Other Aspect Of His Life,
The Truth About Michael's Education Seems To Be
A Source Of Confusion And Contradictions

What is known for certain is that Michael rounded out his high school years at Monclaire Preparatory School in Van Nuys, California (9th and 10th grades) and Califonia Preparatory High School, but apparently did not officially graduate.


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Michael's Kindergarten Teacher, Felicia Childress,
Remembers A Kid Who Was Bright And Eager
To Learn In School

In a way, it shouldn’t be too surprising to realize that Michael Jackson wasn’t exactly a kid in dire need of a formal education. He had been performing since age five; famous since age ten. As early as kindergarten, he was already having to explain to his teacher Felicia Childress why he was missing so much school. “M-Mrs. Childress, p-please don’t be mad at me, I-I was in New York,” he once told her, in his excited, childish stammer, when she had to ask why he had missed the last two weeks. This was a delightful story that Felicia Childress told the audience when I attended the 2010 Fanvenntion, and in other interviews she has always mentioned what a bright, gregarious and popular student Michael was, but that sadly, she witnessed at an early age for him how his childhood joy and eagerness to learn was-if not snuffed out, let’s just say, very dimisnished-by the demands of his childhood fame. It wasn’t that he ever lost the interest in learning. In fact, quite the contrary. As an adult, he would become a voracious reader, eventually amassing an enormous library of over 10,000 books on every subject, and by all accounts, a knowledgable art scholar and connoseur. But the demands of a show business career-especially in the halycon days of The Jackson 5′s peak fame-made the rigors of a structured school environment all but impossible to maintain. For starters, how can anyone expect a kid to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, eager to learn at eight am, when he’s been up half the night performing, or up all night in the recording studio? Eventually, although Michael would continue to be enrolled in a succession of both public and private schools, his primary education-as is true for most kids living a life on the road or in front of the cameras-would come via private tutors.

That, and the school of hard knocks, as the old saying goes.

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Michael's Yearbook Photo From Montclaire Preparatory School

And, let’s be honest here- with the immediate rewards of a show busness career, did Michael really have the desire or motivation for a formal education? I would imagine as a teenager, probably not. Michael’s year of graduation would have been 1977. But in 1977, Michael was already in New York, filming “The Wiz,” embarking on what he hoped at the time would be a succesful movie career-and also laying the groundwork for his first, huge solo album, Off The Wall. I would imagine at the time that a high school diploma was really the least of his concerns. He didn’t need a piece of paper to prove his worth.

But from varying accounts I have gathered, I do believe that Michael’s views on formal education changed as he got older. There was a rumor at the time of his death that he had planned to go back to school to study art (some sources saying, at Paris’s insisting). I don’t know how easy it would have been for Michael to trade in the white glove and fedora for a classroom desk and a notepad, but the story is proof that as Michael was entering middle age, he was thinking a lot about the different paths that were available to him-and about treading some new ones. Opening new doors of possibility.

However, many don’t realize that Michael Jackson did, in fact, have a doctorate degree-and a legitimate one, at that! Although his honorary degree awarded by Fisk University received a huge splash of publicity in 1988, this fact was all but swept under the rug in the proceeding years, as the media became more and more obsessed with nonsense about plastic surgery, skin bleaching, baby dangling, and sleepovers at the expense of everything worthwhile he had ever achieved, including his enormous contributiuons to humanitarian efforts. By the time this same media was announcing his death in 2009, no one seemed to remember that Michael Jackson was actually Dr. Jackson! Perhaps if Michael, following the example of many honorary degree recipients such as Stephen Colbert, Hunter S. Thompson, or even the revered Maya Angelou, had insisted on using his “doctor” title, more would have remembered.

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Michael With Just A Few Of His Over
10,000 Beloved Books

Of course, had he done so, I’m sure the media would have made a mockery of it, just as they did with his King Of Pop title (never mind how well earned the title may have been!). I’m sure they would have insisted on calling him “the self-proclaimed Dr. Jackson!” Even now, they can’t get it right. When Whitney Houston’s passing forced many news outlets to take a fresh look at the 1988 UNCF 44thth anniversary event, several of them mistakenly reported that Michael’s honorary degree was awarded by the United Negro College, rather than Fisk University! (Not exactly a forgiveable error, since all it takes is the most basic, rudimentary fact checking to get the story straight!).

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Whitney Sang The Black National Anthem, "Lift Ev'ry
Voice And Sing" And "America The Beautiful"
In Commemoration of The Event

Well, rant aside, I decided to do some research on Michael’s degree, on honoray degrees in general, and The Doctor of Humane Letters degree in particular. What I found was a bit surprising-in a good way!

First of all, let’s look at what an honorary degree, awarded by a legitimate and accredited institution of higher learning, actually is:

An honorary degree or a degree honoris causa (Latin: “for the sake of the honor”) is an academic degree for which a university (or other degree-awarding institution) has waived the usual requirements, such as matriculation, residence, study, and the passing of examinations. The degree is typically a doctorate or, less commonly, a master’s degree, and may be awarded to someone who has no prior connection with the academic institution.

Usually the degree is conferred as a way of honoring a distinguished visitor’s contributions to a specific field, or to society in general. The university often derives benefits by association with the person in question.

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The practice dates back to the middle ages, when for various reasons a university might be persuaded, or otherwise see fit, to grant exemption from some or all of the usual statutory requirements for award of a degree. The earliest honorary degree on record was awarded to Lionel Woodville in the late 1470s by the University of Oxford He later became Bishop of Salisbury.

In the latter part of the sixteenth century, the granting of honorary degrees became quite common, especially on the occasion of royal visits to Oxford or Cambridge. On the visit of James I to Oxford in 1605, for example, forty-three members of his retinue (fifteen of whom were earls or barons) received the degree of Master of Arts, and the Register of Convocation explicitly states that these were full degrees, carrying the usual privileges (such as voting rights in Convocation and Congregation).

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Honorary degrees are usually awarded at regular graduation ceremonies, at which the recipients are often invited to make a speech of acceptance before the assembled faculty and graduates – an event which often forms the highlight of the ceremony. Generally universities nominate several persons each year for honorary degrees; these nominees usually go through several committees before receiving approval. Those who are nominated are generally not told until a formal approval and invitation are made; often it is perceived that the system is shrouded in secrecy, and occasionally seen as political and controversial.

The term honorary degree is a slight misnomer: honoris causa degrees, being awarded by a university under the terms of its charter, may be considered to have technically the same standing, and to grant the same privileges and style of address as their substantive counterparts, except where explicitly stated to the contrary. In practice, however, such degrees tend to be popularly considered not to be of the same standing as substantive degrees, except perhaps where the recipient has demonstrated an appropriate level of academic scholarship that would ordinarily qualify them for the award of a substantive degree. Recipients of honorary degrees typically wear the same academic dress as recipients of substantive degrees, although there are a few exceptions: honorary graduands at the University of Cambridge wear the appropriate full-dress gown but not the hood, and those at the University of St Andrews wear a black cassock instead of the usual full-dress gown.

An ad eundem or jure dignitatis degree is sometimes considered honorary, although they are only conferred on an individual who has already achieved a comparable qualification at another university or by attaining an office requiring the appropriate level of scholarship.

Although higher doctorates such as DSc, DLitt, etc., are often awarded honoris causa, in many countries (notably England and Scotland, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand) it is possible formally to earn such a degree. This typically involves the submission of a portfolio of peer-refereed research, usually undertaken over a number of years, which has made a substantial contribution to the academic field in question. The university will appoint a panel of examiners who will consider the case and prepare a report recommending whether or not the degree be awarded. Usually, the applicant must have some strong formal connection with the university in question, for example full-time academic staff, or graduates of several years’ standing.

Some universities, seeking to differentiate between substantive and honorary doctorates, have a degree (often DUniv, or Doctor of the University) which is used for these purposes, with the other higher doctorates reserved for formally-examined academic scholarship.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has the authority to award degrees. These “Lambeth degrees are sometimes, erroneously, thought to be honorary; however the archbishops have for many centuries had the legal authority (originally as the representatives of the Pope, later confirmed by a 1533 Act of Henry VIII, to award degrees and regularly do so to people who have either passed an examination or are deemed to have satisfied the appropriate requirements.

Between the two extremes of honoring celebrities and formally assessing a portfolio of research, many universities use honorary degrees to recognize achievements of intellectual rigor comparable to an earned degree. Some learned societies award honorary fellowships in the same way as honorary degrees are awarded by universities for similar reasons.

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In some countries, recipients of an honorary doctorate may, if they wish, adopt the title of “DoctorMany universities, however, request that an honorary graduate refrain from such practice. A typical example of university regulations is Honorary graduates may use the approved post-nominal letters. It is not customary, however, for recipients of an honorary doctorate to adopt the prefix ‘Dr’ . In some universities, it is however a matter of personal preference for an honorary doctor to use the formal title of “Doctor”, regardless of the background circumstances for the award. Written communications where an honorary doctorate has been awarded may include the letters “h.c.” after the award to indicate that status.

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The recipient of an honorary degree may add the degree title postnominally, but it should always be made clear that the degree is honorary by adding “honorary” or “honoris causa” or “h.c.” in parenthesis after the degree title. In some countries, a person who holds an honorary doctorate may use the title “Doctor” prenominally, abbreviated “Dr.h.c.” or “Dr.(h.c.)”. Sometimes, they use “Hon” before the degree letters, for example, “Hon DMus”.

In recent years, some universities have adopted entirely separate post nominal titles for honorary degrees. This is in part due to the confusion that honorary degrees have caused. It is now common in certain countries to use certain degrees, such as LLD or HonD, as purely honorary. For instance, an honorary doctor of the Auckland University of Technology takes the special title HonD instead of the usual PhD Some universities, including the Open University grant Doctorates of the University (DUniv) to selected nominees, while awarding PhD or EdD degrees to those who have fulfilled the academic requirements.

MostAmerican universities award the degrees of LLD (Doctor of Laws), the LittD (Doctor of Letters), the LHD (Doctor of Humane Letters), the ScD (Doctor of Science), the PedD (Doctor of Pedagogy) and the DD (Doctor of Divinity) only as honorary degrees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_degree


This was taken from the Universal Degrees webpage:

Universities that offer honorary doctorate degree or honorary degrees usually have an entire panel of experts which selects, nominates and then awards the honorary degree to individuals. How, when and why the degree will be awarded is also discussed and evaluated among the panel. With regards to the policies of the institute that rewards honorary degrees, the degree can be perceived as the same as achieved after completing an education. [my emphasis]. Honorary degrees are also called doctorate degrees.

http://www.universaldegrees .com/degr...ary-degree.asp

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If We Can Call Elton "Sir," There's No Reason Not
To Call Michael "Dr." Both Are Honorary Titles;
One No Less Legit Than The Other!

One good analogy for the receiving of an honoray doctorate degree could be to compare it to the UK’s current custom of bestowing honorary knight titles to celebrities and other persons of note. Do you think that Paul McCartney or Elton John would have ever been knighted in the days of King Arthur? Probably not. But by the current definition of the knighthood, they are seen as British citizens whose contributions to the world have earned them the respect of the government. They have earned their titles, not by bloodshed or battles fought, but by example and servitutude (i.e, their contributions to their country and as goodwill ambassadors). And from what I’ve seen, the media seems to have no problem referring to them by their titles, without even so much as a hint of snarkiness. After all, they were legitimately “awarded” their titles-along with all the honors and priveleges thereof!

In the same way, the bestowing of an honorary doctorate in an institution’s way of saying, We recognize that this individual’s accomplishments are the equivalent of an earned degree in that field.

Specifically, Michael’s honorary degree of Doctorate of Humane Letters is a degree bestowed upon those who have made significant contributions to philanthrophy and the humanities-an academic discipline that includes not only the arts and sciences, but literature, history, and philosophy as well.

Humane letters is a term for classical liberal arts education that emphasizes history, literature, and other humanities fields. The term has its roots in the intellectual movement known as Renaissance Humanism, a 14th century movement marked by the rediscovery of Greco-Roman literary works by European scholars.

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With His Honorary Doctorate Degree
In Humane Letters, Michael Jackson Joined
The Ranks Of Such Luminary Figures
As Benjamin Franklin

http://www.ehow.com/about_5456426_honora ry-doctorate-humane-letters.html



In being bestowed an honorary doctorate, Michael Jackson, in fact, joined a long list of very accomplished important and historical figures, including not only the aforementioned Maya Angelou and Hunter S. Thompson, but also such luminaries as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Booker T. Washington, Georgia O’ Keefe, Prince Charles, Eudora Welty, Margaret Thatcher,and the Reverend Billy Graham, to name just a very few (of course, it’s a list that also includes some less stellar names such as Diane Sawyer!). In fact, it’s an honor that has yet to even be bestowed on our own president! There was controversy when Arizona State University refused to grant an honorary degree to Barack Obama, their excuse being that Obama had yet to prove himself. “His body of work is yet to come.”



http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-13/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

Apparently, Fisk University had no such qualms about Michael Jackson, who by 1988 had accomplished more-and contributed more to the good of the planet-than most will ever do in a lifetime!

Fisk University in itself has a fascinating history, of which many may not be aware. This is from the college’s “About” webpage:

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Barely six months after the end of the Civil War, and just two years after the Emancipation Proclamation, three men — John Ogden, the Reverend Erastus Milo Cravath, and the Reverend Edward P. Smith — established the Fisk School in Nashville, named in honor of General Clinton B. Fisk of the Tennessee Freedmens Bureau, who provided the new institution with facilities in former Union Army barracks near the present site of Nashvilles Union Station. In these facilities Fisk convened its first classes on January 9, 1866. The first students ranged in age from seven to seventy, but shared common experiences of slavery and poverty — and an extraordinary thirst for learning.

In 1954, Fisk became the first, private, black college accredited for its music programs by the National Association of Schools of Music. Today, Fisk also holds memberships in the American Association of Schools of Music, the American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business, and the American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education. Its department of chemistry is on the approved list of the American Chemical Society. Fisk is a member of the Council of Graduate Schools in the United States and is approved for teacher certification purposes by the State of Tennessee Department of Education.

Today, Fisk is recognized nationally for its ability to produce young leaders. Specifically, Fisk has received multiple awards for our traditional capacity to put students, many of whom are the first generation of their families to enroll in higher education, on the pathway to academic success. In the last three academic years, Fisk has been recognized for its success in graduating students by the Chronicle of Higher Education, Princeton Review’s Best 368 Colleges, US News & World Report, and Washington Monthly. The consistent theme throughout those accolades is that Fisk excels among all liberal arts schools in the nation in terms of research, service learning opportunities and its work to aid the social mobility of 1st generation college students.

http://www.fisk.edu/AboutFisk.aspx


It’s also worth noting that in 1866, when Fisk University was established, Nashville was a struggling community still scarred from the recent Battle of Franklin in 1864, described as “the bloodiest hours of the American Civil War.”

http://www.carter-house.org/the-battle-of-franklin/

It’s doubly amazing to think that out of the ashes of that ruin, three African-American men with little more than a dream managed to establish one of the first succesful black colleges in America.

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"To Want To Learn, To Have The
Capacity To Learn, And Not Be Able
To Is A Tragedy"-Michael Jackson

In March of 1988 Jet Magazine gave Michael’s honorary degree and the accompanying ceremony a full, seven page spread. I’ve reproduced the spread here, as best I can. As you can tell, it was quite an event and Jet Magazine seemed to fully grasp the importance of this honor, as well as why Michael was deserving of it!













Yet for all of the above, this achievement, like so many other of Michael’s achievements outside of music, has been underplayed and under reported. How much so? Well, apparently enough that he doesn’t even merit an inclusion on the wiki page of famous honorary degree recepients! (An oversight I definitely intend to correct, so don’t be surprised if you do see his name included by the time you read this!).

When Michael died, there were a bazillion “tribute” articles that rehashed all the controversies of his life, and a genuine few that actually paid decent homage to his contributuons to music and his cultural legacy. But precious few that actually acknowledged him as someone worthy of academic respect. This piece by Jennifer Viegas was one of the brief but notable exceptions:

Pop star Michael Jackson, who died one year ago this week, not only changed music and pop culture, but he also impacted engineering, law, medicine, psychology and other academic fields, according to a Texas Tech University pop culture expert.

(Michael Jackson; Credit: Drew Cohen)

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Rob Weiner, a pop-culture author and associate librarian in the Texas Tech Libraries, recently helped compile a bibliographic guide for a special issue of The Journal of Pan African Studies showing Jackson’s influence into the often dusty halls of academia.

The list of scholarly papers and peer-reviewed articles, culled from more than 100 databases, found the King of Pop referenced in psychology, medical, chemistry, mass communications and even engineering journals.

For instance, researchers used Jackson to critique the media’s handling of criminal cases. A 911 call made by Jackson prompted an article in Fire Engineering journal, while a British Medical Journal piece written after Jackson’s death discussed ethical issues that arise when a patient is more powerful than the attending physician. ( I am fairly certain that the 911 call she is referring to is actually a reference to the 911 call placed by Alberto Alvarez, not by Michael Jackson)-my note.

One chemistry professor argued that reframing popular songs such as “Billie Jean” could help students understand difficult chemistry concepts.

“I knew that Jackson permeated pop culture, but academics can be kind of snooty about what they choose to study,” Weiner said. “The fact that someone would take a Michael Jackson song and co-opt it as a means to convey chemistry concepts just shows the pervasiveness of Jackson’s influence.”

The below video, a compilation of Jackson images from Ebony Magazine, shows the pop star receiving his PhD. Few people remember that he was Dr. Jackson, having received this Honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from Fisk University.


http://news.discovery.com/human/pop-star-michael-jackson-influenced-academics-received-phd.html


Here is the video referenced in her article:





More of Michael’s big night, captured on video:




I can’t help but be struck by the sad poignancy of Viegas’s closing words: “Few people remember that he was Dr. Jackson.”

Well, it’s time to start remembering. We cannot begin to fully acknowledge or appreciate Michael Jackson’s contributions until we have recognized the full scope of his abilities and the true range of what he achieved in his amazing life. Michael wanted young black people, especially, to realize that they were only as limited as their dreams allowed them to be. For those who don’t know, the term “doctor” actually comes from a Latin phrase that simply translates “to teach.” A person with a doctorate-honorary or otherwise-is literally one who teaches.


The True Definition Of A "Doctor" Is One Who Teaches...
And Those Who Teach Correctly, Inspire! Michael Was, Then,
In Every Sense Truly "Dr. Jackson"

By the accounts of almost everyone who ever knew him, Michael was a teacher. He never stopped inspiring others to reach their full potential. He mentored so many countless people, especially young people. Even in This Is It, during his last weeks of life, we see him patiently mentoring the young dancers, and coaxing the shy Orianthi into the spotlight: “This is your time to shine.”

Maybe it’s fitting. The world at large remembers Michael Jackson, The Entertainer. But to those whose lives he touched, he was truly Dr. Jackson-a teacher and mentor to the end.

Make that, Dr. Jackson, PhD! Not bad for a poor kid from Gary, Indiana’s “colored” side of the tracks

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Reply #487 posted 04/21/12 3:37pm

mjscarousal

Very interesting read....

Reply #488 posted 04/21/12 6:53pm

silverchild



Classic Albums: Michael Jackson’s Bad 25th Anniversary Special

Hello People!

We’re back with a new BrandoSoul podcast! In this particular podcast, we will be celebrating the 25th anniversary of Michael Jackson’s 1987 landmark, Bad. We will be offering in-depth insights about the classic album and era that catapulted Michael Jackson into iconic status. I am joined with special co-host, Jesse Jenkins and new guest, Henry Cooper. All MJ fans and music lovers have to get into this epic special. This is one for the HIStory books! Please enjoy, comment, and follow BrandoSoul!


Part 1: http://archive.org/details/MichaelJacksonsBad25thAnniversarySpecialpartOne
Part 2: http://archive.org/details/MichaelJacksonsBad25thAnniversarySpecialpartTwo
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Reply #489 posted 04/21/12 9:46pm

Swa

alphastreet said:

Who Is It is a video I've really come to appreciate with time.

This was and remains one of my top 5 MJ videos - it was a new approach for MJ and gave the song some extra tension. David Fincher directed it.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #490 posted 04/21/12 9:54pm

alphastreet

Yeah I love it cause of David Fincher. Love his directional style in music videos and movies.

Reply #491 posted 04/22/12 12:10am

bboy87

HAPPYPERSON said:

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By Raven

“Michael, I’m sorry that Nancy and I could not be with you for this very special day, but I want to congratulate you for the honors you are receiving tonight from the United Negro College Fund and the honorary degree awarded you by Fisk University. Let me be the first to call you the new Dr. “J.”-Ronald Reagan, 1988.

Wow! Just wow. I never realized there was so much confusion about Michael Jackson’s formal education until I officially started researching for this article. Initially, I was simply curious about Michael’s honorary degree from Fisk University, which he was awarded in 1988. In the wake of Whitney Houston’s recent passing, when I was searching for all photos and events of her and Michael together, I kept coming across references to, and photos, from the United Negro College Fund’s 44thth anniversary event in 1988 where Michael was awarded his honorary doctorate degree in humane letters from Fisk University as well as receiving the Frederick D. Patterson Award, and where Whitney Houston sang in his honor. So I decided I would learn more about what an honorary doctorate degree in humane letters actually is, what privileges it entitles its receipients, and a bit about its history. A nice story, right?

What I didn’t realize is just how much confusion and lack of actual knowledge exists about Michael’s education, even among some fans. For starters, just try googling “Did Michael Jackson Graduate High School?” You won’t have any trouble finding sources that say he did, and just as many that say he didn’t!

Here, for example, is an article published just after his death that erroneously reports that he was a graduate of Montclair College Preparatory School:

http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com _content&view=articl e&id=1459: michael-jackson-dies&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=293

And this website is very typical of the conflicting information that is all over the internet:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1232200AAKUlQa

It’s almost amusing to go to sites like this just to see how many contradictory answers one might come up with! One fan commenting on the above site had even confused the images of the 1988 ceremony with an actual high school graduation.

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Just As With Every Other Aspect Of His Life,
The Truth About Michael's Education Seems To Be
A Source Of Confusion And Contradictions

What is known for certain is that Michael rounded out his high school years at Monclaire Preparatory School in Van Nuys, California (9th and 10th grades) and Califonia Preparatory High School, but apparently did not officially graduate.


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Michael's Kindergarten Teacher, Felicia Childress,
Remembers A Kid Who Was Bright And Eager
To Learn In School

In a way, it shouldn’t be too surprising to realize that Michael Jackson wasn’t exactly a kid in dire need of a formal education. He had been performing since age five; famous since age ten. As early as kindergarten, he was already having to explain to his teacher Felicia Childress why he was missing so much school. “M-Mrs. Childress, p-please don’t be mad at me, I-I was in New York,” he once told her, in his excited, childish stammer, when she had to ask why he had missed the last two weeks. This was a delightful story that Felicia Childress told the audience when I attended the 2010 Fanvenntion, and in other interviews she has always mentioned what a bright, gregarious and popular student Michael was, but that sadly, she witnessed at an early age for him how his childhood joy and eagerness to learn was-if not snuffed out, let’s just say, very dimisnished-by the demands of his childhood fame. It wasn’t that he ever lost the interest in learning. In fact, quite the contrary. As an adult, he would become a voracious reader, eventually amassing an enormous library of over 10,000 books on every subject, and by all accounts, a knowledgable art scholar and connoseur. But the demands of a show business career-especially in the halycon days of The Jackson 5′s peak fame-made the rigors of a structured school environment all but impossible to maintain. For starters, how can anyone expect a kid to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, eager to learn at eight am, when he’s been up half the night performing, or up all night in the recording studio? Eventually, although Michael would continue to be enrolled in a succession of both public and private schools, his primary education-as is true for most kids living a life on the road or in front of the cameras-would come via private tutors.

That, and the school of hard knocks, as the old saying goes.

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Michael's Yearbook Photo From Montclaire Preparatory School

And, let’s be honest here- with the immediate rewards of a show busness career, did Michael really have the desire or motivation for a formal education? I would imagine as a teenager, probably not. Michael’s year of graduation would have been 1977. But in 1977, Michael was already in New York, filming “The Wiz,” embarking on what he hoped at the time would be a succesful movie career-and also laying the groundwork for his first, huge solo album, Off The Wall. I would imagine at the time that a high school diploma was really the least of his concerns. He didn’t need a piece of paper to prove his worth.

But from varying accounts I have gathered, I do believe that Michael’s views on formal education changed as he got older. There was a rumor at the time of his death that he had planned to go back to school to study art (some sources saying, at Paris’s insisting). I don’t know how easy it would have been for Michael to trade in the white glove and fedora for a classroom desk and a notepad, but the story is proof that as Michael was entering middle age, he was thinking a lot about the different paths that were available to him-and about treading some new ones. Opening new doors of possibility.

However, many don’t realize that Michael Jackson did, in fact, have a doctorate degree-and a legitimate one, at that! Although his honorary degree awarded by Fisk University received a huge splash of publicity in 1988, this fact was all but swept under the rug in the proceeding years, as the media became more and more obsessed with nonsense about plastic surgery, skin bleaching, baby dangling, and sleepovers at the expense of everything worthwhile he had ever achieved, including his enormous contributiuons to humanitarian efforts. By the time this same media was announcing his death in 2009, no one seemed to remember that Michael Jackson was actually Dr. Jackson! Perhaps if Michael, following the example of many honorary degree recipients such as Stephen Colbert, Hunter S. Thompson, or even the revered Maya Angelou, had insisted on using his “doctor” title, more would have remembered.

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Michael With Just A Few Of His Over
10,000 Beloved Books

Of course, had he done so, I’m sure the media would have made a mockery of it, just as they did with his King Of Pop title (never mind how well earned the title may have been!). I’m sure they would have insisted on calling him “the self-proclaimed Dr. Jackson!” Even now, they can’t get it right. When Whitney Houston’s passing forced many news outlets to take a fresh look at the 1988 UNCF 44thth anniversary event, several of them mistakenly reported that Michael’s honorary degree was awarded by the United Negro College, rather than Fisk University! (Not exactly a forgiveable error, since all it takes is the most basic, rudimentary fact checking to get the story straight!).

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Whitney Sang The Black National Anthem, "Lift Ev'ry
Voice And Sing" And "America The Beautiful"
In Commemoration of The Event

Well, rant aside, I decided to do some research on Michael’s degree, on honoray degrees in general, and The Doctor of Humane Letters degree in particular. What I found was a bit surprising-in a good way!

First of all, let’s look at what an honorary degree, awarded by a legitimate and accredited institution of higher learning, actually is:

An honorary degree or a degree honoris causa (Latin: “for the sake of the honor”) is an academic degree for which a university (or other degree-awarding institution) has waived the usual requirements, such as matriculation, residence, study, and the passing of examinations. The degree is typically a doctorate or, less commonly, a master’s degree, and may be awarded to someone who has no prior connection with the academic institution.

Usually the degree is conferred as a way of honoring a distinguished visitor’s contributions to a specific field, or to society in general. The university often derives benefits by association with the person in question.

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The practice dates back to the middle ages, when for various reasons a university might be persuaded, or otherwise see fit, to grant exemption from some or all of the usual statutory requirements for award of a degree. The earliest honorary degree on record was awarded to Lionel Woodville in the late 1470s by the University of Oxford He later became Bishop of Salisbury.

In the latter part of the sixteenth century, the granting of honorary degrees became quite common, especially on the occasion of royal visits to Oxford or Cambridge. On the visit of James I to Oxford in 1605, for example, forty-three members of his retinue (fifteen of whom were earls or barons) received the degree of Master of Arts, and the Register of Convocation explicitly states that these were full degrees, carrying the usual privileges (such as voting rights in Convocation and Congregation).

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Honorary degrees are usually awarded at regular graduation ceremonies, at which the recipients are often invited to make a speech of acceptance before the assembled faculty and graduates – an event which often forms the highlight of the ceremony. Generally universities nominate several persons each year for honorary degrees; these nominees usually go through several committees before receiving approval. Those who are nominated are generally not told until a formal approval and invitation are made; often it is perceived that the system is shrouded in secrecy, and occasionally seen as political and controversial.

The term honorary degree is a slight misnomer: honoris causa degrees, being awarded by a university under the terms of its charter, may be considered to have technically the same standing, and to grant the same privileges and style of address as their substantive counterparts, except where explicitly stated to the contrary. In practice, however, such degrees tend to be popularly considered not to be of the same standing as substantive degrees, except perhaps where the recipient has demonstrated an appropriate level of academic scholarship that would ordinarily qualify them for the award of a substantive degree. Recipients of honorary degrees typically wear the same academic dress as recipients of substantive degrees, although there are a few exceptions: honorary graduands at the University of Cambridge wear the appropriate full-dress gown but not the hood, and those at the University of St Andrews wear a black cassock instead of the usual full-dress gown.

An ad eundem or jure dignitatis degree is sometimes considered honorary, although they are only conferred on an individual who has already achieved a comparable qualification at another university or by attaining an office requiring the appropriate level of scholarship.

Although higher doctorates such as DSc, DLitt, etc., are often awarded honoris causa, in many countries (notably England and Scotland, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand) it is possible formally to earn such a degree. This typically involves the submission of a portfolio of peer-refereed research, usually undertaken over a number of years, which has made a substantial contribution to the academic field in question. The university will appoint a panel of examiners who will consider the case and prepare a report recommending whether or not the degree be awarded. Usually, the applicant must have some strong formal connection with the university in question, for example full-time academic staff, or graduates of several years’ standing.

Some universities, seeking to differentiate between substantive and honorary doctorates, have a degree (often DUniv, or Doctor of the University) which is used for these purposes, with the other higher doctorates reserved for formally-examined academic scholarship.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has the authority to award degrees. These “Lambeth degrees are sometimes, erroneously, thought to be honorary; however the archbishops have for many centuries had the legal authority (originally as the representatives of the Pope, later confirmed by a 1533 Act of Henry VIII, to award degrees and regularly do so to people who have either passed an examination or are deemed to have satisfied the appropriate requirements.

Between the two extremes of honoring celebrities and formally assessing a portfolio of research, many universities use honorary degrees to recognize achievements of intellectual rigor comparable to an earned degree. Some learned societies award honorary fellowships in the same way as honorary degrees are awarded by universities for similar reasons.

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In some countries, recipients of an honorary doctorate may, if they wish, adopt the title of “DoctorMany universities, however, request that an honorary graduate refrain from such practice. A typical example of university regulations is Honorary graduates may use the approved post-nominal letters. It is not customary, however, for recipients of an honorary doctorate to adopt the prefix ‘Dr’ . In some universities, it is however a matter of personal preference for an honorary doctor to use the formal title of “Doctor”, regardless of the background circumstances for the award. Written communications where an honorary doctorate has been awarded may include the letters “h.c.” after the award to indicate that status.

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The recipient of an honorary degree may add the degree title postnominally, but it should always be made clear that the degree is honorary by adding “honorary” or “honoris causa” or “h.c.” in parenthesis after the degree title. In some countries, a person who holds an honorary doctorate may use the title “Doctor” prenominally, abbreviated “Dr.h.c.” or “Dr.(h.c.)”. Sometimes, they use “Hon” before the degree letters, for example, “Hon DMus”.

In recent years, some universities have adopted entirely separate post nominal titles for honorary degrees. This is in part due to the confusion that honorary degrees have caused. It is now common in certain countries to use certain degrees, such as LLD or HonD, as purely honorary. For instance, an honorary doctor of the Auckland University of Technology takes the special title HonD instead of the usual PhD Some universities, including the Open University grant Doctorates of the University (DUniv) to selected nominees, while awarding PhD or EdD degrees to those who have fulfilled the academic requirements.

MostAmerican universities award the degrees of LLD (Doctor of Laws), the LittD (Doctor of Letters), the LHD (Doctor of Humane Letters), the ScD (Doctor of Science), the PedD (Doctor of Pedagogy) and the DD (Doctor of Divinity) only as honorary degrees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_degree


This was taken from the Universal Degrees webpage:

Universities that offer honorary doctorate degree or honorary degrees usually have an entire panel of experts which selects, nominates and then awards the honorary degree to individuals. How, when and why the degree will be awarded is also discussed and evaluated among the panel. With regards to the policies of the institute that rewards honorary degrees, the degree can be perceived as the same as achieved after completing an education. [my emphasis]. Honorary degrees are also called doctorate degrees.

http://www.universaldegrees .com/degr...ary-degree.asp

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If We Can Call Elton "Sir," There's No Reason Not
To Call Michael "Dr." Both Are Honorary Titles;
One No Less Legit Than The Other!

One good analogy for the receiving of an honoray doctorate degree could be to compare it to the UK’s current custom of bestowing honorary knight titles to celebrities and other persons of note. Do you think that Paul McCartney or Elton John would have ever been knighted in the days of King Arthur? Probably not. But by the current definition of the knighthood, they are seen as British citizens whose contributions to the world have earned them the respect of the government. They have earned their titles, not by bloodshed or battles fought, but by example and servitutude (i.e, their contributions to their country and as goodwill ambassadors). And from what I’ve seen, the media seems to have no problem referring to them by their titles, without even so much as a hint of snarkiness. After all, they were legitimately “awarded” their titles-along with all the honors and priveleges thereof!

In the same way, the bestowing of an honorary doctorate in an institution’s way of saying, We recognize that this individual’s accomplishments are the equivalent of an earned degree in that field.

Specifically, Michael’s honorary degree of Doctorate of Humane Letters is a degree bestowed upon those who have made significant contributions to philanthrophy and the humanities-an academic discipline that includes not only the arts and sciences, but literature, history, and philosophy as well.

Humane letters is a term for classical liberal arts education that emphasizes history, literature, and other humanities fields. The term has its roots in the intellectual movement known as Renaissance Humanism, a 14th century movement marked by the rediscovery of Greco-Roman literary works by European scholars.

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With His Honorary Doctorate Degree
In Humane Letters, Michael Jackson Joined
The Ranks Of Such Luminary Figures
As Benjamin Franklin

http://www.ehow.com/about_5456426_honora ry-doctorate-humane-letters.html



In being bestowed an honorary doctorate, Michael Jackson, in fact, joined a long list of very accomplished important and historical figures, including not only the aforementioned Maya Angelou and Hunter S. Thompson, but also such luminaries as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Booker T. Washington, Georgia O’ Keefe, Prince Charles, Eudora Welty, Margaret Thatcher,and the Reverend Billy Graham, to name just a very few (of course, it’s a list that also includes some less stellar names such as Diane Sawyer!). In fact, it’s an honor that has yet to even be bestowed on our own president! There was controversy when Arizona State University refused to grant an honorary degree to Barack Obama, their excuse being that Obama had yet to prove himself. “His body of work is yet to come.”



http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-13/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

Apparently, Fisk University had no such qualms about Michael Jackson, who by 1988 had accomplished more-and contributed more to the good of the planet-than most will ever do in a lifetime!

Fisk University in itself has a fascinating history, of which many may not be aware. This is from the college’s “About” webpage:

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Barely six months after the end of the Civil War, and just two years after the Emancipation Proclamation, three men — John Ogden, the Reverend Erastus Milo Cravath, and the Reverend Edward P. Smith — established the Fisk School in Nashville, named in honor of General Clinton B. Fisk of the Tennessee Freedmens Bureau, who provided the new institution with facilities in former Union Army barracks near the present site of Nashvilles Union Station. In these facilities Fisk convened its first classes on January 9, 1866. The first students ranged in age from seven to seventy, but shared common experiences of slavery and poverty — and an extraordinary thirst for learning.

In 1954, Fisk became the first, private, black college accredited for its music programs by the National Association of Schools of Music. Today, Fisk also holds memberships in the American Association of Schools of Music, the American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business, and the American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education. Its department of chemistry is on the approved list of the American Chemical Society. Fisk is a member of the Council of Graduate Schools in the United States and is approved for teacher certification purposes by the State of Tennessee Department of Education.

Today, Fisk is recognized nationally for its ability to produce young leaders. Specifically, Fisk has received multiple awards for our traditional capacity to put students, many of whom are the first generation of their families to enroll in higher education, on the pathway to academic success. In the last three academic years, Fisk has been recognized for its success in graduating students by the Chronicle of Higher Education, Princeton Review’s Best 368 Colleges, US News & World Report, and Washington Monthly. The consistent theme throughout those accolades is that Fisk excels among all liberal arts schools in the nation in terms of research, service learning opportunities and its work to aid the social mobility of 1st generation college students.

http://www.fisk.edu/AboutFisk.aspx


It’s also worth noting that in 1866, when Fisk University was established, Nashville was a struggling community still scarred from the recent Battle of Franklin in 1864, described as “the bloodiest hours of the American Civil War.”

http://www.carter-house.org/the-battle-of-franklin/

It’s doubly amazing to think that out of the ashes of that ruin, three African-American men with little more than a dream managed to establish one of the first succesful black colleges in America.

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"To Want To Learn, To Have The
Capacity To Learn, And Not Be Able
To Is A Tragedy"-Michael Jackson

In March of 1988 Jet Magazine gave Michael’s honorary degree and the accompanying ceremony a full, seven page spread. I’ve reproduced the spread here, as best I can. As you can tell, it was quite an event and Jet Magazine seemed to fully grasp the importance of this honor, as well as why Michael was deserving of it!













Yet for all of the above, this achievement, like so many other of Michael’s achievements outside of music, has been underplayed and under reported. How much so? Well, apparently enough that he doesn’t even merit an inclusion on the wiki page of famous honorary degree recepients! (An oversight I definitely intend to correct, so don’t be surprised if you do see his name included by the time you read this!).

When Michael died, there were a bazillion “tribute” articles that rehashed all the controversies of his life, and a genuine few that actually paid decent homage to his contributuons to music and his cultural legacy. But precious few that actually acknowledged him as someone worthy of academic respect. This piece by Jennifer Viegas was one of the brief but notable exceptions:

Pop star Michael Jackson, who died one year ago this week, not only changed music and pop culture, but he also impacted engineering, law, medicine, psychology and other academic fields, according to a Texas Tech University pop culture expert.

(Michael Jackson; Credit: Drew Cohen)

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Rob Weiner, a pop-culture author and associate librarian in the Texas Tech Libraries, recently helped compile a bibliographic guide for a special issue of The Journal of Pan African Studies showing Jackson’s influence into the often dusty halls of academia.

The list of scholarly papers and peer-reviewed articles, culled from more than 100 databases, found the King of Pop referenced in psychology, medical, chemistry, mass communications and even engineering journals.

For instance, researchers used Jackson to critique the media’s handling of criminal cases. A 911 call made by Jackson prompted an article in Fire Engineering journal, while a British Medical Journal piece written after Jackson’s death discussed ethical issues that arise when a patient is more powerful than the attending physician. ( I am fairly certain that the 911 call she is referring to is actually a reference to the 911 call placed by Alberto Alvarez, not by Michael Jackson)-my note.

One chemistry professor argued that reframing popular songs such as “Billie Jean” could help students understand difficult chemistry concepts.

“I knew that Jackson permeated pop culture, but academics can be kind of snooty about what they choose to study,” Weiner said. “The fact that someone would take a Michael Jackson song and co-opt it as a means to convey chemistry concepts just shows the pervasiveness of Jackson’s influence.”

The below video, a compilation of Jackson images from Ebony Magazine, shows the pop star receiving his PhD. Few people remember that he was Dr. Jackson, having received this Honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from Fisk University.


http://news.discovery.com/human/pop-star-michael-jackson-influenced-academics-received-phd.html


Here is the video referenced in her article:





More of Michael’s big night, captured on video:




I can’t help but be struck by the sad poignancy of Viegas’s closing words: “Few people remember that he was Dr. Jackson.”

Well, it’s time to start remembering. We cannot begin to fully acknowledge or appreciate Michael Jackson’s contributions until we have recognized the full scope of his abilities and the true range of what he achieved in his amazing life. Michael wanted young black people, especially, to realize that they were only as limited as their dreams allowed them to be. For those who don’t know, the term “doctor” actually comes from a Latin phrase that simply translates “to teach.” A person with a doctorate-honorary or otherwise-is literally one who teaches.


The True Definition Of A "Doctor" Is One Who Teaches...
And Those Who Teach Correctly, Inspire! Michael Was, Then,
In Every Sense Truly "Dr. Jackson"

By the accounts of almost everyone who ever knew him, Michael was a teacher. He never stopped inspiring others to reach their full potential. He mentored so many countless people, especially young people. Even in This Is It, during his last weeks of life, we see him patiently mentoring the young dancers, and coaxing the shy Orianthi into the spotlight: “This is your time to shine.”

Maybe it’s fitting. The world at large remembers Michael Jackson, The Entertainer. But to those whose lives he touched, he was truly Dr. Jackson-a teacher and mentor to the end.

Make that, Dr. Jackson, PhD! Not bad for a poor kid from Gary, Indiana’s “colored” side of the tracks

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[Edited 4/21/12 14:05pm]

cool article

nod he got his high school diploma but his schooling mostly came through a private tutor

He went to Cal Prep in his last years of school (unless Montclair and Cal Prep are the same school)


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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
Reply #492 posted 04/22/12 12:41am

dag

Thanks for the article, Happyperson. Great read and very useful for my planned speech. biggrin

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #493 posted 04/22/12 1:59pm

Vanilli

I thought the guy who directed "Who Is It" won a contest on MTV to do that? Or was the contest just for coming up with the plot? And someone else would direct it?

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Reply #494 posted 04/22/12 6:11pm

Swa

Vanilli said:

I thought the guy who directed "Who Is It" won a contest on MTV to do that? Or was the contest just for coming up with the plot? And someone else would direct it?

First I've ever heard that.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
Reply #495 posted 04/22/12 6:23pm

Timmy84

Nice post about Michael and his love for learning.

Reply #496 posted 04/23/12 4:49am

PatrickS77

Vanilli said:

I thought the guy who directed "Who Is It" won a contest on MTV to do that? Or was the contest just for coming up with the plot? And someone else would direct it?

David Fincher is the director. He's a pro. He directed many music videos and feature films (Seven, Fight Club, Alien3...).

Reply #497 posted 04/23/12 10:32am

HAPPYPERSON

This image has been resized. Click this bar to view the full image. The original image is sized 615x320 and weights 82KB. AP Images More than two and a half years after his untimely death, Michael Jackson continues to entertain. Cirque du Soleil's crowd-pleasing Michael Jackson Immortal World Tour is currently crisscrossing North America, while a recent Jackson-themed episode of Glee earned the show a 16 percent jump in ratings and its highest music sales of the season. Even Madonna's halftime Super Bowl spectacle harkened back to a trend first initiated by Jackson. But there is another crucial part of Jackson's legacy that deserves attention: his pioneering role as an African-American artist working in an industry still plagued by segregation, stereotypical representations, or little representation at all. Jackson never made any qualms about his aspirations. He wanted to be the best. When his highly successful Off the Wall album (in 1981, the best-selling album ever by a black artist) was slighted at the Grammy Awards, it only fueled Jackson's resolve to create something better. His next album, Thriller, became the best-selling album by any artist of any race in the history of the music industry. It also won a record-setting seven Grammy awards, broke down color barriers on radio and TV, and redefined the possibilities of popular music on a global scale. Yet among critics (predominantly white), skepticism and suspicion only grew. "He will not swiftly be forgiven for having turned so many tables," predicted James Baldwin in 1985, "for he damn sure grabbed the brass ring, and the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo has nothing on Michael." Baldwin proved prophetic. In addition to a flood of ridicule regarding his intelligence, race, sexuality, appearance, and behavior, even his success and ambition were used by critics as evidence that he lacked artistic seriousness. Reviews frequently described his work as "calculating," "slick," and "shallow." Establishment rock critics such as Dave Marsh and Greil Marcus notoriously dismissed Jackson as the first major popular music phenomenon whose impact was more commercial than cultural. Elvis Presley, the Beatles, and Bruce Springsteen, they claimed, challenged and re-shaped society. Jackson simply sold records and entertained. The point of his ambition wasn't money and fame; it was respect. It shouldn't be much of a strain to hear the racial undertones in such an assertion. Historically, this dismissal of black artists (and black styles) as somehow lacking substance, depth and import is as old as America. It was the lie that constituted minstrelsy. It was a common criticism of spirituals (in relation to traditional hymns), of jazz in the '20s and '30s, of R&B in the '50s and '60s, of funk and disco in the '70s, and of hip-hop in the '80s and '90s (and still today). The cultural gatekeepers not only failed to initially recognize the legitimacy of these new musical styles and forms, they also tended to overlook or reduce the achievements of the African-American men and women who pioneered them. The King of Jazz, for white critics, wasn't Louis Armstrong, it was Paul Whiteman; the King of Swing wasn't Duke Ellington, it was Benny Goodman; the King of Rock wasn't Chuck Berry or Little Richard, it was Elvis Presley. Given this history of white coronation, it is worth considering why the media took such issue with referring to Michael Jackson as the King of Pop. Certainly his achievements merited such a title. Yet up until his death in 2009, many journalists insisted on referring to him as the "self-proclaimed King of Pop." Indeed, in 2003, Rolling Stone went so far as to ridiculously re-assign the title to Justin Timberlake. (To keep with the historical pattern, just last year the magazine devised a formula that coronated Eminem—over Run DMC, Public Enemy, Tupac, Jay-Z, or Kanye West—as the King of Hip Hop). Jackson was well-aware of this history and consistently pushed against it. In 1979, Rolling Stone passed on a cover story about the singer, saying that it didn't feel Jackson merited front cover status. "I've been told over and over again that black people on the covers of magazines don't sell copies," an exasperated Jackson told confidantes. "Just wait. Some day those magazines will come begging for an interview." Jackson, of course, was right (Rolling Stone editor Jann Wenner actually sent a self-deprecatory letter acknowledging the oversight in 1984). And during the 1980s, at least, Jackson's image seemed ubiquitous. Yet over the long haul, Jackson's initial concern seems legitimate. As shown in the breakdown below, his appearances on the front cover of Rolling Stone, the United States' most visible music publication, are far fewer than those of white artists: John Lennon: 30 Mick Jagger: 29 Paul McCartney: 26 Bob Dylan: 22 Bono: 22 Bruce Springsteen: 22 Madonna: 20 Britney Spears: 13 Michael Jackson: 8 (two came after he died; one featured Paul McCartney as well) Is it really possible that Michael Jackson, arguably the most influential artist of the 20th century, merited less than half the coverage of Bono, Bruce Springsteen, and Madonna? Of course, this disregard wasn't limited to magazine covers. It extended into all realms of print media. In a 2002 speech in Harlem, Jackson not only protested his own slights, but also articulated how he fit into a lineage of African-American artists struggling for respect: All the forms of popular music from jazz to hip-hop, to bebop, to soul [come from black innovation]. You talk about different dances from the catwalk, to the jitterbug, to the charleston, to break dancing -- all these are forms of black dancing...What would [life] be without a song, without a dance, and joy and laughter, and music. These things are very important but if you go to the bookstore down the corner, you will not see one black person on the cover. You'll see Elvis Presley, you'll see the Rolling Stones...But we're the real pioneers who started these [forms]." While there was certainly some rhetorical flourish to his "not one black person on the cover" claim, his broader point of severely disproportionate representation in print was unquestionably accurate. Books on Elvis Presley alone outnumber titles on Chuck Berry, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and Michael Jackson combined. When I began my book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson, in 2005, there wasn't one serious book focused on Jackson's creative output. Indeed, at my local Barnes & Noble, I could find only two books about him, period. Both dealt with the scandals and controversies of his personal life. It seemed the only way Michael Jackson could get covered was if he was presented as a freak, a curiosity, a spectacle. Even reviews of his albums, post-Thriller, focused on the sensational and were overwhelmingly condescending, when not outright hostile. Of course, this poor coverage wasn't only about race. Biases were often more subtle, veiled and coded. They were wrapped together with his overall otherness and conflated with the "Wacko Jackson" media construct. In addition, as Baldwin astutely noted, there were not entirely unrelated apprehensions about his wealth and fame, anxieties about his eccentricities and sexuality, confusion about his changing appearance, contempt for his childlike behavior, and fears about his power. But the bottom line is this: Somehow, in the midst of the circus that surrounded him, Jackson managed to leave behind one of the most impressive catalogs in the history of music. Rarely has an artist been so adept at communicating the vitality and vulnerability of the human condition: the exhilaration, yearning, despair, and transcendence. Indeed, in Jackson's case he literally embodied the music. It charged through him like an electric current. He mediated it through every means at his disposal—his voice, his body, his dances, films, words, technology and performances. His work was multi-media in a way never before experienced. This is why the tendency of many critics to judge his work against circumscribed, often white, Euro-American musical standards is such a mistake. Jackson never fit neatly into categories and defied many of the expectations of rock/alternative enthusiasts. He was rooted deeply in the African-American tradition, which is crucial to understanding his work. But the hallmark of his art is fusion, the ability to stitch together disparate styles, genres and mediums to create something entirely new. If critics simply hold Jackson's lyrics on a sheet of paper next to those of Bob Dylan, then, they will likely find Jackson on the short end. It's not that Jackson's lyrics aren't substantive (on the HIStory album alone, he tackles racism, materialism, fame, corruption, media distortion, ecological destruction, abuse, and alienation). But his greatness is in his ability to augment his words vocally, visually, physically, and sonically, so that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Listen, for example, to his non-verbal vocalizations—the cries, exclamations, grunts, gasps, and improvisatory vernacular—in which Jackson communicates beyond the strictures of language. Listen to his beat boxing and scatting; how he stretches or accents words; his James Brown-like staccato facility; the way his voice moves from gravelly to smooth to sublime; the passionate calls and responses; the way he soars just as naturally with gospel choirs and electric guitars. Listen to his virtuosic rhythms and rich harmonies; the nuanced syncopation and signature bass lines; the layers of detail and archive of unusual sounds. Go beyond the usual classics, and play songs like "Stranger in Moscow," "I Can't Help It ," "Liberian Girl ," "Who Is It," and "In the Back." Note the range of subject matter, the spectrum of moods and textures, the astounding variety (and synthesis) of styles. On the Dangerous album alone, Jackson moves from New Jack Swing to classical, hip hop to gospel, R&B to industrial, funk to rock. It was music without borders or barriers, and it resonated across the globe. However, it wasn't until Jackson's death in 2009 that he finally began to engender more respect and appreciation from the intelligentsia. It is one of humanity's strange habits to only truly appreciate genius once it's gone. Still, in spite of the renewed interest, the easy dismissals and disparity in serious print coverage remains. As a competitor on par with the legendary Muhammad Ali, Michael Jackson wouldn't be satisfied. His goal was to prove that a black artist could do everything a white artist could (and more). He wanted to move beyond every boundary, earn every recognition, break every record, and achieve artistic immortality ("That is why to escape death," he said, "I bind my soul to my work"). The point of his ambition wasn't money and fame; it was respect. As he boldly proclaimed in his 1991 hit, "Black or White," "I had to tell them I ain't second to none." The Misunderstood Power of Michael Jackson's Music - Joseph Vogel - Entertainment - The Atlantic

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Reply #498 posted 04/23/12 10:47am

alphastreet

Vanilli said:

I thought the guy who directed "Who Is It" won a contest on MTV to do that? Or was the contest just for coming up with the plot? And someone else would direct it?

Yeah that's true, it was for the mashup video. There were top 5 or 10 videos michael liked, and one of them became the mashup one, the US version.

Reply #499 posted 04/25/12 10:14am

NaughtyKitty

Jimmy Jam Talks about Working with Michael & Janet Jackson

Speaking of Michael Jackson, what can you share about working with him on HIStory (1995)?

Michael was amazing. I can’t think of a studio moment that blew us away more than the first time he got in front of a microphone on “Scream.” It was really funny. First of all, when we put that track together, I had Janet come to Minneapolis. I just said, “I need you to be here for inspiration.” So Terry and I put together four or five different tracks, and for one of the tracks, Janet said, “I hope he doesn’t like this one, because I want this one for me.” And another one of the tracks, she said, “This is the one he’s going to like, I know my brother.”

So we go to the Hit Factory in New York. We played all these tracks, and when the track that ended up being “Scream” came on, he said, “Yeah I like that.” Janet said, “I told you that’s the one he was going to like! I’m so glad he didn’t like that other track.” Well, the other track ended up being “Runaway,” her single from Design of a Decade. I actually thought that track would’ve been a great duet for them, but Michael wanted to be real aggressive and real hard. He had things on his mind about how he felt he was being treated in the press. And the track for “Scream” was sonically perfect for what he wanted to do lyrically.

When he went into the studio, the idea was that he was going to sing it first and then Janet would go in and sing after him. So Janet’s sitting there, me and Terry are sitting there, and Michael goes in. Before he sings, he’s just real calm and quiet, “Can you turn my headphones up a little bit?” Then all of a sudden the music comes on and he starts dancing around the room, hitting all his signature moves. And he’s like, wearing a bracelet or something while clapping — you’re not really supposed to do that when you’re on the mic, but it didn’t even matter. When it was over, I swear to God, it was just silence in the room. He said, “How was that?” We’re like, “Yeah, that sounded really good.” And I turned and looked at Janet and she said to me, “I’ll just do my vocal in Minneapolis.” It was like, “I’m not going to do my vocal right now.” Obviously he just killed it, right? [laughs]

So we go to Minneapolis with Janet, where she does a great job on her vocal. We send it to Michael, he goes, “Wow, Janet sounds great. Where did she record that vocal?” I said it was in Minneapolis. “I’m coming to Minneapolis.” So Michael comes to Minneapolis to re-record his vocal, and it was a real glimpse into his competitive nature. It didn’t even matter that it was his sister. It was just like, “No. I have to redo it. She did hers, I have to redo mine.” It was just crazy, his competitiveness even with his own sister. But it was that drive for perfection. And the original vocal he did in New York ended up being probably 90 percent of the vocal on the final song.

That’s pretty unique that you’ve had opportunities to work with both Prince and Michael Jackson.

It was great too, working with Prince and working with Michael, they were polar opposites in the way they worked. Prince would walk in the studio at the beginning of the day and he’d walk out with “1999,” done. Michael, we’d spend a day just on the volume of the handclaps. I mean, literally. And we’d turn them up and he’d say, “Okay, I’ll come back tomorrow and we’ll listen to it again.” We come back the next day, and he’d go, “Can we turn that up just a little more?” Yes, we turn it up. “Okay, make me a tape.” Okay. “I’ll come back tomorrow and we’ll listen again.” I mean, it was literally like that. But that was, you know, learning from people like Quincy Jones, people who were very meticulous about what they did.

What was Michael like on a personal level?

Michael was married to Lisa Marie Presley at the time we were working with him. And I remember my wife asking Lisa what attracted her to Michael. She looked at my wife and just said, “He’s the kindest man I’ve ever known.” And I remember thinking the same thing after working with him. Just a nice dude.

That reminds me, we used to get into these big, long conversations. And Michael would pick my brain about stuff, always curious about everything. He said to me, “Jimmy, how do you want to be remembered?” I asked him what he meant. “When people talk about you after you’re gone, how do you want to be remembered?” And I said, “I want to be remembered as a nice guy.” Michael goes, “No, I mean, as a producer, how many number one songs,” you know, whatever, whatever. I just said, “Michael, those are statistics. I don’t want someone to say ‘Oh yeah, that Jimmy Jam, he had a bunch of number one hits.’ I just want them to say, ‘Jimmy Jam, he was a nice guy.’”

Fast forward about a year later. We needed to get a sample cleared and he was the only one who could clear it. I ended up having to call him directly. I said, “Michael, how are you?” He said, “I’m good. I know you wanted to ask me something, but before that, can I just tell you something?” I said sure. He said, “Remember what you said about how you want to be remembered?” I said yes. “Well, every time someone asks me about you, I just say, ‘Jimmy Jam, he’s the nicest guy.’” And I said, “Great! You get it now, Michael?” And he said, “I totally get it.”

At the end of the day, after all the talent and all the groundbreaking stuff he did, he was just simply a nice guy. He was one of the nicest people I’ve met and worked with ever.

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Reply #500 posted 04/25/12 10:28am

alphastreet

No wonder I became crazy about Janet after Scream came out! And same with some of my mj fan friends at the time who went NUTS for Runaway! That song reminds me a little of Escapade slowed down and MJ like background layered vocals now that they mention it

Reply #501 posted 04/25/12 10:36am

dag

excited excited excited excited excited excited excited excited Look what I've found. More of my all time favourite Mj interview.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #502 posted 04/25/12 11:01am

dag

Where is the performace at 1:26 from?

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #503 posted 04/25/12 4:55pm

alphastreet

Ughhh freaking interview!
Reply #504 posted 04/25/12 9:32pm

Dren5

In the spirit of honesty?

I haaaate the "Living with Michael Jackson" interview.

All of it. Like, every last drop.

Actually I hate most MJ interviews. They always went shitty if you think about it. Between the interviewer asking dumb or weird shit, and Michael giving dumb or weird answers and acting funny...it's just always a disaster.

Probably the best shit that came out wasn't an interview, but like the home movie footage that Michael narrated in that special.

Reply #505 posted 04/25/12 9:36pm

alphastreet

Dren5 said:

In the spirit of honesty?

I haaaate the "Living with Michael Jackson" interview.

All of it. Like, every last drop.

Actually I hate most MJ interviews. They always went shitty if you think about it. Between the interviewer asking dumb or weird shit, and Michael giving dumb or weird answers and acting funny...it's just always a disaster.

Probably the best shit that came out wasn't an interview, but like the home movie footage that Michael narrated in that special.

Someone I know was remembering mj's interview with Diane Sawyer and started saying he's normal and married after all, but was put off by how childish he was being....to tell you the truth, so was I. I like when he's cute and playful and funny and all, but that really was not the time for it and he invited the negative attention. I loved it in the Barbara Walters interview, his overseas ones and Private Home Videos though, and when he was being himself in speeches and with fans, and the quirks.

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Reply #506 posted 04/25/12 9:39pm

ViintageJunkiie

I never really cared for his interviews, unless they involved music. Everything else was pointless

Reply #507 posted 04/25/12 9:42pm

alphastreet

ViintageJunkiie said:

I never really cared for his interviews, unless they involved music. Everything else was pointless

Now those I love! All the interviews he did with black publications where he talked about his music, success, songwriting, inspiration, views on life, spirituality were amazing. That to me is the real mj and served as a huge inspiration to me.

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Reply #508 posted 04/25/12 9:44pm

Vanilli

Dren5 said:

In the spirit of honesty?

I haaaate the "Living with Michael Jackson" interview.

All of it. Like, every last drop.

Actually I hate most MJ interviews. They always went shitty if you think about it. Between the interviewer asking dumb or weird shit, and Michael giving dumb or weird answers and acting funny...it's just always a disaster.

Probably the best shit that came out wasn't an interview, but like the home movie footage that Michael narrated in that special.

Co-Sign

Didn't care for Oprah interview very much. 97 interview with Barb - Michael seemed way too manic like he took too many uppers or was just A LITTLE too jazzed about his son. LWMJ was a nightmare as was the Ed Bradley interview post arrest. (Interesting and sad info about that one - it was taped Christmas day. What a sad Christmas morning that would have been for both of them. For MJ, having to spend Christmas living that nightmare and for Ed, for having to spend his Christmas interviewing someone going through the worst period in their life, to date.)

The only exceptions to the interviews being shitty were...95 Prime Time and the Private Home Movies (which wasn't an interview as much as it was a special that was edited.)

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Reply #509 posted 04/25/12 9:51pm

alphastreet

Vanilli said:

Dren5 said:

In the spirit of honesty?

I haaaate the "Living with Michael Jackson" interview.

All of it. Like, every last drop.

Actually I hate most MJ interviews. They always went shitty if you think about it. Between the interviewer asking dumb or weird shit, and Michael giving dumb or weird answers and acting funny...it's just always a disaster.

Probably the best shit that came out wasn't an interview, but like the home movie footage that Michael narrated in that special.

Co-Sign

Didn't care for Oprah interview very much. 97 interview with Diane - Michael seemed way too manic like he took too many uppers or was just A LITTLE too jazzed about his son. LWMJ was a nightmare as was the Ed Bradley interview post arrest. (Interesting and sad info about that one - it was taped Christmas day. What a sad Christmas morning that would have been for both of them. For MJ, having to spend Christmas living that nightmare and for Ed, for having to spend his Christmas interviewing someone going through the worst period in their life, to date.)

The only exceptions to the interviews being shitty were...95 Prime Time and the Private Home Movies (which wasn't an interview as much as it was a special that was edited.)

I think Diane Sawyer was shitty to him though it was a shitty interview too. She had more sympathy for Whitney and could have shown more compassion for Michael.

He was so hyper during Barbara Walters, for years I would imitate him in that interview cause I myself get pretty manic at any given moment and thought it was cute and quirky. Every time he would go "I woke up" in a sad soft voice and then loudly clear his voice before becoming soft again, I would burst out laughing so hard and still quote it for old times sake. Even a few hours after his death I was in a state of shock unable to cry, just numb and dazed and a few hours later, I got giddy and started just blabbering about nonsense starting with that.

I forgot about that awful Ed Bradley interview, poor michael sad and RIP Ed. I really wish he didn't do that interview either....I forgot all about Geraldo, that was okay although I cringed at him fooling people with recording the already released Beautiful Girl and since then I slowly began to see that sometimes michael needed fans just as much as we needed him lol

Reply #510 posted 04/25/12 11:19pm

Dren5

Vanilli said:

Dren5 said:

In the spirit of honesty?

I haaaate the "Living with Michael Jackson" interview.

All of it. Like, every last drop.

Actually I hate most MJ interviews. They always went shitty if you think about it. Between the interviewer asking dumb or weird shit, and Michael giving dumb or weird answers and acting funny...it's just always a disaster.

Probably the best shit that came out wasn't an interview, but like the home movie footage that Michael narrated in that special.

Co-Sign

Didn't care for Oprah interview very much. 97 interview with Barb - Michael seemed way too manic like he took too many uppers or was just A LITTLE too jazzed about his son. LWMJ was a nightmare as was the Ed Bradley interview post arrest. (Interesting and sad info about that one - it was taped Christmas day. What a sad Christmas morning that would have been for both of them. For MJ, having to spend Christmas living that nightmare and for Ed, for having to spend his Christmas interviewing someone going through the worst period in their life, to date.)

The only exceptions to the interviews being shitty were...95 Prime Time and the Private Home Movies (which wasn't an interview as much as it was a special that was edited.)

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I didn't even watch the Oprah interview until years later - the night it aired I went to bed instead because I was like a kid and I was scared he was gonna say he had a girlfriend or something and my little teen heart couldn't have taken that at the time. falloff

But it really did suck, it sucked ass - not as badly as most of the interviews that came in later years, but it was just really awkward, there was something really stiff about it.

The PrimeTime Live interview is almost as cringeworthy to me as LWMJ was. Michael was overdoing it and hamming it up too much and I was kinda cringing through the whole thing. And Lisa Marie looked annoyed by how he was acting and by the whole interview in general and I don't blame her lol

Reply #511 posted 04/26/12 8:09am

HAPPYPERSON

speaking of MJ's interviews here's an award winning professional body language analysist by the name of Craig Baxxter who analysis all of MJ's body language during his interviews. he also analysist different criminal cases and things like that very interesting.

Reply #512 posted 04/26/12 9:30am

dag

Thanks Happyperson for posting these. I've come across them on youtube and never actually bothered watching them. They're really good.

I think the reason why some MJ interviews come off as awkward is that journalist ask him the stupidest, most intrusive questions that they would never ask anyone else. Mike has to answer them knowing the whole world is watching AND judging. That would make anyone uncomfortable and when you are uncomfortable, you act a bit animated and weird.

I love his interviews. The more intelligent they are, the more relaxed Mike is, so naturally when the interview is just about music, Mike acts naturally, but when they start asking him if he molests kids, really has sex with his wives and other bs, no wonder he's all freaking out.

But I really like the OUTTAKES from the Bashit interviews where they talked about normal things. The documentary itself was painful to watch, cause it was full of idiotic questions. "You really prefer climbging trees to having sex?" rolleyes

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #513 posted 04/26/12 9:46am

mjscarousal

Thanks Happyperson, GREAT videos and interesting commentary from the expert.

dag said:

Thanks Happyperson for posting these. I've come across them on youtube and never actually bothered watching them. They're really good.

I think the reason why some MJ interviews come off as awkward is that journalist ask him the stupidest, most intrusive questions that they would never ask anyone else. Mike has to answer them knowing the whole world is watching AND judging. That would make anyone uncomfortable and when you are uncomfortable, you act a bit animated and weird.

I love his interviews. The more intelligent they are, the more relaxed Mike is, so naturally when the interview is just about music, Mike acts naturally, but when they start asking him if he molests kids, really has sex with his wives and other bs, no wonder he's all freaking out.

But I really like the OUTTAKES from the Bashit interviews where they talked about normal things. The documentary itself was painful to watch, cause it was full of idiotic questions. "You really prefer climbging trees to having sex?" rolleyes

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I definitly agree with this. Thats why I dont know why people reacted so surprised at Michaels responces to those questions. Like seriously, how would you react if someone asked you if you have sex with your WIFE or if you have ever molested any children? eek

Michael was a global star but alot of the questions that was asked of him were very disrespectful and inappropiate.

Reply #514 posted 04/26/12 11:26am

alphastreet

The Bashir interview ruined everything for him tbh. I remember the mixed reactions, a lot of people said he's sick, and others who were non-fans felt sorry for him and could see that he was set up and letting Bashir talk to him like that and not getting why. It was such a depressing time to be a fan, seeing him go through that though I was also really mad at him for not focusing on music and on trying too hard to be liked when there was no need to go out of the way and go the reality show route. I understand he had issues with Sony too, but it was all really a big mess. The middle of 2003 got calm for a bit but then we all know what happened, ugh. And honestly? After that, I was so sad everyday praying he would be okay and for a not guilty verdict, I got too emotionally involved in that mess to get away from my own.

I don't think I want to watch those videos, what happens in them?

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Reply #515 posted 04/26/12 2:04pm

HAPPYPERSON

Students Are Now Learning The Truth About MJ in College -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message From David (one of the Admin. from the Vindicate MJ Website) Today I met with a professor who is teaching her college students about MJ! Her name is Martha Gallien, and she teaches criminology and sociology here in Texas. We met for around 2 hours and talked about MJ, what she thought about him before and after his death, what her students think about her, and other topics. She is making her students read “MJ Conspiracy” & they must write a book report on it! In another class, her students are given extra credit assignments that they can do on MJ if they choose. She always liked his music, but was too busy with working and raising her family to follow his life closely while he was alive. After he died, she became very curious about him, and was disgusted at what she discovered! In Sept. 2010, she flew to Cali to attend the Frozen In Time seminar, where Mesereau, Zonen, Feldman, & others spoke about the MJ cases. She met with William Wagener afterwards and taped an interview for YT where she describes what she heard there. http://www.youtube.com/wa...Nks9S4IuO4 I will work with her to give her additional material that she can assign to her class to read, such as books and articles. Her students are very excited about learning about MJ, and many have decided to study MJ even after taking her course! Many minds have been changed! They love watching the “What Did Happen To Michael Jackson?” series on YT! Via word of mouth, enrollment in her classes has skyrocketed due to MJ! Minds are being changed about MJ! We will meet again in a few weeks and I’ll keep you guys updated! http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gmh4du
Reply #516 posted 04/26/12 2:05pm

petes2

alphastreet said:

The Bashir interview ruined everything for him tbh. I remember the mixed reactions, a lot of people said he's sick, and others who were non-fans felt sorry for him and could see that he was set up and letting Bashir talk to him like that and not getting why. It was such a depressing time to be a fan, seeing him go through that though I was also really mad at him for not focusing on music and on trying too hard to be liked when there was no need to go out of the way and go the reality show route. I understand he had issues with Sony too, but it was all really a big mess. The middle of 2003 got calm for a bit but then we all know what happened, ugh. And honestly? After that, I was so sad everyday praying he would be okay and for a not guilty verdict, I got too emotionally involved in that mess to get away from my own.

I don't think I want to watch those videos, what happens in them?

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I don't really blame him so much as the people around him, he should have had smart people in position to put a stop to that shit. And I guess, being the veteran he was, he should have known how journalists above all want a scoop, they don't care for morality, immorality or anything else. It was all downhill from there, the family in the vid smelled money and here we are years later with a dead hero. If I saw bashir I'd go to jail for kicking his ass, I swear I would.

Reply #517 posted 04/26/12 2:30pm

alphastreet

petes2 said:

alphastreet said:

The Bashir interview ruined everything for him tbh. I remember the mixed reactions, a lot of people said he's sick, and others who were non-fans felt sorry for him and could see that he was set up and letting Bashir talk to him like that and not getting why. It was such a depressing time to be a fan, seeing him go through that though I was also really mad at him for not focusing on music and on trying too hard to be liked when there was no need to go out of the way and go the reality show route. I understand he had issues with Sony too, but it was all really a big mess. The middle of 2003 got calm for a bit but then we all know what happened, ugh. And honestly? After that, I was so sad everyday praying he would be okay and for a not guilty verdict, I got too emotionally involved in that mess to get away from my own.

I don't think I want to watch those videos, what happens in them?

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I don't really blame him so much as the people around him, he should have had smart people in position to put a stop to that shit. And I guess, being the veteran he was, he should have known how journalists above all want a scoop, they don't care for morality, immorality or anything else. It was all downhill from there, the family in the vid smelled money and here we are years later with a dead hero. If I saw bashir I'd go to jail for kicking his ass, I swear I would.

I agree the people in his life were toxic and that's how he got into this huge mess, but he also had to take responsibility and that's the sad truth, though it's terrible what they all did to him, and they killed him first.

Reply #518 posted 04/26/12 7:25pm

thesexofit

Jacksons "Bashir" interview has the distiction in the UK as being one of the last "Most watched" specials ever on TV. Outside of sports and soaps, interviews and specials like Jacksons interview just dont get those viewing figures anymore. It was a huge event in the UK and everyone was talking about it the next day.

Infact, in the UK, Jackson came off more of a victim then anything thanks to the smarmy Bashir. He was hated after this interview and fled to the US. Jackson was still foolish to ever hire the man though, and blamed Uri Geller for introducing him to him.

Personally, out of all the interviews he has done publicly, this one was the closest you got to see the real him. He generally seemed not happy, and was in complete denial about how many surgeries he had on his face which made him look completely stupid. Otherwise it was still a fascinating, if rather horrible documentary, particually as Gavin was featured in it too, which would of course put the doc in a new light after the trial.....

Reply #519 posted 04/26/12 7:46pm

alphastreet

Very poor choice.

Reply #520 posted 04/26/12 9:45pm

petes2

thesexofit said:

Jacksons "Bashir" interview has the distiction in the UK as being one of the last "Most watched" specials ever on TV. Outside of sports and soaps, interviews and specials like Jacksons interview just dont get those viewing figures anymore. It was a huge event in the UK and everyone was talking about it the next day.

Infact, in the UK, Jackson came off more of a victim then anything thanks to the smarmy Bashir. He was hated after this interview and fled to the US. Jackson was still foolish to ever hire the man though, and blamed Uri Geller for introducing him to him.

Personally, out of all the interviews he has done publicly, this one was the closest you got to see the real him. He generally seemed not happy, and was in complete denial about how many surgeries he had on his face which made him look completely stupid. Otherwise it was still a fascinating, if rather horrible documentary, particually as Gavin was featured in it too, which would of course put the doc in a new light after the trial.....

interesting, didn't know that about the uk. I do know that they seemed to totally be oblivious to americas issues with certain black celebrities. Muhammad Ali is well loved over there, inspite of all the "racist" things he said here in america, I'd say a good portion of the public still hates him for the draft thing and his former militancy. Michael was always fascinating, my best friend said after the Bashir interview, as we laughed at the whole thing "he's still the most interesting motherfucker". He looked bad at many junctures and should have known better by those points in his career as to how he would be percieved and how the media works. But you know, I actually like his early print interviews, he could say really insightful stuff and was still as much in touch as could be expected. The whole stardom thing warps anyone it touches, not just michael, and all stars seem to be really, really deluded about their images.

Reply #521 posted 04/27/12 4:24am

missfee

I smell a scheme to extort money....

Michael Jackson’s Former Bodyguard Claims Blanket Is His Son

by Renee Morad | April 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM | General

(AP Photo/Joel Ryan)

Michael Jackson’s former bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, claims he is the biological father to Jackson’s 10-year-old son Prince Michael II. What’s more, he’s launching a legal bid to prove it.

Fiddes said the late Jackson told him, “He’s my child, Matt, but I used your sperm to produce him,” according to Contact Music. The former bodyguard claimed that he gave Jackson his sperm in 2001 at a London hotel after Jackson told Fiddes, a martial arts expert, that he wanted an “athletic child.”

Blanket, which is the name Prince Michael II goes by, was born a year later.

“Michael is their father and I do not want that to change, but I want the children back in my life,” Fiddes said. He added that the only way that’s going to happen is by taking legal action. “I think Blanket is mine but I want final proof,” he said.

Fiddes is the father of three other children. “I just want access,” he said as he explained the motivation behind his battle for visitation rights.

disbelief

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
Reply #522 posted 04/27/12 5:08am

smoothcriminal12

Did everyone's sperm make these kids? lol

Reply #523 posted 04/27/12 5:18am

alphastreet

smoothcriminal12 said:

Did everyone's sperm make these kids? lol

If Dr. Klein's sperm was Prince's, that would make Debbie and Dr. Klein employees who did that lol

In all seriousness though, I thought that was the stupidest shit, and even more so when Mark Lester gave his two cents.

Reply #524 posted 04/27/12 6:08am

dag

missfee said:

I smell a scheme to extort money....

Michael Jackson’s Former Bodyguard Claims Blanket Is His Son

by Renee Morad | April 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM | General

(AP Photo/Joel Ryan)

Michael Jackson’s former bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, claims he is the biological father to Jackson’s 10-year-old son Prince Michael II. What’s more, he’s launching a legal bid to prove it.

Fiddes said the late Jackson told him, “He’s my child, Matt, but I used your sperm to produce him,” according to Contact Music. The former bodyguard claimed that he gave Jackson his sperm in 2001 at a London hotel after Jackson told Fiddes, a martial arts expert, that he wanted an “athletic child.”

Blanket, which is the name Prince Michael II goes by, was born a year later.

“Michael is their father and I do not want that to change, but I want the children back in my life,” Fiddes said. He added that the only way that’s going to happen is by taking legal action. “I think Blanket is mine but I want final proof,” he said.

Fiddes is the father of three other children. “I just want access,” he said as he explained the motivation behind his battle for visitation rights.

disbelief

It¨s been over here in tabloids already. Pathetic really. Can't belive that guy has the nerve to say that. Have you seen him? lol

Blanket is Michael's clone. Just look at that picture.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #525 posted 04/27/12 8:17am

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

missfee said:

I smell a scheme to extort money....

Michael Jackson’s Former Bodyguard Claims Blanket Is His Son

by Renee Morad | April 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM | General

(AP Photo/Joel Ryan)

Michael Jackson’s former bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, claims he is the biological father to Jackson’s 10-year-old son Prince Michael II. What’s more, he’s launching a legal bid to prove it.

Fiddes said the late Jackson told him, “He’s my child, Matt, but I used your sperm to produce him,” according to Contact Music. The former bodyguard claimed that he gave Jackson his sperm in 2001 at a London hotel after Jackson told Fiddes, a martial arts expert, that he wanted an “athletic child.”

Blanket, which is the name Prince Michael II goes by, was born a year later.

“Michael is their father and I do not want that to change, but I want the children back in my life,” Fiddes said. He added that the only way that’s going to happen is by taking legal action. “I think Blanket is mine but I want final proof,” he said.

Fiddes is the father of three other children. “I just want access,” he said as he explained the motivation behind his battle for visitation rights.

disbelief

Awww haaaaaayle naw...

disbelief

Blanket is Michael's baby.

If this muhfugga is the father, I might as well claim I'm Blanket's natural mother. lol

Don't tell y'all don't see it. lol

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The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #526 posted 04/27/12 8:28am

HAPPYPERSON

Et Tu, Brutus? If you stop telling lies about Michael Jackson, we will stop telling the truth about you. Matt Fiddes Michael Jackson Lies Over Blanket’s Biology Posted on April 19, 2012 9 Even journalists like CNN's Alan Duke have acknowledged the resemblance. - October 19th 1999 - Matt Fiddes stages a show at his martial arts center using a Michael Jackson impersonator, but someone reports to the press that it was Michael, “When asked why Jackson would have a yen for Barnstaple, Regan surmised, “Michael is keen on karate, and it could be [him] because world martial arts champion Matt Fiddes is friends with Uri Geller, and Geller is friends with Michael.” It was a claim his people denied, as he had been in Los Angeles the entire time. It turned out to be the MJ impersonator Navi. - March 4-7th 2001 – Michael flies in to London to give a speech at Oxford University, Matt claims he first works for Michael here. - June 11th-18th 2002 - Michael flies in to London and Uri Geller asks his friend Matt Fiddes to work as one of Michael’s bodyguards during the Exeter City event. Michael was not his employer and did not pay him, Fiddes wanted to work for Michael for free, as Matt has said himself. (Geller famously sold his friend Michael Jackson to Martin Bashir for a reported $200,000k.). - During his speech Michael gives thanks to David Blaine, Patti Boulaye, Uri Geller and then has to be reminded what Matt Fiddes name was. - August 22nd 2002 - In an article about Michael’s July visit to London, Uri Geller says that Michael generously bought toys for Matt Fiddes’ children: “I was with him in the toy department when a bodyguard mentioned his two step-children – that guy is a world champion kick-boxer, with the muscles to match the belts, but it took him three trips to get all his packages down to the cars. Somewhere in Devon, two kids own every fragment of Star Wars merchandise on the market.” - January 16th 2008 - Sells a story to The Sun about his friendship with Michael, using one of the public photos MJ took with him back in 2002. Although Uri Geller had said it had taken 3 shopping trips to take the stuff Michael had bought Matt’s children home in 2002, Matt claims here that his kids only, “came home with just a few bits and pieces.” - 11th August 2008 - Matt Fiddes sues his friend Tito Jackson over a loan he claims he gave Tito of $20,000k, claiming Tito still owes him, “£12,051.20.” Tito can’t even keep the 20 pence, Matt? - November 2008 - The documentary “The Jacksons Are Coming” is aired, featuring the Jackson family visiting the UK and considering buying a home in Devon, England. Matt Fiddes makes himself available as a local guide on the basis of his previous tenuous association with MJ. Reports on the doc from the Daily Mail: “Tito recalls: ‘Matt started to get in more and more shots, and didn’t want this or that person to be involved because it would take away from his screen time. ‘Jane Preston, the documentary-maker, wanted to show the public what it was like to be me without the showbusiness and the bodyguards, but he wanted to do all that because it got him camera time with his boys wearing his karate jackets. Everything he did was to get publicity.” Certainly, the documentary appears to back Tito’s side of the story, particularly when it emerges, during the course of filming, that Matt was engineering press opportunities during their stay.” - 22nd November 2008 - Tito Jackson responds to Matt Fiddes’ lawsuit against him, “Some people want to be seen in your company and want to piggyback on your 40 years of hard work. I was supposed to have been godfather to two of his kids, but I cancelled that, because I can’t be a godfather if I can’t even get along with the father.” - 3rd July 2009 - Just over a week since his best friend’s death, Matt sells stories to the tabloids about Michael’s addiction to drugs, saying he and Uri Geller were forced out of Michael’s world because of this. In reality, Michael had cut off contact with Uri after he had been the one to sell him on to Bashir, and as Matt was only a friend to Uri, Michael no longer needed to use him as an umbrella holder on his London visits. Michael returned to the UK in 2006 and 2009 and Matt Fiddes was nowhere to be seen either time. It should also be noted at this time that if he believed Michael to be such a drug addict, why would he not be concerned about Blanket Jackson’s safety around Michael? - 6th July 2009 - In an article in People magazine where it’s reported that Katherine has banned MJ hanger-ons from attending the memorial, Matt coincidentally says that he and Uri Geller did not receive any invites to the MJ Memorial. “among those yet to receive invites are Uri Geller and UK bodyguard Matt Fiddes. Matt said: “We haven’t received any tickets yet in the UK. I’m hearing it’s the same for many of Michael’s friends here.” -19th July 2009 - Matt Fiddes speaks to People.co.uk, where he says MJ spoke often of death and dying and had considered freezing himself or having a clone made using his sperm. “Eventually when he realised these choices were not likely to be available to him in his own life time he did mention freezing his sperm. He liked the idea that in theory his ‘life force’ could be around for hundreds of years and be released at the flick of a switch.” - 9th August 2009 - Matt goes on Sky News to back up Mark Lester’s story about being Paris’ father (Paris says she is biracial and Michael’s daughter; Lester also previously gave an interview in 2001 where he had said he had not spoken to MJ since the 80s before they got back in touch through Geller in 2001, Paris was conceived in 1997). Incidentally, Uri Geller is good friends with Mark Lester, Matt Fiddes, Shmuley Boteach, Deepak Chopra and was the one who introduced MJ to Bashir for a fee. I’m sure it’s a coincidence that so many who went on to exploit their association with MJ are all associated with Geller and each other. No mention of him being the father of Blanket here. - 28th Jan 2010 -Matt Fiddes alleges the Jacksons move to Devon was a “stunt”, but is forced to admit that, “he was instrumental in concocting the bogus story, which he claims was intended to earn Tito money and help revive his career.” - 4th April 2010 - Someone asks MJ’s bodyguards — who worked for Michael from 2007-2009, including on his visits to Vegas and London – on facebook what their thoughts were on Matt Fiddes; they can be added to the list of people who did not know who he was. - 10th June 2010 - Matt is ordered to pay Channel 4′s legal costs of $14,000 - 22nd June 2010 - The day before his trial was due to begin, he drops his lawsuit against Channel 4 because, Fiddes “had submitted what he claimed to be “a highly relevant and significant document” to the court. He claimed that the new evidence had only recently been discovered, but the defendants alleged that the document was a forgery, leading to Fiddes withdrawing his fakery allegations and the case collapsing.” He was forced to admit that he, “publicly acknowledges that the programme was not “faked” as he has previously claimed and has today withdrawn his allegations of malice.” Mr Bellamy said Channel 4 would not chase Mr Fiddes for its £1.7 million cost because, they said, the self professed millionaire would “simply not in a position to pay” . Stephen Lambert, chief executive of the documentary production company, described Fiddes as “vainglorious” and “a fame-seeking fantasist”. Ms Preston said that Fiddes’s “smears and scurrilous accusations” had devastated her professional life and career for nearly two years. Katherine Jackson released a statement in which she said: “‘Fiddes tried to pretend that he was a close friend of my son Michael, but when I spoke to Michael about him, he could not remember who he was. The whole family was deeply upset by the interviews he gave shortly after Michael’s death, which no friend would have done.’ “After that, Fiddes wrote to my son Tito and said that if we gave evidence against him on behalf of Jane and the others, then we would regret it. We decided we were going to come and tell the truth about him anyway. You have to stand up to people like this.” - 25th September 2010 - Matt Fidde’s publicist Max Markson (who claims Matt was there when Michael held Blanket over a balcony in Germany in 2002 – Matt was not there) tweets to his followers: “Lol!! @Mario_Pettinato. It could be a big Michael Jackson week this week !!! Go google MATT FIDDES …he’ll be in Sydney+Melb this week! 1:40 AM Sep 25th @Mario_Pettinato I think it’ll be the other way round ! He’ll need my protection by the time he gets here !!” This is interesting considering that Matt claims he was forced into coming forward. - 26th September 2010 - Matt Fiddes allegedly sells his story to News Of The World, where he claims to be Blanket Jackson’s father. He claims he was offered £500,000 ($1,000,000) by Michael for his precious “athletic” seed, but that he turned it down. I’m sure he turned down all payments for selling these stories too, what a guy. Matt claims it was Mark Lester who told Matt he was the father of Blanket in 2003. Matt says here he has no concrete evidence to prove he is the father and that Michael never told him that he was. He says that Michael only asked for his sperm after he heard that Matt was infertile (infertile men are always at the top of my list when it comes to sperm donors), and that Michael was only going to use this sperm to test it for Matt (so why claim he offered him money? Who pays someone to have their sperm tested for them? Was Michael hoping it would lead to a cancer break through?). He’s suggesting here that Michael stole his sperm and used it himself. He claims he visited a hotel in London 3 times in March/April 2001 to have his sperm tested (yes, he seems to believe this is how it’s done) – Michael was not in London in April 2001. He says that he and Mark Lester are planning on launching a case for custody against the Jacksons if Katherine passes, so that they can have custody over Michael’s biological children. - 26th September 2010 - Michael’s make up artist Karen Faye says of Matt on her twitter, “I am repulsed by this man. He has run to the tabloids since the moment I met him in 2002. Him and Uri Geller creep me out.” - 27th September 2010 - Allegedly sells his story to TMZ where he claims that he was forced to come forward because documents from his channel 4 lawsuit, which did not involve either Blanket or Michael, let alone any personal details relating to the Jacksons at all, revealed that he was the father. I wonder if it was those documents he was alleged to have forged himself? Keep this in mind, because at this point he is now claiming he has legal proof about this, while at the same time also stating that “as far as I am concerned, Michael Jackson is the father,” and that, “If anything happened to Mrs. Jackson, I think Tito Jackson and his sons would be best suited to look after Michael’s children.” He adds, “I don’t want to create a war with the Jacksons again about something so private.” That was a quick custody battle. To prove that this is a matter he is being forced into, he generously supplies TMZ with a photo of himself as a child for them to compare against Blanket: As TMZ reports, “ehh…” They asked their viewers if there was a resemblance to which they responded: He also says, “I’ve seen pictures of Blanket in a karate suit with a ponytail, which is the sort of thing Michael would do, he’s a joker, y’know, and things, and he likes to create things and create perfection.” It should be noted that Blanket Jackson was only seen wearing a karate outfit after Michael Jackson had passed away, so Michael had nothing to do with playing any practical jokes on anyone. Also should be noted that ponytail’s aren’t a genetic trait. Matt says, “And I’ve had to come clean to my friends when I realized the story was going to break so I lied to them and denied it to protect Michael’s privacy that I donated sperm.” He had to come clean so then he lied to them? Is he telling on himself here? And then finally, any reasons to make these claims? “I’ve got no reasons to make any claims on that.” What happened to the court docs? To Mark Lester telling him? To those 3 occasions where he jerked off into a cup for a doctor in a hotel room in London? - 10th October 2010- In a statement released on his own website, he once again asserts that he was forced to come forward because of court documents. Which court case? Which documents? Which national paper? Alleged forged documents relating to him being a “fame seeking fantasist” in the Channel 4 case that didn’t involve Michael? Documents where he has petitioned for a DNA test? Does he realize what would be involved in such a petition? Strange that The News Of The World, TMZ and neither any other news site that he has spoken to of his own volition has ever mentioned, heard, or leaked these documents. It’s because these documents do not exist. He says once again on words on his own website, “I have never said I am Blanket Jacksons father, nor has Michael told me this, the only person he confirmed it to is Mark Lester his best friend.” His defense for why Katherine said Michael did not know who he was is, “Sadly Katherine Jackson does not know the history between Michael and myself as was due to watch 90 mins of private footage of Michael and I supplied by my best friend Uri Geller. As bodyguards changed in 2001 and I first got to know her in 2008.” 90mins of Michael standing under your umbrella (eh eh eh) in 2002 sound riveting. Forget Kath, I’m sure if Michael had seen this footage he would have remembered who you were, too. - 17th November 2010 - Matt Fiddes claims that in 2 months (January 2011) he will be flying out to California to take a DNA test with Mark Lester in order to establish that they are the father’s of Michael’s biological children. This threat never materializes. - 3rd December 2010 - Matt allegedly sells another story about Michael, this time claiming that the stress of putting himself forward as Blanket Jackson’s delusional father caused him to take an overdose of the same drugs Michael died from and that they were found in Michael’s body. Touching story, except Michael Jackson did not die from Soma tablets, none were found in his possession, none has ever been associated with him. The most amusing aspect of this story is that he claims he was prescribed 5 of these tablets by a Michael Jackson doctor (naturally, I’m sure it’s the same one he jacked off to) in 2002 and he’d stored them 8 years before finally using them. Soma aka Carisoprodol has a shelf life of 2 years, so I’d be curious as to what effects a drug that had expired 6 years before could do to a person, but maybe Matt could share that with us sometime. - 10th February 2012- Matt sends out a press release gushing about his new secret relationship with Z-list celeb Bianca Gascoigne. He claims once again that it was something they’d kept private but that it had been forced into the public domain. The papers were so amused by his press release, they released it on twitter. He obsessively tweeted about this relationship to “friends” and journalists for days, as well as obviously referencing his best friend Michael Jackson and the lesser I-haven’t-jizzed-in-a-cup-for-you-friends, Mark Lester and Uri Geller: Matt Fiddes @@AuraMayfair great club, n great security!Too much paparazzi! Bianca Gascoigne is used to it!I am used to pushing paps from Michael Jackson! Matt Fiddes @AuraMayfair best night out I had, thanks Jack Tweed n Bianca, amazing club! The UK’s top martial artist,n Amir top boxer in same club! Odd! Matt Fiddes @AuraMayfair Jack told me great things about your club and he is right! Amazing place! Made a change from Devon clubs n Neverland! Lol! Matt Fiddes @AmirKingKhan hey Amir, saw u in Aura on Wedbesday, I was with Bianca Gascoigne, sorry I never say hi, a we both at the top of our game! Matt Fiddes @BGascoigneFans I talked about this with B and I think we are going to do a kickboxing fitness DVD for xmas, she wants to do one, me too! Matt Fiddes @Ed_StarOnSunday rather do CNN then the jungle! Which has been offered to me and Mark Lester Matt Fiddes @Ed_StarOnSunday big brither qnt the truth on Nichaek Jackson,me Mark and maybe Uri Geller will doi it! Matt Fiddes @Ed_StarOnSunday fantasic! Bianca and should be ibit,b they akways wants jacksons gossip so me and Mark Lester would be right up for ir Ed! Matt Fiddes She has the Paul Gascoigne legacy hanging over her,just like I do MJ, n Uri Geller was very happy! yfrog.com/eslfvhfj Matt Fiddes Why would we not work? We both had unusual upbringings with me n MJ n my success,n her n Paul Gascoigne as a father. We never asked for fame Matt Fiddes No its not about the money,she never asked for a penny, she is thrusted into the limelight like me yfrog.com/ocm7ulaj Throughout all this Bianca Gascoigne fails to acknowledge him once, although she did manage to tweet: “@BiancaGascoigne #TEAMSINGLE“ It seems their love affair of the ages has ended as Matt has removed “boyfriend to Bianca Gascoigne” on his twitter bio (yes, he really did this), I guess they both succumbed to the pressures of their legacies, but I do sure hope they still get together for that Christmas fitness DVD. On his twitter he also said that he was selling a hat MJ had given him and donating the proceeds to charity, but then a few posts later says that the proceeds will go towards his own children: - 18th April 2012 - Once again, Matt sells a story to the Daily Star claiming that he is Blanket’s father and is demanding a DNA test and visitation rights. He claims now that Michael had told him he was the father in 2002 after he had held Blanket over the balcony (an event to which Matt was not present for, except perhaps in spirit), “I sat there and asked the question: “Is Blanket my child?” He said: “He’s my child, Matt, but I used your sperm to produce him.”, I’ll requote his own words from News Of The World just 2 years earlier: “I never asked Michael if Blanket was mine and he never told me.” And again on his own website 2 years ago, “I have never said I am Blanket Jacksons father, nor has Michael told me this, the only person he confirmed it to is Mark Lester his best friend.” He claims that he is going to fly out to LA in June to go ahead with all of this, and is now obsessively tweeting the Jackson family, including Michael’s children. Matt then proceeds to tweet links to all articles referencing this story on his twitter: I’m sure that’s a normal reaction to such a private intrusive story about your long lost child. Also interesting considering he’d previously declared this to be an account about his martial arts work: Though, it doesn’t stop him from again keeping his young martial arts students updated about his love life right after that, April 21st: - 18th April 2012- Matt Fidde’s ex girlfriend, Carly Galliford, launches an attack on Matt at twitter, saying he admitted to lying about being Blanket’s father to her, and had referred to the scheme as a “money maker.” Australia is where Matt first launched his media trip about this story in 2010. - How do we know Carly is his ex-girlfriend? He says so himself: ‏ Martin Hewlett responds and shares that he has also been physically and legally threatened by Matt: Martin Hewlett is a Taekwondo instructor who Matt had directed his attention towards on the 22nd of June 2011, demanding a “no rules cage fight” between the two to settle their differences, even though he admits they don’t know each other: Martin took that to mean “he wants to beat me up, a clear pre-meditated act of violence.” Which is an interesting position to take for Matt who advocates an anti-bullying campaign, NoMoreBull. Also interesting are his denials of drug use, when he has previously admitted publicly in a story to having taken the muscle-relaxant Carisoprodol 6 months prior to this. Maybe one of the side effects of that expired drug is memory loss. I highly anticipate this book and documentary starring him, I’m sure they’re working on the finishing touches right now. - 21st April 2012 He reveals the reason why he felt this was something he could lie about, he believes that Michael’s children aren’t “black” enough to be his, and therefore he could exploit them as he likely believed nobody would be able to tell him any different. As well as now claiming that MJ was infertile: That he thinks saying this is some kind of defense is pretty damning. I guess Matt didn’t hear that Michael’s autopsy proved he was actively producing sperm at the time of his death: The story that he was infertile came from an ex-boyfriend of Arnold Klein’s, Paul Gohranson, in a story he had sold before the autopsy was made public, proving him to be another liar too. What’s most interesting about this, is that on the 19th of July 2009, Matt claimed Michael had spoken to him about freezing his sperm for future use. “Eventually when he realised these choices were not likely to be available to him in his own life time he did mention freezing his sperm. He liked the idea that in theory his ‘life force’ could be around for hundreds of years and be released at the flick of a switch.” As well as: “When and where he might have frozen his sperm only a chosen few would know.” Suggesting he is one of the chosen few with knowledge about this. No mention of fertility problems there. Michael’s daughter Paris with Blanket last year: Does Matt, who claims to have been so close to MJ through the last 10 years, not recall meeting Michael’s biracial cousins, like Anthony Jackson? Is Matt Anthony’s father too, perhaps? Paris’ comments about whether or not she is mixed race: - 21st April 2012 Jackie Jackson’s daughter Brandi Jackson tweets: In response Matt says: For anyone who is unaware, as Matt obviously is, Brandi Jackson was the star of Michael’s LA Gear Commercial, can be seen sat with him in his 2300 Jackson Street video, starred in Black Or White with him, was with him on the set of Remember The Time and modeled with him in the LA Gear print commercials. She can also be heard picking up the phone for him here. Michael and Brandi and the "few times" they met. Now Matt’s claiming to have “practically lived” with Michael for 10 years. A couple of days spent holding his umbrella for free have turned into 10 years of practically living with him and nobody else in his life knowing about it. I wonder if he was the fan that Michael’s real bodyguards have said was caught living in Mike’s kitchen one time. Is he saying that court proceedings are already under way which is why he’s speaking about it? No court documents relating to this have ever been filed, there are no court reporters who have reported about this, it is only public because Matt has made it public. Executive TV Producer Jodi Gomes, who is a long time friend of the Jacksons and produced their reality TV series in 2009 as well as their 1992 TV series, also tweeted: - 24th April 2012 - Daily Star reports on how world martial arts expert Matt has told them that he has had to hire a bodyguard after a mob of supposedly 50 fans showed up outside his door this weekend, forcing him inside. I would’ve called the police if some 50 odd people turned up outside my door and not The Daily Star, but perhaps that’s just me. I also suggest he hire a full time bodyguard to restrain all the Daily Mail, News Of The World, TMZ, Daily Star and The Sun reporters who obviously camp outside his door all year for these intimate scoops he claims he does not leak himself and are the cause of such unwanted attention.

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Reply #527 posted 04/27/12 8:49am

dag

I wish there was law making such idiotic allegations a crime cause you are "hurting" someone with this so why should it be legal? I am sure the courts would have half the work they do if such law existed.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #528 posted 04/27/12 12:22pm

Rodney

Awww haaaaaayle naw...

disbelief

Blanket is Michael's baby.

If this muhfugga is the father, I might as well claim I'm Blanket's natural mother. lol

Don't tell y'all don't see it. lol

hmmm

Heey how you doin

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Reply #529 posted 04/27/12 12:40pm

alphastreet

LOL Wonder, I see it!

Reply #530 posted 04/27/12 4:04pm

Dren5

Everybody is getting way too riled up about the Blanket thing.

Trust me, it'll get about as far court-wise as that chick Billie Jean's claims did (that Michael fathered ONE of her identical twins). lol

Reply #531 posted 04/27/12 4:13pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Dren5 said:

Everybody is getting way too riled up about the Blanket thing.

Trust me, it'll get about as far court-wise as that chick Billie Jean's claims did (that Michael fathered ONE of her identical twins). lol

Oh you rememba her!!!!!???? lol

She was mental....money grubbin' wench that she was. But still....can't blame the sister. Wishin' Michael helped in conception. lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #532 posted 04/27/12 4:38pm

Timmy84

If Blanket's that dude's daddy, then Marvin Gaye is my real father. ohgoon

Reply #533 posted 04/27/12 10:08pm

mjscarousal

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Dren5 said:

Everybody is getting way too riled up about the Blanket thing.

Trust me, it'll get about as far court-wise as that chick Billie Jean's claims did (that Michael fathered ONE of her identical twins). lol

Oh you rememba her!!!!!???? lol

She was mental....money grubbin' wench that she was. But still....can't blame the sister. Wishin' Michael helped in conception. lol

lol You have a similiar features to blanket, nice eyes!

Reply #534 posted 04/27/12 10:14pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

mjscarousal said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Oh you rememba her!!!!!???? lol

She was mental....money grubbin' wench that she was. But still....can't blame the sister. Wishin' Michael helped in conception. lol

lol You have a similiar features to blanket, nice eyes!

Thanks doll! biggrin

C'mere girl!

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #535 posted 04/27/12 10:22pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

Rodney said:

Awww haaaaaayle naw...

disbelief

Blanket is Michael's baby.

If this muhfugga is the father, I might as well claim I'm Blanket's natural mother. lol

Don't tell y'all don't see it. lol

hmmm

Heey how you doin

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wave biggrin

alphastreet said:


LOL Wonder, I see it!

Yeah, Blanket is Michael and I's love child. That cute little black-arabic swirl from that magical night in the VIP room....touched

lol

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The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #536 posted 04/28/12 2:22am

EmeraldSkies

missfee said:

I smell a scheme to extort money....

Michael Jackson’s Former Bodyguard Claims Blanket Is His Son

by Renee Morad | April 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM | General

(AP Photo/Joel Ryan)

Michael Jackson’s former bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, claims he is the biological father to Jackson’s 10-year-old son Prince Michael II. What’s more, he’s launching a legal bid to prove it.

Fiddes said the late Jackson told him, “He’s my child, Matt, but I used your sperm to produce him,” according to Contact Music. The former bodyguard claimed that he gave Jackson his sperm in 2001 at a London hotel after Jackson told Fiddes, a martial arts expert, that he wanted an “athletic child.”

Blanket, which is the name Prince Michael II goes by, was born a year later.

“Michael is their father and I do not want that to change, but I want the children back in my life,” Fiddes said. He added that the only way that’s going to happen is by taking legal action. “I think Blanket is mine but I want final proof,” he said.

Fiddes is the father of three other children. “I just want access,” he said as he explained the motivation behind his battle for visitation rights.

disbelief

WTF!? just cause you yourself are athletic,does not mean that your abilities are going to be passed along through your sperm. Does he seriously expect people to believe that Michael thought that,that was how it worked? lol

Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach
Reply #537 posted 04/28/12 6:54pm

ThruTheEyesOfWonder

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
Reply #538 posted 04/28/12 11:12pm

Timmy84

It's funny how guys who don't look like they could resemble that child wanna claim that they delivered the seeds to create them... plus this isn't the first time Matt Fiddes had claimed "Blanket" was his biological son. It'll go away like the time Mark Lester claimed Prince and Paris were his kids.

Reply #539 posted 04/29/12 1:13am

dag

They do it just because they know they can get away with it and the only reason they can get away with it is that it concerns Michael Jackson. They would never dare to say it regarding anyone else's child.

You know speaking of the interviews earlier, after watching the body language alalysis, I thought about them for the first time coming from MJ's point of view and when you do it, you gotta feel sorry for him. As some said here, the early 80's interviews were wonderful, but the last ones were odd. But when you think of the questions they asked him back them compared to the questions they asked him later on, it's obvious why. There are some great interviews that Mj gave later on when he was asked interesting questions like the private conversation with Bret Rattner. But how must it felt when you give worldwide intreviews with questions touching either very painful and private stuff (Joseph, vitiligo), or very embarrassing stuff (whether he had or enjoyed sex plus being asked that in front of your wife who I am sure he loved very much at that time and she was brought into a very embarrassing situations just because he was sitting next to her. If it concerned anayone else, noone would ever asked her that. Plus seeing how disgusted they are and how they think she must be crazy to have slept with him as if you were the most disgusting thing in the world to be touched...) or the most offensinve ones (like "do you molest kids?" with people looking at you like "don't lie to us you don't when we all know you do) and have to answer them intelligently, calmly and convincigly and try to hold your tears back while answering them at the same time... How could he even survive something so humiliating?

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #540 posted 04/29/12 8:44am

Dren5

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Dren5 said:

Everybody is getting way too riled up about the Blanket thing.

Trust me, it'll get about as far court-wise as that chick Billie Jean's claims did (that Michael fathered ONE of her identical twins). lol

Oh you rememba her!!!!!???? lol

She was mental....money grubbin' wench that she was. But still....can't blame the sister. Wishin' Michael helped in conception. lol

Not exactly remember, I was too young when that whole thing happened.

But I read about it years and years later like : eek .

Reply #541 posted 04/29/12 9:01am

HAPPYPERSON

Michael Jackson: Inside The Mind of The King of Pop (Part 1) (The Person)

Michael Jackson: Inside The Mind of The King of Pop (Part 2) (The Talent)

Michael Jackson: Inside The Mind of The King of Pop (Part 3) (The Comeback & Controversy)

URL: https://prince.org/msg/8/376924

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