manthevan said:

Japha11 said:

I'm also a musician sir but I never said that playing bass will make singing easier when done together. All that I said it will help is knowing which key the song is in lol that's all. If you can hear the key of the song you should be able to at least roughly sing in tune, even if a word or two is out of tune at first. But he failed to do that here.

We won't agree here but that's ok

I agree with you about this of course. But see, monitoring problems means that you have trouble hearing your own voice in a live setting not because you fail to recognize key because of lack of music ear but because you can't hear your own voice on stage. In a live setting performing on stage, each musician (including the vocalists) needs to hear his or her own instrument or voice clearly and distinctly from the other instruments around them. But sometimes the acoustics on stage make this difficult. Suddenly, one's ability to perform well has been diminished severely by the inability to hear one's own playing. You can read more about this here http://www.soundonsound.c...toring.htm

As soon as Jermaine did hear himself he obviously could hear he was totally off key and adjusted accordingly.

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Good debate actually, thanks y'all. But yeah, pin this one on monitoring. Jermaine is definitely not that bad a singer/musician, lol and secondly, I'd need both hands to count how many artists I've seen this happen to and that's just off the top of my head.

Full disclosure, I was 'as big' a Jermaine fan as a kid in the late 70s as i was MJ, simply because he played AND sang. Comparing the two as singers, though, is like sacrilege to me ; Michaels vocals were not only transcendent but being trained at a younger age. But Jermaine could sing and was respected for his abilities. If only he hadn't stayed at Motown, Gamble, Huff and Bell could've done SO much more for them and I don't wanna think about how Triumph might have come out. Whew..

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

manthevan said:

I agree with you about this of course. But see, monitoring problems means that you have trouble hearing your own voice in a live setting not because you fail to recognize key because of lack of music ear but because you can't hear your own voice on stage. In a live setting performing on stage, each musician (including the vocalists) needs to hear his or her own instrument or voice clearly and distinctly from the other instruments around them. But sometimes the acoustics on stage make this difficult. Suddenly, one's ability to perform well has been diminished severely by the inability to hear one's own playing. You can read more about this here http://www.soundonsound.c...toring.htm

As soon as Jermaine did hear himself he obviously could hear he was totally off key and adjusted accordingly.

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Good debate actually, thanks y'all. But yeah, pin this one on monitoring. Jermaine is definitely not that bad a singer/musician, lol and secondly, I'd need both hands to count how many artists I've seen this happen to and that's just off the top of my head.

Full disclosure, I was 'as big' a Jermaine fan as a kid in the late 70s as i was MJ, simply because he played AND sang. Comparing the two as singers, though, is like sacrilege to me ; Michaels vocals were not only transcendent but being trained at a younger age. But Jermaine could sing and was respected for his abilities. If only he hadn't stayed at Motown, Gamble, Huff and Bell could've done SO much more for them and I don't wanna think about how Triumph might have come out. Whew..

Yes this is so true. As a group Jacksons would have been so much more dynamic. Jermaine was the only natural lead singer besides Michael and as a live act with Jermaine's bass playing wheew...and not only that, Jermaine produced and wrote for Switch, Whitney Houston and a lot of his own material so he would be an asset in that department as well.

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I just find it quite hilarious how this thread is about Jermaine yet all the MJ fans come in here just to boast MJ over Jermaine. Like how fucking sad and petty is that?

Yes, I am entitled to my opinion which is why I don't know why yall came in here with all that gibberish. The man is dead so let him rest in peace already.

Jermaine was a great talent that is sadly overlooked.... if people would watch the videos and comment on his talent instead of the useless bickering then maybe that could change. SMDH Grow up!!

PlayboyOriginal said:

I just find it quite hilarious how this thread is about Jermaine yet all the MJ fans come in here just to boast MJ over Jermaine. Like how fucking sad and petty is that?

Yes, I am entitled to my opinion which is why I don't know why yall came in here with all that gibberish. The man is dead so let him rest in peace already.

Jermaine was a great talent that is sadly overlooked.... if people would watch the videos and comment on his talent instead of the useless bickering then maybe that could change. SMDH Grow up!!

He had a chance to be something great but he threw it away with both hands.

Still doesn't take away from his talent.

Japha11 said:

For me there's no excuse with starting in the wrong key when the intro clearly sets you up with the correct key for 25 seconds. I know everyone is human and to go out of tune happens all the time to every singer but to *start* singing in the wrong key (for far too long) when the key is blatant (and he's playing bass) is inexcusable to me really.

That should never happen to someone who can play an instrument well and can sing, which I do think he can but to me I just feel that it's not as 'technical' as some might think lol No way. If he was so technial it would just never happen.

There's not an ounce of truth to him being a better technical singer than Michael Jackson. Please. Stop.

But don't get me wrong, I do think he's good just not that great. Really good bassist though, wish he got more recognition for that.

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Jermaine Jackson, the only (professional) musician in the history of music to start off a song in the wrong.

Jermaine should never do anything again, he should have went into hiding after that, just uncalled for. I wonder if Joe whipped him after this?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Japha11 said:

For me there's no excuse with starting in the wrong key when the intro clearly sets you up with the correct key for 25 seconds. I know everyone is human and to go out of tune happens all the time to every singer but to *start* singing in the wrong key (for far too long) when the key is blatant (and he's playing bass) is inexcusable to me really.

That should never happen to someone who can play an instrument well and can sing, which I do think he can but to me I just feel that it's not as 'technical' as some might think lol No way. If he was so technial it would just never happen.

There's not an ounce of truth to him being a better technical singer than Michael Jackson. Please. Stop.

But don't get me wrong, I do think he's good just not that great. Really good bassist though, wish he got more recognition for that.

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Jermaine Jackson, the only (professional) musician in the history of music to start off a song in the wrong.

Jermaine should never do anything again, he should have went into hiding after that, just uncalled for. I wonder if Joe whipped him after this?

Lord knows I've cracked on Jermaine but I've always had much respect for his body of work. I think I have most of his solo disography. The comparisions between he and his brother are one of futility.

PlayboyOriginal said:

I just find it quite hilarious how this thread is about Jermaine yet all the MJ fans come in here just to boast MJ over Jermaine. Like how fucking sad and petty is that?

Yes, I am entitled to my opinion which is why I don't know why yall came in here with all that gibberish. The man is dead so let him rest in peace already.

Jermaine was a great talent that is sadly overlooked.... if people would watch the videos and comment on his talent instead of the useless bickering then maybe that could change. SMDH Grow up!!

Oh please your dumbass came in here and foolishly implied he was a better singer than Michael. No one NEVER denied Jermaine is talented vocally but better than MICHAEL....

NO... you baited that and got just what you wanted as far as Im concerned.

mjscarousal said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I just find it quite hilarious how this thread is about Jermaine yet all the MJ fans come in here just to boast MJ over Jermaine. Like how fucking sad and petty is that?

Yes, I am entitled to my opinion which is why I don't know why yall came in here with all that gibberish. The man is dead so let him rest in peace already.

Jermaine was a great talent that is sadly overlooked.... if people would watch the videos and comment on his talent instead of the useless bickering then maybe that could change. SMDH Grow up!!

Oh please your dumbass came in here and foolishly implied he was a better singer than Michael. No one NEVER denied Jermaine is talented vocally but better than MICHAEL....

NO... you baited that and got just what you wanted as far as Im concerned.

You are always in every thread bitching with your non-spelling and poor ass grammar. You are truly the dumbass. I used to be able to tolerate you but you have become a growing pain in the ass. Please take your MJ obsession somewhere where people actually STILL give a damn because I certainly do not. He's dead, THE END!! Build a bridge and get over it. Jermaine is the best singer from the family and he's alive. DEAL WITH IT!!!

PlayboyOriginal said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh please your dumbass came in here and foolishly implied he was a better singer than Michael. No one NEVER denied Jermaine is talented vocally but better than MICHAEL....

NO... you baited that and got just what you wanted as far as Im concerned.

You are always in every thread bitching with your non-spelling and poor ass grammar. You are truly the dumbass. I used to be able to tolerate you but you have become a growing pain in the ass. Please take your MJ obsession somewhere where people actually STILL give a damn because I certainly do not. He's dead, THE END!! Build a bridge and get over it. Jermaine is the best singer from the family and he's alive. DEAL WITH IT!!!

Calm your angry ass down... the shit is not that serious...

No YOUR the dumbass ... LOOK AT YOU.... your yelling and ranting about MJ fans but you clearly made a baited statement LOL... YOU even know Jermaine is not a better singer than Michael but want to stir drama and THEN want to back track.... whatever... This isnt english 101 this is a fuckin message board and take your ignorant MJ hating ass back to the Prince section if you want some attention.... FUCK YOU... Living or in passing Michael is a better singer asshole. Hopefully you will shut the fuck up about Michael since you want MJ fans to stop bitching at you for every dumbass shit that you type about him

Its simple DONT bring Michael up you always try to sneak in a sarcastic flat remark to discredit him but ALWAYS get mad when someone calls your ass out... shut the fuck up and take your pill...

Your not the ruler of this board or have the authority to tell anyone to go anywhere if you have a fuckin problem then why dont you take your angry, MJ hating, and immature ass some place else since you cant handle being on a message board with different opinions

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Jermaine has a good voice, but I do not like the timbre of his voice and I do not think that it is pleasant to the ears, at least to my ears.

Jermaine as a bassist is highly underrated....highly! It's a shame that he didn't choose to primarily focus on his instrumentation because he could have done far more w/ it than as a mainstream singer. I like his voice just fine, but I'd say a comparison between him and MJ is an odd one. Jermaine's voice far less versatile than MJ's and is more RnB than full on commercial.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Everyone knows (even Jermaine haters) that homie had talent. Probably the most talented musician in the family, and right up their with Mike on the vocals. His Motown albums are all great, but once he got with Arista, started sounding really waters down.

Also, I know Mike was pissed when he was on Midnight Special with Diana. He was like "Nigha, get yo greasyass away from my woman." Diana was lookin right though ...

Yup. Jermaine had a great RnB voice and Arista tried to turn him into someone more of the mainstream balladeer type than what was his real strength. IMHO, he sang better w/ more uptempo funk sounds rather than "adult contemporary" type stuff.

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People always have to ruin threads. You can take the bickering to PM, where no one else has to read it.

LiLi1992 said:

Jermaine has a good voice, but I do not like the timbre of his voice and I do not think that it is pleasant to the ears, at least to my ears.

Alpha

but I think Jermaine was the best looking guy in the Jackson 5.

Flame on!

glad to see so much positive response on JJ as a bass player!

Great youtube clips. Jermaine was always my favorite back in the day including his voice and his looks. As a teeny bopper I dreamed of marrying him...glad I didn't,

Shame his bass skills don't get more recognition.

some mj fans discredits every other jackson talents. they dont have to be good as or better than him, but to say the other jacksons are all talentless is ridiculous. there are some really talented musicians, performers,and songwriters in that family besides mj.

lowkey said:

lowkey said:

And some people on this site dislike Michael so much that they will go to any lengths to put him down and bring his name into the conversation even when no one mentioned him, just so they could get in a jab at him or his fans. Or they will exaggerate about the talents of the other Jacksons just because of their dislike for MJ. This thread being a perfect example of that.

But I swear some of you pick and choose what you want to read. I haven't seen ONE person say Jermaine isn't talented. Anyone can see that Jermaine is very talented as a bass player and a vocalist. As s I said, he does have a better voice for soul music than MJ. I'm simply saying that I feel Michael is a much more versatile and better vocalist overall and that when i've heard MJ & Jermaine sing together, Michael is simply a more captivating and exciting vocalist to listen too.

Of course the other Jacksons have talent though. Randy for one is a quite a good songwriter and a decent singer. The only ones I'm not too impressed with are Latoya of course and Jackie & Marlon are both just okay to me. The rest certainly do have talent. No one is denying that.

I think Jermaine has a smooth, beautiful voice. I like several of his songs especially "Do What You Do".

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^^^ But nobody brought up MJ until YOU and your pathetic crew came in. Yall didn't even comment on the videos to be discrete. Yall just harped on one little comment that could have easily been ignored. Your sole purpose of entering this thread was to promote MJ and bash Jermaine. Just sad.

Jermaine's voice was versatile as well. He sang his ass off right beside WHITNEY on a Pop ballad. Anybody that can go toe to toe with WHITNEY, is a damn good singer. I mean lets be honest here. My opinion is that he's the best in the family with all my bullshit aside (my bullshit is my dislike for the Jacksons), your opinion is that MJ is the best of all time WELL there is an official MJ thread where you can type that until your fingers turn blue and nobody would care or even try to berate your opinion. It is a damn shame that others aren't allowed that same courtesy.

Cinnamon234 said:

And some people on this site dislike Michael so much that they will go to any lengths to put him down and bring his name into the conversation even when no one mentioned him, just so they could get in a jab at him or his fans. Or they will exaggerate about the talents of the other Jacksons just because of their dislike for MJ. This thread being a perfect example of that.

But I swear some of you pick and choose what you want to read. I haven't seen ONE person say Jermaine isn't talented. Anyone can see that Jermaine is very talented as a bass player and a vocalist.

Great Post.

Its beyond amusing really and really uncalled for. This is about JERMAINE JACKSON. There was no reason to bring up ANY other Jackson let alone Michael because that is going to bring upon comparisions.

Prince fans do this shit ALLLLL the time and then when they get called out and know that they have been called off they feel stupid and wanna use that ALL MJ stans are crazy excuse but yet their asses was the one that started the immature shit... its tired.

Its ridiculous this thread has turned into that because Jermaine is really talented and there is alot to discuss on him musically without foolishly making a dumb stab at Michael just for attention..

If there is "alot to discuss" about Jermaine then why don't you? Coming into this thread with juvenile comments like "crack is wack" due to your lack of maturity and insecurity instead of discussing Jermaine's talent truly shows the FLAW in your ENTIRE argument.

LMAO @ people paroling the org looking for attention in any Jackson related topic. SMDH What a petty life?

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PlayboyOriginal said:

^^^ But nobody brought up MJ until YOU and your pathetic crew came in.

you started to provoke ...

Why do you think that people do not have the right to respond to you?

I do not think MJ - the best singer ever, there are some better (from the obvious - Freddie Mercury, Robert Plant, Marvin Gaye, Whitney, Aretha ...), but anyone who believes that Jermaine can sing better than this, in any period of his career, should consult a doctor to check his hearing ...

I'm not a big fan of the Jackson 5, but the voice of little Michael was great: a strong, pure and emotional.

PlayboyOriginal said:

If there is "alot to discuss" about Jermaine then why don't you? Coming into this thread with juvenile comments like "crack is wack" due to your lack of maturity and insecurity instead of discussing Jermaine's talent truly shows the FLAW in your ENTIRE argument.

LMAO @ people paroling the org looking for attention in any Jackson related topic. SMDH What a petty life?

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What point are you trying to prove here by continuing to bring the thread off topic? No your the one thats immature with your disrespectful elementary remarks JUST because I called you out for your silly uncalled for remark... take your pill. If you can dish it out and then you should be able to take it... period.

PLEASE Hushhh and talk about Jermaine... WHY are you still talking about Michael and his fans? And you damn right Im going to speak my mind. If you can make a wise remark why cant I? If your so pist off of the reaction your stupid remark cause BLAME YOURSELF for that one.

LET THE SHIT GO and talk about JERMAINE since you were the MAIN one bitching about it ALL through this thread about discussing him well shit DISCUSS him and stop bagging on MJ fans because YOU want attention and because you want to change the atmosphere of the thread troll.

Your whole philosophy is weird. You claim Jermaine is a better singer than all the Jacksons but have contributed LESS in this thread about that and MORE about bashing Michael and his fans... You never fall short with proving in each of your immature stupid replies that you are a PRESSED TROLL.

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Keeping it Jermaine, I do think he's underrated as far as bass playing, vocals and even production work:

(I think Bobby Brown swagger jacked this song's melody for "Girlfriend" )

Just wished he had done more of that. Hell I wished all the other Jackson brothers would've done more to prove their talents. If I was as talented as Jermaine was or is, I wouldn't have ridden on someone's "coattails". Just saying.

But who really knows?

Anyways:

And here's a Syreeta cut he produced:

(An old J5 cut that Jermaine almost turned into something close to Marvin - in the backgrounds which he does all of them, while Syreeta adds her touch to it).

Jermaine's best work was with Motown obviously.

My Favorite Jermaine Songs

First You Laugh, Then You Cry

Beautiful Morning

Don't Take It Personal

Let's Get Serious

That's How Love Goes

I Let Love Pass Me By

Let's Be Young Tonight

I Think It's Love

Words Into Action

Take Good Care Of My Heart

Tell I'm Not Dreaming

Don't You Deserve Someone

I Think his singing and bass playing is very impressive on the August 26, 1972 Live At The Forum Return Engagement CD. He was only 16 years old.