aardvark15 said:

I wonder why Lionel's album is doing so well. I haven't heard a single from it on the radio and 70% of kids don't know who he is

His album is doing well because it's a covers album featuring remakes of his classic songs,recorded with country music superstars it's a lazy,"safe" project,like all of those Rod Stewart covers albums.Record labels like to persuade older artists to go this route,but I'm glad that Madonna continues to make "new" music.

SoulAlive said:

aardvark15 said:

I wonder why Lionel's album is doing so well. I haven't heard a single from it on the radio and 70% of kids don't know who he is

His album is doing well because it's a covers album featuring remakes of his classic songs,recorded with country music superstars it's a lazy,"safe" project,like all of those Rod Stewart covers albums.Record labels like to persuade older artists to go this route,but I'm glad that Madonna continues to make "new" music.

Yeah, Madonna never takes the easy way out. She's always pushing new directions.

The Lionel album is product.

NoVideo said:

SoulAlive said:

His album is doing well because it's a covers album featuring remakes of his classic songs,recorded with country music superstars it's a lazy,"safe" project,like all of those Rod Stewart covers albums.Record labels like to persuade older artists to go this route,but I'm glad that Madonna continues to make "new" music.

Yeah, Madonna never takes the easy way out. She's always pushing new directions.

The Lionel album is product.

Can you imagine the criticism that she would get if she did a covers album of her classic songs featuring a bunch of guest artists? They would say that she's living in the past,trying to hold on to past glories.But somehow,he gets a pass.

Covers albums are lazy.It's a cheap,unispired way to remain relevent.

Lionel will out sell mdna in the long run plus i am just waiting how many free give awys were included i bet without the give aways they would come in pretty close and in the long run lionel will sell double what mdna will do.

SoulAlive said:

NoVideo said:

Yeah, Madonna never takes the easy way out. She's always pushing new directions.

The Lionel album is product.

Can you imagine the criticism that she would get if she did a covers album of her classic songs featuring a bunch of guest artists? They would say that she's living in the past,trying to hold on to past glories.But somehow,he gets a pass.

Covers albums are lazy.It's a cheap,unispired way to remain relevent.

Yeah. For the most part I agree. There are some artists who try to do something different and creative w/ cover albums (Patti Smith's "12", Tori Amos "Strange Little Girls", a few others), but for the most part they are useless karaoke. Seal's two "Soul" albums come to mind immediately. They are completely soul-less, vapid, wastes of time.

I will give Lionel credit for doing a different approach and seeking new audiences - and he's always had a bit of a connection with country. He wrote a big single for Kenny Rogers back in the day.

Madonna has never rested on her laurels. Hit or miss, she's always going in different directions, and she doesn't take the easy way out. She could have hired a handful of hip songwriters, let them feed her some material, go into a studio and record some vocal tracks and be done with it. Wash, rinse, repeat, regurgitate every couple years. But she puts in the work - with recording, touring, and every aspect of her projects. That's how she's been able to navigate the ever-changing pop currents and music industry highs and lows successfully for 30 years. She has the work ethic and drive to go along with her vision and talent.

One of a kind. The great pop artist of our generation.

NoVideo said:

SoulAlive said:

His album is doing well because it's a covers album featuring remakes of his classic songs,recorded with country music superstars it's a lazy,"safe" project,like all of those Rod Stewart covers albums.Record labels like to persuade older artists to go this route,but I'm glad that Madonna continues to make "new" music.

Yeah, Madonna never takes the easy way out. She's always pushing new directions.

The Lionel album is product.

Madonna pushes new directions because since Music she gets the producer that will provide her with a hip sound and a hit!! I like some Madonna, got albums untill Music and love some singles she released over the years but she want HITS! Lionel may have taken the easier way but if U call him a product..so is Madonna these days.

Paisley4u said:

NoVideo said:

Yeah, Madonna never takes the easy way out. She's always pushing new directions.

The Lionel album is product.

Madonna pushes new directions because since Music she gets the producer that will provide her with a hip sound and a hit!! I like some Madonna, got albums untill Music and love some singles she released over the years but she want HITS! Lionel may have taken the easier way but if U call him a product..so is Madonna these days.

First of all, Madonna has *always* worked with a producer that she thought would provide a hip, hot, current sound. That is nothing new. Of course she wants hits, every artist does.

But MDNA is not a collection of throwaway pop songs all designed to be catchy, top 10 singalongs. Madonna has never done that. Sure she wants hits, but on her own terms. She could have hired a team of songwriters and producers to put together a collection of radio-by-numbers tunes, gone in and recorded some vocal tracks, and called it a day. She doesn't do that. She puts in the work, and tries to make something special, creative, edgy, and still accessible, fun and memorable.

She's always been able to score hits on her own terms, and by blazing her own trail, unlike many of those who follow her.

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NoVideo said:

Paisley4u said:

Madonna pushes new directions because since Music she gets the producer that will provide her with a hip sound and a hit!! I like some Madonna, got albums untill Music and love some singles she released over the years but she want HITS! Lionel may have taken the easier way but if U call him a product..so is Madonna these days.

First of all, Madonna has *always* worked with a producer that she thought would provide a hip, hot, current sound. That is nothing new. Of course she wants hits, every artist does.

But MDNA is not a collection of throwaway pop songs all designed to be catchy, top 10 singalongs. Madonna has never done that. Sure she wants hits, but on her own terms. She could have hired a team of songwriters and producers to put together a collection of radio-by-numbers tunes, gone in and recorded some vocal tracks, and called it a day. She doesn't do that. She puts in the work, and tries to make something special, creative, edgy, and still accessible, fun and memorable.

She's always been able to score hits on her own terms, and by blazing her own trail, unlike many of those who follow her.

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I disagree with all those points respectfully.

Not every artist wants radio commercial HITS as Madonna always shoots for. If that was not the point of this album I HIGHLY doubt she would have released that shitty ass single Give Me All Your Love as a first single.

While Madonna contributed to some songwriter and concepts, she has always had help with other songwriters and producers so it hasnt been ALL on her own terms. Madonna is as manufactured as it comes. I dig alot of Madonna songs especially during the late 80s and 90s but I disagree with the point that your implying Madonna has never chased after hits when thats not true... AT ALL.

asg said:

Lionel will out sell mdna in the long run plus i am just waiting how many free give awys were included i bet without the give aways they would come in pretty close and in the long run lionel will sell double what mdna will do.

u need 2 get your ugly ass laid seriously

mjscarousal said:

NoVideo said:

First of all, Madonna has *always* worked with a producer that she thought would provide a hip, hot, current sound. That is nothing new. Of course she wants hits, every artist does.

But MDNA is not a collection of throwaway pop songs all designed to be catchy, top 10 singalongs. Madonna has never done that. Sure she wants hits, but on her own terms. She could have hired a team of songwriters and producers to put together a collection of radio-by-numbers tunes, gone in and recorded some vocal tracks, and called it a day. She doesn't do that. She puts in the work, and tries to make something special, creative, edgy, and still accessible, fun and memorable.

She's always been able to score hits on her own terms, and by blazing her own trail, unlike many of those who follow her.

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I disagree with all those points respectfully.

Not every artist wants radio commercial HITS as Madonna always shoots for. If that was not the point of this album I HIGHLY doubt she would have released that shitty ass single Give Me All Your Love as a first single.

While Madonna contributed to some songwriter and concepts, she has always had help with other songwriters and producers so it hasnt been ALL on her own terms. Madonna is as manufactured as it comes. I dig alot of Madonna songs especially during the late 80s and 90s but I disagree with the point that your implying Madonna has never chased after hits when thats not true... AT ALL.

This shows your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to madonna.

Her career has been on her own terms for as far back as True Blue.

She chooses who she writes with and who produces, labels have never forced her to work with someone.

She's not manufactured, she has always been in charge of the sound and the look of her albums, music videos and tours.

Also how was NoVideo argueing that she never chases after hits, check the last sentence of the first paragraph.

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RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree with all those points respectfully.

Not every artist wants radio commercial HITS as Madonna always shoots for. If that was not the point of this album I HIGHLY doubt she would have released that shitty ass single Give Me All Your Love as a first single.

While Madonna contributed to some songwriter and concepts, she has always had help with other songwriters and producers so it hasnt been ALL on her own terms. Madonna is as manufactured as it comes. I dig alot of Madonna songs especially during the late 80s and 90s but I disagree with the point that your implying Madonna has never chased after hits when thats not true... AT ALL.

This shows your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to madonna.

Her career has been on her own terms for as far back as True Blue.

She chooses who she writes with and who produces, labels have never forced her to work with someone.

She's not manufactured, she has always been in charge of the sound and the look of her albums, music videos and tours.

Also how was NoVideo argueing that she never chases after hits, check the last sentence of the first paragraph.

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Yup. She calls the shots. She isn't a creation of producers telling her what to do. She tells THEM what she wants.

She's Madonna, as the Robbie Williams song says

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree with all those points respectfully.

Not every artist wants radio commercial HITS as Madonna always shoots for. If that was not the point of this album I HIGHLY doubt she would have released that shitty ass single Give Me All Your Love as a first single.

While Madonna contributed to some songwriter and concepts, she has always had help with other songwriters and producers so it hasnt been ALL on her own terms. Madonna is as manufactured as it comes. I dig alot of Madonna songs especially during the late 80s and 90s but I disagree with the point that your implying Madonna has never chased after hits when thats not true... AT ALL.

This shows your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to madonna.

Her career has been on her own terms for as far back as True Blue.

She chooses who she writes with and who produces, labels have never forced her to work with someone.

She's not manufactured, she has always been in charge of the sound and the look of her albums, music videos and tours.

Also how was NoVideo argueing that she never chases after hits, check the last sentence of the first paragraph.

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Ive never claim to know every single thing on Madonna and neither do you

I dont feel like going back and forth with you being that your a crazy Madonna stan so there is no point conversing, so thats my opinon take it or leave it.

mjscarousal said:

with you being that your a crazy Madonna stan so there is no point conversing

Ahh, and there it is. The "crazy Madonna stan" reference. Was wondering when that would show it's face.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the irony... speaking of relying on hip producers and chasing hits? But nah.... let's not bring other artists into the thread. His "stans" might get upset, lol.

NoVideo said:

mjscarousal said:

Ahh, and there it is. The "crazy Madonna stan" reference. Was wondering when that would show it's face.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the irony... speaking of relying on hip producers and chasing hits? But nah.... let's not bring other artists into the thread. His "stans" might get upset, lol.

NoVideo said:

mjscarousal said:

Ahh, and there it is. The "crazy Madonna stan" reference. Was wondering when that would show it's face.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the irony... speaking of relying on hip producers and chasing hits? But nah.... let's not bring other artists into the thread. His "stans" might get upset, lol.

Yes Lets not, especially when he writes over 100 SONGS EACH Album... and Madonna doesnt and soley relies on producers and other songwriters ... Lets NOT

Furthermore, its immature that you would bring another artist up just because someone challenges your post. All it shows is.. you cant back your point up intelligently. I was responding to your stupid ass claims that Madonna was not gearing toward the radio and that every artist wants hits with their albums when she clearly is and all artists dont care to be "pop" stars but if you care to go there I dont mine going there.

Cause shit I gotta crew to

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SoulAlive said:

aardvark15 said:

I wonder why Lionel's album is doing so well. I haven't heard a single from it on the radio and 70% of kids don't know who he is

His album is doing well because it's a covers album featuring remakes of his classic songs,recorded with country music superstars it's a lazy,"safe" project,like all of those Rod Stewart covers albums.Record labels like to persuade older artists to go this route,but I'm glad that Madonna continues to make "new" music.

There's been some chatter in the blogosphere about how the bundling of the new CD with concert ticket sales gave Madonna a competitive edge.

Do you think allegations of artificially inflating sales figures are valid?

mjscarousal said:

NoVideo said:

Ahh, and there it is. The "crazy Madonna stan" reference. Was wondering when that would show it's face.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the irony... speaking of relying on hip producers and chasing hits? But nah.... let's not bring other artists into the thread. His "stans" might get upset, lol.

Yes Lets not, especially when he writes over 100 SONGS EACH Album... and Madonna doesnt and soley relies on producers child... You have no business getting up in a thread to start an argument, just to say no one has the right to argue with you, call people stans and then get upset when other people call you a stan.

Identity said:

SoulAlive said:

His album is doing well because it's a covers album featuring remakes of his classic songs,recorded with country music superstars it's a lazy,"safe" project,like all of those Rod Stewart covers albums.Record labels like to persuade older artists to go this route,but I'm glad that Madonna continues to make "new" music.

There's been some chatter in the blogosphere about how the bundling of the new CD with concert ticket sales gave Madonna a competitive edge.

Do you think allegations of artificially inflating sales figures are valid?

It's really hard to quantify because one could easily argue that the vast majority of fans who shell out $$$ to get a concert ticket would have also purchased the CD anyway. I don't think this was a ploy to get a #1 debut - the album clearly would have landed at #1 anyway. It seems to me a genuine attempt for fans to get their money's worth.

These days with streaming audio services like Spotify widely used - - and of course the ubiquitous use of file sharing servies - sales figures only tell half the story. When you compare sales figures from an album released several years ago, or 10 years ago, it's like apples and oranges, given the overall decline in sales and the other avenues available for fans to hear their music.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Yes Lets not, especially when he writes over 100 SONGS EACH Album... and Madonna doesnt and soley relies on producers child... You have no business getting up in a thread to start an argument, just to say no one has the right to argue with you, call people stans and then get upset when other people call you a stan.

I did not come in here to start an arguement. I responded to a post that stuck out to me. YOU disagreed with it. Then you and your friend wanna start REAL SHIT and bring up another artist, an artist that has NOTHING to do with this thread JUST because you disagreed with my post which is BEYOND childish. Everything I said, stuck on topic. And you and me both know we dont get along which is why I said, I didnt feel like arguing with you because that was not the point of my post and you love to argue for no reason.

Congradulations, when the direction of this thread changes you have YOURSELVES TO BLAME

Its ridiculous how their cant be discussion with disagreements without people egging on arguements. If you cant have a debate about your favorite artist without bringing up another artist to just to start shit than something is wrong with you

errant said:

And FYI, 10 year olds in boybands are the very definition of "manufactured"

FYI, Not so much when a 10 year old can REALLY SANG UNLIKE a 50 year old WHO CANT at 50 and couldnt at 10 and who insists on showing her clit to sale records.... WATCH YOURSELF NOW.

I advise you to just run along and continue with whatever you were discussing quietly

NoVideo said:

mjscarousal said:

Ahh, and there it is. The "crazy Madonna stan" reference. Was wondering when that would show it's face.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the irony... speaking of relying on hip producers and chasing hits? But nah.... let's not bring other artists into the thread. His "stans" might get upset, lol.

I agree.

I think Madonna's management should suggest a new direction for her: get totally whacked out and dependent on drugs, go through a series of disfiguring elective surgeries to become a ghoulish caricature of her former self, molest some kids, surround herself with shady characters and fritter away her vast fortune through lavish spending, incompetence, naivety, and towering ego.

I really think that would work!!! She should get on that right away.

asg said:

Lionel will out sell mdna in the long run plus i am just waiting how many free give awys were included i bet without the give aways they would come in pretty close and in the long run lionel will sell double what mdna will do.

Who cares about all that? Madonna certainly doesn't.If she did,she would be everywhere right now,promoting the album.She's smart enough to know that touring is where the real money is.Lionel may sell more but I doubt that he will have a major tour that grosses over $400 million this year.

mjscarousal said:

NoVideo said: