neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

Wow! You are really showing your ignorance here. Marvin wrote most of his material from the 70s forward. He didn't write in the 60s that much, but he did have a few songs that were hits in the 60s. "If This World Were Mine" and "The Bells" were 2 of the bigger ones.

As for Marvin's vocal stylings, he was in a class by himself (like the others you mentioned). Whether he was better or not was a matter of opinion. I will say that his voice was more diverse than some of his other peers. He could sing a classic standard like "The Very Thought Of You" just as good or better than he sang songs like "Sexual Healing."

I have no problem with you liking R, but for you to diss Marvin like this really bothers me.

You proved my point. Marvin's career began in 1958 and he was a product of the whole Motown movement throughout the 60's. R. Kelly writes, produces and arranges all of his own music. There's a difference.

Honestly, I don't care for Marvin's vocal stylings.

How did I diss him? Just admit that you hate R. Kelly and you're mad that someone pointed out the fact that he's more talented than Marvin.

U don't know who u're talking 2, because I am a R. Kelly fan. A pretty big one at that.

I'm one of the few people on this board that actually like a lot of R's stuff. This song, "Share My Love" is not one of his best, but it's not horrible.

Also, just because an artist DIDN'T write a LOT of songs, doesn't mean they aren't talented. On the other hand, just because an artist WRITES a LOT of music, doesn't mean they are really talented. R. has written a lot of great songs, but I would take any song written by Marvin over an R. song.

I think a lot of people refer to R's music as generic because he doesn't really push himeslf musically. He seems to have this "one-trick-formula" for writing songs. Sure, he has tried to do different things musically, but he has yet to record (or release anything) with a live band and real musicians. I would love for him to put down the keyboards and actually arrange a song with real musicians.

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

How can the IMITATOR be MORE TALENTED THAN THE ORIGINAL?

No disrespect to R, but he ripped off a lot of Marvin and the Isley's.

Rip off? He's influenced by them.

So I guess Prince ripped off of James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, Jimi Hendrix, etc. ?

No, Prince ripped off Sly's act.

daPrettyman said:

Also, just because an artist DIDN'T write a LOT of songs, doesn't mean they aren't talented. On the other hand, just because an artist WRITES a LOT of music, doesn't mean they are really talented. R. has written a lot of great songs, but I would take any song written by Marvin's team over an R. song.

Fixed.

and I'm not going to argue with you about your preference. You like what you like but the fact remains - R. Kelly is more talented. You say just because Marvin didn't write most of his music doesn't mean he isn't talented? Well, I never said Marvin wasn't talented - he was. I just know he didn't have the gift that R. Kelly has. If Marvin was such a great songwriter he would've reached the heights R. Kelly has with career, wrote and composed for other artists, etc. He didn't because he didn't have that ability.

I think a lot of people refer to R's music as generic because he doesn't really push himeslf musically. He seems to have this "one-trick-formula" for writing songs. Sure, he has tried to do different things musically, but he has yet to record (or release anything) with a live band and real musicians. I would love for him to put down the keyboards and actually arrange a song with real musicians.

I actually agree with your suggestions but most people refer to R.'s music as "generic" simply because they don't like him. It really has nothing to do with the music but more about the artist behind the music. That's all.

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

Also, just because an artist DIDN'T write a LOT of songs, doesn't mean they aren't talented. On the other hand, just because an artist WRITES a LOT of music, doesn't mean they are really talented. R. has written a lot of great songs, but I would take any song written by Marvin's team over an R. song.

Fixed.

and I'm not going to argue with you about your preference. You like what you like but the fact remains - R. Kelly is more talented. You say just because Marvin didn't write most of his music doesn't mean he isn't talented? Well, I never said Marvin wasn't talented - he was. I just know he didn't have the gift that R. Kelly has. If Marvin was such a great songwriter he would've reached the heights R. Kelly has with career, wrote and composed for other artists, etc. He didn't because he didn't have that ability.

I think a lot of people refer to R's music as generic because he doesn't really push himeslf musically. He seems to have this "one-trick-formula" for writing songs. Sure, he has tried to do different things musically, but he has yet to record (or release anything) with a live band and real musicians. I would love for him to put down the keyboards and actually arrange a song with real musicians.

I actually agree with your suggestions but most people refer to R.'s music as "generic" simply because they don't like him. It really has nothing to do with the music but more about the artist behind the music. That's all.

No....I'll take any song Marvin wrote over anything R wrote. "If I Should Die Tonight" or "You Sure Love To Ball" outshine ANTHING R has done. I don't know how much you know about Marvin, but Marvin was his on worst enemy. He had the talent, but had so many issues that I won't go into here. I sugget you read the book David Ritz wrote. He really went into detail about how Marvin killed his own career more than once.

As for R. being that big, I don't think he's as big as you really think he is. He hasn't really had that many crossover hits. Outside of the r&b field, R is not that popular. His biggest crossover success has been with "Ignition (Remix)" and "I Beleive I Can Fly."

daPrettyman said:

No....I'll take any song Marvin wrote over anything R wrote. "If I Should Die Tonight" or "You Sure Love To Ball" outshine ANTHING R has done. I don't know how much you know about Marvin, but Marvin was his on worst enemy. He had the talent, but had so many issues that I won't go into here. I sugget you read the book David Ritz wrote. He really went into detail about how Marvin killed his own career more than once.

As for R. being that big, I don't think he's as big as you really think he is. He hasn't really had that many crossover hits. Outside of the r&b field, R is not that popular. His biggest crossover success has been with "Ignition (Remix)" and "I Beleive I Can Fly."

Again, that's your opinion. But we know who had the most successful career by age 44 and I'll leave it at that.

Right, because being the biggest R&B artist of the last 25 years, performing at the World Cup and selling over 50 million albums worldwide means he's "not as big" and "not that popular". You learn something new everyday.

He's a R&B artist, not Pop but for a R&B artist he had plenty of crossover hits. "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Ignition (Remix)" aren't the only ones that crossed over. For a "fan" you sure don't know much about him.

This is not bad, and fuck all of you who get on my ass about it.

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

No....I'll take any song Marvin wrote over anything R wrote. "If I Should Die Tonight" or "You Sure Love To Ball" outshine ANTHING R has done. I don't know how much you know about Marvin, but Marvin was his on worst enemy. He had the talent, but had so many issues that I won't go into here. I sugget you read the book David Ritz wrote. He really went into detail about how Marvin killed his own career more than once.

As for R. being that big, I don't think he's as big as you really think he is. He hasn't really had that many crossover hits. Outside of the r&b field, R is not that popular. His biggest crossover success has been with "Ignition (Remix)" and "I Beleive I Can Fly."

Again, that's your opinion. But we know who had the most successful career by age 44 and I'll leave it at that.

Right, because being the biggest R&B artist of the last 25 years, performing at the World Cup and selling over 50 million albums worldwide means he's "not as big" and "not that popular". You learn something new everyday.

He's a R&B artist, not Pop but for a R&B artist he had plenty of crossover hits. "I Believe I Can Fly" and "Ignition (Remix)" aren't the only ones that crossed over. For a "fan" you sure don't know much about him.

Here is a list of his Billboard Hot 100 songs. Not a lot of real hits. Only a hand full. Just because a song crosses over doesn't necessarily mean it's a crossover hit.

1992 Listen Now! Honey Love The Billboard Hot 100 39
1992 Listen Now! She's Got That Vibe The Billboard Hot 100 59
1992 Listen Now! Slow Dance The Billboard Hot 100 43
1993 Listen Now! Dedicated The Billboard Hot 100 31
1993 Listen Now! Sex Me, Pts. 1-2 The Billboard Hot 100 20
1994 Listen Now! Bump N' Grind The Billboard Hot 100 1
1994 Listen Now! Summer Bunnies The Billboard Hot 100 55
1994 Listen Now! Your Body's Callin' The Billboard Hot 100 13
1995 Listen Now! You Remind Me of Something The Billboard Hot 100 4
1996 Listen Now! Down Low (Nobody Has to Know) The Billboard Hot 100 4
1996 Listen Now! I Can't Sleep Baby (If I) The Billboard Hot 100 5
1997 Listen Now! Gotham City The Billboard Hot 100 9
1998 Listen Now! Home Alone The Billboard Hot 100 65
1998 Listen Now! I'm Your Angel The Billboard Hot 100 1
1998 Listen Now! When a Woman's Fed Up The Billboard Hot 100 22
1999 Listen Now! Did You Ever Think The Billboard Hot 100 27
1999 Listen Now! If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time The Billboard Hot 100 12
2000 Listen Now! I Wish The Billboard Hot 100 14
2001 Listen Now! Feelin' on Yo Booty The Billboard Hot 100 36
2001 Listen Now! Fiesta The Billboard Hot 100 6
2001 Listen Now! The World's Greatest The Billboard Hot 100 34
2002 Listen Now! Ignition The Billboard Hot 100 2
2003 Listen Now! Snake The Billboard Hot 100 16
2003 Listen Now! Thoia Thoing The Billboard Hot 100 13
2004 Listen Now! Happy People The Billboard Hot 100 19
2004 Listen Now! Step in the Name of Love The Billboard Hot 100 9
2004 Listen Now! U Saved Me The Billboard Hot 100 52
2005 Listen Now! Playa's Only The Billboard Hot 100 65
2007 Listen Now! Same Girl The Billboard Hot 100 79

daPrettyman said:

Here is a list of his Billboard Hot 100 songs. Not a lot of real hits. Only a hand full. Just because a song crosses over doesn't necessarily mean it's a crossover hit.

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He has 13 top 10 hits and 27 top 20 hits on the Hot 100. How are these not "real" hits and just a hand full?

When did prince.org start caring about hits? Last time I checked, Prince hasn't had a hit since Beautiful Girl.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

When did prince.org start caring about list? Last time I checked, Prince hasn't had a hit since Beautiful Girl.

I mean, if we're going to speak on someone that doesn't have "real" hits...

neonlights said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

When did prince.org start caring about list? Last time I checked, Prince hasn't had a hit since Beautiful Girl.

I mean, if we're going to speak on someone that doesn't have "real" hits...

Right? Don't get me wrong, I love Prince, but damn. Hypocrites.

smoothcriminal12 said:

When did prince.org start caring about hits? Last time I checked, Prince hasn't had a hit since Beautiful Girl.

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Wasn't 3121 #2 on the Billboards charts?

neonlights said:

LOL! You guys are trying way too hard. First it's "He's not that talented", then pee jokes now he doesn't have real hits.

I think you're trying too hard to convince us that we should like this song.

Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

When did prince.org start caring about hits? Last time I checked, Prince hasn't had a hit since Beautiful Girl.

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Wasn't 3121 #2 on the Billboards charts?

I meant singles. Album wise he's always done well, for the most part.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Graycap23 said:

Wasn't 3121 #2 on the Billboards charts?

I meant singles. Album wise he's always done well, for the most part.

He's had r&b hits since TMBGITW, but not another pop hit.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

LOL! You guys are trying way too hard. First it's "He's not that talented", then pee jokes now he doesn't have real hits.

I think you're trying too hard to convince us that we should like this song.

Actually, no. I'm fine with anyone not liking the song. It's just amusing how the people in here are trying very hard to discredit him.

So are you going to explain these "handful" of hits that aren't "real"?

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neonlights said:

Terrib3Towel said:

R. Kelly is a generic artist. He's a wannabe Marvin Gaye, but with only half the talent.

He's far more talented than Marvin Gaye and Whitney Houston (the one you go up for) is generic, not R. Kelly.

daPrettyman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I meant singles. Album wise he's always done well, for the most part.

He's had r&b hits since TMBGITW, but not another pop hit.

Well then R. Kelly has too - When A Woman Loves hit #15 on R&B/Hiphop.

daPrettyman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I meant singles. Album wise he's always done well, for the most part.

He's had r&b hits since TMBGITW, but not another pop hit.

But are they "real" hits?

neonlights said:

daPrettyman said:

I think you're trying too hard to convince us that we should like this song.

Actually, no. I'm fine with anyone not liking the song. It's just amusing how the people in here are trying very hard to discredit him.

So are you going to explain these "handful" of hits that aren't "real"?

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Anything not in the top 20 is not really considered a crossover hit.

daPrettyman said:

neonlights said:

Actually, no. I'm fine with anyone not liking the song. It's just amusing how the people in here are trying very hard to discredit him.

So are you going to explain these "handful" of hits that aren't "real"?

[Edited 2/1/12 13:59pm]

Anything not in the top 20 is not really considered a crossover hit.

Okay. Well, he has 27 top 20 hits on the Hot 100 so...