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Reply #150 posted 02/01/12 1:04pm

Timmy84

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sad Sorry to hear that... yeah it's not unusual for someone to end it like that. Some folks probably think it was suspicious reading on this because of no suicide note but you can commit suicide without one.

People sadly take their lives without any explanation more often than some think. Though I don't think it makes it any easier for the loved ones left behind. wow.

Right. Maybe we'll figure out if he had any mental disorder as they continue to investigate. They say it may take days to determine why he did what he did.

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Reply #151 posted 02/01/12 1:07pm

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So intensely sad. sad

R.I.P., Mr. Cornelius.

Hungry? Just look in the mirror and get fed up.
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Reply #152 posted 02/01/12 1:17pm

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Shemar Moore Releases Statement On Don Cornelius Death: My Heart Is Heavy!

The man who continued the ‘Soul Train’ legacy for five years, Shemar Moore, releases a heartfelt condolence on show creator Don Cornelius’ death…

”My heart is heavy after hearing the news of Don’s passing…

Read his full statement below….

I can’t imagine what his son Tony and extended family must be feeling. I am truly sorry that such an iconic man has left us too soon. Don Cornelius was responsible for a show that revolutionized the music industry, introduced the world to many of the biggest superstars of music, showed generation after Generation over 40 years how to keep it funky and get your groove on every saturday morning on “The Hippest Trip In America”… Soul Train.

It was truly my Honor to continue the tradition and be a part of History by being given the opportunity by Don to Host Soul Train for 5 years. I didn’t dare try to fill his shoes because it just couldn’t be done! Don was one of a kind! Don was The Man!! “And as always in parting, me and your Soul Train family wish you, Don, Love, Peace, and Soul!!!!

Rest in Peace My Friend..” Shemar Moore

That was a nice statement Shemar made. Very cool dude right there....
eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #153 posted 02/01/12 1:17pm

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Don Cornelius' legacy: 'Soul Train' said 'black is beautiful'

Don Cornelius was a pioneer. The "Soul Train" creator, who was found dead at his home Wednesday, caused a sensation the moment his groundbreaking musical variety show launched nationwide in 1971.

Each Saturday morning, "Soul Train" gave African Americans an opportunity to see themselves reflected on their TV screens. Proud black teens and young adults moving and grooving down the now-classic "Soul Train Line" instantly dictated hairstyles, dance moves and wardrobe choices in the weeks to come.

The show also gave many white Americans their first glimpse of black culture.

For those too young to remember the music and dance show, or missed it the first time around, producer and "Roots" drummer Ahmir "Questlove" Thompson explains on OkayPlayer.com just why it was so groundbreaking:

"to say with a straight, dignified face that BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL was the RISKIEST radical life-changing move that america has seen. and amazingly enough for one hour for one saturday out the week, if you were watching soul train….it became contagious. next thing you know you are actually believing you have some sort of worth."

The outpouring of love, support and admiration was immediately evident online following the news that Cornelius had died in his Mulholland Drive home in Encino. The early evidence suggests he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, although authorities stress that the death remains under investigation.

Regardless of the circumstances of Cornelius' death, several fans noted that the timing was especially poignant:

"1st day of black history month. R.I.P Don Cornelius," tweeted rapper Young Jeezy.

Other celebrity tweets on Wednesday spoke to how much Cornelius meant to black culture:

--I never could get my Afro to work right, but I am among the legion who wanted a turn on that Soul Train line. #DonCornelius RIP," tweeted Gwen Ifill, senior correspondent for PBS' "NewsHour."

--"It meant more to me to perform on #SoulTrain than to win a Grammy...Loved U So Much Don.Thank U RIP," tweeted MC Hammer.

--My 89-year-old mom just nailed the critical importance of #DonCornelius. She called Soul Train a "rebuttal" to American Bandstand," tweeted sports writer and ESPN analyst Kevin Blackistone.

"If you were a new artist or an emerging artist, being on "Soul Train"…was a big thing," said TV historian Robert Thompson, founding director of the Bleier Center for Television and Popular Culture at Syracuse University in New York. "But the other important element was the people who were on the dance floor. You have to remember, this was long before MTV. This was cutting edge, it was hipper than anything else that was on TV."

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Reply #154 posted 02/01/12 1:22pm

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suicide!? eek

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P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! whistle
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Reply #155 posted 02/01/12 1:29pm

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here's my ST jam

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P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! whistle
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Reply #156 posted 02/01/12 1:46pm

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If it's true he was in declining health, it's similar to why Hunter Thompson checked out when he did, between being too proud to wanting people taking care of you, too much in pain that you'd resort to something so brutal, and no note sounds like he just wanted to get it over with.

Sucks to leave a family behind, but his legacy will be remembered way more than what happened.

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Reply #157 posted 02/01/12 1:51pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

Clarence Avant, former chairman of Motown Records, said, "Don Cornelius' legacy to music, especially black music, will be forever cemented in history. 'Soul Train' was the first and only television show to showcase and put a spotlight on black artists at a time when there were few African-Americans on television at all, and that was the great vision of Don."

Not exactly true. The Beat and SOUL! came out before Soul Train.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #158 posted 02/01/12 1:54pm

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Wow! eek R.I.P.

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Reply #159 posted 02/01/12 1:57pm

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OT (just a smudge) but can I say that I'm sick of Jesse Jackson? rolleyes He always gotta put his TWO CENTS IN whenever some legendary figure of black pop culture dies... especially a figure like Don's. I'm a little upset Al Sharpton was at Etta's funeral for instance. Al was mentioned in the Don one too but I'd expected him because Don had him on his show when James Brown was on in '74 and Al wasn't even 20 yet I don't think.

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Reply #160 posted 02/01/12 2:00pm

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How Don Cornelius became the 'pope of soul'

By John Blake and Todd Leopold, CNN
updated 4:34 PM EST, Wed February 1, 2012

Don Cornelius' impact on America went beyond music.
Don Cornelius' impact on America went beyond music. "Soul Train" united white and black America together.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • "Soul Train" host Don Cornelius' impact on America was bigger than music
  • "He was an ambassador, the pope of soul," one sociologist says
  • Show's message was "I'm black and I'm proud," Gladys Knight says
  • Stars and fans praised his cool persona, boldness and cultural "tightrope" act

(CNN) -- Don Cornelius never led a civil rights march, launched a boycott or gave a speech before a cheering crowd of protesters.

But his impact on America was as profound as virtually any civil rights leader, says Shayne Lee, a sociologist who grew up watching "Soul Train."

Cornelius' groundbreaking TV show didn't just captivate African-Americans -- it tied white and black America together in a way that had not been done before, says Lee, who teaches a course on hip-hop at the University of Houston.

"He was an ambassador, the pope of soul," Lee said. "For a lot of suburban whites living in segregated America, this was their first exposure to this exiting new world of movement and energy. He made black culture more accessible."

Cornelius, who hosted "Soul Train" for 22 of its 36 years on the air, died Tuesday. He was 75. Police reports indicate he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

The suave Cornelius was known by an entire generation of African-Americans as the dapper host of "Soul Train" who signed off each show by blowing a kiss and declaring, "We wish you love, peace and souuuullll."

Most of the tributes to Cornelius that poured in following his death focused on his contribution to music. Others said his legacy was bigger than sound.

Cultural impact of 'Soul Train'


Kenny Gamble, co-founder of Philadelphia International Records, which produced the theme song for "Soul Train," says Cornelius was a great contributor to American, not just black, culture.

"Soul Train," like Apple and Coca-Cola, is an American brand, Gamble says.

Don Cornelius, seen to the right of Martin Luther King Jr., didn\'t preach protest on Soul Train. But the show\'s impact was political, some say.
Don Cornelius, seen to the right of Martin Luther King Jr., didn't preach protest on Soul Train. But the show's impact was political, some say.

"Soul Train" traditions, like dancers gathering to cheer on fellow dancers as they shimmied down a dance line, are now a part of pop culture.

"No matter where you go in this world, people are doing the 'Soul Train' dance line," he said. "What's a party without the 'Soul Train' dance line?"

Gamble still sounded stunned after hearing the news about Cornelius.

"Unbelievable," he said. "That was my man."

Singer Gladys Knight told CNN that Cornelius was an unsung hero whose show amplified the message, "I'm black and I'm proud."

"He encouraged us to be ourselves," she said. "We're going to give you this platform and you go out and do your thing."

Sociologist Lee said that message -- be black and proud -- drove the civil rights movement. And just as the civil rights movement overturned segregation, Cornelius erased cultural barriers that separated white and black Americans living apart in their own cultural cocoons.

"I see Cornelius as a civil rights activist," said Lee, author of "Erotic Revolutionaries."

"The civil rights movement changed the legal structure; Cornelius changed the cultural structure. Changing the culture can change hearts in a way that protests can't."

Cornelius first changed television.

TV had not been known as friendly terrain for African-Americans before "Soul Train." Blacks were often seen in caricatured roles -- as minstrels, servants or outlaws. They were seen through the lens of white America.

"Soul Train" changed the focus. It lifted the veil on black America and showed blacks being themselves, and not as whites imagined them, said Lee.

"The show introduced the notion that blacks were creative, we have something to offer and we're not going anywhere. And if you give us a chance, you might like some of our moves," Lee said.

Cornelius offered white America a new way to see black men, Lee says. He wasn't a sidekick or servant, nor was he angry.

"He walked a tightrope," Lee said. "If he was too in-your-face, he would have been offensive on television, or too accommodating he would have been perceived as an Uncle Tom.

"He was soooo cool."

The cool apparently wasn't an act to those who knew him and knew how he launched "Soul Train."

The man behind the voice


Cornelius took a big risk to start "Soul Train." He was a former insurance salesman who entered broadcasting in the mid-1960s. He gave up a steady paycheck as a salesman because he'd often been told he had a wonderful voice for broadcasting.

He was inspired by another television music host.

"Almost all of what I learned about mounting and hosting a dance show I learned from Dick Clark," the producer and host of "American Bandstand," he once told Advertising Age.

Cornelius was used to taking risks -- he used $400 of his own money to shoot a pilot and faced skepticism at many turns.

Yet he had an edge -- "Soul Train" was a novel idea.

There had been any number of radio programs focusing on black music and black listeners, but "Soul Train" was the first nationwide black-oriented music-variety TV show. It was also one of the most successful TV programs ever: To this day, its 35 years in syndication are a record.

"If you're an African-American of a certain age, 'Soul Train' was as important to your weekend mornings as your milk was to your cereal," broadcasting personality Tom Joyner wrote in 2010.

Cornelius also was a shrewd businessman. He used a partnership with Sears and Chicago-based cosmetics company Johnson Products to take the show national in 1971 after a year's run in Chicago. He also stayed true to his market -- and by doing so helped popularize African-American artists among a wide audience.

He gave a number of black performers their big break, including Shalamar, Rosie Perez and Nick Cannon -- the latter two as dancers.

Soul Train's fashions


The fashions on "Soul Train" were almost as important as the music. Every Saturday, teenagers all across America tuned in to see what the "Soul Train" dancers were wearing. Viewers even paid attention to the commercials, where companies sold black beauty products such as Ultra-Sheen.

He was the pope of soul.
Shayne Lee, sociologist, on Don Cornelius of Soul Train

"It was appointment television in our household, and the clothes were talked about as much if not more than the new dance moves," said Billboard magazine editor Danyel Smith. "The style of 'Soul Train' is a book, a movie, a documentary in and of itself. It was flashy, it was big, it was bold, it was sexy -- and frankly it was a way that I think many in America hadn't seen African-Americans look. To just even see people from another part of the country -- people forget how revolutionary that was back in the '70s."

No matter how popular "Soul Train" became, Cornelius never forgot those who worked behind the stage, said Christopher Lehman, author of "A Critical History of Soul Train on Television."

"He wanted to make sure that he had African-Americans involved in every level of production. He had African-American directors, and of course he had African-American dancers," Lehman told CNN Radio's Matt Cherry.

"If there had not been a 'Soul Train' there would not have been a whole network like BET that tries to do on a network level what Don Cornelius did on a program level."

In his later years, Cornelius became an elder statesman for the black music scene. He would show up at awards shows -- impeccably tailored as usual -- to receive accolades for "Soul Train."

Looking at him then, it was hard to imagine the risks he took when he started "Soul Train."

But NewsOne's Don Charnas remembered. Once, James Brown -- then the biggest name in soul music -- wondered how Cornelius would succeed.

"Who's backing you on this?" he asked Cornelius repeatedly.

"It's just me, James," Cornelius answered.

Not anymore.

Cornelius' wonderful voice -- like the music and style of "Soul Train" -- is now a permanent part of America's soundtrack.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...?hpt=hp_c2

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Reply #161 posted 02/01/12 2:14pm

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sad This show and Don changed my life. As much as I used to be punished for watching, I watched anyway no matter how many beatings I got. I have been so sad all day long... sad

RIP Don...L, P, & S

"Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack
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Reply #162 posted 02/01/12 2:15pm

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He beat up his wife... confused I respect him for the making the show but R.I.P. I have nothing else to add.

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Reply #163 posted 02/01/12 2:18pm

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Andy, it wasn't my Uncle Teddy who killed himself-thanks for asking.

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #164 posted 02/01/12 2:19pm

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no image, why did you get beat for watching soul train

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #165 posted 02/01/12 2:30pm

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You didn't have to get a beating at my house not to see it--you couldn't get any reception for it. mad The only place we kids could watch it was at my grandparent's house in the country on the old black and white TV... rolleyes lol Saw some great shows but missed many more.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #166 posted 02/01/12 2:31pm

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Timmy84 said:

OT (just a smudge) but can I say that I'm sick of Jesse Jackson? rolleyes He always gotta put his TWO CENTS IN whenever some legendary figure of black pop culture dies... especially a figure like Don's. I'm a little upset Al Sharpton was at Etta's funeral for instance. Al was mentioned in the Don one too but I'd expected him because Don had him on his show when James Brown was on in '74 and Al wasn't even 20 yet I don't think.

I remember when Michael died they were all over the place. Al was hanging out with Joe in front of Hayvenhurst. falloff

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Reply #167 posted 02/01/12 2:37pm

Timmy84

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

OT (just a smudge) but can I say that I'm sick of Jesse Jackson? rolleyes He always gotta put his TWO CENTS IN whenever some legendary figure of black pop culture dies... especially a figure like Don's. I'm a little upset Al Sharpton was at Etta's funeral for instance. Al was mentioned in the Don one too but I'd expected him because Don had him on his show when James Brown was on in '74 and Al wasn't even 20 yet I don't think.

I remember when Michael died they were all over the place. Al was hanging out with Joe in front of Hayvenhurst. falloff

Yes! falloff I remembered that craziness.

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Reply #168 posted 02/01/12 2:49pm

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My childhood is slowly slipping away from me.

Thanks for the dance-filled Saturday mornings Don. R.I.P.

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Reply #169 posted 02/01/12 3:13pm

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It's sad that he would take his own life like that, but maybe he was suffering from some undisclosed terminal condition that he didn't want to have to deal with the effects of, like cancer, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, etc. I know when my father died from amilydosis, which is a rare autoimmune disease, he progressed from being really healthy to not being able to walk or move his arms, and he also lost control of his bladder and colon over time. sad Unbeknownst to me at the time, as I was only a kid back then, my father had comtemplated suicide several times. I can sort of understand why someone in such a frail health state would rathe end it all early instead of dealing with a progressively worsening condition where they lose control of their faculties and have to have constant care by a hospice or nursing home.

At any rate, he was the epitome of cool. I will always cherish the memories of Soul Train and the cultural icon he created. May he rest in love, peace, and soul.

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Reply #170 posted 02/01/12 3:27pm

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Don Cornelius and Soul Train were a part of my childhood and helped influence my musical taste. I have great memories of him and the show.

Rest In Peace.

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Reply #171 posted 02/01/12 3:51pm

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Timmy84 said:

It seemed judging from the last years of his life, Don Cornelius had a lot of demons. Lest not we forget he was charged with domestic battery about four years ago. And he wanted to leave his wife. Apparently they were still married when he allegedly pulled the trigger that ended his life. Don't ever assume because someone acts the way he did that he lived a life of leisure. Brother had demons. I guess he couldn't take it anymore but it's crazy how you never know how celebrities feel about their own lives despite the joy they gave to others as Don had for three decades.

Oh I thought he was divorced. I guess the articles have been inaccurate on this issue.

"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #172 posted 02/01/12 3:54pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:

It seemed judging from the last years of his life, Don Cornelius had a lot of demons. Lest not we forget he was charged with domestic battery about four years ago. And he wanted to leave his wife. Apparently they were still married when he allegedly pulled the trigger that ended his life. Don't ever assume because someone acts the way he did that he lived a life of leisure. Brother had demons. I guess he couldn't take it anymore but it's crazy how you never know how celebrities feel about their own lives despite the joy they gave to others as Don had for three decades.

Oh I thought he was divorced.

Might've been, I was under the assumption he was still married until I read the AP article.

[Edited 2/1/12 15:54pm]

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Reply #173 posted 02/01/12 3:55pm

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728huey said:

It's sad that he would take his own life like that, but maybe he was suffering from some undisclosed terminal condition that he didn't want to have to deal with the effects of, like cancer, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, etc. I know when my father died from amilydosis, which is a rare autoimmune disease, he progressed from being really healthy to not being able to walk or move his arms, and he also lost control of his bladder and colon over time. sad Unbeknownst to me at the time, as I was only a kid back then, my father had comtemplated suicide several times. I can sort of understand why someone in such a frail health state would rathe end it all early instead of dealing with a progressively worsening condition where they lose control of their faculties and have to have constant care by a hospice or nursing home.

At any rate, he was the epitome of cool. I will always cherish the memories of Soul Train and the cultural icon he created. May he rest in love, peace, and soul.

cry sad bawl pray rose dove fro music typing

I think I believe when he was onstage at the BET Awards in 2009 (or was it 2010?) that he was talking real slow and mumbling. He might've had Alzheimer's... again we gotta wait until the investigation is over and autopsy results are revealed. But his appearance on that show hints he might've had it.

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Reply #174 posted 02/01/12 4:04pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Don Cornelius 911 Call Wa...By His Son

Oh it was his son that called. Oh well... that is sad that he took his own life.

"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #175 posted 02/01/12 4:08pm

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Timmy84 said:



KCOOLMUZIQ said:


I think Don may have felt no one really cared about him anymore. The music industry has a way of forgetting U and tossing u aside when u get a certain age. Especially if U are b----. Don was just on "Unsung" talking about the group Full Force monday...Don't know when he filmed that segment.



Who knows? It might've been more than just being forgotten professionally. I know he felt there was no room for him in the business after the 1980s, which is why he decided to retire as host in 1993. Some people say this In Living Color skit caused him to quit:




I doubt it, the Wayans were regulars on the Soul Train Awards and Soul Train comedy awards in the early 90s. Kim also guest hosted in like 1994.
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Reply #176 posted 02/01/12 4:13pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Who knows? It might've been more than just being forgotten professionally. I know he felt there was no room for him in the business after the 1980s, which is why he decided to retire as host in 1993. Some people say this In Living Color skit caused him to quit:

I doubt it, the Wayans were regulars on the Soul Train Awards and Soul Train comedy awards in the early 90s. Kim also guest hosted in like 1994.

Good then. It seemed a good natured rib at the ST audience and at Don to me. If he hated them they wouldn't have been invited to be on the show. I did remember Kim hosting it in '94.

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Reply #177 posted 02/01/12 4:17pm

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prodigalfan said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Don Cornelius 911 Call Wa...By His Son

Oh it was his son that called. Oh well... that is sad that he took his own life.

Apparently Don called his son this morning and told him what he was going to do.... sad

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #178 posted 02/01/12 4:19pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

prodigalfan said:

Oh it was his son that called. Oh well... that is sad that he took his own life.

Apparently Don called his son this morning and told him what he was going to do.... sad

Aw man. sad

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Reply #179 posted 02/01/12 4:20pm

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DON CORNELIUS Ex-Wife Scores Huge Life Insurance Payout

Viktoria Chapman Cornelius
Don Cornelius
died with 2 life insurance policies worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the ex-wife he hated will get all the money ... TMZ has learned.

Don's breakup with Viktoria Chapman Cornelius was brutal. He was convicted of domestic abuse and, according to him, she pepper sprayed him multiple times.

During the divorce in 2009, Don said in legal docs obtained by TMZ, 'I am 72 years old. I have significant health issues. I want to finalize this divorce before I die."

The divorce was indeed finalized later that year, but there's a provision in the settlement agreement that says Don must make Viktoria the beneficiary of both of hislife insurance policies -- totaling around $300,000 in benefits.

Under California law, if a policyholder commits suicide within 2 years of the time the policy is issued, the company can deny payment. But Don had the policy for more than 2 years, so Viktoria -- the woman he despised -- will get the loot.

I bet he wouldn't have commited suicide if he knew this was going to happen! sad

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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