The Turners doing the blues as best as they know how to do it:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I absolutely HATE her 80's and later work. So for me, Ike was the best thing that ever happened to Tina. Their music and performances were stellar and ahead of their time. I wouldn't respect and admire Tina if it wasn't for the years she spent with Ike creating a solid catalog of music that Beyonce, Fantasia & etc are desperately trying to remake.

I really wish they would release a comprehensive antholgy of their work together. It would be really nice to have all the hits and rarities all in one place to fully get a feel for their undeniable chemistry that has become legendary in every sense. Tina ~ 2nd Generation DIVA!!

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I agree.. I love Tina but I greatly prefer her work with Ike... thats her best... hands down...

The female James Brown in action... (obviously). She was definitely the James Brown of the Big T.N.T. Show. I think the Ronettes were headliners on the bill and they went on after Ike & Tina. Big mistake. Much like the Stones and JB at the T.A.M.I. Awards a year prior.

She is such an electrifying performer... she is definitly the female version of James Brown...

^^^

Totally agree. I've ALWAYS said Tina is the female James Brown-they even have a similar vocal style. No doubt about the fact that Tina is one of the greatest performers of all time.

As far as her music goes, while I do enjoy some of her solo work, I do have to agree with others that her output with Ike was far better. I prefer her doing the soulful thing.

i love it all...the solo, the duo stuff, the covers, the originals, "Wildest Dreams," "Acid Queen," songs like "I Idolize You"...it's amazing shit from top to bottom and yes, Ike is / was a musical genius. I always wonder too if he wasn't just the abusive/angrier/worse evil of the two, and if she wasn't also high and doing crazy stuff sometimes too, but that's "another thread" as they say here

She'd be DEAD now if she didn't leave when she did. And this would be totally different discussion, like "if she released solo work, what would it be like?"

But yes, even the critics say her work with Ike is superior. The woman is still badass, she's sold the most concert tickets for a reason.

^ She actually left at the right time since the act was getting REAL stale. Ike NEVER recovered IMHO.

badujunkie said:

i love it all...the solo, the duo stuff, the covers, the originals, "Wildest Dreams," "Acid Queen," songs like "I Idolize You"...it's amazing shit from top to bottom and yes, Ike is / was a musical genius. I always wonder too if he wasn't just the abusive/angrier/worse evil of the two, and if she wasn't also high and doing crazy stuff sometimes too, but that's "another thread" as they say here

Heh who knows how their lives actually were. I can believe the stories of abuse but I think Tina could pull her own weight. It's just at one point she just got tired of "dealing with it" so to speak and finally bounced. I'm just so mad how people just skip between 1976 and 1984 because there were some incredible moments after she left Ike. I think her whole story sometimes gets overlooked by lots. It's an amazing story. Her and Ike led such incredible lives even though they proved to be a bad match personally.

JoeTyler said:

Good thread

I CAN separate the man from the music when it comes to "IKE AND TINA"

but I just CAN'T hear a song from his solo years...fuck him

I hear you. it's just that I feel the same way about Tina lol

BombSquad said:

JoeTyler said:

Good thread

I CAN separate the man from the music when it comes to "IKE AND TINA"

but I just CAN'T hear a song from his solo years...fuck him

I hear you. it's just that I feel the same way about Tina lol

Like I said, when they departed so abruptly, their artistry fell off with it. Not saying Tina didn't have her moments (the Private Dancer album was her best solo album ever for a reason) but it seems the both of their weaknesses showed once Tina finally made a run from Ike's crazy ass in July '76.

But maybe that's more to do with Tina's manager (Roger Davies) than anything... With Ike, it seemed he couldn't find his groove and just became more enthralled in drug addiction than music until he was put in jail.

Not gonna lie when I first heard that he died it shocked me actually because he was just starting to "come back" as a musician.

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This is one of my favorite I&T songs, recorded just prior to them breaking up. Tina wrote it solely (much like "Nutbush", you could tell):

Talk about women's lib lol Marc Bolan of T. Rex allegedly was part of these sessions (and Gloria Jones could be heard as a background vocalist; this is according to Gloria herself).

if tina hadn't have made her "escape" from ike when she did, i doubt if she would have survived much longer. either she would have been permanently disfigured, physically unable to continue a vocal career or would have become a loser/doper. (ike had no mercy!)

true storey: i had an older friend who says she knew ike. she remembers when they were in the california bay area (back in the day). she had got invited to a ike & tina concert after party. when she arrived at their hotel suite for the after party she remembers hearing ike yelling at tina in the bathroom of the suite. when they both left the bathroom, tina's hair and clothes were a mess. Ike followed and anyone in the suite could tell he had just beat the hell out of tina. (tina left the after party after the domestic violence incident w/out returning to the party.)

I love tina w/out ike. she's the one that made ike more noticeable to the music public world wide.

w/out tina, ike would have ended up in obscurity and left as a minor note in music history.

i don't feel she was or is trying to be a female "mick jagger," she was just proving to the rock music world that she was a qualified female rock and roll vocalist. (and she's done just that) her many concerts had record number ticket sales world wide.

note: she taught mick jagger much of his stage dance moves. (so maybe mick was trying to be "tina.")

^ Personally I'm also glad she's without Ike. But I don't think no one would accuse her of being a "female Mick Jagger". She still carries off as a "female James Brown" though just based on her performances.

She had fine moments as a solo artist, I just played this last night:

But I agree otherwise. Tina left Ike at the RIGHT TIME. Ike's drug addiction had gotten real bad and this made his fights more and more violent.

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From 1970's Come Together:

This was probably recorded in the beginning of Ike's cocaine addiction because this song was written about him and it seems autobiographical from his perspective with Tina singing his words.

Young, dumb, full of... c'mon to me...

Gunsnhalen said:

Rocket 88 was one of the earliest examples of what R&R would be in a decade from then. To me he is alongside with Robert Johnson, Little Richard, Chuck Berry etc. As one of the kings of R&R he was an innovater..

A lot of artists i like sadly where not great people, Ray Charles, Axl Rose, Darby Crash, Jim Morrison etc. So i ignore personal lifes as much as i can.

What did Ray Charles do?

crazymouse said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Rocket 88 was one of the earliest examples of what R&R would be in a decade from then. To me he is alongside with Robert Johnson, Little Richard, Chuck Berry etc. As one of the kings of R&R he was an innovater..

A lot of artists i like sadly where not great people, Ray Charles, Axl Rose, Darby Crash, Jim Morrison etc. So i ignore personal lifes as much as i can.

What did Ray Charles do?

1. Did heroin
2. A womanizer
3. An alleged abusive taskmasker (don't know if it was just his band mates or not)
4. Gun-toter (he shot at someone once in the '80s I think)

Their cover of the Crow song, "Evil Woman". Black Sabbath did a version too.