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You know that old saying: "you made your bed, now lie in it"?

It seems like for years, Ike Turner had to live in that bed after his ex Tina basically aired him out on his bullshit after 14 years of marriage (yes I said 14; the other two years where they were in divorce court don't count for me).

After the film version loosely based off Tina's own autobiography, "I, Tina", Ike Turner's character was made out to be a less talented, jealous, raping, cake-forcing, gun-toting villain. I'm guessing the reasons for Ike's villian depiction and Turner's more, I guess, saintly depiction was to illustrate the personal hell Tina (the artist formerly known as Annie "Little Ann" Bullock) went through with him.

But to dismiss Ike Turner in a musical sense is dangerous because it makes one think that anyone could've discovered Tina, that anyone could've made Tina a star. Thing is we really don't know, we can only guess. Maybe fate drew them together.

To think about it, Ike & Tina to me in a personal sense had more in common in their upbringing: they were born in the South during the Great Depression, Ike's father died when he was still young (there's two accounts on how Ike's father's death occurred), his mother died when he was still a teenager, Tina's parents abandoned her and her later relationship with her mother was real strained at best. They each moved to St. Louis to find a better life (Ike moved to find a place where he could create his music and Tina to become a star).

Everyone probably already knows that had it not been for the guiding hand of Ike Turner in their early years, there wouldn't have been a Tina Turner. Even Tina herself knows this.

But I'm guessing for many folks, and some folks here, they can't separate the man from the music. Now I know what some of you reading this may say, "but he was physically abusive" (so was a lot of artists who came up around the same time Ike did) or "he didn't treat her right" (most musical spouses don't last too long) or "he cheated on her" (duh) or even "he was possessive and jealous" (Phil Spector literally locked Ronnie Spector up until she left his home one day in bare feet; two years prior to Tina finally making her escape from Ike).

All I'm saying is for all of his terrible and horrific actions he conflicted on Tina, there's no doubt that musically, they made for a great pair and it's shocking to note that once they finally did separate and Tina produced what some still say is "the greatest comeback in music history", neither of them really recovered artistically. For Ike, he never recovered fully from Tina's exit (he even tried to hire several women trying to create another Tina Even their son Ronnie said that Ike was still trying to locate Tina).

But I'm only doing this thread to see where everyone's head is at about Ike & Tina, not their personal life (their personal lives have been the prototype for abusive famous relationships), but their great (in my opinion) musical work.

Sure Ike Turner was a chump for what he did to Tina - but I guess most guys were since people claim those were "different times" (and I can see why they would say that) but for some who are Tina fans to say that Ike was either a footnote or a nonfactor in Tina's ascent don't really know the full story behind how they became Ike & Tina.

So I guess all I'm saying is what do you think about their entire musical output? And do you think Tina would've had had the same ascent had she not met an Ike Turner and was still Anna Mae Bullock?

I absolutely HATE her 80's and later work. So for me, Ike was the best thing that ever happened to Tina. Their music and performances were stellar and ahead of their time. I wouldn't respect and admire Tina if it wasn't for the years she spent with Ike creating a solid catalog of music that Beyonce, Fantasia & etc are desperately trying to remake.

I really wish they would release a comprehensive antholgy of their work together. It would be really nice to have all the hits and rarities all in one place to fully get a feel for their undeniable chemistry that has become legendary in every sense. Tina ~ 2nd Generation DIVA!!

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Timmy84 said:

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You know that old saying: "you made your bed, now lie in it"?

It seems like for years, Ike Turner had to live in that bed after his ex Tina basically aired him out on his bullshit after 14 years of marriage (yes I said 14; the other two years where they were in divorce court don't count for me).

After the film version loosely based off Tina's own autobiography, "I, Tina", Ike Turner's character was made out to be a less talented, jealous, raping, cake-forcing, gun-toting villain. I'm guessing the reasons for Ike's villian depiction and Turner's more, I guess, saintly depiction was to illustrate the personal hell Tina (the artist formerly known as Annie "Little Ann" Bullock) went through with him.

But to dismiss Ike Turner in a musical sense is dangerous because it makes one think that anyone could've discovered Tina, that anyone could've made Tina a star. Thing is we really don't know, we can only guess. Maybe fate drew them together.

To think about it, Ike & Tina to me in a personal sense had more in common in their upbringing: they were born in the South during the Great Depression, Ike's father died when he was still young (there's two accounts on how Ike's father's death occurred), his mother died when he was still a teenager, Tina's parents abandoned her and her later relationship with her mother was real strained at best. They each moved to St. Louis to find a better life (Ike moved to find a place where he could create his music and Tina to become a star).

Everyone probably already knows that had it not been for the guiding hand of Ike Turner in their early years, there wouldn't have been a Tina Turner. Even Tina herself knows this.

But I'm guessing for many folks, and some folks here, they can't separate the man from the music. Now I know what some of you reading this may say, "but he was physically abusive" (so was a lot of artists who came up around the same time Ike did) or "he didn't treat her right" (most musical spouses don't last too long) or "he cheated on her" (duh) or even "he was possessive and jealous" (Phil Spector literally locked Ronnie Spector up until she left his home one day in bare feet; two years prior to Tina finally making her escape from Ike).

All I'm saying is for all of his terrible and horrific actions he conflicted on Tina, there's no doubt that musically, they made for a great pair and it's shocking to note that once they finally did separate and Tina produced what some still say is "the greatest comeback in music history", neither of them really recovered artistically. For Ike, he never recovered fully from Tina's exit (he even tried to hire several women trying to create another Tina Even their son Ronnie said that Ike was still trying to locate Tina).

But I'm only doing this thread to see where everyone's head is at about Ike & Tina, not their personal life (their personal lives have been the prototype for abusive famous relationships), but their great (in my opinion) musical work.

Sure Ike Turner was a chump for what he did to Tina - but I guess most guys were since people claim those were "different times" (and I can see why they would say that) but for some who are Tina fans to say that Ike was either a footnote or a nonfactor in Tina's ascent don't really know the full story behind how they became Ike & Tina.

So I guess all I'm saying is what do you think about their entire musical output? And do you think Tina would've had had the same ascent had she not met an Ike Turner and was still Anna Mae Bullock?

The title of the post was out of left field and compelling. But your post is a little stunning. I am wondering what you would look like after Ike beat the hell out of you.

My favorite Tina Turner song is that whole body of work with Ike Turner. The music they made together was like a

PlayboyOriginal said:

Ike was bad-ass by himself:

silverchild said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I absolutely HATE her 80's and later work. So for me, Ike was the best thing that ever happened to Tina. Their music and performances were stellar and ahead of their time. I wouldn't respect and admire Tina if it wasn't for the years she spent with Ike creating a solid catalog of music that Beyonce, Fantasia & etc are desperately trying to remake.

I really wish they would release a comprehensive antholgy of their work together. It would be really nice to have all the hits and rarities all in one place to fully get a feel for their undeniable chemistry that has become legendary in every sense. Tina ~ 2nd Generation DIVA!!

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There's already one... [img:$uid]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517QyPTAb6L._SS500_.jpg[/img:$uid]

OMG where can I find this at?

PlayboyOriginal said:

I absolutely HATE her 80's and later work. So for me, Ike was the best thing that ever happened to Tina. Their music and performances were stellar and ahead of their time. I wouldn't respect and admire Tina if it wasn't for the years she spent with Ike creating a solid catalog of music that Beyonce, Fantasia & etc are desperately trying to remake.

I really wish they would release a comprehensive antholgy of their work together. It would be really nice to have all the hits and rarities all in one place to fully get a feel for their undeniable chemistry that has become legendary in every sense. Tina ~ 2nd Generation DIVA!!

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As silverchild posted, they released the box set, The Ike & Tina Turner Story: 1960-1975 on Rhino Records shortly after Ike's death.

PlayboyOriginal said:

silverchild said:

PlayboyOriginal said: There's already one... [img:$uid]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517QyPTAb6L._SS500_.jpg[/img:$uid]

OMG where can I find this at?

I would say check Amazon but after I mention that, someone comes back with things like "damn it said it costs $100!"

Just found this one last weekend:

Timmy84 said:

Thank you.... I've never ran across this on Amazon and I've literally been looking for such a thing. I will definitely be adding this to the collection.

My top 5 Ike & Tina songs:

River Deep, Mountain High..... one of my all-time favorite songs

Nutbush City Limits

A Fool In Love

I Want To Take You Higher

Proud Mary

I posted this song on a separate thread:

You can see why Tina was called "the female James Brown".

That's such a cute pic. They look like Hov & B there.

For what ever reason, Tina has no desire to have anything to do with Ike and shes seems perfectly happy that way for about 30 years.

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lazycrockett said:

For what ever reason, Tina has no desire to have anything to do with Ike and shes seems perfectly happy that way.

What? Ike is dead honey. She couldn't if she wanted to.

I know hes dead, but even when he was with us good angels Tina didnt want anything to do with his ilk. N yes I like to think that Tina beat the shit out of that fucker with her white high heel shoes and brushed her wig asking for a room with the change in her purse.

cause thats

lazycrockett said:

For what ever reason, Tina has no desire to have anything to do with Ike and shes seems perfectly happy that way for about 30 years.

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Ike's been dead since '07. Of course Tina didn't wanna do anything with him. She wanted to be the next Mick Jagger (i.e., rock star that fills stadiums). Duh. But her overall post-1970s music just wasn't as good (she had some fine moments though).

lazycrockett said:

I know hes dead, but even when he was with us good angels Tina didnt want anything to do with his ilk. N yes I like to think that Tina beat the shit out of that fucker with her white high heel shoes and brushed her wig asking for a room with the change in her purse.

cause thats

Something about Tina tells me she's gangsta (gangsta meaning "she don't take no shit"). She about shot Randy one time! I just wanna know if Tina had to get into fights with other girls over Ike... you never hear those stories. I hear a lot of that in Berry Gordy's...

I honestly don't believe they ever truly loved each other to be honest. I know I'm from the outside looking in but from what I've studied it always seemed like it was more about ambition and "getting somewhere" than an actual relationship. Tina was young and naive, Ike was dumb and abusive. It was bound to fail.

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Rocket 88 was one of the earliest examples of what R&R would be in a decade from then. To me he is alongside with Robert Johnson, Little Richard, Chuck Berry etc. As one of the kings of R&R he was an innovater..

A lot of artists i like sadly where not great people, Ray Charles, Axl Rose, Darby Crash, Jim Morrison etc. So i ignore personal lifes as much as i can.

I do think that Ike has been unfairly villainsed, particularly after the movie, but in the last ten years or so his reputation has been somewhat rehabilitated.

For me his biggest flaw as a musician was that he wasn't a great songwriter nor was he always able to find music that was worth recording. For me much of the Ike and Tine catalog is littered with mediocre music. Often the performances, both Tina's and the bands, elevate the material but I have always felt that they would have been much better off if they had worked with better songwriters. Motown would have neutered them but Stax and/or Atlantic might have been a perfect fit.

Ike and Tina's music is superior to her solo work I remember in Dublin 2009 Tina's 50th anniversary concert I mostly enjoyed her soulful tunes like lets stay together, undercover agent for the blues etc

her voice was made for blues/soul although I do enjoy her explosive rock anthems gets my heart pumping it will always be Tina singing soul that excites me.

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I do believe Anna Mae Bullock would have made it somehow without Ike maybe be through gospel or just from her Sister Alline or her Mother who would have realised her talents eventually

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I wish Tina would stayed with musically but lets face she was not happy or safe

look at this photo of Tina wearing sunglasses indoors before fashionable her face is in bits

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All Tina fans know the bandage on Tina's neck is from Ike throwing boiling hot coffee at her

Ike & Tina created some of the GREATEST Soul music I've ever heard!!! As a child, other than "Proud Mary", I was not familiar with their work. After I saw "What's Love Got To Do With It", and heard how incredible the music was, I was forced to seek out more of Ike & Tina and was very surprised at how fantastic a lot of it was! It seems that many black people (especially men) were not happy that she went public with her violent relationship with Ike. I can't recall who it was, but I remember reading an interview in Vibe magazine back in the 90's with some rapper and he stated that a lot of black men can relate to Ike and understand why Ike did what he did to Tina.

Unfortunately, the duo never really receive the accolades they deserve amongst Soul/R&B music fans. I think that may be part of the reason after 1984, Tina pretty much turned her back on the genre. Actually, it happened before that but I believe her management advised her if she wanted to make a comeback here in America, she would have to go back to her R&B roots. And that's what she did on "Private Dancer". After that, each album moved further and further away from R&B. It's really too bad. Tina is one of the best Soul belters ever!!!!

kitbradley said:

Ike & Tina created some of the GREATEST Soul music I've ever heard!!! As a child, other than "Proud Mary", I was not familiar with their work. After I saw "What's Love Got To Do With It", and heard how incredible the music was, I was forced to seek out more of Ike & Tina and was very surprised at how fantastic a lot of it was! It seems that many black people (especially men) were not happy that she went public with her violent relationship with Ike. I can't recall who it was, but I remember reading an interview in Vibe magazine back in the 90's with some rapper and he stated that a lot of black men can relate to Ike and understand why Ike did what he did to Tina.

Unfortunately, the duo never really receive the accolades they deserve amongst Soul/R&B music fans. I think that may be part of the reason after 1984, Tina pretty much turned her back on the genre. Actually, it happened before that but I believe her management advised her if she wanted to make a comeback here in America, she would have to go back to her R&B roots. And that's what she did on "Private Dancer". After that, each album moved further and further away from R&B. It's really too bad. Tina is one of the best Soul belters ever!!!!

Well, throughout their career they did have some lengthy dry spells when they did not have many hits, that may have something to do with why they are not as respected as some of their peers.

Also, and I say this in pretty much every Ike and Tina thread, their catalog is a complete mess being spread across multiple labels. There are many, many compilations but as far as I know there are none that are truly comprehensive. The Ike and Tina Turner Story box set was mentioned, and it is a good set, but it is missing some great material from the mid-late sixties.

I think it would greatly help their legacy if all of their material was owned by the same label and was reissued and made widely available.

Good thread

I CAN separate the man from the music when it comes to "IKE AND TINA"

but I just CAN'T hear a song from his solo years...fuck him

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=colike

JoeTyler said:

Good thread

I CAN separate the man from the music when it comes to "IKE AND TINA"

but I just CAN'T hear a song from his solo years...fuck him

Does that include pre Tina? If so you are missing some good stuff.

rialb said:

JoeTyler said:

Good thread

I CAN separate the man from the music when it comes to "IKE AND TINA"

but I just CAN'T hear a song from his solo years...fuck him

Does that include pre Tina? If so you are missing some good stuff.

I can live without that

fuck him, again

lol Rocket 88 is all I need

rialb said:

I do think that Ike has been unfairly villainsed, particularly after the movie, but in the last ten years or so his reputation has been somewhat rehabilitated.

For me his biggest flaw as a musician was that he wasn't a great songwriter nor was he always able to find music that was worth recording. For me much of the Ike and Tine catalog is littered with mediocre music. Often the performances, both Tina's and the bands, elevate the material but I have always felt that they would have been much better off if they had worked with better songwriters. Motown would have neutered them but Stax and/or Atlantic might have been a perfect fit.

That was always the problem. Ike wanted a lot of control in they handled their music career, one of the few times where they struck gold was doing others' material ("It's Gonna Work Out Fine", "River Deep - Mountain High", "I Want to Take You Higher", "Proud Mary"). I think their own music got better after the late '60s but I agree it was spotty but their very early '60s material holds a soft spot in my heart for some reason, maybe partially to Tina's very raspy and screechy voice. I loved her voice after the '70s (where it had obviously matured) but it's great hearing a teenage Tina Turner letting loose.

shellyk84 said:

Ike and Tina's music is superior to her solo work I remember in Dublin 2009 Tina's 50th anniversary concert I mostly enjoyed her soulful tunes like lets stay together, undercover agent for the blues etc

her voice was made for blues/soul although I do enjoy her explosive rock anthems gets my heart pumping it will always be Tina singing soul that excites me.

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I do believe Anna Mae Bullock would have made it somehow without Ike maybe be through gospel or just from her Sister Alline or her Mother who would have realised her talents eventually

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I wish Tina would stayed with musically but lets face she was not happy or safe

look at this photo of Tina wearing sunglasses indoors before fashionable her face is in bits

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All Tina fans know the bandage on Tina's neck is from Ike throwing boiling hot coffee at her

I agree. Tina would've had left anyway. It's sad seeing those footages and I did notice the bandage. Ike was a cruel taskmaster and not at all a good husband. But Ike admitted this because he said he and Tina were illegally married, meaning he was still married to his other wife (the mother of his two eldest sons) for a good hot minute.

Never saw those pictures of Tina with her mother and sister like that.