bboy87 said:

Tom Mesereau said back in 2009 or 2010 that during the trial, he saw how folks who said they loved him or were his friends, they refused to show support and the phone numbers stopped working. When Michael was taken in in November 2003 and Quincy made the statement "I know the music, not the man", I assumed he was on those people

Q also said back in 2009 that compared to the other artists he's worked with, Michael didn't have much talent and wasn't in the same league...take that how you want

here's what Bruce said

"I don't have any first-hand knowledge of Michael doing any of the things that he is accused of. But people that I trust implicitly claim that they have seen things. That's why I couldn't come forward in Michael's defense when I was asked.

When you are under oath you MUST tell the truth.

'I can't truly vouche for Michael's character. No one can do that but Michael. I have worked with him closely since he was 17 years old. I have never personally seen him do any of the things that he is accused of. Have you?

I have been told things that would curl your hair about Michael. I have not seen any of those things. Have you?

By-the-way, when I was asked to come forward for Michael, I couldn't do it! Not with any good conscience.'

I just found what he said about the 2007 WMAs. He said that he was ashamed of MJ about the way he was running his life and when someone asked him if there was a chance that he, Michael, and Quincy would reunite, he responded "Not a prayer" and that he's angry that Michael in recent years has crapped on many people who helped him get to the top

First I've heard of Bruce's comments. Be interesting to read the full article it was in. The said thing is after 93 MJ was an easy target and people who were either pissed or joealous could throw around rumours or inuendo and people would have second thoughts about it.

But the fact he worked with him again post 93 shows he didn't take it much as fact. Maybe post 2005 he felt there might be something to all the things he heard. Again just a false situation making people think twice.

Sad that he felt that way. But if he resolved his opinion post 2009 then that's what he feels now. People have to have the right to admit they were wrong to think that way.

What I can't understand is *if* (and I don't believe he did) something did go on, then surely those in the know - with proof - who did nothing, were equally to blame. To me it's all just a whole lot of chinese whispers and jealousy playing out and people taking pot shots.

Swa said:

bboy87 said:

Tom Mesereau said back in 2009 or 2010 that during the trial, he saw how folks who said they loved him or were his friends, they refused to show support and the phone numbers stopped working. When Michael was taken in in November 2003 and Quincy made the statement "I know the music, not the man", I assumed he was on those people

Q also said back in 2009 that compared to the other artists he's worked with, Michael didn't have much talent and wasn't in the same league...take that how you want

here's what Bruce said

I just found what he said about the 2007 WMAs. He said that he was ashamed of MJ about the way he was running his life and when someone asked him if there was a chance that he, Michael, and Quincy would reunite, he responded "Not a prayer" and that he's angry that Michael in recent years has crapped on many people who helped him get to the top

First I've heard of Bruce's comments. Be interesting to read the full article it was in. The said thing is after 93 MJ was an easy target and people who were either pissed or joealous could throw around rumours or inuendo and people would have second thoughts about it.

But the fact he worked with him again post 93 shows he didn't take it much as fact. Maybe post 2005 he felt there might be something to all the things he heard. Again just a false situation making people think twice.

Sad that he felt that way. But if he resolved his opinion post 2009 then that's what he feels now. People have to have the right to admit they were wrong to think that way.

What I can't understand is *if* (and I don't believe he did) something did go on, then surely those in the know - with proof - who did nothing, were equally to blame. To me it's all just a whole lot of chinese whispers and jealousy playing out and people taking pot shots.

It wasn't from an article. This was on a forum, I think it was Gearslutz

Resolved my ass...

I feel like Stevie Wonder is one of the few people who always stood up for Michael. And I remember back in 2005 he was ready to be a character witness for Michael. I remember on Larry King Stevie was pissed off to hear people talk about Michael that befriended him and then stabbed him in the back.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah like I said, I forget what he said verbatim, maybe bboy could answer it better...

It was 2007-08 and Bruce first talked about the 2007 World Music Awards incident and said he and Quincy just shook their heads on how Michael "changed" or something (can't fully remember). As you guys know, the story was that Michael got booed at the show and Bruce was kinda cosigning other people who were making snide remarks about the whole thing

He also said he'd never work with Michael again

then he spoke about the trial and how Michael and T-Mez asked him to be a character witness because he couldn't on a "good conscience" because he had been told things about Michael "that would make the head on your neck stand up"

but when Michael passed, he spoke about how Michael was like his other son and we all know what Quincy said

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WOW!!! Not Bruce too. I bet this is one of those that T Mesereau said that when he asked them to support Mike in court they refused but after his death there were parating as his friend. Well, FUCK HIM. If he can only support a person when they are on their hight but trush or abbandon them when they are down, then they are cowards as fuck and i can't have a single respect for them.

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"Glee's" take on Michael Jackson's "Smooth Criminal" is off to a fast start.

Covered by the show's Grant Gustin and Naya Rivera (with guests 2Cellos) on its Jan. 31 Michael Jackson-themed episode, the single could perhaps sell 80,000 to 100,000 downloads by the end of the tracking week on Feb. 5. That figure could it earn one of the biggest sales weeks for any single released in "Glee's" third season.

"It is an unbelievable honor to even get to be a part of such a legendary song by the one and only Michael Jackson on one of America's favorite TV shows," Gustin tells Billboard. "I had a blast doing this song with Naya Rivera and the positive response from the fans is an unexpected bonus to an already surreal opportunity."

"Smooth Criminal" was performed in the "Glee" episode as a dueling duet between New Directions' glee club member Santana (Rivera) and the Warblers' captain Sebastian (Gustin).

So far, the show's sales best week in season three came with the mash-up of Adele's "Rumour Has It/Someone Like You," as it sold 160,000 in its premiere frame according to Nielsen SoundScan. Next is their rendition of fun.'s "We Are Young" (a 137,000 bow) and David Guetta's "Without You" (97,000).

If "Smooth Criminal" ultimately sells around 100,000, that could enable a debut on the Digital Songs chart somewhere in the top 20. Over on the Billboard Hot 100 (which blends sales, airplay and streaming data), it may arrive within the top 40.

Curiously, Sony Masterworks recording duo 2Cellos isn't credited as an artist on the track in the iTunes Store. It's often customary for guest stars to receive featured billing, and thus ultimately receive credit on the Billboard charts. In the past, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jonathan Groff, Kristin Chenoweth, Olivia Newton-John, Neil Patrick Harris and Idina Menzel have all earned featured billing.

( UPDATE: Feb. 2, 3:13 PM PST: Sony has informed Billboard that the oversight was a clerical error and that 2Cellos will receive credit on the track beginning Friday, Feb. 3, in the iTunes Store.)

http://www.billboard.com/...8162.story

dollarsandcheese said:

I feel like Stevie Wonder is one of the few people who always stood up for Michael. And I remember back in 2005 he was ready to be a character witness for Michael. I remember on Larry King Stevie was pissed off to hear people talk about Michael that befriended him and then stabbed him in the back.

I love Stevie Wonder.. he was a very good friend to Michael.

What do you guys think of Michael's bands soundwise?

Listening to bootlegs and video footage, the best IMO were the Destiny Tour, Triumph Tour, and Dangerous Tour bands. Bad was great too but certain songs were overtaken by synths

bboy87 said:

What do you guys think of Michael's bands soundwise?

Listening to bootlegs and video footage, the best IMO were the Destiny Tour, Triumph Tour, and Dangerous Tour bands. Bad was great too but certain songs were overtaken by synths

The best band Michael used was during the Triumph Tour. The Dangerous Tour had a nice band though too.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

What do you guys think of Michael's bands soundwise?

Listening to bootlegs and video footage, the best IMO were the Destiny Tour, Triumph Tour, and Dangerous Tour bands. Bad was great too but certain songs were overtaken by synths

The best band Michael used was during the Triumph Tour. The Dangerous Tour had a nice band though too.

After listening to audio from the Destiny, Triumph, and Victory Tours, I gotta say the Destiny and Triumph tours beat Victory. with the 2 previous tours, they were competing with EW&F, The Commodores and Isleys, and any band with a flutist and horn section gets my admiration

HIStory felt cold. Other than a few songs, they pretty much used the multitracks from the album

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

The best band Michael used was during the Triumph Tour. The Dangerous Tour had a nice band though too.

After listening to audio from the Destiny, Triumph, and Victory Tours, I gotta say the Destiny and Triumph tours beat Victory. with the 2 previous tours, they were competing with EW&F, The Commodores and Isleys, and any band with a flutist and horn section gets my admiration

HIStory felt cold. Other than a few songs, they pretty much used the multitracks from the album

The HIStory tour was going over the motions to be honest. Michael was already growing disenchanted with the business at that point so it wasn't as focused as the previous tours. The Destiny Tour band was very nice too...

Totally random post, but I just read this in the YouTube comments section and I had to repost it someplace :

*head explodes*

Dren5 said:

Totally random post, but I just read this in the YouTube comments section and I had to repost it someplace :

micheal jackson oh yes he got it, all the moaning it drives me crazy he a very sexy man!.

the song is so passion!,fill with so much love!.

love is serious,he was crying all threw the hole song!.

mj love pussy!,can't fake them sounds!.

this man being rocking my world! from childhood!!.

rip to the king of pop!,there will never be another micheal jackson!.

real talk!

*head explodes*

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You have like, noooo sense of humor right now lmao.

Kooky MJ fans are good for a laugh, if nothing else.

Dren5 said:

You have like, noooo sense of humor right now lmao.

Kooky MJ fans are good for a laugh, if nothing else.

No sense of humor? You got me fucked up.

It's just stupid lol

Dren5 said:

Totally random post, but I just read this in the YouTube comments section and I had to repost it someplace :

micheal jackson oh yes he got it, all the moaning it drives me crazy he a very sexy man!.

the song is so passion!,fill with so much love!.

love is serious,he was crying all threw the hole song!.

mj love pussy!,can't fake them sounds!.

this man being rocking my world! from childhood!!.

rip to the king of pop!,there will never be another micheal jackson!.

real talk!

*head explodes*

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thank God for the Google Chrome Youtube comment blocker extension!

bboy87 said:

Dren5 said:

Totally random post, but I just read this in the YouTube comments section and I had to repost it someplace :

micheal jackson oh yes he got it, all the moaning it drives me crazy he a very sexy man!.

the song is so passion!,fill with so much love!.

love is serious,he was crying all threw the hole song!.

mj love pussy!,can't fake them sounds!.

this man being rocking my world! from childhood!!.

rip to the king of pop!,there will never be another micheal jackson!.

real talk!

*head explodes*

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thank God for the Google Chrome Youtube comment blocker extension!

Damn Google got a YouTube comment blocker ap?! Wow... maybe I need to get back on Chrome.

that comment makes me think of that lloyd song about pussy aka loving

alphastreet said:

that comment makes me think of that lloyd song about pussy aka loving

...THAAAAANK you.

I love the way MJ fans act like they're allergic to sex jokes just because MJ use to talk about being a big kid and climbing trees.

...He also had a nudie mag collection that would rival a sex shop.

Dren5 said:

alphastreet said:

that comment makes me think of that lloyd song about pussy aka loving

...THAAAAANK you.

I love the way MJ fans act like they're allergic to sex jokes just because MJ use to talk about being a big kid and climbing trees.

...He also had a nudie mag collection that would rival a sex shop.

How come Latoya's was missing? never mind, I didn't just go there

those porn mags were from the LMP days hhehehe

alphastreet said:

Dren5 said:

...THAAAAANK you.

I love the way MJ fans act like they're allergic to sex jokes just because MJ use to talk about being a big kid and climbing trees.

...He also had a nudie mag collection that would rival a sex shop.

How come Latoya's was missing? never mind, I didn't just go there

those porn mags were from the LMP days hhehehe

How do you know that?

I don´t mind sex jokes as long as they don't involve little boys.

The dates were mostly from 1994 and 95, you do the math. And the boys jokes make me so mad, I would just not go there.

Dren5 said:

alphastreet said:

that comment makes me think of that lloyd song about pussy aka loving

...THAAAAANK you.

I love the way MJ fans act like they're allergic to sex jokes just because MJ use to talk about being a big kid and climbing trees.

...He also had a nudie mag collection that would rival a sex shop.

Yeah some of the fans can be closet freaks

Y'all HEARD ME! Closet FREAKS!! I've read some of your fanfiction, bitches!!! THAT SHIT NASTY!

I knew Michael was a man. There is no denyin' that. Big kid or no big kid, a man has needs and desires. I mean really, he was a proper man in the sense that he wasn't into giant shows of sexuality and he didn't like girls throwing themselves at him. He believed that sorta stuff should be done behind closed doors. When the doors were locked, well, the glove was off.

He was a normal man like everyone else. I always pictured the man sittin' with his homies, watching pretty birds go by. I bet until that video leaked, most fans couldn't see Mike sayin' "That's some nice fish over there.." or "Look at her titties!".

And yeah, if those sex jokes are about little boys, the teller betta run for his gaddamn life!

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

The best band Michael used was during the Triumph Tour. The Dangerous Tour had a nice band though too.

After listening to audio from the Destiny, Triumph, and Victory Tours, I gotta say the Destiny and Triumph tours beat Victory. with the 2 previous tours, they were competing with EW&F, The Commodores and Isleys, and any band with a flutist and horn section gets my admiration

HIStory felt cold. Other than a few songs, they pretty much used the multitracks from the album

agreed. wish mj used live horns in his tours. triumph sounded the best destiny (first leg) sounded way too naked. they didnt have any horns.

bad just sounds plastic.

dangerous was slightly better.

history,as far as im concerned that whole tour doesnt even count

Nvncible1 said:

bboy87 said:

After listening to audio from the Destiny, Triumph, and Victory Tours, I gotta say the Destiny and Triumph tours beat Victory. with the 2 previous tours, they were competing with EW&F, The Commodores and Isleys, and any band with a flutist and horn section gets my admiration

HIStory felt cold. Other than a few songs, they pretty much used the multitracks from the album

agreed. wish mj used live horns in his tours. triumph sounded the best destiny (first leg) sounded way too naked. they didnt have any horns.

bad just sounds plastic.

dangerous was slightly better.

history,as far as im concerned that whole tour doesnt even count

The first leg of Destiny seemed empty without horns but they did improve on that. I think horns were added on the American leg.

hey fans, can you all name some mj documentarys that you like.

im going to watch the uri geller mj documentary and the doctar a fatal friendship documentary later, i would like to watch many more, could you all list some mj documentaries that you enjoy,

thanks!

Hmm only Michael-related docus I dug were:

Michael Jackson: The Man, The Music, The Legend (I think that's what it was called)

The Making of "Thriller" (of course)

Jacksons: Famous Families

Michael Jackson: The Private Home Movies You Weren't Meant to See

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that's all the ones I can come up with at the moment.

Timmy84 said:

Hmm only Michael-related docus I dug were:

Michael Jackson: The Man, The Music, The Legend (I think that's what it was called)

The Making of "Thriller" (of course)

Jacksons: Famous Families

Michael Jackson: The Private Home Movies You Weren't Meant to See

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that's all the ones I can come up with at the moment.

thank you!

If you can find it, the BBC "The Making of Moonwalker" documentary is brilliant.

bboy87 said:

Tom Mesereau said back in 2009 or 2010 that during the trial, he saw how folks who said they loved him or were his friends, they refused to show support and the phone numbers stopped working. When Michael was taken in in November 2003 and Quincy made the statement "I know the music, not the man", I assumed he was on those people

Q also said back in 2009 that compared to the other artists he's worked with, Michael didn't have much talent and wasn't in the same league...take that how you want

here's what Bruce said

"I don't have any first-hand knowledge of Michael doing any of the things that he is accused of. But people that I trust implicitly claim that they have seen things. That's why I couldn't come forward in Michael's defense when I was asked.

When you are under oath you MUST tell the truth.

'I can't truly vouche for Michael's character. No one can do that but Michael. I have worked with him closely since he was 17 years old. I have never personally seen him do any of the things that he is accused of. Have you?

I have been told things that would curl your hair about Michael. I have not seen any of those things. Have you?

By-the-way, when I was asked to come forward for Michael, I couldn't do it! Not with any good conscience.'

I just found what he said about the 2007 WMAs. He said that he was ashamed of MJ about the way he was running his life and when someone asked him if there was a chance that he, Michael, and Quincy would reunite, he responded "Not a prayer" and that he's angry that Michael in recent years has crapped on many people who helped him get to the top

Senile wincy Jones was just mad , and still when MJ dropped him after Bad and hired teddy riley!

Bruce is the same thing ! he really wanted MJ to hire FOREVER ? WTF