daPrettyman said:

phunkdaddy said:

The difference would be people know who LA Reid and Babyface are. No one outside of

music aficianados knows who the Lewis brothers are. It's like Johnathan stated during

the episode people know the music but don't know them. LA and Babyface can walk

the streets of Atlanta, LA, and New York and most people would instantly recognize

them while the same can't be said of Wayne and David.

Very true. I wonder why they didn't produce and write for more artists. The only one I can remember that they did on the side was "Girl Your Love's So Fine" for the Mac Band's debut album.

They also did one on Sue Ann Carwell's Blue Velvet album.

daPrettyman said:

mltijchr said:

they were, werent't they??

to me - especially Atlantic Star & Starpoint..

they were "relatively safe", middle-of-the-road r&b groups that had a string of hits for a while, but with no long-term impact or indluence.. & they normally featured female lead singers..

I will watch Atlantic Star's "unsung" next week

after I'm back home

I don't see how you guys came up with that. They were definitely NOT interchangable. Midnight Star and Atlantic Starr had totally different sounds. Midnight Star was more of an electo-funk group, while Atlantic Starr had this "uppity" (for lack of a better term) feel to their songs. I think that was largely due to their producer, James Anthony Carmichael. That was his style. His work with LTD, Commodores and Rockie Robbins all has a different feel to it.

True. Also i thought Starpoint was different in the fact they had the powerful

vocals of Renee Diggs. I've think i've read where people accused them of being pop

in the mid eighties but outside of Object of My Desire what other pop hits they had.

They have a lot of good r&b songs even after Object of My Desire. What You've Been

Missin, He Wants My Body, and Midnight Love is as r&b as you can get.

daPrettyman said:

mltijchr said:

they were, werent't they??

to me - especially Atlantic Star & Starpoint..

they were "relatively safe", middle-of-the-road r&b groups that had a string of hits for a while, but with no long-term impact or indluence.. & they normally featured female lead singers..

I will watch Atlantic Star's "unsung" next week

after I'm back home

I don't see how you guys came up with that. They were definitely NOT interchangable. Midnight Star and Atlantic Starr had totally different sounds. Midnight Star was more of an electo-funk group, while Atlantic Starr had this "uppity" (for lack of a better term) feel to their songs. I think that was largely due to their producer, James Anthony Carmichael. That was his style. His work with LTD, Commodores and Rockie Robbins all has a different feel to it.

I agree.These bands were definitely not interchangeable.Midnight Star were into electro-funk (some would even call it "breakdance music",lol).Atlantic Starr had a more sophisticated,soulful sound and most of their singles were either ballads or midtempo.Starpoint were probably the most conventional of the three.They specialized in straightforward R&B/funk.

This was a decent episode, but wow, David Lewis was a big ol' jackass for the way he mistreated Barbara back in the day. Glad they've made peace now (or at least seemed to).

whitechocolatebrotha said:

babybugz said:

Atlantic Starr was the better and most memorable out of those groups.

Starpoint had the MONSTER VOCALS of Renee Diggs (R.I.P.) She could BLOW! Belinda Lipscomb (Midnight Star) was okay, but Sharon Bryant was smooooooooooooooooooooooooth!

Until tonight, I thought Atlantic Starr & Starpoint were the same group. When I saw Barbara, I kept saying, I thought she was dead.

I also wondered why they didn't feature the song, Object Of My Desire. I looked it up on youtube and discovered it was an entirely different group. Looks like they followed the same formula of putting a light skinned blonde in front.

I actually, didn't like how they were replacing these women like they were mere things. Reminded me of the Vanity/Apollonia switch, but they just kept going and going on with it. Very sexist, imo. And they stole Barbara's money right?

Anyway, Barbara was my favorite, but partly because I liked Object Of My Desire so much.

Dupe post.

[Edited 1/20/12 18:49pm]

godyssey said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

Starpoint had the MONSTER VOCALS of Renee Diggs (R.I.P.) She could BLOW! Belinda Lipscomb (Midnight Star) was okay, but Sharon Bryant was smooooooooooooooooooooooooth!

Until tonight, I thought Atlantic Starr & Starpoint were the same group. When I saw Barbara, I kept saying, I thought she was dead.

I also wondered why they didn't feature the song, Object Of My Desire. I looked it up on youtube and discovered it was an entirely different group. Looks like they followed the same formula of putting a light skinned blonde in front.

I actually, didn't like how they were replacing these women like they were mere things. Reminded me of the Vanity/Apollonia switch, but they just kept going and going on with it. Very sexist, imo. And they stole Barbara's money right?

Anyway, Barbara was my favorite, but partly because I liked Object Of My Desire so much.

No. Object of My Desire was Starpoint with Renee Diggs. Atlantic Starr with Barbara were

well known for Secret Lovers, If Your Heart Isn't In It, and Always.

Thanks. Yes, I know. I mentioned that in my post. I was just noting how, although I was incorrect, the song influenced my like of Atlatnic Starr and my opinion of Barbara as their best lead. I guess I should've put a smiley after that sentence.

I know this is late. I am a little behind watching my DVR taped Unsung.

I just watch this episode.

It seems to me that the management really played a role in the original band breaking up.

Is that Harris guy that was interviewed the manager? Because he seems a little shady to me. I think he was the one who stole all of Barbara's money and then feed the ego monster that lived inside David.

Instead of looking at the whole band,. and what was good for the longevity of the band he was looking for the quick buck which would translate to a quick buck for him (through percentages).

Also it appears David was so selfish:

His ego isolated the other band members causing them to quick. Then when Barbara came on he antagonized her until she quick (along with the manager stealing her money). Causing his brother and Barbara to split as well.

But when David found a woman he loved, he just dropped the band and his partnership with his brothers and did not look back. Just kept stepping.

Ego;

that is what broke up a great band. I never got into Atlantic starr after that album As The Band Turns. They were no good after that.

Despite the unfortunate things that happened, i enjoyed the tv-show moments of them with Sharon doing leads on "When Love Calls", i think at Soul Train, and the whole band doing that cool slide from side to side. And "Circles", probably at American Bandstand, with a hyped crowd and Sharon jumping happily up and down at the end of their performance. As also an interviewee on Unsung described, "Circles" has a lush vibe. To get a glimpse of the rare or never-shown-before footage, that's one of the moments i always look forward too.