lowkey said:

go2theMax said:

well, I eat meat. as for now it is not fully proved that we can live healthly without having animal proteins in a long term diet. It is not well known the effects that that kind of diet in a long term 4 the individual or their future generations. But then it's the food chain, it's necessary unless someone fully proves otherwise. U all keep talking about PETA...I really don't know much about them...never paid 2 much attention. Can't say if they can be trust....BUT I can say that support cruelty upon animals 4 vanity is wrong IMO. I would never expect it coming from Janet. There's no hypocrisy as some of u pointed when ran out of good arguments, it is my honest opinion. F**k PETA if they're not good people...but F**k janet 2 4 promoting animal fur.

how can you sit here and post videos of the poor animals being tortured,scold janet and others for wearng fur then turn around and say you eat meat? lol what a fuckin joke

oh come on...get some study please....it's not like I'm wearing a suit of beef...as I said, until fully proved otherwise animal meat is NECESSARY in our diet. The animals that I eat are not skinned alive or live in bad conditions...how do I know that? Becuz I buy meat straight from the farmers here. 4 now I am just as guilty as a lion for eating meat. the joke is actually on ignorant people...no, there's nothing funny about it...it is sad how human being thinks that everything that was created revolves around them...that'll be a price 4 all this

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go2theMax said:

lowkey said:

how can you sit here and post videos of the poor animals being tortured,scold janet and others for wearng fur then turn around and say you eat meat? lol what a fuckin joke

oh come on...get some study please....it's not like I'm wearing a suit of beef...as I said, until fully proved otherwise animal meat is NECESSARY in our diet. The animals that I eat are not skinned alive or live in bad conditions...how do I know that? Becuz I buy meat straight from the farmers here. 4 now I am just as guilty as a lion for eating meat. the joke is actually on ignorant people...no, there's nothing funny about it...it is sad how human being thinks that everything that was created revolves around them...that'll be a price 4 all this

[Edited 12/29/11 4:45am]

I'll tell my many vegan and vegetarian friends that they need to eat meat.

Admit it: your above statements are hypocritical. If sticking a prod up an animal's ass to electrocute him is not torture, then tell me what is?

Like another poster mentioned, do you guys even know if Blackglama tortures or kills animals to get fur?

Vendetta1 said:

go2theMax said:

oh come on...get some study please....it's not like I'm wearing a suit of beef...as I said, until fully proved otherwise animal meat is NECESSARY in our diet. The animals that I eat are not skinned alive or live in bad conditions...how do I know that? Becuz I buy meat straight from the farmers here. 4 now I am just as guilty as a lion for eating meat. the joke is actually on ignorant people...no, there's nothing funny about it...it is sad how human being thinks that everything that was created revolves around them...that'll be a price 4 all this

[Edited 12/29/11 4:45am]

I'll tell my many vegan and vegetarian friends that they need to eat meat.

Admit it: your above statements are hypocritical. If sticking a prod up an animal's ass to electrocute him is not torture, then tell me what is?

Like another poster mentioned, do you guys even know if Blackglama tortures or kills animals to get fur?

oh really, Dr, how long they have been Vegan or vegetarians? were their parents vegetarian 2? did u run tests on these people 2 check if the lack of certain aminoacids that they're not having on their diet caused any damage to any tissue? Can u please post your works on that matter, because up until now we have a lot of theories but no one fully proved anything with that sure.

and sticking a prod up an animal ass? I don't know where u live but it's not how they kill animals used as food down here in Brazil...not the ones that end up in my table 4 sure

[Edited 12/29/11 6:20am]

go2theMax said:

Vendetta1 said:

I'll tell my many vegan and vegetarian friends that they need to eat meat.

Admit it: your above statements are hypocritical. If sticking a prod up an animal's ass to electrocute him is not torture, then tell me what is?

Like another poster mentioned, do you guys even know if Blackglama tortures or kills animals to get fur?

oh really, Dr, how long they have been Vegan or vegetarians? were their parents vegetarian 2? did u run tests on these people 2 check if the lack of certain aminoacids that they're not having on their diet caused any damage to any tissue? Can u please post your works on that matter, because up until now we have a lot of theories but no one fully proved anything with that sure.

Another contradiction. You stated, as if fact, that humans need animal protein to survive. And now, you say there are a bunch of theories? Make up YOUR mind.

I don't need to provide you with jack shit. The vegans and vegetarians in my life are the healthiest souls I know. And you want me to conduct studies on them to prove YOUR point? GTFOOHWTBS.

You're against animal torture and yet eat them after they have been subjected to it. Oh but let me guess? You only eat animals that have been treated humanely?

I gotta go. PETA threads piss me off.

it doesn't matter..most of u have biased opinions. If janet came 2 TV and said "please, dont use animal fur..." u all would be sayin'"that's my girl...I would never use animal fur..." ..that's why it is important that artists stand 4 the right causes if at all...they can influence a lot of people, specially the ones that don't have mind of their own.

Ahhh,,,,

Ivy, Ivy, Ivy

Either you eat meat or you eat just vegetables and non-meat products, man, you can't decide to eat meat and then talk shit about people for wearing fur coats. You either have to be TOTALLY against killing animals for meat products and clothing or not give a fuck about it. Animal activists who are against eating meat and wearing clothing that comes from the killing of animals don't scream about any celebrity for doing it. Extremist vegetarians are as bad as extremist animal hunters. But I guess it's easier to blame a celebrity for doing what it is they do than to just say "well I don't condone it but whatever." It shouldn't make you hate anyone. Hate's a strong word especially when it comes to things like this. Like it ain't that serious man.

Anyway, let this thread die like a carcass on the road like I said earlier...

Vendetta1 said:

go2theMax said:

oh really, Dr, how long they have been Vegan or vegetarians? were their parents vegetarian 2? did u run tests on these people 2 check if the lack of certain aminoacids that they're not having on their diet caused any damage to any tissue? Can u please post your works on that matter, because up until now we have a lot of theories but no one fully proved anything with that sure.

Another contradiction. You stated, as if fact, that humans need animal protein to survive. And now, you say there are a bunch of theories? Make up YOUR mind.

I don't need to provide you with jack shit. The vegans and vegetarians in my life are the healthiest souls I know. And you want me to conduct studies on them to prove YOUR point? GTFOOHWTBS.

You're against animal torture and yet eat them after they have been subjected to it. Oh but let me guess? You only eat animals that have been treated humanely?

I gotta go. PETA threads piss me off.

where did I state that? all we know 4 sure up until now it's that we (human beings...meaning in the timeline of evolution, not someboy's friends or someone's grandpa) got this far having meat in our diet. and we have 2 kill some animals 2 eat them...

Timmy84 said:

Either you eat meat or you eat just vegetables and non-meat products, man, you can't decide to eat meat and then talk shit about people for wearing fur coats. You either have to be TOTALLY against killing animals for meat products and clothing or not give a fuck about it. Animal activists who are against eating meat and wearing clothing that comes from the killing of animals don't scream about any celebrity for doing it. Extremist vegetarians are as bad as extremist animal hunters. But I guess it's easier to blame a celebrity for doing what it is they do than to just say "well I don't condone it but whatever." It shouldn't make you hate anyone. Hate's a strong word especially when it comes to things like this. Like it ain't that serious man.

Anyway, let this thread die like a carcass on the road like I said earlier...

Naw fuck that. I love to eat meat, but I would never walk around in the poor animals skin just to look good. I do believe animals were put here for food and clothing, BUT we really don't need them for clothing anymore, do we?

go2theMax said:

Vendetta1 said:

Another contradiction. You stated, as if fact, that humans need animal protein to survive. And now, you say there are a bunch of theories? Make up YOUR mind.

I don't need to provide you with jack shit. The vegans and vegetarians in my life are the healthiest souls I know. And you want me to conduct studies on them to prove YOUR point? GTFOOHWTBS.

You're against animal torture and yet eat them after they have been subjected to it. Oh but let me guess? You only eat animals that have been treated humanely?

I gotta go. PETA threads piss me off.

where did I state that? all we know 4 sure up until now it's that we (human beings...meaning in the timeline of evolution, not someboy's friends or someone's grandpa) got this far having meat in our diet. and we have 2 kill some animals 2 eat them...

My apologies. You said we need animal meat. And I still call bullshit.

And still: you are against celebs wearing fur but all for killing animals to eat them.

And for the record: I don't wear fur, I don't wear leather and I am not a Janet fan but when people start telling others how they should live their lives, I am all for telling them to go fuck themselves.

Timmy84 said:

Either you eat meat or you eat just vegetables and non-meat products, man, you can't decide to eat meat and then talk shit about people for wearing fur coats. You either have to be TOTALLY against killing animals for meat products and clothing or not give a fuck about it. Animal activists who are against eating meat and wearing clothing that comes from the killing of animals don't scream about any celebrity for doing it. Extremist vegetarians are as bad as extremist animal hunters. But I guess it's easier to blame a celebrity for doing what it is they do than to just say "well I don't condone it but whatever." It shouldn't make you hate anyone. Hate's a strong word especially when it comes to things like this. Like it ain't that serious man.

Anyway, let this thread die like a carcass on the road like I said earlier...

Exactly.

And why people are looking to celebrities to be some type of role models is beyond me.

Tokyo89 said:

Timmy84 said:

Either you eat meat or you eat just vegetables and non-meat products, man, you can't decide to eat meat and then talk shit about people for wearing fur coats. You either have to be TOTALLY against killing animals for meat products and clothing or not give a fuck about it. Animal activists who are against eating meat and wearing clothing that comes from the killing of animals don't scream about any celebrity for doing it. Extremist vegetarians are as bad as extremist animal hunters. But I guess it's easier to blame a celebrity for doing what it is they do than to just say "well I don't condone it but whatever." It shouldn't make you hate anyone. Hate's a strong word especially when it comes to things like this. Like it ain't that serious man.

Anyway, let this thread die like a carcass on the road like I said earlier...

Naw fuck that. I love to eat meat, but I would never walk around in the poor animals skin just to look good. I do believe animals were put here for food and clothing, BUT we really don't need them for clothing anymore, do we?

Well that's just it. People don't HAVE to need it for clothing but are we just gonna randomly pick a celebrity for doing it? I mean if we're gonna go all HAM on Janet for doing it, get back at all the people who wore it for this particular ad. Blackglama been out for a while and many of its female entertainers that took poses for it all wore fur. I don't need animal clothing myself but I'm not gonna call someone evil for wearing a coonskin hat here in the South.

Vendetta1 said:

Timmy84 said:

Either you eat meat or you eat just vegetables and non-meat products, man, you can't decide to eat meat and then talk shit about people for wearing fur coats. You either have to be TOTALLY against killing animals for meat products and clothing or not give a fuck about it. Animal activists who are against eating meat and wearing clothing that comes from the killing of animals don't scream about any celebrity for doing it. Extremist vegetarians are as bad as extremist animal hunters. But I guess it's easier to blame a celebrity for doing what it is they do than to just say "well I don't condone it but whatever." It shouldn't make you hate anyone. Hate's a strong word especially when it comes to things like this. Like it ain't that serious man.

Anyway, let this thread die like a carcass on the road like I said earlier...

Exactly.

And why people are looking to celebrities to be some type of role models is beyond me.

Like Charles Barkley said "I'm not a role model". Shit I stopped looking for celebrities to be role models a while ago. It's not worth it. Just enjoy the music even if you don't like the person.

Yes FOLKS, you can still like the music and not like the person. I still like some of R. Kelly's music for example lol

purplethunder3121 said:

Timmy84 said:

Tokyo89 said:

Naw fuck that. I love to eat meat, but I would never walk around in the poor animals skin just to look good. I do believe animals were put here for food and clothing, BUT we really don't need them for clothing anymore, do we?

Well that's just it. People don't HAVE to need it for clothing but are we just gonna randomly pick a celebrity for doing it? I mean if we're gonna go all HAM on Janet for doing it, get back at all the people who wore it for this particular ad. Blackglama been out for a while and many of its female entertainers that took poses for it all wore fur. I don't need animal clothing myself but I'm not gonna call someone evil for wearing a coonskin hat here in the South.

I googled Blackglama images..

Very disturbing

Tokyo89 said:

Timmy84 said:

Well that's just it. People don't HAVE to need it for clothing but are we just gonna randomly pick a celebrity for doing it? I mean if we're gonna go all HAM on Janet for doing it, get back at all the people who wore it for this particular ad. Blackglama been out for a while and many of its female entertainers that took poses for it all wore fur. I don't need animal clothing myself but I'm not gonna call someone evil for wearing a coonskin hat here in the South.

I googled Blackglama images..

Very disturbing

Why is it disturbing?

I see images of Cher, Liz Taylor, Naomi Campbell and lots of other famous women. I never even heard of Blackglama until I read this thread.

PETA are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. And like any othe extremists, they can kiss the whole of my black ass.

Vendetta1 said:

Tokyo89 said:

I googled Blackglama images..

Very disturbing

Why is it disturbing?

I see images of Cher, Liz Taylor, Naomi Campbell and lots of other famous women. I never even heard of Blackglama until I read this thread.

PETA are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. And like any othe extremists, they can kiss the whole of my black ass.

I feel you. Gucci and LV sell way more handbags than any Fur shop sells coats and you have all thse celebs walking around with these major bags that cost upwards of 10 g's and let's not forget about all the leather that's in the Jordans or any other popular sneakers but Peta don't fuck with them...

banks said:

Vendetta1 said:

Why is it disturbing?

I see images of Cher, Liz Taylor, Naomi Campbell and lots of other famous women. I never even heard of Blackglama until I read this thread.

PETA are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. And like any othe extremists, they can kiss the whole of my black ass.

I feel you. Gucci and LV sell way more handbags than any Fur shop sells coats and you have all thse celebs walking around with these major bags that cost upwards of 10 g's and let's not forget about all the leather that's in the Jordans or any other popular sneakers but Peta don't fuck with them...

Exactly. And I am sure that some of the same people on this thread bitching out janet also support people who wear leather or wear it themselves. The faux outrage is fucking hilarious.

Vendetta1 said:

Tokyo89 said:

I googled Blackglama images..

Very disturbing

Why is it disturbing?

I see images of Cher, Liz Taylor, Naomi Campbell and lots of other famous women. I never even heard of Blackglama until I read this thread.

PETA are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. And like any othe extremists, they can kiss the whole of my black ass.

Looks like they snatched it right off a Black Bear..

Oh and I never said anything about Janet. I just don't like fur.

Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Yes.

Also...

NEWSFLASH: Animals hate animals too. It's called territory.

Right? It's not our fault they're too weak.

Timmy84 said:

This thread is as dead as a carcass on a street.

This thread is as dead as Janet's coat.

banks said:

Vendetta1 said:

Why is it disturbing?

I see images of Cher, Liz Taylor, Naomi Campbell and lots of other famous women. I never even heard of Blackglama until I read this thread.

PETA are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. And like any othe extremists, they can kiss the whole of my black ass.

I feel you. Gucci and LV sell way more handbags than any Fur shop sells coats and you have all thse celebs walking around with these major bags that cost upwards of 10 g's and let's not forget about all the leather that's in the Jordans or any other popular sneakers but Peta don't fuck with them...

I just don't get it. Personally, I've never liked leather....especially on car interiors EWW . I think dried cow skin is waay more disgusting to wear than animal pelts but that's just me. I don't really like silk or wool either (even though sheep aren't killed in the shearing process). I'm good with just cotton; thanks. But, if someone else wants to wear these items on their skin who am I to judge them? Last I checked, none of the animals used in fur coats are going extinct nor or any of them on the endangered species list. Most of them make quite a few babies in one breeding cycle so I think they'll be okay.

Seriously, Native Americans used to kill buffalo; but, they showed respect to the animal by using every single part of them and not wasting anything. If the furs are being taken and the animals being eaten than why is it such an awful thing? I understand the killing methods aren't always humane; but killing any living creature is not going to be a nice thing whether its a human murdering another human; slaughtering a cow; euthanizing a dog slowly dying from cancer - or throwing a puppy from a moving car (seen that quite a bit at my job); poisoning ants; or ripping a pear from its life source. Everything dies in some awful way at some point in this life.

More power to those who choose not to eat animals; but I can't be a vegan or a vegetarian because I would personally feel like I was half-assing. If I'm going to truly respect ALL living things, than I will have to figure out how to sustain life from a pure liquid diet. I'd be super Pro Life and picketing abortion clinics and against contraceptives. I wouldn't be able to eat vegetables and fruits because they are very much alive before they are ripped off of their life source. Many studies have been done showing that plants and insects do have feelings, so why don't they get the same level of respect as animals? I would freak out if someone gave me flowers. Why do I want to watch a beautiful flower slowly die in a vase of water? It's waay prettier on the vine. I couldn't kill any bugs even if my house was infested; and, I'd kill myself trying to feed all the starving people throughout the world. I'd try to stop war from hurting others and petition to have all weapons destroyed. I'd be extreme in my pursuit to respect ALL life. Unfortunately, it's just not humanely possible to do all of this. I just hate half-assing anything; if I'm going to be that passionate and extreme about respecting life; I'm going to respect ALL life; not just pick the ones I want and fuck the others. I would just feel like I'm being biased if I didn't show the same respect to all living things. That's just what I think and how I feel on this subject...always have and always will.

I've watched tons of videos of animals being killed to: make fur coats; test pharmacuticals to find cures for AIDS, HIV, and Cancer; test makeup; eradicate an outbreak of a contagious disease; reduce over-crowding; make food for consumption; hunting; and to train medical students. I've also seen dogs eat their own young; bury them alive; and wild animals leaving their newborns to fight for themselves...if they don't learn how to walk in the few minutes after birth they get left behind. Lions and cheetahs don't feel bad eating the baby gazelle and momma gazelle will just go and make another one later...that's nature right there. I've also watched videos of: abortions; how blood diamonds are acquired; babies starving to death in Africa; and children being shot in war riddled countries. Life is cruel...PERIOD. If people are soo angry about it, then when they go into the afterlife, they need to yell at the Being that invented Cruelty; it's been around since the beginning of time.

Accept that a higher Being made every living thing on this earth and they all serve a purpose. For something to live; something else has to die...whether it's a cow; a head of lettuce; or an apple. If a person is gonna be extreme in their respect for life than truly respect ALL life; not just the cute, furry creatures; otherwise, I just hear what they are saying but I still don't truly see their point or agree with them. Rant over...back to life; back to reality. All just my

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

This thread is as dead as a carcass on a street.

This thread is as dead as Janet's coat.

This thread is as dead as Janet's career.

Vendetta1 said:

Timmy84 said:

Either you eat meat or you eat just vegetables and non-meat products, man, you can't decide to eat meat and then talk shit about people for wearing fur coats. You either have to be TOTALLY against killing animals for meat products and clothing or not give a fuck about it. Animal activists who are against eating meat and wearing clothing that comes from the killing of animals don't scream about any celebrity for doing it. Extremist vegetarians are as bad as extremist animal hunters. But I guess it's easier to blame a celebrity for doing what it is they do than to just say "well I don't condone it but whatever." It shouldn't make you hate anyone. Hate's a strong word especially when it comes to things like this. Like it ain't that serious man.

Anyway, let this thread die like a carcass on the road like I said earlier...

Exactly.

And why people are looking to celebrities to be some type of role models is beyond me.

Because the media tells them so.... people are dumb as shit.

I dont agree with this but I be lying if I said I didnt love me some fried chicken and ribs

estelle81 said:

Seriously, Native Americans used to kill buffalo; but, they showed respect to the animal by using every single part of them and not wasting anything. If the furs are being taken and the animals being eaten than why is it such an awful thing?

I think that is very reasonable.

AsherFierce said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This thread is as dead as Janet's coat.

This thread is as dead as Janet's career.

Oh shoot.

You win.

go2theMax said:

lowkey said:

how can you sit here and post videos of the poor animals being tortured,scold janet and others for wearng fur then turn around and say you eat meat? lol what a fuckin joke

oh come on...get some study please....it's not like I'm wearing a suit of beef...as I said, until fully proved otherwise animal meat is NECESSARY in our diet. The animals that I eat are not skinned alive or live in bad conditions...how do I know that? Becuz I buy meat straight from the farmers here. 4 now I am just as guilty as a lion for eating meat. the joke is actually on ignorant people...no, there's nothing funny about it...it is sad how human being thinks that everything that was created revolves around them...that'll be a price 4 all this

[Edited 12/29/11 4:45am]

I'm sorry, but your repeated claims that meat is necessary in our diet is bullshit. I do respect the way you've structured your diet and have no problem with it, but that's no reason to go around spreading flat-out lies. You can go around talking about these claims not being fully proven and blah blah blah, but at the end of the day, NO diet has been "fully" proven. Vegetarians live just as long and healthy lives as anybody else. Although I don't buy a lot of the claims about it being some kind of magical superdiet that will prevent every and all illness, there's no reliable evidence that it's any worse than the average American diet. Indeed, it's typically BETTER than the average American diet. The only competition there really is is a vegetarian diet vs. an omnivorous diet that excludes red meat and fried meats. Sure, there are some vitamins you have to be careful to get enough of, but even your typical omnivore doesn't get all their vitamins. In my experience it's made me much more aware of the vitamins I need and where I can get them. The main problem for vegetarians remains vitamin B12, which is easy to supplement (and, interestingly, is not a problem in countries such as India where the water supply is less heavily sanitized). I've been vegetarian since I was a child, regularly get my blood levels tested, and have never had a deficiency. My blood actually typically tests as having higher iron levels than most people.

Also, there's evidence that a low-fat vegan diet may be the best diet around for managing Type 2 diabetes. In fact, a lot of people in my heavily meat-eating family have been diagnosed with diabetes at a much younger age than I am now. There's no reason in this day and age to say a vegetarian diet is unhealthy or unproven. Go to Google Scholar and type in "vegetarian diet." Nothing there suggests vegetarianism is unhealthy or unsustainable. With veganism, there are more concerns, but even there they're not insurmountable (and most researchers will tell you that calcium's role is far from certain, as East Asians are often lactose intolerant and consume far less dairy yet have lower rates of osteoporosis than western countries).

Yeah vegetarians who know how to maintain their health do real well so I don't get that argument either.

estelle81 said:

banks said:

I feel you. Gucci and LV sell way more handbags than any Fur shop sells coats and you have all thse celebs walking around with these major bags that cost upwards of 10 g's and let's not forget about all the leather that's in the Jordans or any other popular sneakers but Peta don't fuck with them...

I just don't get it. Personally, I've never liked leather....especially on car interiors EWW . I think dried cow skin is waay more disgusting to wear than animal pelts but that's just me. I don't really like silk or wool either (even though sheep aren't killed in the shearing process).

DON'T tell me you didn't read the liner notes to Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic!

"If this jacket were real wool, it would have taken 7 lambs whose lives would have begun like this...Within weeks of their birth, their ears would have been hole-punched, their tails chopped off and the males would have been castrated while fully conscious. Xtremely high rates of mortality r considered normal: 20 2 40% of lambs die b4 the age of 8 weeks: 8 million mature sheep die every year from disease, xposure or neglect."

AsherFierce said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

This thread is as dead as Janet's coat.

This thread is as dead as Janet's career.

shit if raking in more than 40 mill this year means he career is dead so be it.. There's very few entertainers from 80's that's still making a impact on the charts...

Ms. Jackson has been featured as the face of “Blackglama’s” coveted title of “What Becomes a Legend Most”, for the second year in a row! Now that’s star power, because the Blackglama line has had only the best of the best represent their uber-luxury brand. Famous legends such as Audrey Hepburn, Lena Horne, Ray Charles, Cher and anyone else you could remotely consider a legend, have had their fame etched in Blackgama stone. However, Blackgama announced yesterday that Janet Jackson has had been the most successful ad campaign to date. Ms. Jackson has been featured as the face of “Blackglama’s” coveted title of “What Becomes a Legend Most”, for the second year in a row! Now that’s star power, because the Blackglama line has had only the best of the best represent their uber-luxury brand. Famous legends such as Audrey Hepburn, Lena Horne, Ray Charles, Cher and anyone else you could remotely consider a legend, have had their fame etched in Blackgama stone. However, Blackgama announced yesterday that Janet Jackson has had been the most successful ad campaign to date.