It also comes down to the artist having a relationship with their fans

Prince has attained his in several ways. The countless shows he's invited fans to at Paisley Park, doing intimate concerts, interacting with fans, at the same time, he's set boundaries. Plus the whole going after fansites and suing fans was a burn, but overall he definitely appreciates his fans

Michael interacted with fans and would hang out with them at times. There's some fans that I know who spent time with him at Neverland and had dinner with him on occasions. Those are some of the reasons why many fans are so protective of him (some are OVER protective). He was always receptive towards the fans from the very calm and collected to the ones who would come to him DRESSED JUST LIKE HIM and using his mannerisms

Madonna seems to always have open communication with her fans and that's a great thing. They're not afraid to be critical and tell her what they think and she's has no problem telling them what she thinks

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

such an age? lol you say that like she is 75

Again your definition. Sexy is sexy, it starts with an attitude, clothes on or off Madonna is sexy

Are U male or female?

Madonna arguably was sexy...but back then she was more classy about it....

I am male but just because I don't find a 53 year old cavorting around in a leotard sexy doesn't mean i'm gay.

And it's not about age either, Helen Mirren is old but she's damn sexy, because she is subtle and classy about it..

All i'm saying is that Madge would be hotter if she stopped trying so hard to be sexy and 'down with the kids'....

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when are you saying she was classy about it? She's always dressed classy, and concert outfits is something different

Even back inthe 1990's people were telling her she was slut and dressed slutty, so I don't know how she can win with people trying to define her. But if she followed your trend she would be a wash by now

OldFriends4Sale said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Madonna arguably was sexy...but back then she was more classy about it....

I am male but just because I don't find a 53 year old cavorting around in a leotard sexy doesn't mean i'm gay.

And it's not about age either, Helen Mirren is old but she's damn sexy, because she is subtle and classy about it..

All i'm saying is that Madge would be hotter if she stopped trying so hard to be sexy and 'down with the kids'....

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when are you saying she was classy about it? She's always dressed classy, and concert outfits is something different

Even back inthe 1990's people were telling her she was slut and dressed slutty, so I don't know how she can win with people trying to define her. But if she followed your trend she would be a wash by now

It's the case "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

bboy87 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

when are you saying she was classy about it? She's always dressed classy, and concert outfits is something different

Even back inthe 1990's people were telling her she was slut and dressed slutty, so I don't know how she can win with people trying to define her. But if she followed your trend she would be a wash by now

It's the case "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

Totally agree, the Confessions era was a huge fan favorite, so I don't know how her dressing is such a problem

Random and off topic, I realize, but I don't get the Helen Mirren thing. Maybe its because she looks like my Grandmother looked about 15 years ago - I think she's way too old these days. I'm not an ageist in the least, but I don't have a thing for Grandmothers, either.

She was HOT back in the day, though.

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

such an age? lol you say that like she is 75

Again your definition. Sexy is sexy, it starts with an attitude, clothes on or off Madonna is sexy

Are U male or female?

Madonna arguably was sexy...but back then she was more classy about it....

I am male but just because I don't find a 53 year old cavorting around in a leotard sexy doesn't mean i'm gay.

And it's not about age either, Helen Mirren is old but she's damn sexy, because she is subtle and classy about it..

All i'm saying is that Madge would be hotter if she stopped trying so hard to be sexy and 'down with the kids'....

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Your jaded views on women's sexulity are depressing.

Husky said:

But somehow MJ-fams fool themselves, and act utterly naive and childish...

MJ is a victim of the world, and his little sister (with her whiney thin voice) is too... how pathetic... grow up please.

Out of nowhere you appear and critcize OUR music. If any one needs to grow up it's you. You don't fuck with the Rhythm Nation

aardvark15 said:

You don't fuck with the Rhythm Nation

......... I thought that was Janet.

Cerebus said:

aardvark15 said:

You don't fuck with the Rhythm Nation

......... I thought that was Janet.

He's criticizing Janet too. Considering Michael loved RN I guess both of us technically are apart of the Rhythm Nation.

Cerebus said:

Random and off topic, I realize, but I don't get the Helen Mirren thing. Maybe its because she looks like my Grandmother looked about 15 years ago - I think she's way too old these days. I'm not an ageist in the least, but I don't have a thing for Grandmothers, either.

She was HOT back in the day, though.

I think that bikini picture a year or 2 ago started it. She's in good shape but yeah.....

but then again, I do have a thing for Raquel Welch so I'm not one to talk

RKJCNE said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Madonna arguably was sexy...but back then she was more classy about it....

I am male but just because I don't find a 53 year old cavorting around in a leotard sexy doesn't mean i'm gay.

And it's not about age either, Helen Mirren is old but she's damn sexy, because she is subtle and classy about it..

All i'm saying is that Madge would be hotter if she stopped trying so hard to be sexy and 'down with the kids'....

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Your jaded views on women's sexulity are depressing.

No they are not. An older woman's power is in her mystery and subtlety, not in shoving it in people's faces (at Madge's age she needs to turn down the overt ness and bring up the mystery - she could learn from P in that respect).

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

RKJCNE said:

Your jaded views on women's sexulity are depressing.

No they are not. An older woman's power is in her mystery and subtlety, not in shoving it in people's faces (at Madge's age she needs to turn down the overt ness and bring up the mystery - she could learn from P in that respect).

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Hmmm.

Madonna is Madonna, and that will never change, she is not afraid to push boundaries and she has a great figure and doesn't look like 53 at all... She looks hot and I think she is not a slut and she look classy. On stage she does wear less clothes, but that totally fit with her personality on stage. She is a rebel and always will be.

bboy87 said:

I know Madonna fans from here and other forums and yes they are quite critical of her work when needed

As I'm both a MJ and Prince fan, I can say fans can be VERY critical of their work. Not all MJ fans worship him and his music. I loved the man and his work but I sure as hell wasn't gonna sit outside in the cold his damn hotel and sing "Heal The World" like I know some folks did (and I know some who really did that ) and I and many others criticized him many times for not putting out more music or focusing on other matters (like trying to build theme parks, movie companies, and shit like that)

Prince, I'm critical of too, but I've seen on this site, fans being maybe TOO harsh on the guy. At times it feels like hating just for the sake of hating

Uh hum

Tremolina said:

Every artist gets the fanbase they deserve. Including Prince.

Prince has a lot of whiny little bitch fans, because he can be a whiny little bitch too. On the other hand he has a lot of cool, intelligent, funny, sophisticated and fine music loving fans too, because so can he be. Prince is twisted himself like that and so is his fanbase. All that crap between 'fams' and 'naysayers' bitching at eachother whenever they can, came out of Prince's kitchen.

MJ and Madonna's fan bases are different because they are different. MJ's fans always worshipped him because he always worshipped them. Madonna's fans are critical about her music too, but less than Prince fans because Madonna herself is less critical about her music than Prince is about his. His standards have always been higher, therefore also his fans always expect more of him. And so on.

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I wonder how many rich whiny 'slaves' does he have as fans

I miss michael And you know what I miss too? Though I still have the emotional attachment, I'm afraid of it fading cause of being in too much pain over the fact I never met him or saw him though I came very very close. I had chances to travel to see him years ago too at non-music events, but turned it down and wanted to wait for music though I love him as a person too, I regret it now. I wanted to give him space and wait and not hound him if not necessary though I would watch clips of fans meeting him and get excited. I can't feel it now though. I don't mean to sound jealous, but I have been since the death and didn't know I had it in me, cause I was so sure my time would come.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

RKJCNE said:

Your jaded views on women's sexulity are depressing.

No they are not. An older woman's power is in her mystery and subtlety, not in shoving it in people's faces (at Madge's age she needs to turn down the overt ness and bring up the mystery - she could learn from P in that respect).

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There is power in mystery whether you're young or old. Prince tries to be mysterious now, but it just comes off as selfish. Back in the 1980's when he was young his mystery was what made him a megastar.

Not shoving what in peoples faces? Again your trying to control womens sexuality. no different than chastity belts, female circumcision, and women having to cover their bodies from head to toe.

If you are really a fan of Madonna you must realize she has turned down the overtness, for whatever that means. Have you ever seen any of her concerts? Seriously? the Drowned World tour... what was 'overt' about that? Madonna has not been overtly sexual showing more than she should have... What she shows some leg and that offends you? Please don't tell me you go to beaches

A man's sexuality can never been compared with a womans.

Cerebus said:

Random and off topic, I realize, but I don't get the Helen Mirren thing. Maybe its because she looks like my Grandmother looked about 15 years ago - I think she's way too old these days. I'm not an ageist in the least, but I don't have a thing for Grandmothers, either.

She was HOT back in the day, though.

Sexism & Ageist is what that is dude

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Cerebus said:

aardvark15 said:

You don't fuck with the Rhythm Nation

......... I thought that was Janet.

it is, Husky said "and his little sister (with her whiney thin voice) is too... how pathetic... grow up please"

"I find whenever someone writes anything about me, my age is right after my name," she said. "It's almost like they're saying, 'Here she is, but remember she's this age, so she's not that relevant anymore.' Or 'Let's punish her by reminding her and everyone else.'

Adding, "When you put someone's age down, you're limiting them. To have fun, that's the main issue. To continue to be a provocateur, to do what we perceive as the realm of young people, to provoke, to be rebellious, to start a revolution."

She said something similar to this on a talk show back in 1994

“Not only does society suffer from racism and sexism but it also suffers from ageism. Once you reach a certain age you’re not allowed to be adventurous, you’re not allowed to be sexual. I mean, is there a rule? Are you supposed to just die?”

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OldFriends4Sale said:

She said something similar to this on a talk show back in 1994

“Not only does society suffer from racism and sexism but it also suffers from ageism. Once you reach a certain age you’re not allowed to be adventurous, you’re not allowed to be sexual. I mean, is there a rule? Are you supposed to just die?”

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I always loved that quote.

Not classy?

xLiberiangirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

She said something similar to this on a talk show back in 1994

“Not only does society suffer from racism and sexism but it also suffers from ageism. Once you reach a certain age you’re not allowed to be adventurous, you’re not allowed to be sexual. I mean, is there a rule? Are you supposed to just die?”

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I always loved that quote.

Anyone who thinks about themselves in that way and even their parents, should wake up.

I don't want my mom to turn into an old hag, she was and has always been beautiful and likes to have fun and dance wear her hair down and flirt with my dad. I want them (saying this as fully aware man) to have fun dance have sex until they leave this earth.

My 70 yr old aunt looks like she is in her early 50's she swims, walks miles a day, and is working out with weights... she's a learner still loves to talk with younger people, she understands how muscle tone or lack of it can effect her health and she wants to live a long life looking good and having her mind intact

Once people stop living that is really when they become old and die.

I agree with Madonna, though I could just smack myself for thinking she was old during ROL when I was just in high school, though I was still a fan. Now I just cringe cause she wasn't at all, though that's probably cause I'm getting close to 30, and despise it when kids think of me as "aunty" or something

OldFriends4Sale said:

xLiberiangirl said:

I always loved that quote.

Anyone who thinks about themselves in that way and even their parents, should wake up.

I don't want my mom to turn into an old hag, she was and has always been beautiful and likes to have fun and dance wear her hair down and flirt with my dad. I want them (saying this as fully aware man) to have fun dance have sex until they leave this earth.

My 70 yr old aunt looks like she is in her early 50's she swims, walks miles a day, and is working out with weights... she's a learner still loves to talk with younger people, she understands how muscle tone or lack of it can effect her health and she wants to live a long life looking good and having her mind intact

Once people stop living that is really when they become old and die.

Exactly. I don't like that people are so close minded.

People are always whining about Madonna her looks. But I don't see what's wrong with her looks.

My mom is in her 50's now, but she still dresses as someone in their 20's, I don't see what's wrong with that. I would hate if she turn into an old hag.

You're an old hag if you decide to be, it's a personal choice really.

alphastreet said:

You're an old hag if you decide to be, it's a personal choice really.

Correct, and some of that choice is actually influenced by ignorant ideas that you can't be sexy after a certain again, that you have to cover your body after a certain age, even if you look good, that you cut your hair and get a granny cut etc etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

No they are not. An older woman's power is in her mystery and subtlety, not in shoving it in people's faces (at Madge's age she needs to turn down the overt ness and bring up the mystery - she could learn from P in that respect).

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There is power in mystery whether you're young or old. Prince tries to be mysterious now, but it just comes off as selfish. Back in the 1980's when he was young his mystery was what made him a megastar.

Not shoving what in peoples faces? Again your trying to control womens sexuality. no different than chastity belts, female circumcision, and women having to cover their bodies from head to toe.

If you are really a fan of Madonna you must realize she has turned down the overtness, for whatever that means. Have you ever seen any of her concerts? Seriously? the Drowned World tour... what was 'overt' about that? Madonna has not been overtly sexual showing more than she should have... What she shows some leg and that offends you? Please don't tell me you go to beaches

A man's sexuality can never been compared with a womans.

How dare you accuse me of that. Pointing out that dancing in suspenders and wearing leotards at 53 is not really sexy is not the same as being in favour of chastity belts or circumcision...and I don't appreciate you making such a sweeping comparison.

I'm not a fan of Madonna, I like her Pre-96 work but that's it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not classy?

That's fine, it's the pics from Hung Up that are not at all classy