I'm a Britney critic but ended up enjoying her dancing, outfit and the song though she sounds bad and Madonna still sounded ok. And yeah Madonna looked hot at the awards though they were 1 year early for the 20th anniversary of like a virgin.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well, this thread has taught me that from the right angles, Madonna still makes me horny.

What a talent!

IMO MJ-fans (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an excuse ready, when you dare to put a questionmark to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first of all an entertainer and interpreter of songs written by others.. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, no, he did co-written this and that song...

My remark: Michael Jackson has been lypsynching on stage for the last 15 years of his careeer or so. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, look at it, he is only lipsynching half of the songs! Or... he was to ill, sick, addicted whatever to sing properly, so that is why he lipsynched.

My remark: why did MJ bleach his skin and use so much plastical surgery? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But don't you know allready, he did suffer from Virtiligo! Yes, i know other persons who suffered from that disease, but none of them did bleach their skin or felt the need to 'rebuilt' their face....

My remark: It isnt quite healthy for a 40+ yo male to sleep with children, right? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But, but... his daddy did bully him, he did have no childhood himself, so now he is a 'big kid' himself... Right... but i am still wondering what you would say if i you would hear these kind of 'excsuses' from any fat, white guy who isnt in 'the business'?

Its utterly scary and creepy IMO to see MJ-fanatics react, honestly.

Prince-fans seem to be very critical about him, and his recent output, but in general they seem far more level-heaved and realistic then the MJ-fanatics who defend him like he is the 'new Jesus'.

Most of us seem to be disappointed first of all that he has been 'underachieving'

for quite some time now, but whe admire his artistic legacy, and at the same are 'straight' enough to attack the person / businessman Prince, when he seems to be making 'dumb decisions'.

I don't know much about Madonna-fans, but i think they fall somewhere in the middle.

NDRU said:

Well, this thread has taught me that from the right angles, Madonna still makes me horny.

What a talent!

lol your silly, but yeah she's still hottt

When you can see her manly muscles I loose all interest in Madonna. But when you can't (from the right angles), yeah, she's still pretty hot.

Cerebus said:

When you can see her manly muscles I loose all interest in Madonna. But when you can't (from the right angles), yeah, she's still pretty hot.

lol she doesn't have manly muscles

no way she can still look good and not work out, it would just look flabby, that would be a turn off

how about this

I think Madonna and even MJ give/gave their fans FANDOM,

so I think that keeps the bitching at bay

Husky said:

IMO MJ-fans (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an excuse ready, when you dare to put a questionmark to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first of all an entertainer and interpreter of songs written by others.. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, no, he did co-written this and that song...

My remark: Michael Jackson has been lypsynching on stage for the last 15 years of his careeer or so. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, look at it, he is only lipsynching half of the songs! Or... he was to ill, sick, addicted whatever to sing properly, so that is why he lipsynched.

My remark: why did MJ bleach his skin and use so much plastical surgery? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But don't you know allready, he did suffer from Virtiligo! Yes, i know other persons who suffered from that disease, but none of them did bleach their skin or felt the need to 'rebuilt' their face....

My remark: It isnt quite healthy for a 40+ yo male to sleep with children, right? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But, but... his daddy did bully him, he did have no childhood himself, so now he is a 'big kid' himself... Right... but i am still wondering what you would say if i you would hear these kind of 'excsuses' from any fat, white guy who isnt in 'the business'?

Its utterly scary and creepy IMO to see MJ-fanatics react, honestly.

Prince-fans seem to be very critical about him, and his recent output, but in general they seem far more level-heaved and realistic then the MJ-fanatics who defend him like he is the 'new Jesus'.

Most of us seem to be disappointed first of all that he has been 'underachieving'

for quite some time now, but whe admire his artistic legacy, and at the same are 'straight' enough to attack the person / businessman Prince, when he seems to be making 'dumb decisions'.

I don't know much about Madonna-fans, but i think they fall somewhere in the middle.

Your credibility went out the window the moment you said "bleached his skin".

Total nonsense.

Michael Jackson DID bleach his skin. It are the MJ-fams that deny it.

To be honest: it even would not be such a big issue for me, but, as i said, MJ-fams always coming up with excuses makes it irritating in the first place.

Of course Michael Jackson did bleach his skin... how stupid you are?

The conclusions that brings you to, is your own issue.

You argue with this, then you're the one who's stupid, you troll.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol she doesn't have manly muscles

I could EASILY post hundreds of these. Her arms, shoulders and midriff definitely go in and out of taking on a very manly appearance. I don't like hard looking women, regardless of their size.

Yes, MJ had vitiligo AND he did bleach his skin.

What's so hard to understand there?

Cerebus said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol she doesn't have manly muscles

I could EASILY post hundreds of these. Her arms, shoulders and midriff definitely go in and out of taking on a very manly appearance. I don't like hard looking women, regardless of their size.

Hmmm. Nah... she does have muscles. But they are okay, not extreme in my option.

Keeps wondering why MJ-fams tend to see their idol as some victim, some little kid that needs to be protected, someone to look after..

When we are speaking about a grown up guy with all the money and freedom in the world... a guy who could lay out his own path... but somehow he gets stuck in accusations of childabuse.

Lets face it, he was a grown up guy with sexual urges too.

He did get these little boys into his bed, ready to rape them. Impressing them with his superficial themepark and his 'jesus juice'.

But somehow MJ-fams fool themselves, and act utterly naive and childish...

MJ is a victim of the world, and his little sister (with her whiney thin voice) is too... how pathetic... grow up please.

IMO MJ-trolls (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an some kind of asinine shit pulled out of their ass, when you dare to put a question mark on their opinions to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first a musician who wrote/co-wrote his music. He could also interpret the songs of others in a highly successful fashion.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: No! Unless you play an instrument and write ALL of your music, no matter how shitty, you are not a real musician. Who cares if that includes people such as Frank Sinatra. He wasn't one either!!!

My remark: While Michael Jackson may have not sung live as much as he did when he was younger, I can still appreciate the many times that he did perform as 1 ½ tours are just a small part of the many that he did.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: No! Lip synching puts a knocks out anything he ever did in his entire career ever!!! He should have sung live all the time even though lip synching backlash is a way more recent phenomena.

My remark: Even though Michael Jackson may have used plastic surgery, that does not take away from the fact that having Vitiligo was very unfortunate.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: Who cares what the doctors diagnosed him with. Vitiligo isn't even a real disease. I don't know anyone with it, so it must be fake! The doctors and coroners were paid to say that.

My remark: While I don't advocate 40+ sharing bed with grown men, ultimately, I was not there and must refrain from strong opinions and judgments.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: But if I didn't see it and there's no concrete proof or evidence it must be true right? I must believe everything I see in the tabloids, because that's honest journalism... Right... but i am still wondering what you would say if i you would hear these kind of 'excsuses' from any fat, white guy who isnt in 'the business'?

Its utterly scary and creepy IMO to see MJ-trolls act/react, honestly.

Not all Prince-fans seem to be very critical about him, and his recent output, but in general they seem far less level-heaved and realistic then the MJ-trolls who attack him like he is the 'new Satan incarnate'.

I don't know much about Madonna-fans, but i think they fall somewhere in the middle.

Husky said:

IMO MJ-fans (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an excuse ready, when you dare to put a questionmark to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first of all an entertainer and interpreter of songs written by others.. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, no, he did co-written this and that song...

My remark: Michael Jackson has been lypsynching on stage for the last 15 years of his careeer or so. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, look at it, he is only lipsynching half of the songs! Or... he was to ill, sick, addicted whatever to sing properly, so that is why he lipsynched.

My remark: why did MJ bleach his skin and use so much plastical surgery? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But don't you know allready, he did suffer from Virtiligo! Yes, i know other persons who suffered from that disease, but none of them did bleach their skin or felt the need to 'rebuilt' their face....

My remark: It isnt quite healthy for a 40+ yo male to sleep with children, right? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But, but... his daddy did bully him, he did have no childhood himself, so now he is a 'big kid' himself... Right... but i am still wondering what you would say if i you would hear these kind of 'excsuses' from any fat, white guy who isnt in 'the business'?

Its utterly scary and creepy IMO to see MJ-fanatics react, honestly.

Prince-fans seem to be very critical about him, and his recent output, but in general they seem far more level-heaved and realistic then the MJ-fanatics who defend him like he is the 'new Jesus'.

Most of us seem to be disappointed first of all that he has been 'underachieving'

for quite some time now, but whe admire his artistic legacy, and at the same are 'straight' enough to attack the person / businessman Prince, when he seems to be making 'dumb decisions'.

I don't know much about Madonna-fans, but i think they fall somewhere in the middle.

It depends on who and which Michael Jackson fans you talk to

Those 2 "hysterical reactions" I put in bold aren't really "hysterical" imo

I've never understood making sweeping generalizations about fanbases. Hell, I've heard people on other forums make fun of THIS site and Prince fans so there's always someone in every artist's fanbase that is "out there"

[Edited 12/6/11 13:47pm]

RKJCNE said:

Sending love to you OldFriends4Sale

As for people saying I talk out of my ass, I can't help it! My ass just speaks for itself.

[Edited 12/5/11 17:33pm]

Ass, ass, ass, ass, ass, ass, ass, ass, ass...STOP. Now make that muthaf*cka Hammer tell 'em like...

Cerebus said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol she doesn't have manly muscles

I could EASILY post hundreds of these. Her arms, shoulders and midriff definitely go in and out of taking on a very manly appearance. I don't like hard looking women, regardless of their size.

ehhheuh um she doesn't look manly

Women have muscle tone, any woman from a slave to a gymnist will have that arm ^ up there and

even dancers. Cat was muscular but I don't think her shape was manly

Sheila E even has biceps

[Edited 12/6/11 14:57pm]

bboy87 said:

Husky said:

IMO MJ-fans (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an excuse ready, when you dare to put a questionmark to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first of all an entertainer and interpreter of songs written by others.. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, no, he did co-written this and that song...

My remark: Michael Jackson has been lypsynching on stage for the last 15 years of his careeer or so. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, look at it, he is only lipsynching half of the songs! Or... he was to ill, sick, addicted whatever to sing properly, so that is why he lipsynched.

My remark: why did MJ bleach his skin and use so much plastical surgery? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But don't you know allready, he did suffer from Virtiligo! Yes, i know other persons who suffered from that disease, but none of them did bleach their skin or felt the need to 'rebuilt' their face....

My remark: It isnt quite healthy for a 40+ yo male to sleep with children, right? Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: But, but... his daddy did bully him, he did have no childhood himself, so now he is a 'big kid' himself... Right... but i am still wondering what you would say if i you would hear these kind of 'excsuses' from any fat, white guy who isnt in 'the business'?

Its utterly scary and creepy IMO to see MJ-fanatics react, honestly.

Prince-fans seem to be very critical about him, and his recent output, but in general they seem far more level-heaved and realistic then the MJ-fanatics who defend him like he is the 'new Jesus'.

Most of us seem to be disappointed first of all that he has been 'underachieving'

for quite some time now, but whe admire his artistic legacy, and at the same are 'straight' enough to attack the person / businessman Prince, when he seems to be making 'dumb decisions'.

I don't know much about Madonna-fans, but i think they fall somewhere in the middle.

It depends on who and which Michael Jackson fans you talk to

Those 2 "hysterical reactions" I put in bold aren't really "hysterical" imo

I've never understood making sweeping generalizations about fanbases. Hell, I've heard people on other forums make fun of THIS site and Prince fans so there's always someone in every artist's fanbase that is "out there"

[Edited 12/6/11 13:47pm]

I agree about the songwriting. He's written some great songs. He certainly was not Elvis, who truly was just an interpreter of others' songs and entertainer.

As for the vitiligo....well it might explain where part of the sickness surrounding his self-image came from, but it doesn't justify anything IMO, certainly not plastic surgery.

Husky said:

IMO MJ-fans (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an excuse ready, when you dare to put a questionmark to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first of all an entertainer and interpreter of songs written by others.. Hysterical reaction by MJ-fams: No, no, he did co-written this and that song...

I will not argue about the MJ-man, because I myself is not defined in my attitude to everything around him, so focus on the MJ-artist.

You really do not know what MJ himself, without co- wrote most of his big hits: Billie Jean, Beat it, Wanna starting..., Smooth criminal, Dirty, Diana, Don`t stop till you get enough, Earth song, Stranger in Moscow, They don`t care about us etc
If you know it, what kind of interpreting others' songs are you talking about?

Yes, MJ had vitiligo AND he did bleach his skin.

What's so hard to understand there?

I do not see the logic.
If a person is sick and is a necessary measure, how someone can accuse him of this?
Can you then blame the patient who received severe burns to skin and need operations? What kind of nonsense?
Plastic surgery on face - is another matter, although I think the cause is also some sort of mental disorder

[Edited 12/6/11 16:44pm]

The fans of michael are the major defenders of his idol, this owes to that Michael always was a captivation with his fans, always.
His fans feel it as a friend and not as an untouchable idol

Michael was giving you ice creams, pizza, he you was signing autographs always, nicely, genti, adorably with his fans

On the other hand prince and madonna? Or, if prince it sues us jeje, then my I like to it as artist, if someone speaks something badly on him do not matter for myself, but MJ uuuuuuh do not touch it.

I remember a friend of mine who hated Michael with all his soul, until it saw it in person in the vegas in 2007, he is a fan of madonna and has had the opportunity to two times know her to her, and madonna at least I do not even look at it. On the other hand Michael gave to him an autograph, I love you, that god blesses you, and one do you want a chocolate?... For a strange reason now he is a fan of Michael..

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH .

[Edited 12/6/11 16:53pm]

Unholyalliance said:

IMO MJ-trolls (at least, the ones on this site) are often out of this world: they ALWAYS seem to have an some kind of asinine shit pulled out of their ass, when you dare to put a question mark on their opinions to both the artist and the person Michael Jackson:

My remark: Michael was first a musician who wrote/co-wrote his music. He could also interpret the songs of others in a highly successful fashion.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: No! Unless you play an instrument and write ALL of your music, no matter how shitty, you are not a real musician. Who cares if that includes people such as Frank Sinatra. He wasn't one either!!!

My remark: While Michael Jackson may have not sung live as much as he did when he was younger, I can still appreciate the many times that he did perform as 1 ½ tours are just a small part of the many that he did.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: No! Lip synching puts a knocks out anything he ever did in his entire career ever!!! He should have sung live all the time even though lip synching backlash is a way more recent phenomena.

My remark: Even though Michael Jackson may have used plastic surgery, that does not take away from the fact that having Vitiligo was very unfortunate.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: Who cares what the doctors diagnosed him with. Vitiligo isn't even a real disease. I don't know anyone with it, so it must be fake! The doctors and coroners were paid to say that.

My remark: While I don't advocate 40+ sharing bed with grown men, ultimately, I was not there and must refrain from strong opinions and judgments.

Hysterical reaction by MJ-trolls: But if I didn't see it and there's no concrete proof or evidence it must be true right? I must believe everything I see in the tabloids, because that's honest journalism... Right... but i am still wondering what you would say if i you would hear these kind of 'excsuses' from any fat, white guy who isnt in 'the business'?

Its utterly scary and creepy IMO to see MJ-trolls act/react, honestly.

Not all Prince-fans seem to be very critical about him, and his recent output, but in general they seem far less level-heaved and realistic then the MJ-trolls who attack him like he is the 'new Satan incarnate'.

I don't know much about Madonna-fans, but i think they fall somewhere in the middle.

excellent post.well said and very true

claudiax said:

The fans of michael are the major defenders of his idol, this owes to that Michael always was a captivation with his fans, always.
His fans feel it as a friend and not as an untouchable idol

Michael was giving you ice creams, pizza, he you was signing autographs always, nicely, genti, adorably with his fans

On the other hand prince and madonna? Or, if prince it sues us jeje, then my I like to it as artist, if someone speaks something badly on him do not matter for myself, but MJ uuuuuuh do not touch it.

I remember a friend of mine who hated Michael with all his soul, until it saw it in person in the vegas in 2007, he is a fan of madonna and has had the opportunity to two times know her to her, and madonna at least I do not even look at it. On the other hand Michael gave to him an autograph, I love you, that god blesses you, and one do you want a chocolate?... For a strange reason now he is a fan of Michael..

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH .

[Edited 12/6/11 16:53pm]

You are TOTALLY CORRECT.

My god how can i be so blind...now when i hear people wax lyrical about princes so called genius or his complex song structures..how he is the modern day ellington...or his prodigous output..his staggering depth of musicianship..how the likes of clapton and bono and miles davis and santana and kravitz and maceo and thomas dolby and george clinton and common and ?love etc rate him as THE best i can now say

erm but he never gives autographs let alone buys his fans ice cream...........

jesus H christ its like children v adults.

i support newcastle united...if i gave your mate a pack of jelly babies would he burn his spurs flag and support the toon?

claudiax said:

The fans of michael are the major defenders of his idol, this owes to that Michael always was a captivation with his fans, always.
His fans feel it as a friend and not as an untouchable idol

Michael was giving you ice creams, pizza, he you was signing autographs always, nicely, genti, adorably with his fans

On the other hand prince and madonna? Or, if prince it sues us jeje, then my I like to it as artist, if someone speaks something badly on him do not matter for myself, but MJ uuuuuuh do not touch it.

I remember a friend of mine who hated Michael with all his soul, until it saw it in person in the vegas in 2007, he is a fan of madonna and has had the opportunity to two times know her to her, and madonna at least I do not even look at it. On the other hand Michael gave to him an autograph, I love you, that god blesses you, and one do you want a chocolate?... For a strange reason now he is a fan of Michael..

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH .

[Edited 12/6/11 16:53pm]

Michael was a sweet angel honestly and Im not saying that because I am a fan, im saying it because its true... even with normal people he went beyond and gave unconditionally and was not selfish, was patient AND even forgiving of those that did him wrong.. He loved and gave and its heartbreaking that he couldnt get that in return... While I have never meant Michael I do feel emotionally connected to him and his music and through my teenage years have learned how to control it..

Its rare that an artist can connect with his audiences as an entertainer and as a person while being sincere.

RRA said:

Madge and Mike's fans were never sued by their idols.

It is true, and I don't understand why he went there.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

RRA said:

Madge and Mike's fans were never sued by their idols.

It is true, and I don't understand why he went there.

reading through alot of posts if i was Prince i would have sued a hell of alot more:lol: