ComputerBlueSpain said:

In what, exactly, is Janet talented? On another note, I love how her stans are quick to claim #1 hits mean nothing. Yet, in the same breath, they stress Janet's charts success.

Rihanna has one over Janet. Both are equally (non) talented, but Rihanna has more success. Therefore, Rihanna is better than Janet. For the low IQ stans (most of them, actually), I'm stating that both are equal in every area of music so we can only see who's better by the one variable in which they are not equal, and that is chart's success. Thus Rihanna is better.

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I'm not a stan ( SEANMAN can confirm that..we had some pretty harsh arguments in the org). But I never said or thought that he had low IQ, on the contrary, I think he's smart...although I think he's a stan (word that he hates )...but my point is: u don't have 2 be a stan or a fan (like I am) 2 realize that u're pretty much a hater or don't have much knowledge about music history, otherwise u wouldn't say the things u said. I'd call low IQ someone who really believes that Rihanna is a better artist than J. It's like saying that Kate Perry is just as ggod as MJ just because she tied his record of 5 #1's from the same album..nonsense. U could do yourself a favour and check janet's body of work b4 u say this kind of BS, I bet u're not familiar with that, otherwise u wouldn't say such things.

ComputerBlueSpain said:

In what, exactly, is Janet talented? On another note, I love how her stans are quick to claim #1 hits mean nothing. Yet, in the same breath, they stress Janet's charts success.

Rihanna has one over Janet. Both are equally (non) talented, but Rihanna has more success. Therefore, Rihanna is better than Janet. For the low IQ stans (most of them, actually), I'm stating that both are equal in every area of music so we can only see who's better by the one variable in which they are not equal, and that is chart's success. Thus Rihanna is better.

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But Janet's talent goes beyond chart success, look at her influence, her enduring success, critical acclaim, not to mention dancing abilities that Rihanna could never touch.

go2theMax said:

ComputerBlueSpain said:

In what, exactly, is Janet talented? On another note, I love how her stans are quick to claim #1 hits mean nothing. Yet, in the same breath, they stress Janet's charts success.

Rihanna has one over Janet. Both are equally (non) talented, but Rihanna has more success. Therefore, Rihanna is better than Janet. For the low IQ stans (most of them, actually), I'm stating that both are equal in every area of music so we can only see who's better by the one variable in which they are not equal, and that is chart's success. Thus Rihanna is better.

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I'm not a stan ( SEANMAN can confirm that..we had some pretty harsh arguments in the org). But I never said or thought that he had low IQ, on the contrary, I think he's smart...although I think he's a stan (word that he hates )...but my point is: u don't have 2 be a stan or a fan (like I am) 2 realize that u're pretty much a hater or don't have much knowledge about music history, otherwise u wouldn't say the things u said. I'd call low IQ someone who really believes that Rihanna is a better artist than J. It's like saying that Kate Perry is just as ggod as MJ just because she tied his record of 5 #1's from the same album..nonsense. U could do yourself a favour and check janet's body of work b4 u say this kind of BS, I bet u're not familiar with that, otherwise u wouldn't say such things.

Exactly!

RKJCNE said:

ComputerBlueSpain said:

In what, exactly, is Janet talented? On another note, I love how her stans are quick to claim #1 hits mean nothing. Yet, in the same breath, they stress Janet's charts success.

Rihanna has one over Janet. Both are equally (non) talented, but Rihanna has more success. Therefore, Rihanna is better than Janet. For the low IQ stans (most of them, actually), I'm stating that both are equal in every area of music so we can only see who's better by the one variable in which they are not equal, and that is chart's success. Thus Rihanna is better.

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But Janet's talent goes beyond chart success, look at her influence, her enduring success, critical acclaim, not to mention dancing abilities that Rihanna could never touch.

Truth. But since ComputerBlueSpain is so keen on "chart successes", then we could argue that Janet is the only female to have five consecutive #1 albums on the Billboard 200, whereas Rihanna has el zippo (so far), but I digress...

lowkey said:

HotGritz said:

That's why I said she's (Rihanna) is highly marketable and appealing. In the music industry, its not just about talent but about how many people can relate to you in some way - its about likeability AND sex appeal. Rihanna doesn't offend (like Gaga might), she doesn't make girls feel unpretty or boys feel like they don't have a chance with her (the way Beyonce might). Rihanna has that girl next door appeal/it factor which goes a long way in the entertainment industry. Hell look at Justin Beiber! Can he vocally compare to any of the top male singers from the last decade and can he even dance like an Usher or Chris Brown or even Justin Timberlake? Hell nah! But the girls sure do like him and the boys think they can do just as well if not better than him. Oh, and the parents are alright with him too. You can play his music at the dinner table.

i think this is what alot of people are saying about the difference in todays music industry from when janet made her mark. you basically said there is not a difference between janet and rhianna , but just by this post you proved thats not true. janet was a chubby girl dressed in all black when she dropped control, she didnt get love from mtv or pop radio until she had a hit on her hands. control was great music and hard work. rhiana on the other hand didnt have to do much except go in the studio and yoodle, i mean sing the songs (sorry but regardless if you dont think janet can sing or not she is a much better singer then rhiana). i dont understand why its a big deal she passed janet, i mean she also passed stevie but nobody cares long as she passed janet,who gets so much unnecessary shade.

I don't see how you've come to that conclusion. I feel I've pointed out similarities between the two. I feel they (Janet & Rihanna) were both marketable and likeable for their time. Yes Janet was more reserved when she debuted, and I wouldn't call her chubby, but so was Rihanna. Both of these weak voiced women were conservative girl next door types who evolved into more sultry and sexy women but still representing images that were attainable, likeable and thusly marketable.

You could easily say Janet didn't have to do much but go into the studio and whisper. Have you heard "Come Give Your Love To Me"? Her performance of that song (lip synching) on American Bandstand is on YT and looking at it, its amazing how she evolved into the CONTROL woman we know today. I think her voice is stronger than it initially was but not much. Rihanna was basicaly a bubble gum danceclub artists who showed nothing more than a glimpse of her mid-drift and now...she's like Janet all bumpin' and grindin'. Her voice is not golden but it certainly isn't awful.

I agree with you that Janet gets unnecessary shade and I'm not sure why that is. Maybe its because she's a Jackson or maybe its because she basically lives a drama free life. You won't see her on weekly covers of tabloid magazines.

paisleypark4 said:

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that heffa's time has come and gone and come and gone again. no longer relevant.

I was jamming to What's My Name this morning, such a catchy song

HotGritz said:

paisleypark4 said:

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that heffa's time has come and gone and come and gone again. no longer relevant.

I'm so pissed!!!!!!But since it's easier nowadays to get a number one hit I'm sure soon she'll beat Madonna's U.S number ones. Oh well it's like Titans v. Olympians. The son beating the father (even though the father his so much more bad ass)

I still don't see why it matters

Jackson fans are crazy about records, making sure they have to constantly bring up Mike & Janets record breaking yada yada. You have to face it that someday they will probably be overturned by someone who has more grammys, more number 1's, more billboard, more i don't give a fuck about shit awards

It doesn't matter, someday The Beatls won't have the most number 1's either i'm sure, why get mad about people we don't know and records that don't mean shit. I love dozens of artists who only had 1 top 40 or none at all.

I don't see why it matters who gets number 1's or who doesn't, someday an artist may get 9 number 1's from an album. Listen to what you listen to, ignore Rihanna or whoever you don't like. These are just silly numbers that will someday i'm sure be broken.. cause records are meant to be broken. To me number 1's, billboard awards or Oscars doesn't reflect how amazing an artists is.

Prince doesn't have many grammys, Frank Zappa has no awards, Bob Marley or Diamanda Galas never won a grammy. And there still all geniuses either way

Gunsnhalen said:

I still don't see why it matters

Jackson fans are crazy about records, making sure they have to constantly bring up Mike & Janets record breaking yada yada. You have to face it that someday they will probably be overturned by someone who has more grammys, more number 1's, more billboard, more i don't give a fuck about shit awards

It doesn't matter, someday The Beatls won't have the most number 1's either i'm sure, why get mad about people we don't know and records that don't mean shit. I love dozens of artists who only had 1 top 40 or none at all.

I don't see why it matters who gets number 1's or who doesn't, someday an artist may get 9 number 1's from an album. Listen to what you listen to, ignore Rihanna or whoever you don't like. These are just silly numbers that will someday i'm sure be broken.. cause records are meant to be broken. To me number 1's, billboard awards or Oscars doesn't reflect how amazing an artists is.

Prince doesn't have many grammys, Frank Zappa has no awards, Bob Marley or Diamanda Galas never won a grammy. And there still all geniuses either way

To me, it really doesn't matter. It's the people who are so ignorant to blatantly say that because Rihanna now has one more #1 than Janet that she's automatically "better" or "superior" that I have a problem with.

How come Beyonce doesn't have more #1s? How did RiRi beat out BeyBey?

SEANMAN said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I still don't see why it matters

Jackson fans are crazy about records, making sure they have to constantly bring up Mike & Janets record breaking yada yada. You have to face it that someday they will probably be overturned by someone who has more grammys, more number 1's, more billboard, more i don't give a fuck about shit awards

It doesn't matter, someday The Beatls won't have the most number 1's either i'm sure, why get mad about people we don't know and records that don't mean shit. I love dozens of artists who only had 1 top 40 or none at all.

I don't see why it matters who gets number 1's or who doesn't, someday an artist may get 9 number 1's from an album. Listen to what you listen to, ignore Rihanna or whoever you don't like. These are just silly numbers that will someday i'm sure be broken.. cause records are meant to be broken. To me number 1's, billboard awards or Oscars doesn't reflect how amazing an artists is.

Prince doesn't have many grammys, Frank Zappa has no awards, Bob Marley or Diamanda Galas never won a grammy. And there still all geniuses either way

To me, it really doesn't matter. It's the people who are so ignorant to blatantly say that because Rihanna now has one more #1 than Janet that she's automatically "better" or "superior" that I have a problem with.

I just glad it was We Found Love that became number one (Instead of Cheers). Personally it's my 2nd favorite song of hers. Very Madonna Msuic era-ish.

musicjunky318 said:

Just wait until 6th grade is over Ima blow all these hoes out the water. Come see me in 10 years.

LOL! LOVE IT!!

She beat out Beyonce, cause a lot of her #1's are duets too on other people's albums.

And ?

Is that supposed to be a bad thing ?

Why is Janet supposed to be more succesful ?

Both are mediocre singers and both sing bland , fabricated pop music

You're acting as if Janet is some kind of genius

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Dewrede said:

And ?

Is that supposed to be a bad thing ?

Why is Janet supposed to be more succesful ?

Both are mediocre singers and both sing bland , fabricated pop music

You're acting as if Janet is some kind of genius

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She is a genius. You may think it's fabricated pop because, let's face it, about every female star nowadays takes from Janet in one way or another. Yes Janet doesn't have the best pipes but she's better than Madonna. She is a genius. Listen To Black Cat. Produced, written ect. by Janet. JUST Janet. Janet's lyrics are genius. She doesn't just do pop either. Changing from r&B to pop to techno to dance to hip-hop. There's tons more. Then there's stuff that only someone like Miss Jackson, to cause your nasty, could do like If. I have yet to have heard anything that sounds like If. Either you haven't heard her music, or your one of those people who work for Rolling Stone and think that Madonna is amazing at singing and is a musical genius, as well as thinking that rappers are genius (even though they don't make up their own music usually) and give their albums around 5 stars, while giving people like Janet, MJ, and Amy Winehouse "okay" reviews.

From a superficial level, it's easy for you to say that they are just pretty faces with okay voices. I don't see Rihanna writing her own songs, singing in diverse styles, doing anything that hasn't already been done. I enjoy her songs, but she is not another Janet, she's just a pretty face with catchy hooks and marketable music and image. Janet is more than that. And like it has already been said repeatedly on this thread, Rihanna had to collaborate on other artist's records to achieve her feat, all of Janet's #1's are solo.

Exactly what I'm saying, and yeah she's pretty

aardvark15 said:

Dewrede said:

And ?

Is that supposed to be a bad thing ?

Why is Janet supposed to be more succesful ?

Both are mediocre singers and both sing bland , fabricated pop music

You're acting as if Janet is some kind of genius

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She is a genius. You may think it's fabricated pop because, let's face it, about every female star nowadays takes from Janet in one way or another. Yes Janet doesn't have the best pipes but she's better than Madonna. She is a genius. Listen To Black Cat. Produced, written ect. by Janet. JUST Janet. Janet's lyrics are genius. She doesn't just do pop either. Changing from r&B to pop to techno to dance to hip-hop. There's tons more. Then there's stuff that only someone like Miss Jackson, to cause your nasty, could do like If. I have yet to have heard anything that sounds like If. Either you haven't heard her music, or your one of those people who work for Rolling Stone and think that Madonna is amazing at singing and is a musical genius, as well as thinking that rappers are genius (even though they don't make up their own music usually) and give their albums around 5 stars, while giving people like Janet, MJ, and Amy Winehouse "okay" reviews.

Trying a little hard there, kiddo. Jam & Lewis (and maybe Rene Elizando) were the true geniuses behind Janet's former success, not her. Everything she's done that didn't involve them has basically sucked and/or flopped. So what does that say? That last album "Discipline" was every bit as puppet mastered as the average Rihanna album, the only difference is that it didn't spin off any real hits. Janet is no genius. She was just lucky to emerge during a better time in music (and to at one point have a team in place that knew how to camaflauge her weaknesses under overproduction and extravagent videos...sort of like Rihanna today) - so if nothing else she gets window dressing points for that. And to say she doesn't have the best pipes is an understatement. Quite frankly she's a wretched singer. As much as I don't like Rihanna or her music, vocally she's a few pegs better than Janet.

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Janet and Rihanna work well with what they have vocally, and present it differently. And who doesn't have a successful team? Janet had a great one, but also did good things after, even if not on a level like before. Age and the superbowl also played a part. Just a Little While was climbing on the charts until Superbowl, All Nite Don't Stop and some other singles charted at the top of the dance charts, making her the highest charting female after Madonna. Feedback made the top 20, Call On Me the top 30, not to mention #1 on the r&b charts for awhile (even if I don't like the song). After Rene and Tina Landon, she had some of the biggest hits of her career with STCML, All For You and DRM. She had hit movies, even if it was cause of Tyler Perry or others. How many people can boast about all these achievements 20-30 years after starting out their music career?

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As much as I don't like Rihanna or her music, vocally she's a few pegs better than Janet.

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Let's see...

Oh yeah, clearly..

Lets face it :

Janet's #1s > Rihannas
Janet's singing > Rihannas
Janet's album sales > Rihannas
Janet's videos > Rihannas
Janet's songwrighting > Rihannas
Janet's dancing & performing > Rihanna's
Janet's acting > Rihanna's
Janet's tours > Rihannas
Janet's infulence > Rihannas

END.

Okay I just listened to Rihanna's new single... and I felt no love for it. The music/beat could have been lifted off of any clubmix, and her vocal sounds like the same formula of repeating a female vocalist's riffs with added echo over a repetitive club beat. She does have that island accent to her vocal, that dance hall vibe (but wasn't dance hall stuff popular many years ago? Like in 2001?)

I don't understand the appeal of this particular song at all. It sounds like almost anything a dance dj would play at a club... for the past ten years!

On the other hand, the initial "Umbrella" single does sound like an epic catchy hit to me. And that nonsensical "eh eh eh ella ella ella eh eh eh" is pop sugar.

Does anyone here really love the new single "We had Love"? Is it because of the lyrics? Let me go look them up. Inquiring minds wanna know!

no one ever mentions that other female pop star of manufacured hits that had catchy tunes... Jennifer Lopez? Oh, she only had 3 hit #1s. I remember people battling her against Janet Jackson. But before that it was Madonna vs Janet Jackson.

MrUFOman93 said:

As much as I don't like Rihanna or her music, vocally she's a few pegs better than Janet.

[Edited 11/5/11 8:41am]

Let's see...

Oh yeah, clearly..

Lets face it :

Janet's #1s > Rihannas
Janet's singing > Rihannas
Janet's album sales > Rihannas
Janet's videos > Rihannas
Janet's songwrighting > Rihannas
Janet's dancing & performing > Rihanna's
Janet's acting > Rihanna's
Janet's tours > Rihannas
Janet's infulence > Rihannas

END.

The end, indeed. NaQu is just another Janet-hating troll. I swear, you cut the head off one of them and another one just sprouts up in its place. Pathetic.

ufoclub said:

Okay I just listened to Rihanna's new single... and I felt no love for it. The music/beat could have been lifted off of any clubmix, and her vocal sounds like the same formula of repeating a female vocalist's riffs with added echo over a repetitive club beat. She does have that island accent to her vocal, that dance hall vibe (but wasn't dance hall stuff popular many years ago? Like in 2001?)

I don't understand the appeal of this particular song at all. It sounds like almost anything a dance dj would play at a club... for the past ten years!

On the other hand, the initial "Umbrella" single does sound like an epic catchy hit to me. And that nonsensical "eh eh eh ella ella ella eh eh eh" is pop sugar.

Does anyone here really love the new single "We had Love"? Is it because of the lyrics? Let me go look them up. Inquiring minds wanna know!

no one ever mentions that other female pop star of manufacured hits that had catchy tunes... Jennifer Lopez? Oh, she only had 3 hit #1s. I remember people battling her against Janet Jackson. But before that it was Madonna vs Janet Jackson.

What people forget is that Jennifer once danced for Janet, and was in the "That's the Way Love Goes" video.

this whole thread = bad joke