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The Who's Pete Townshend Brands iTunes a Digital Vampire

November 1, 2011

In remarks that seemed oddly timed for Halloween, the Who's Pete Townshend said iTunes "bleeds [artists' works] like a digital vampire" at the inaugural BBC 6 Music John Peel Lecture.

The rocker argued that Apple, whose iTunes store dominates digital download sales, should hire 20 talent scouts "from the dying record business" and provide artists with more than just a storefront.

"Is there really any good reason why, just because iTunes exists in the wild west internet land of Facebook and Twitter, it can't provide some aspect of these services to the artists whose work it bleeds like a digital vampire, like a digital Northern Rock, for its enormous commission?" Townshend said, according to the BBC.

Townshend also took aim at digital piracy, stating the Internet is "destroying digital copyright as we know it" and that illegal downloaders "may as well come and steal my son's bike while they're at it."

However, he noted that piracy could be an alternative to making music in obscurity.

"A creative person would prefer their music to be stolen and enjoyed than ignored," he said. "This is the dilemma for every creative soul: he or she would prefer to starve and be heard than to eat well and be ignored."

The talk, intended to become an annual event, honored the late BBC DJ John Peel, a tireless promoter of new music.

"Sometimes he played some records that no one else would ever have played, and that would never be played on radio again," Townshend said.

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Reply #1 posted 11/01/11 10:11pm

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He's one crusty ol' pedophile! smile

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Reply #2 posted 11/01/11 10:22pm

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NDRU said:

He's one crusty ol' pedophile! smile

lol

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Reply #3 posted 11/01/11 10:37pm

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Too bad he doesn't have a herd of sycophants to rush to his defense.


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Reply #4 posted 11/01/11 10:49pm

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theAudience said:

Too bad he doesn't have a herd of sycophants to rush to his defense.


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He's got a point, however, I don't really see iTunes as the problem since they are one of the only places actually selling music (which benefits artists unlike illegal downloads)

But it's pretty disturbing how badly the record industry is dealing with illegal music, iTunes is the only one that seems to be doing things right.

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Reply #5 posted 11/01/11 11:17pm

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NDRU said:

theAudience said:

Too bad he doesn't have a herd of sycophants to rush to his defense.


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He's got a point, however, I don't really see iTunes as the problem since they are one of the only places actually selling music (which benefits artists unlike illegal downloads)

But it's pretty disturbing how badly the record industry is dealing with illegal music, iTunes is the only one that seems to be doing things right.

Actually, my comment was a flat-falling attempt at a joke regarding your pedophile comment. shrug

In any case, I was reading an article yesterday that stated that an artist gets about $0.09 per song sold on iTunes.
At that rate, 1 million downloads would get them $90,000.
Subtract whatever expenses they may have (manager, lawyer, agent, any split with other band members, etc) and they'd end up making "minimum wage"...almost.

I reckon that's better than nothing.

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Reply #6 posted 11/01/11 11:37pm

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theAudience said:

NDRU said:

He's got a point, however, I don't really see iTunes as the problem since they are one of the only places actually selling music (which benefits artists unlike illegal downloads)

But it's pretty disturbing how badly the record industry is dealing with illegal music, iTunes is the only one that seems to be doing things right.

Actually, my comment was a flat-falling attempt at a joke regarding your pedophile comment. shrug

In any case, I was reading an article yesterday that stated that an artist gets about $0.09 per song sold on iTunes.
At that rate, 1 million downloads would get them $90,000.
Subtract whatever expenses they may have (manager, lawyer, agent, any split with other band members, etc) and they'd end up making "minimum wage"...almost.

I reckon that's better than nothing.

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tA

peace Tribal Records

Isn't that close to what artists were making on albums though, about $1 per album?

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Reply #7 posted 11/01/11 11:42pm

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I thought he was banned from using a computer....and what's happened to the book he so desperately needed to research.

What next - Gary Glitter on the evils of wheel clamping?
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Reply #8 posted 11/01/11 11:50pm

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NDRU said:

theAudience said:

Actually, my comment was a flat-falling attempt at a joke regarding your pedophile comment. shrug

In any case, I was reading an article yesterday that stated that an artist gets about $0.09 per song sold on iTunes.
At that rate, 1 million downloads would get them $90,000.
Subtract whatever expenses they may have (manager, lawyer, agent, any split with other band members, etc) and they'd end up making "minimum wage"...almost.

I reckon that's better than nothing.

Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records

Isn't that close to what artists were making on albums though, about $1 per album?

Possibly.

I'll have to consult my weathered copy of This Business of Music. geek

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Reply #9 posted 11/02/11 12:06am

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theAudience said:

NDRU said:

Isn't that close to what artists were making on albums though, about $1 per album?

Possibly.

I'll have to consult my weathered copy of This Business of Music. geek

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Still I see your point. When you do the numbers $.09 sounds very low, especially with so much of today's music being about the single once again.

You have an amazing year and a million people BUY your song, and you only get $90,000! Not exactly private jet money.

But then, I'd be okay with it. I probably made less than $1000 last year

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Reply #10 posted 11/02/11 1:10am

Timmy84

I have to sign with him on the whole iTunes bit, I look at it like this, don't record labels usually pay the artist about a dollar for the album sales when they combine CDs, LPs and, (now) MP3s? And iTunes basically does the same thing...

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Reply #11 posted 11/02/11 8:12am

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I'm sorry that artist/musicians are still getting the shaft from all. The facts and the truth, it's not the responsibility of Apple Inc. to prop up the music industry nor its artist. Apple provides a service for now that's way ahead of the curve, fast, slinder, and sinker ball interms of hardware & software. They are in the computer/technology business.

As I've said upteem times, musicians MUST become more business minded, because if they don't whether its the record companies, managers, Apple, or XYZ Inc. someone is going to screw them without asking them to bend over. The argument and the issue has always been how the pie is split up; when you look at the numbers it's pretty much as it always been. Digitals stores didn't start this mess.

As Tremolina mentioned in another thread, 'why haven't record companies started their own digital stores', the question could be asked of artist/musicians. I'm not speaking on a individual bases but as a group incompassing artist along the music totem pole. Or, maybe just maybe since the record companies and artist are losing all control and power over distribution and intellectual property, if they joined forces maybe they can save themselve. Each side realizing there's much to lose and maybe more to gain if they come together to compete against digital stores. With artist demanding the pie being cut up in a different way... they have ownership, and control of their material from day one, just for starters.

Funny thing is, we are at the begining of digital technology and a decade from now when we look back at digital music compainies interfaces, 'they'll look as funny and as out dated as Ford Model T. I'd advise artist to get their heads out of the sand or grease up so it won't hurt as much. lol

Just because Apple's in the driver seat for now doesn't mean they will always be dominant. Once upon a time they said that about GM, Xerox, IBM, Sears, and Banks that were to BIG to fail. lol

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Reply #12 posted 11/02/11 10:42am

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^ That's TRUE lol

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Reply #13 posted 11/02/11 10:47am

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theAudience said:

Too bad he doesn't have a herd of sycophants to rush to his defense.


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He is actually correct but itunes is NOT why the industry is tanking.

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Reply #14 posted 11/02/11 1:26pm

Timmy84

purpledoveuk said:

I thought he was banned from using a computer....and what's happened to the book he so desperately needed to research. What next - Gary Glitter on the evils of wheel clamping?

Hmm, I don't know about him being banned from the child porn offense, apparently that "book" hasn't got finished. I've been suspicious about dude since reading that. neutral

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Timmy84 said:

purpledoveuk said:

I thought he was banned from using a computer....and what's happened to the book he so desperately needed to research. What next - Gary Glitter on the evils of wheel clamping?

Hmm, I don't know about him being banned from the child porn offense, apparently that "book" hasn't got finished. I've been suspicious about dude since reading that. neutral

maybe someone advised him to leave that subject behind! I am not saying he was guilty of anything, but it is hard to shake some things (right MJ?)

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Timmy84 said:

Hmm, I don't know about him being banned from the child porn offense, apparently that "book" hasn't got finished. I've been suspicious about dude since reading that. neutral

maybe someone advised him to leave that subject behind! I am not saying he was guilty of anything, but it is hard to shake some things (right MJ?)

Might. But if he had felt so strongly about it - especially since he recalled being molested himself as a child, then he would've said "fuck it" and wrote it anyway... neutral

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Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

maybe someone advised him to leave that subject behind! I am not saying he was guilty of anything, but it is hard to shake some things (right MJ?)

Might. But if he had felt so strongly about it - especially since he recalled being molested himself as a child, then he would've said "fuck it" and wrote it anyway... neutral

yes, and maybe answered some of the questions that linger in peoples' minds

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So when's that book you were writing coming out then Pete...??

I've got a friend in the police and she says 90% of paedos use the old "research" excuse to get off the hook....I wouldn't give this man the time of day now, which is said as The Who kick ass!

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Reply #19 posted 11/03/11 1:00am

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Timmy84 said:




purpledoveuk said:


I thought he was banned from using a computer....and what's happened to the book he so desperately needed to research. What next - Gary Glitter on the evils of wheel clamping?

Hmm, I don't know about him being banned from the child porn offense, apparently that "book" hasn't got finished. I've been suspicious about dude since reading that. neutral




maybe someone advised him to leave that subject behind! I am not saying he was guilty of anything, but it is hard to shake some things (right MJ?)


Well he WAS guilty of what he was guilty of ...looking at images of children, no 2 ways about - whether he did it for 'research' or his own gratification it's irrelevant ...hs either a moron or a perverted moron....Chris Langam didn't seem to get away with the 'research' excuse after Townsend ...makes you wonder why
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Reply #20 posted 11/03/11 10:46am

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There's nothing to be said about the internet incident that he hasn't said in interviews and the "Amazing Journey" documentary. He doesn't avoid talking about it. He said as soon as he found the site, he talked it over with the cops and a lawyer friend. He gave the cops open access to his computers and would've found something through his ISP.

But no one has anything to say about Jimmy Page? He's on record having sex with a 13 year old yet never charged with any crimes. There was video of him at a charity in Pattaya Thailand, and that's known for being a sex tourist place.

It comes down to Pete noticing the royalty checks are diminishing and Apple's making tons of cash. Prince would prob. have the same complaints.

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Reply #21 posted 11/03/11 2:15pm

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I have to sign with him on the whole iTunes bit, I look at it like this, don't record labels usually pay the artist about a dollar for the album sales when they combine CDs, LPs and, (now) MP3s? And iTunes basically does the same thing...

I think that YES labels of course dropped the ball in terms of having their own stores, but they pushed this think along, elimination of retail for music was a bigger issue than iTunes, illegal downloading is an issue and yes its hurt, but like NICK RHODES of Duran duran said last week "if everyone got everything for free in every industry, what would happen" and this has been said over and over, labels dont really care about music selling, if they cant make money off you one way they will market other things and make $$$ so i dont agree with people when they say LABELS hurt, they dont, they ignored things but adapted in ways that have nothing to do with music now, thats why you dont see certain things pushed and very very narrow playlist and mainstream, because they dont want to lose money they are making now. iTunes to me isnt an issue becuase its storefront is going to be getting hit from every end now on competiton, eMusic site is going to become a major player next year, its selling music at half of what itunes is, though subscription based, its still locking you in as a consumer, itunes is not, which is a mistake on their part. Amazon also will become even bigger now with its major tablet release that will basically destroy or force apple to get real with ipad pricing, it basically is giving buyers everything but a camera for 300 dollars cheper.


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Reply #22 posted 11/03/11 6:25pm

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There's nothing to be said about the internet incident that he hasn't said in interviews and the "Amazing Journey" documentary. He doesn't avoid talking about it. He said as soon as he found the site, he talked it over with the cops and a lawyer friend. He gave the cops open access to his computers and would've found something through his ISP.

But no one has anything to say about Jimmy Page? He's on record having sex with a 13 year old yet never charged with any crimes. There was video of him at a charity in Pattaya Thailand, and that's known for being a sex tourist place.

It comes down to Pete noticing the royalty checks are diminishing and Apple's making tons of cash. Prince would prob. have the same complaints.

You're confusing Jimmy for Gary Glitter though we know Jimmy had sex with a 14-year-old. Pete's still wrong. It's like a cop going into a child porn site with his credit card. I admire dude for wanting to do research but he could've done it another way than subscribing to a site that promotes abusing little kids.

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