Timmy84 said:

sms130 said:

Yeah, it's more exclusive content from those that were there during the Death Row days on that sites forum. You think that was something, it's more stories like that on there.

I viewed some of those videos right after. I may post them later. It's quite telling considering the fact 'Pac was about ready to leave Death Row after technically finishing three albums ("All Eyez on Me" was a double album)...

Then again, was he really going to leave? We will never know. It's some that say that we wasn't going to leave. It's interesting.

sms130 said:

Timmy84 said:

I viewed some of those videos right after. I may post them later. It's quite telling considering the fact 'Pac was about ready to leave Death Row after technically finishing three albums ("All Eyez on Me" was a double album)...

Then again, was he really going to leave? We will never know. It's some that say that we wasn't going to leave. It's interesting.

It really is. Even in his final interviews, he was talking about doing Death Row East and was also doing his own label (Makaveli Records) and the song "One Nation" on top of that so he could make Death Row bigger than what it was with Snoop. I feel had he lived and not been shot/killed in September '96, not only would those things have happened but he might've done more film roles. I mean he was starting to see that he could go far...then he got taken out.

I have one of Tupac's actual business cards, printed up less than a month before he passed. It was given to me in person by his brother. It has the logo of his new company - Euphanasia, his phone number and fax. One of my most prized possessions.

Everything I know about it - I'm tight with a lot of Pac's family and friends - suggests that Euphanasia was nothing to do with Death Row. Johnny J (RIP) also had started a company with 'Pac called Non-Stop Productions and that was going to operate separately from Death Row also. I don't think Pac would have severed all ties with Death Row, but he had things going on and things planned to go on that weren't anything to do with DR, too.

Militant said:

I have one of Tupac's actual business cards, printed up less than a month before he passed. It was given to me in person by his brother. It has the logo of his new company - Euphanasia, his phone number and fax. One of my most prized possessions.

Everything I know about it - I'm tight with a lot of Pac's family and friends - suggests that Euphanasia was nothing to do with Death Row. Johnny J (RIP) also had started a company with 'Pac called Non-Stop Productions and that was going to operate separately from Death Row also. I don't think Pac would have severed all ties with Death Row, but he had things going on and things planned to go on that weren't anything to do with DR, too.

Pac breaking off from Death Row is the most likely reason why he got killed. Pac was one of Suges biggest sellers, Death Row had stolen a metric ass ton of money from Pac and Pac was tryin to get that sorted out. Next thing ya know Suge and Pac are driving along and a spray of bullets decimate Pacs side of the car

ManlyMoose said:

Militant said:

I have one of Tupac's actual business cards, printed up less than a month before he passed. It was given to me in person by his brother. It has the logo of his new company - Euphanasia, his phone number and fax. One of my most prized possessions.

Everything I know about it - I'm tight with a lot of Pac's family and friends - suggests that Euphanasia was nothing to do with Death Row. Johnny J (RIP) also had started a company with 'Pac called Non-Stop Productions and that was going to operate separately from Death Row also. I don't think Pac would have severed all ties with Death Row, but he had things going on and things planned to go on that weren't anything to do with DR, too.

Pac breaking off from Death Row is the most likely reason why he got killed. Pac was one of Suges biggest sellers, Death Row had stolen a metric ass ton of money from Pac and Pac was tryin to get that sorted out. Next thing ya know Suge and Pac are driving along and a spray of bullets decimate Pacs side of the car

It's strange. In one hand I can see why Pac may have been set up but remember Suge was also grazed with a shot to his dome. You'd think if Suge set it up that he wouldn't get hit idk... from Frank Alexander's point of view, it would be impossible for Suge to do that.

Timmy84 said:

ManlyMoose said:

Pac breaking off from Death Row is the most likely reason why he got killed. Pac was one of Suges biggest sellers, Death Row had stolen a metric ass ton of money from Pac and Pac was tryin to get that sorted out. Next thing ya know Suge and Pac are driving along and a spray of bullets decimate Pacs side of the car

It's strange. In one hand I can see why Pac may have been set up but remember Suge was also grazed with a shot to his dome. You'd think if Suge set it up that he wouldn't get hit idk... from Frank Alexander's point of view, it would be impossible for Suge to do that.

I think its fair to say that Suge can take a bullet without getting seriously hurt. Aint that dude been shot quite a number of times? He's like Rasputin....he just don't die no matter how many times you pop a cap in his ass.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

It's strange. In one hand I can see why Pac may have been set up but remember Suge was also grazed with a shot to his dome. You'd think if Suge set it up that he wouldn't get hit idk... from Frank Alexander's point of view, it would be impossible for Suge to do that.

I think its fair to say that Suge can take a bullet without getting seriously hurt. Aint that dude been shot quite a number of times? He's like Rasputin....he just don't die no matter how many times you pop a cap in his ass.

Militant said:

I have one of Tupac's actual business cards, printed up less than a month before he passed. It was given to me in person by his brother. It has the logo of his new company - Euphanasia, his phone number and fax. One of my most prized possessions.

Everything I know about it - I'm tight with a lot of Pac's family and friends - suggests that Euphanasia was nothing to do with Death Row. Johnny J (RIP) also had started a company with 'Pac called Non-Stop Productions and that was going to operate separately from Death Row also. I don't think Pac would have severed all ties with Death Row, but he had things going on and things planned to go on that weren't anything to do with DR, too.

Right! Militant, u're right homie. Johnny was set to be apart of every musical project coming to 2Pac. What people don't know is that Suge was helping 2Pac with Makaveli Records. Suge was the one who encouraged 2Pac to have his own company. The bigger question would be is whether or not Makaveli Records was gonna be just logo label or a real label! 2Pac learned a bit with his first label Out Da Gutta Records. I think 2Pac was pushing for Makaveli Records to be a real label. I don't think Suge setup 2Pac to get killed. Bullets ain't got no names on them. Why risk your own life to setup or take another life? Til this day, Suge calls 2Pac his little brother. That don't add up. Even if 2Pac was leaving Death Row, it would have better for Suge if 2Pac lived then died.

You know a year ago I would've firmly believed Suge had something to do with his death but reading the details, I see how it was impossible for Suge to pull that off. 'Pac would've known something was up if he felt Suge was doing him dirty. There's still rumors he wasn't given adequate pay for his work with Death Row but even some of Pac's associates dispute that saying that he was getting paid, I think monthly.

Timmy84 said:

You know a year ago I would've firmly believed Suge had something to do with his death but reading the details, I see how it was impossible for Suge to pull that off. 'Pac would've known something was up if he felt Suge was doing him dirty. There's still rumors he wasn't given adequate pay for his work with Death Row but even some of Pac's associates dispute that saying that he was getting paid, I think monthly.

I've read Pac sole 67 million records during his career but died with less than $50k to his name. Now I'm not sayin' Suge cheated him but the quickest way to get over on a person who isn't used to having a lot of money is to pay them in CASH. Also, a lot of other artists signed to death row weren't making the kind of money they should have been making. Watch that Welcome to Death Row documentary. All but the artists were gettin' paid hand over fist and turning into multi-millionaries overnight.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

You know a year ago I would've firmly believed Suge had something to do with his death but reading the details, I see how it was impossible for Suge to pull that off. 'Pac would've known something was up if he felt Suge was doing him dirty. There's still rumors he wasn't given adequate pay for his work with Death Row but even some of Pac's associates dispute that saying that he was getting paid, I think monthly.

I've read Pac sole 67 million records during his career but died with less than $50k to his name. Now I'm not sayin' Suge cheated him but the quickest way to get over on a person who isn't used to having a lot of money is to pay them in CASH. Also, a lot of other artists signed to death row weren't making the kind of money they should have been making. Watch that Welcome to Death Row documentary. All but the artists were gettin' paid hand over fist and turning into multi-millionaries overnight.

2Pac was not only not paid by Death Row but also from his other record label. It seemed no matter how much money he made he was always broke. I don't think he left a will either.

Pac is like the Little Walter of the rap game. He made great music, left school , fucked around with the wrong kinds of women, didn't get paid right and what he did get paid he blew right through it, loud mouth and short temper, steady gettin' in trouble with the law, and dying way too soon.

HotGritz said:

Pac is like the Little Walter of the rap game. He made great music, left school , fucked around with the wrong kinds of women, didn't get paid right and what he did get paid he blew right through it, loud mouth and short temper, steady gettin' in trouble with the law, and dying way too soon.

Good point.