bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Depends on how many songs that are "finished"...

Hollywood Tonight wasn't finished but it still made the cut

Hell, Breaking News, Monster, and Keep Your Head Up were probably RECORDED without Michael and they still got released

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BRUH, you know that's NOT acceptable!

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Two years after his untimely death and 40 years after his solo debut, Michael Jackson continues to be placed in Billboard's chart rankings for this year:

Top Artists 2011
#34 Michael Jackson

BB200 Albums Artists
#25 Michael Jackson

BB200 Albums
#54 Michael - Michael Jackson
#120 Number Ones - Michael Jackson

Catalogue Artist
#5 Michael Jackson

Catalogue Albums
#4 Number Ones - Michael Jackson

R&B/Hip Hop Artists
#17 Michael Jackson

R&B/Hip Hop Albums Artists
#13 - Michael Jackson

R&B/Hip Hop Albums
#14 Michael - Michael Jackson
#100 This Is It - Michael Jackson

Top 50 Social Artists
#9 Michael Jackson

THE TOP 10 BEST SELLING UK SINGLES ACTS

(To W/E 19th November 2011)

1) Cliff Richard - 21,410,000
2) Beatles - 21,170,000
3) Elvis Presley - 21,000,000
4) Madonna - 17,345,000
5) Elton John - 15,075,000
6) Michael Jackson - 14,795,000
7) Queen - 12,595,000
8) Rihanna - 11,600,000 (11,594,209)
9) ABBA - 11,085,000
10) David Bowie - 10,330,000

Zeus555

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Just in the UK alone on singles.

This is from last month but it looks like Michael's estate will be getting paid from the MOTOWN catalog of his work!

Sony-EMI Deal Reunites Jackson 5 Songs With Michael Jackson
by Zack O'Malley Greenburg, Forbes Staff

In the years after Michael Jackson became an international superstar, the song “I Want You Back” took on a new, reflexive sort of meaning for him.

Flush with cash from the stratospheric success of his solo career, Jackson thought seriously about buying the publishing rights to some of the songs he’d recorded years earlier as a member of the Jackson 5–including “I Want You Back,” one of hundreds in Motown’s Jobete catalog, then owned by the legendary Berry Gordy and his sister. Despite serious interest from Jackson, who was “like a son” to Gordy, the music mogul sold a 50% stake in the catalog to EMI for $132 million in 1997.

But dreams often take a lifetime to achieve, and the King of Pop seems to have realized this one posthumously. On Friday, a Sony-led team of investors purchased EMI’s entire publishing catalog for $2.2 billion. The group includes billionaire David Geffen, the Blackstone Group’s GSO Capital Partners LP, and none other than the estate of Michael Jackson (its stake is nested within Sony’s 38% share of EMI, according to sources close to the negotiations).

The move makes sense for reasons beyond just the sentimental. Michael Jackson’s estate still co-owns the separate Sony/ATV publishing catalog in a joint venture with Sony; that company, headed by former EMI chief Marty Bandier, will administer the newly-acquired EMI assets on behalf of the investors.

Still, the reunion is little more than a drop in the financial bucket. Because Sony/ATV will soon begin receiving administrative fees from the EMI catalog’s new owners, its own value is likely north of $2 billion as well.

As for Jackson, his estate has raked in half a billion dollars since his death two and a half years ago. And though the King of Pop’s posthumous concert flick was called This Is It, he’s just getting started from a posthumous earnings perspective. Jackson’s Immortal World Tour, a partnership with Cirque du Soleil, is grossing $2.4 million a night; plans call for over 100 shows a year for each of the next three years.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sit...d=rss_home

Timmy84 said:

THE TOP 10 BEST SELLING UK SINGLES ACTS

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TOP 10 best selling albums acts in UK
1. 34,095,000 The Beatles
2. 26,725,000 Michael Jackson
3. 25,535,000 Queen
4. 22,510,000 Elvis Presley
5. 22,490,000 Madonna
6. 18,930,000 Robbie Williams
7. 18,735,000 ABBA
8. 18,070,000 U2
9. 17,470,000 Elton John
10. 16,770,000 Pink Floyd

more than 40 million records in total in the United Kingdom
In general, MJ ranks third after the Beatles and Elvis on sales of singles + albums.

The second largest market in Europe - France.

Top 20 best-selling international artists in France (according to the resource http://www.infodisc.fr):
01 Céline Dion - 21.39 million

Oo, I know, but Celine has released many albums in French, so it makes such a huge success.

02 Michael Jackson - 19.89 million
03 Madonna - 17.92 mio
04 The Beatles - 17.33 mio
05 Nana Mouskouri - 13.36 mio
06 Elton John - 13.34 mio
07 Pink Floyd - 12.54 mio
08 The Rolling Stones - 10.34 mio
09 Julio Iglesias - 10.05 mio
10 Phil Collins - 10.03 mio
11 U2 - 9.76 mio
12 Boney M - 9.70 mio
13 Bee Gees - 9.22 mio
14 Demis Roussos - 9.21 mio
15 Dire Straits - 8.79 mio
16 Abba - 8.59 mio
17 Supertramp - 8.10 mio
18 Queen - 7.95 mio
19 Lara Fabian - 7.13 mio
20 Mariah Carey - 7.02 mio

samhabib said:

Fantastic video that looks at discussing Michael Jackson's Civil Rights message. Takes in everything from the Black Panther Party, the SNCC, Malcolm X and Janet Jackson. Genius...

Thanks for posting. Very interesting. It helped me clear up some of his work.

LiLi1992 said:

In general, MJ ranks third after the Beatles and Elvis on sales of singles + albums.

LOL

An entire flood of recollections of people arguing this down to the ground came back to me with the aid of this one sentence.

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[Edited 12/12/11 7:02am]

Michaek Jackson owned The Beatles and he owned Elvis:

No kidding

LiLi1992 said:

Timmy84 said:

THE TOP 10 BEST SELLING UK SINGLES ACTS

+
TOP 10 best selling albums acts in UK
1. 34,095,000 The Beatles
2. 26,725,000 Michael Jackson
3. 25,535,000 Queen
4. 22,510,000 Elvis Presley
5. 22,490,000 Madonna
6. 18,930,000 Robbie Williams
7. 18,735,000 ABBA
8. 18,070,000 U2
9. 17,470,000 Elton John
10. 16,770,000 Pink Floyd

more than 40 million records in total in the United Kingdom
In general, MJ ranks third after the Beatles and Elvis on sales of singles + albums.

Thanks for posting that.

LiLi1992 said:

Timmy84 said:

THE TOP 10 BEST SELLING UK SINGLES ACTS

+
TOP 10 best selling albums acts in UK
1. 34,095,000 The Beatles
2. 26,725,000 Michael Jackson
3. 25,535,000 Queen
4. 22,510,000 Elvis Presley
5. 22,490,000 Madonna
6. 18,930,000 Robbie Williams
7. 18,735,000 ABBA
8. 18,070,000 U2
9. 17,470,000 Elton John
10. 16,770,000 Pink Floyd

more than 40 million records in total in the United Kingdom
In general, MJ ranks third after the Beatles and Elvis on sales of singles + albums.

Where did you find this info?

Swa said:

Great to see some discussions about THE MUSIC on here again.

Something I think we haqve to acknowledge, and sadly get used to, is that Michael is unlikely to have another number 1 album - despite how much we would all like it.

The general public interest isn't there for new music any more, and any re-releases will only be snapped up by us the fans. Another rerelease of Bad or Thriller or Off Thw Wall won't draw in a mass of sales. In a similar way that the recent U2 and Pink Floyd re-releases haven't set the charts on fire, we can expect the same for Michael.

And post-humous albums like 'Michael" and even "The Immortal" won't hit number 1.

It's not a matter of talent, or promotion, its just that there isn't the excitement of hearing a "new" MJ song, supported by a new MJ video with Michael being around.

i was going to post something along the lines of what you said but i completly agree.

i feel like the estate is trying to make michael more commercial now, and i dont like it one bit.. they are trying to market the "casual" michael jackson fan. but honestly how many casual fans do you see listening to "much to soon" or "best of joy" NONE! what they need to do is market for the fans like us, with all the REAL unreleased material and demos and anything else for that matter, not some overly edited commercial lets try to get it at number one album.. because like you said the posthumous albums are not for the casual fans, they are for the big time fans like us that want to hear all of michaels music, i also feel thats why we wont see much more this is it footage, because the casual fan doesnt want to see 80 hours of michael coming up with ideas and experimenting and michael being michael,the estate really needs to fix this.

dm3857 said:

Swa said:

Great to see some discussions about THE MUSIC on here again.

Something I think we haqve to acknowledge, and sadly get used to, is that Michael is unlikely to have another number 1 album - despite how much we would all like it.

The general public interest isn't there for new music any more, and any re-releases will only be snapped up by us the fans. Another rerelease of Bad or Thriller or Off Thw Wall won't draw in a mass of sales. In a similar way that the recent U2 and Pink Floyd re-releases haven't set the charts on fire, we can expect the same for Michael.

And post-humous albums like 'Michael" and even "The Immortal" won't hit number 1.

It's not a matter of talent, or promotion, its just that there isn't the excitement of hearing a "new" MJ song, supported by a new MJ video with Michael being around.

i was going to post something along the lines of what you said but i completly agree.

i feel like the estate is trying to make michael more commercial now, and i dont like it one bit.. they are trying to market the "casual" michael jackson fan. but honestly how many casual fans do you see listening to "much to soon" or "best of joy" NONE! what they need to do is market for the fans like us, with all the REAL unreleased material and demos and anything else for that matter, not some overly edited commercial lets try to get it at number one album.. because like you said the posthumous albums are not for the casual fans, they are for the big time fans like us that want to hear all of michaels music, i also feel thats why we wont see much more this is it footage, because the casual fan doesnt want to see 80 hours of michael coming up with ideas and experimenting and michael being michael,the estate really needs to fix this.

I agree

Just read an interview with singer Montell Jordan and he mentioned that he wrote Sisqo's song "Incomplete" for Michael Jackson

I agree with what you guys are saying. And I know it sounds childish or possessive, but before he died, I felt like he was ours, and now I can't fully enjoy him, cause it feels like he is theirs (the public) and I feel I have to explain or rub in that I have been a fan for a very long time with a huge collection and used to perform to him. That's why it feels more interesting to like Prince now, though I prefer MJ. Though I'm glad and grateful he was recognized too after the death, I also felt anger and still do though I know he was being recognized before it too.

Unholyalliance said:

LiLi1992 said:

In general, MJ ranks third after the Beatles and Elvis on sales of singles + albums.

LOL

An entire flood of recollections of people arguing this down to the ground came back to me with the aid of this one sentence.

"The Lost Children" is torture! I like Heal the World to a certain extent. It's a song I can play maybe once or twice a month but I don't fancy it. What More Can I give is a train wreck! Like you said, it's too much going on in the record

Man in the Mirror >>> everything else.

Screw you both. I love The Lost Children and Heal The World. BOTH songs are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep The Faith and Cry. Now those are some really shitty songs.

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i love all of those songs.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Just read an interview with singer Montell Jordan and he mentioned that he wrote Sisqo's song "Incomplete" for Michael Jackson

Montell Jordan: We wrote that song for Michael Jackson! *Laughs* With Sisqo, we wrote that song, I had Michael Jackson in mind. It’s about a guy who literally had everything but without the girl that his life would be incomplete. The song sat around probably for a year, maybe a year and a half before anybody even came to record the song. It was very cool that at the time, Dru Hill’s lead vocalist Sisqo was going solo and we got an opportunity to record the song on him. Originally, the best thing that I remember about that song was that it was recorded for Michael Jackson. I think I even demoed the song, nobody will ever hear it, but I actually sang the song like Michael Jackson would sing it. There’s probably a version of that somewhere in Shep’s archives.

thank god sisqo got it

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Just read an interview with singer Montell Jordan and he mentioned that he wrote Sisqo's song "Incomplete" for Michael Jackson

thank god sisqo got it

I agree. It wouldn't have fit Michael at all. Sisqo was right for the song!

dm3857 said:

Swa said:

Great to see some discussions about THE MUSIC on here again.

Something I think we haqve to acknowledge, and sadly get used to, is that Michael is unlikely to have another number 1 album - despite how much we would all like it.

The general public interest isn't there for new music any more, and any re-releases will only be snapped up by us the fans. Another rerelease of Bad or Thriller or Off Thw Wall won't draw in a mass of sales. In a similar way that the recent U2 and Pink Floyd re-releases haven't set the charts on fire, we can expect the same for Michael.

And post-humous albums like 'Michael" and even "The Immortal" won't hit number 1.

It's not a matter of talent, or promotion, its just that there isn't the excitement of hearing a "new" MJ song, supported by a new MJ video with Michael being around.

i was going to post something along the lines of what you said but i completly agree.

i feel like the estate is trying to make michael more commercial now, and i dont like it one bit.. they are trying to market the "casual" michael jackson fan. but honestly how many casual fans do you see listening to "much to soon" or "best of joy" NONE! what they need to do is market for the fans like us, with all the REAL unreleased material and demos and anything else for that matter, not some overly edited commercial lets try to get it at number one album.. because like you said the posthumous albums are not for the casual fans, they are for the big time fans like us that want to hear all of michaels music, i also feel thats why we wont see much more this is it footage, because the casual fan doesnt want to see 80 hours of michael coming up with ideas and experimenting and michael being michael,the estate really needs to fix this.

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SAY IT AGAIN!!!!!!

the focus is a misdirected

Question, if the estate decided to do a full remastering/reissue campaign and released box set editions of

Off The Wall

Thriller

Bad

Dangerous

HIStory/Blood On The Dancefloor

Invincible

and the sets included not only the original albums remastered BUT also NEW MIXES done by the people who worked on the albums?

like say.... for the upcoming bad 25 set, they had Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, John Barnes, Greg Philliganes, and maybe Quincy go back and do alternative mixes of the songs for a bonus disc?

bboy87 said:

Question, if the estate decided to do a full remastering/reissue campaign and released box set editions of

Off The Wall

Thriller

Bad

Dangerous

HIStory/Blood On The Dancefloor

Invincible

and the sets included not only the original albums remastered BUT also NEW MIXES done by the people who worked on the albums?

like say.... for the upcoming bad 25 set, they had Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, John Barnes, Greg Philliganes, and maybe Quincy go back and do alternative mixes of the songs for a bonus disc?

I think it would be a nice idea, but not a good one. I'd rather stick to the original mixes...unless we can guess alternate vocal takes along with those new mixes...

bboy87 said:

Question, if the estate decided to do a full remastering/reissue campaign and released box set editions of

Off The Wall

Thriller

Bad

Dangerous

HIStory/Blood On The Dancefloor

Invincible

and the sets included not only the original albums remastered BUT also NEW MIXES done by the people who worked on the albums?

like say.... for the upcoming bad 25 set, they had Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, John Barnes, Greg Philliganes, and maybe Quincy go back and do alternative mixes of the songs for a bonus disc?

Interesting approach. Not sure I would want to hear things updated with new mixes.

I don't mind if they go back to old "unreleased" demos and update - but I would ultimately love to hear a deluxe edition with a remastered album PLUS a disc of every track as a demo.

Of course, all that said, I did raise the idea of a BAD 25 with a bonus version of Bad with Prince on co-vocals so we could hear the song as it was first conceived, lol.

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

Question, if the estate decided to do a full remastering/reissue campaign and released box set editions of

Off The Wall

Thriller

Bad

Dangerous

HIStory/Blood On The Dancefloor

Invincible

and the sets included not only the original albums remastered BUT also NEW MIXES done by the people who worked on the albums?

like say.... for the upcoming bad 25 set, they had Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, John Barnes, Greg Philliganes, and maybe Quincy go back and do alternative mixes of the songs for a bonus disc?

I think it would be a nice idea, but not a good one. I'd rather stick to the original mixes...unless we can guess alternate vocal takes along with those new mixes...

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

Question, if the estate decided to do a full remastering/reissue campaign and released box set editions of

Off The Wall

Thriller

Bad

Dangerous

HIStory/Blood On The Dancefloor

Invincible

and the sets included not only the original albums remastered BUT also NEW MIXES done by the people who worked on the albums?

like say.... for the upcoming bad 25 set, they had Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, John Barnes, Greg Philliganes, and maybe Quincy go back and do alternative mixes of the songs for a bonus disc?

I think it would be a nice idea, but not a good one. I'd rather stick to the original mixes...unless we can guess alternate vocal takes along with those new mixes...

Use alternate vocal takes or vocals that didn't make the cut, use instruments that didn't make the final mixes, maybe strip away parts, make extended mixes....I know I can't be the only one who wish that "Just Good Friends" was a maybe a minute longer because Michael's and Stevie's adlibs sound like they were about to GO IN The last minute or 2 of that song is the highlight!

I already made my fantasy tracklisting for a Bad 25th anniversary edition if you guys wanna see it

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I think it would be a nice idea, but not a good one. I'd rather stick to the original mixes...unless we can guess alternate vocal takes along with those new mixes...

Use alternate vocal takes or vocals that didn't make the cut, use instruments that didn't make the final mixes, maybe strip away parts, make extended mixes....I know I can't be the only one who wish that "Just Good Friends" was a maybe a minute longer because Michael's and Stevie's adlibs sound like they were about to GO IN The last minute or 2 of that song is the highlight!

I already made my fantasy tracklisting for a Bad 25th anniversary edition if you guys wanna see it

I don't like Just Good Friends. Pure filler track to me.

Post that Bad list again brotha!

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

Use alternate vocal takes or vocals that didn't make the cut, use instruments that didn't make the final mixes, maybe strip away parts, make extended mixes....I know I can't be the only one who wish that "Just Good Friends" was a maybe a minute longer because Michael's and Stevie's adlibs sound like they were about to GO IN The last minute or 2 of that song is the highlight!

I already made my fantasy tracklisting for a Bad 25th anniversary edition if you guys wanna see it

I don't like Just Good Friends. Pure filler track to me.

Post that Bad list again brotha!

The unreleased tracks?

Groove Of Midnight

Strawberry Fields Forever

Hot Fever

Tomboy

What You Do To Me

Someone Put Your Hand Out

Buffalo Bill

Cheater

Michael McKeller

Streetwalker

Make Or Break

Throwin' Your Life Away

Fly Away

The Price Of Fame

Chicago 1945

Crack Kills

Apacolyspe Now

Make A Wish

or did you wanna see my tracklisting? i'm confused

BAD 25: I'd just be happy with a disc 2 of all the unreleased demos and outtakes left untouched. I don't want anybody touching those, even Quincy Jones.

I'd also like a dvd of the BAD Tour. Maybe as an extra provide insight from Quincy on the process of making the album on that dvd. Other than that, that's good enough IMO.