ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm thinking Dangerous may have been rushed. Parts of it sounded like it wasn't ready on Michaeltime.

Michaeltime = "It ain't good until I say it is... fuck you."

Why you think it sound rushed? I think it came out great...

Michael probably didn't think it came out great...

Timmy84 said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Why you think it sound rushed? I think it came out great...

Michael probably didn't think it came out great...

Evidence, please?

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Timmy84 said:

Michael probably didn't think it came out great...

Evidence, please?

Didn't Michael say he was a perfectionist or did he not?

Swa said:

mjscarousal said:

I LOVE this song... I use to play this non stop ALL the time.

Without doubt one of the best demos that was officially released - so dark and brooding. Be good to see where he would have taken it and how he would have fleshed out the lyrics - considering all that was going on with his family at the time... lol.

Yea I know lol I think it could have been a official song.. the only thing I thought was cheesy was ALL that damn monkey noise LOL

im not sure if any of you have seen this or not, here is footage of michael rehearsing WBSS from the bad tour. enjoy!

Timmy84 said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Evidence, please?

Didn't Michael say he was a perfectionist or did he not?

Perfectionists are never satisfied LOL. As the Joe Vogal book states (and most of us already knew), Teddy was not first on board the project. He came in late. Album should of really come out late 1990, early 1991 to take full advantage of the new jack swing sound. But the rnb songs still did well pop chart wise in the US, with the exception of "jam". Also no "give in to me" single in the US and instead "who is it?". In hindsight a mistake maybe?

Iam sure BBboy87 will know when Teddy actually joined the project, but Iam guessing latter half of 1990?

He ditched the tracks produced with Bryan Loren and whatever he did with La Reid and Babyface. That must of crushed their ego LOL, they were HUGE back in 1990, though of course Mike would work with Babyface again for "HIStory" (and fail again as "why" was given to 3T and "one the line" only made it out on limited release and in the film "get on the bus"), but it proves Mike had the opputunity to take his time, and he damn well did LOL.

Another album I feel that came out waaay too late (as opposed to a little bit in the case of "dangerous") was Bobby Browns 1992 album, but thats for another thread LOL.

Derek1984 said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Anybody here wishes there was full audio of these kinda songs? I mean I know they were done for the Jackson's Variety shows and stuff...but man what I wouldn't give to have Michael singing Irving Berlin or George/Ira Gershwin. His voice in it is just so smooth...and his dancing's always divine.

Yes, agree. In fact, I have put some of those Variety show performances from YouTube on mp3. Of course, sound quality is crappy. I think the version of Blues Away is better on the Variety show than album. Sounds more jazzy.

Yes. I'd love to hear full versions. I absolutely love these old clips of the Variety show. I remember my whole family gathering to watch these shows. I love them, but they do bring a tear to my eye.

kellistarr120 said:

Derek1984 said:

Yes, agree. In fact, I have put some of those Variety show performances from YouTube on mp3. Of course, sound quality is crappy. I think the version of Blues Away is better on the Variety show than album. Sounds more jazzy.

Yes. I'd love to hear full versions. I absolutely love these old clips of the Variety show. I remember my whole family gathering to watch these shows. I love them, but they do bring a tear to my eye.

Personally Iam with Mike on this one, and I don't like them. Mike wrote (or ghost wrote LOL), he didn't like doing them. I can see why. As it's all on a tight schedule, the dancing seems rushed and generally very cheesy. It's an interesting part of his career, but I hate those sort of shows in general and the Jacksons are no different. At least onyl 2 seasons of them were made. I would of hated it if they kept going like Donnie and Marie or something. That can kill careers...

thesexofit said:

Timmy84 said:

Didn't Michael say he was a perfectionist or did he not?

Perfectionists are never satisfied LOL. As the Joe Vogal book states (and most of us already knew), Teddy was not first on board the project. He came in late. Album should of really come out late 1990, early 1991 to take full advantage of the new jack swing sound. But the rnb songs still did well pop chart wise in the US, with the exception of "jam". Also no "give in to me" single in the US and instead "who is it?". In hindsight a mistake maybe?

Iam sure BBboy87 will know when Teddy actually joined the project, but Iam guessing latter half of 1990?

He ditched the tracks produced with Bryan Loren and whatever he did with La Reid and Babyface. That must of crushed their ego LOL, they were HUGE back in 1990, though of course Mike would work with Babyface again for "HIStory" (and fail again as "why" was given to 3T and "one the line" only made it out on limited release and in the film "get on the bus"), but it proves Mike had the opputunity to take his time, and he damn well did LOL.

Another album I feel that came out waaay too late (as opposed to a little bit in the case of "dangerous") was Bobby Browns 1992 album, but thats for another thread LOL.

Of all albums that were rushed, Dangerous was not one of them

Like people who worked with him said, the minute he was done with Bad, he was already tinkering with songs for Decade or Dangerous. He initially started in early '88 but the ball really didn't get rolling until early '89.

From 1988-1989 and even early '90, he worked with LaFace, Bryan Loren, John Barnes and a couple of others working on songs here and there. He then got Teddy on board (who originally was supposed to work on Bad) in early to mid '90 and reworked songs he had already done (Black Or White, Who Is It, Dangerous, In The Closet, Heal The World) and really got down to business

The LaFace thing is kinda funny. They were in Atlanta, working with Jermaine who had moved from LA to Atlanta to work with them. They get a call from Michael and just like that, up and left That's pretty much what sparked "Word To The Badd" and even after they went to California, worked on several songs (I think Slave To The Rhythm was from the Dangerous sessions or HIStory sessions), NONE of the material made the cut I heard they were really disappointed

Monkey Business was supposed to be the lead single but after the album was re-arranged and reworked songs, MB was scrapped and Black Or White became the lead single

So Dangerous was shaped from 1988-early 1991 whereas Off The Wall took about 8 months, Thriller about 8 months, Bad 2 years and Dangerous 2 and a half

thesexofit said:

kellistarr120 said:

Yes. I'd love to hear full versions. I absolutely love these old clips of the Variety show. I remember my whole family gathering to watch these shows. I love them, but they do bring a tear to my eye.

Personally Iam with Mike on this one, and I don't like them. Mike wrote (or ghost wrote LOL), he didn't like doing them. I can see why. As it's all on a tight schedule, the dancing seems rushed and generally very cheesy. It's an interesting part of his career, but I hate those sort of shows in general and the Jacksons are no different. At least onyl 2 seasons of them were made. I would of hated it if they kept going like Donnie and Marie or something. That can kill careers...

It almost did. They were doing well with the release The Jacksons but with with the exposure from the show, Goin' Places failed. They almost got dropped from Epic (In truth, the label really wanted just Michael although it seems they were also interested in Randy as a solo artist too)

^ Hmm, well I still think it's his best album so whatever lol

Timmy84 said:

^ Hmm, well I still think it's his best album so whatever lol

It is his best (although I tend to lean to Bad or Off The Wall on certain days)

I think the freedom of not having Quincy helped him

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Hmm, well I still think it's his best album so whatever lol

It is his best (although I tend to lean to Bad or Off The Wall on certain days)

I think the freedom of not having Quincy helped him

I can only imagine the arguments those two must've had between Thriller and Bad...

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

Perfectionists are never satisfied LOL. As the Joe Vogal book states (and most of us already knew), Teddy was not first on board the project. He came in late. Album should of really come out late 1990, early 1991 to take full advantage of the new jack swing sound. But the rnb songs still did well pop chart wise in the US, with the exception of "jam". Also no "give in to me" single in the US and instead "who is it?". In hindsight a mistake maybe?

Iam sure BBboy87 will know when Teddy actually joined the project, but Iam guessing latter half of 1990?

He ditched the tracks produced with Bryan Loren and whatever he did with La Reid and Babyface. That must of crushed their ego LOL, they were HUGE back in 1990, though of course Mike would work with Babyface again for "HIStory" (and fail again as "why" was given to 3T and "one the line" only made it out on limited release and in the film "get on the bus"), but it proves Mike had the opputunity to take his time, and he damn well did LOL.

Another album I feel that came out waaay too late (as opposed to a little bit in the case of "dangerous") was Bobby Browns 1992 album, but thats for another thread LOL.

Of all albums that were rushed, Dangerous was not one of them

Like people who worked with him said, the minute he was done with Bad, he was already tinkering with songs for Decade or Dangerous. He initially started in early '88 but the ball really didn't get rolling until early '89.

From 1988-1989 and even early '90, he worked with LaFace, Bryan Loren, John Barnes and a couple of others working on songs here and there. He then got Teddy on board (who originally was supposed to work on Bad) in early to mid '90 and reworked songs he had already done (Black Or White, Who Is It, Dangerous, In The Closet, Heal The World) and really got down to business

The LaFace thing is kinda funny. They were in Atlanta, working with Jermaine who had moved from LA to Atlanta to work with them. They get a call from Michael and just like that, up and left That's pretty much what sparked "Word To The Badd" and even after they went to California, worked on several songs (I think Slave To The Rhythm was from the Dangerous sessions or HIStory sessions), NONE of the material made the cut I heard they were really disappointed

Monkey Business was supposed to be the lead single but after the album was re-arranged and reworked songs, MB was scrapped and Black Or White became the lead single

So Dangerous was shaped from 1988-early 1991 whereas Off The Wall took about 8 months, Thriller about 8 months, Bad 2 years and Dangerous 2 and a half

Yeah I read in Jermaines book about "word to the badd", he said something like "they made him do it" or some bullshit. Just admit it Jermaine. Iam sure La and Babyface egged him to do it though, considering the tracks they just did with Michael didn't go down too well.

I would like to hear more tracks with John Barnes. He is a lyricist primarily and is very poppy, but thats what would make the collabs interesting. I love Michaels pop side too and like some other stuff Barnes has done.

U read about David Foster and MJ? Nothing groundbreaking, but just that Mike would do a vocal 10 plus times despite David telling him it was fine the first time LOL. He said it reminded him of Striesand, who would also keep trying over and over again.

So yeah a perfectionist to a tee! Particually true if Foster said it, as he is known for being tough on his acts, yet despite him saying a certain take was fine, Mike would keep going back to do it again LOL.

And shame "lisa, its your birthday" never made "dangerous" LOL. It sure would place that album even more into the early 90's if that was included as a hidden track like it was rumoured to.

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

Of all albums that were rushed, Dangerous was not one of them

Like people who worked with him said, the minute he was done with Bad, he was already tinkering with songs for Decade or Dangerous. He initially started in early '88 but the ball really didn't get rolling until early '89.

From 1988-1989 and even early '90, he worked with LaFace, Bryan Loren, John Barnes and a couple of others working on songs here and there. He then got Teddy on board (who originally was supposed to work on Bad) in early to mid '90 and reworked songs he had already done (Black Or White, Who Is It, Dangerous, In The Closet, Heal The World) and really got down to business

The LaFace thing is kinda funny. They were in Atlanta, working with Jermaine who had moved from LA to Atlanta to work with them. They get a call from Michael and just like that, up and left That's pretty much what sparked "Word To The Badd" and even after they went to California, worked on several songs (I think Slave To The Rhythm was from the Dangerous sessions or HIStory sessions), NONE of the material made the cut I heard they were really disappointed

Monkey Business was supposed to be the lead single but after the album was re-arranged and reworked songs, MB was scrapped and Black Or White became the lead single

So Dangerous was shaped from 1988-early 1991 whereas Off The Wall took about 8 months, Thriller about 8 months, Bad 2 years and Dangerous 2 and a half

Yeah I read in Jermaines book about "word to the badd", he said something like "they made him do it" or some bullshit. Just admit it Jermaine. Iam sure La and Babyface egged him to do it though, considering the tracks they just did with Michael didn't go down too well.

I would like to hear more tracks with John Barnes. He is a lyricist primarily and is very poppy, but thats what would make the collabs interesting. I love Michaels pop side too and like some other stuff Barnes has done.

U read about David Foster and MJ? Nothing groundbreaking, but just that Mike would do a vocal 10 plus times despite David telling him it was fine the first time LOL. He said it reminded him of Striesand, who would also keep trying over and over again.

So yeah a perfectionist to a tee! Particually true if Foster said it, as he is known for being tough on his acts, yet despite him saying a certain take was fine, Mike would keep going back to do it again LOL.

And shame "lisa, its your birthday" never made "dangerous" LOL. It sure would place that album even more into the early 90's if that was included as a hidden track like it was rumoured to.

It makes you wonder what would've happened had the 1993 crap never happened.

Lisa It's Your Birthday is HEAVEN. The multilayed vocals in the chorus

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

And shame "lisa, its your birthday" never made "dangerous" LOL. It sure would place that album even more into the early 90's if that was included as a hidden track like it was rumoured to.

It makes you wonder what would've happened had the 1993 crap never happened.

Lisa It's Your Birthday is HEAVEN. The multilayed vocals in the chorus

It was supposed to be included as a bonus? Oh that would've been HORRID!

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

It makes you wonder what would've happened had the 1993 crap never happened.

Lisa It's Your Birthday is HEAVEN. The multilayed vocals in the chorus

It was supposed to be included as a bonus? Oh that would've been HORRID!

It was never meant for Dangerous It was strictly for The Simpsons. Thinking about it, it should've been included on one of their soundtrack albums like the one Do The Bartman was on

It was supposed to be on the bonus disc of the 2001 special edition but we know what happened with that

Am I the only one who feels it's too short?

I LOVE Monkey Business and Happy Birthday Lisa, but including them on Dangerous would have given the album a time stamp years to come.

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

It was supposed to be included as a bonus? Oh that would've been HORRID!

It was never meant for Dangerous It was strictly for The Simpsons. Thinking about it, it should've been included on one of their soundtrack albums like the one Do The Bartman was on

It was supposed to be on the bonus disc of the 2001 special edition but we know what happened with that

Am I the only one who feels it's too short?

The only song I think was left out was Someone Put Your Hand Out but apparently that was recorded in 1992 but why couldn't they put that in the special edition? Someone Put Your Hand Out would've also been the perfect song to actually END the album. It needed a love ballad or two on it...

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Men In Black was originally going to be the lead single off Dangerous? And the estate MUST have that song. You know they are just sitting on it. When are they ever going to release it and why wasn't it included on TUC?

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

It was never meant for Dangerous It was strictly for The Simpsons. Thinking about it, it should've been included on one of their soundtrack albums like the one Do The Bartman was on

It was supposed to be on the bonus disc of the 2001 special edition but we know what happened with that

Am I the only one who feels it's too short?

The only song I think was left out was Someone Put Your Hand Out but apparently that was recorded in 1992 but why couldn't they put that in the special edition? Someone Put Your Hand Out would've also been the perfect song to actually END the album. It needed a love ballad or two on it...

Oh the SPECIAL EDITION version of Dangerous!

SPYHO would've fit perfectly on the Dangerous album and should've replaced "Keep The Faith"

Derek1984 said:

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Men In Black was originally going to be the lead single off Dangerous? And the estate MUST have that song. You know they are just sitting on it. When are they ever going to release it and why wasn't it included on TUC?

To my knowledge, I don't think the song was finished. I remember someone who worked with MJ during the Dangerous session mention that the record was just a "click" track. They heard it booming through the speakers but doesn't recall if the song was finished

ViintageJunkiie said:

Derek1984 said:

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Men In Black was originally going to be the lead single off Dangerous? And the estate MUST have that song. You know they are just sitting on it. When are they ever going to release it and why wasn't it included on TUC?

To my knowledge, I don't think the song was finished. I remember someone who worked with MJ during the Dangerous session mention that the record was just a "click" track. They heard it booming through the speakers but doesn't recall if the song was finished

Adrian Grant heard the song back in 1990 and said it reminded him of The Man. Going by what he said, sounds like it might have been somewhat finished. Men In Black is a registered song.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

The only song I think was left out was Someone Put Your Hand Out but apparently that was recorded in 1992 but why couldn't they put that in the special edition? Someone Put Your Hand Out would've also been the perfect song to actually END the album. It needed a love ballad or two on it...

Oh the SPECIAL EDITION version of Dangerous!

SPYHO would've fit perfectly on the Dangerous album and should've replaced "Keep The Faith"

Yeah, I agree. Though I dug KTF, I actually think it fit the style of "Bad" than "Dangerous".

Keep The Faith sounds perfectly fine after Will You Be There and fits the theme perfectly towards the end of the album. I love Can't Let Her Get Away and Heal The World with all my heart, but if one of them were replaced with Someone Put Your Hand Out, I would have loved that.

alphastreet said:

Keep The Faith sounds perfectly fine after Will You Be There and fits the theme perfectly towards the end of the album. I love Can't Let Her Get Away and Heal The World with all my heart, but if one of them were replaced with Someone Put Your Hand Out, I would have loved that.

Keep the Faith is just horrid. I always skip over that song

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Oh the SPECIAL EDITION version of Dangerous!

SPYHO would've fit perfectly on the Dangerous album and should've replaced "Keep The Faith"

Yeah, I agree. Though I dug KTF, I actually think it fit the style of "Bad" than "Dangerous".

I cant get into KTF. I always skip over it. It's so "cheesy" sometimes...

The only change I would've made to Dangerous would be taking out KTF and putting Planet Earth (Earth Song) in its place. Otherwise, it's a perfect album. She Drives Me Wild is a favorite of mine.

Nooooo it's so inspiring, like another Man In The Mirror.

Derek1984 said:

The only change I would've made to Dangerous would be taking out KTF and putting Planet Earth (Earth Song) in its place. Otherwise, it's a perfect album. She Drives Me Wild is a favorite of mine.

I'm glad Earth Song ended up on HIStory instead, it's more genuine too for that time period